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sara

Dear Robair I have never tried to rally anyone against you! And I don't want to see EMF gone, or have it for myself - what??! You've completely misjudged my motivations! And at the same time, I think maybe I can see why you see me in that way. I'm so sorry that you do. Look back at all my PMs from t...

sara

Dear Athena - WE Thank you for your clarity - you have said exactly what I would have tried to say. David, you do own AD60 an apology. She was not at all hostile to the moderators; simply asking for clarification. Remember when this happened over two years ago? You hurt someone deeply who had been a...

sara

Hi David No, I don't think or believe that at all. I think our actions create part of our reality, eg if you smile at people and are pleasant you will most often find that people smile back and are nice to you. I think that our thoughts create a good part of our inner reality - that our attitude is ...

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Oh, this is exactly why I left. I came back to visit because I heard about this thread. Justtruth, I never doubted your integrity for a moment, and agree with every word you say. Another Dimension - thank you for trying to bring some gentleness and a considered, thinking approach into this post. I t...

sara

Hi unbound

How about moving it, or part of it, to a new thread entitled "believing in Ramtha vs being pro-RSE"?

Sara

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Dear unbound When you write, "The Current student's forum is the most appropriate for those who wish to post from a pro-RSE stance, whether or not they are current students of RSE", you don't seem to have understood my attempt to separate "having a belief in a Ramtha" from "...

sara

Dear unbound Thank you for your reply. I don't want to post in the "current students" forum, as that would imply that I was a current student. If it were renamed to make it clear that it was for "current students and those who believe that there might be a Ramtha but believe that the ...

sara

David, you write, "When the "belief" in "Ramtha'" is coupled with the RSE doctrines, it in turn feeds an atrocious attitude and destructive behavior" - yes, of course it can and does. What about when the "belief" (your inverted commas) in "Ramtha" is...

sara

Forgot to say - that it's possible to believe in the existence of a "Ramtha", with all his more evolved and unevolved aspects (don't we all show different aspects of ourselves, finding the best in ourselves and showing the worst at times? eg the you that you can be for your child is not th...

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David AD posted, "Is it appropriate to say here that it's ok to still believe that Ramtha exists or existed? I think there are a number of folks who are sincerely done with jzland and still sincerely believe that at least at some time there was a Ramtha. I it's my personal opinion that people n...

sara

Hi David You say that whether "Ramtha" ever existed isn't the issue, but you make it the issue by slamming those who believe they are still in touch with "Ramtha" and the "true teachings". For the record, it's possible for people to believe that they had/have a relation...

sara

Just saw this yesterday! and it made me want to cry with sheer joy - her confidence in the face of prejudice, and the way in which the undeniable power and beauty of her voice shocked and stunned the judges and the whole audience. Thank you for posting it.

Sara

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"Do you regard my bad spelling and accidentally posting Tree's first name in my post as abuse?" No. Do you want me to quote a private conversation with you to clarify my reference? I won't say more than I did on a public board, unless you ask me to do so! To answer your questions - "n...

sara

"If our behavior remains abusive after leaving RSE, or any Cult for that matter...,
Have we really left?."

I could ask you that same question...

sara

David, are you aware that you are revealing a real name on this board? and that you are misspelling it? You say that JZR didn't know your name - this is someone you've known personally for a long time, and you don't know how to spell her name?

Sara

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I remember actually being told my my RSE friend that "red wine switches off the yellow brain so that you can take in new information more easily"! It didn't occur to me that I might be taking in a whole lot of crap - how open and trusting most of us were...

sara

Forgot to say - I don't know about JZ Knight. Part-unconscious, I'm sure.

sara

Hi David

Yes, I might well have been "played". I don't mind.

"Unconscious", I imagine.

Sara

sara

Ok, what else do I hear from the moderators - to be specific, from W's last e-mails to me; David, you're in a different place right now and are not afraid to admit that you are angry. In W's comments on this matter, I hear sincerity, patience, goodness of heart, lack of anger and the real desire to ...

sara

Dear AD I know that Tree's behaviour is not new - and I agree with you that there is a wider issue here than one person's behaviour; thank you for that reminder to everyone. I've also read all Whatcha's posts - I wrote how much I appreciated them - and also wrote in the same post that I could hear t...

sara

Dear EMF What the moderators and others have referred to as flaming, sarcasm or attacks in Tree's posts doesn't seem that bad to me. Yes, I can imagine that moderators and others could have received some angry, attacking posts in the past; Tree has explained that to me and I understand the explanati...

sara

On reflection, it was Kate W who was amazing, rather than the film overall - as far as I remember, it did give a fairly superficial view of most of the issues - maybe she made it more powerful than it would otherwise have been. It would be interesting to see it again now. I'm talking right now with ...

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I remember this - it was amazing, and I thought Kate Winslet was great in it. But I remember the exit counselor turns the tables back on her when he reminds her, in the middle of her complete domination of him, of the words "be kind" - and she realises, if I remember correctly, that this i...

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What an 180 degree turn! I remember reading in one of the earlier books - I'd have to look through them to find which, and don't want to do that - a question, I think, that someone put to "Ramtha" about relationships with people who aren't into the teachings or even any kind of spiritualit...

sara

Hi David A close friend of mine got over a kidney infection that had got pretty bad, without antibiotics, using colloidal silver and also having kinesiology (a new kind, not the original AK) every few hours from her partner. So I don't know how much the colloidal silver would have helped without the...

sara

Whatcha EVEN IF those who died in the tsunami did "choose" or "agree to" it - that is so different from saying that they deserved it because they were too stupid/unaware to see it coming. I've never heard that view anywhere else than from RSE! According to the view that they &quo...

sara

California, the equivalent of "left click" (or is it right click - not the usual one but the other one) on a mac is to hold down ctrl and click - you might have found that out already...

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Yes, Another - this is exactly what would have convinced me to go nowhere near RSE!

sara

When something tangible and undeniable happens through contact with the teachings, it hooks you in...

like the coin in California Dreamin's hand...

sara

When something tangible and undeniable happens through contact with the teachings, it hooks you in... one weekend staying with my RSE friend, we had nothing to eat but what was left in her kitchen cupboards - she was selling her house, so was running down the food in the house. At that time I had al...

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"I left my career, my home and my dream of having children as I came to understand that I was to "give birth to myself" in this lifetime as I supposedly must have had many children in previous lifetimes" Dear Ordinary Mind I want to respond to these words you wrote way back in th...

sara

Joe - thank you for all your posts on this board. Good review of "The Courage to Heal", which I read a long time ago! Yes, that's why feelings and emotions need to be balanced with the ability to think about them - and to feel them without doing anything with them. And that's why the check...

sara

EVERY discipline - that's going some! Sounds like "the best yet" - don't you dare miss it

sara

I meant, "a teacher whom one perceived as good", not "you" personally, Whatcha!

Sara

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I was re-reading one of your posts last night, Whatcha, about your Xmas present to yourself of a Christmas with Ramtha, your disappointment and disgust, and your tears all the way home; and it reminded me - I'm not assuming this was your experience, it just reminded me - that I'd been listening to a...

sara

I posted this under "future of RSE" in the "general chit-chat and social forum", as it was a reply to other posts, but I'm re-posting it here so that it will be easier to find - I hope that's ok, moderators? "If I had met anyone back then, when I was getting into JZR's teach...

sara

If I had met anyone back then, when I was getting into JZR's teachings, who could have told me even a little of what I've learned from this site, I would NEVER have gone any further into it. That input could be hugely important, especially as there seems to be so much that you don't hear about until...

sara

Hi California (one of my favourite places - in all its variety!) You are right - and I would never have got into RSE if I'd known about the end-times teaching, the UGs and stockpiling - to say again what many others have said here, whatever happened to the idea that whatever happens around you, it n...

sara

I was a newer student (New Year 2003) and definitely took a milder approach - along the lines of "I can take some of this and let go of the rest; I can't do all these events so I'll find my own way with these teachings..." I found that it just wasn't practical to stay current, so let go of...

sara

Over here in Europe, talking with my RSE student friend and listening to hours and days of videos/dvds, but all from about 2000 on, I never heard ANYTHING about TDTC! It would have been a huge red flag. I got some of that bee pollen "Star Stuff" in 2003, because it just seemed a good idea ...

sara

no, it wasn't blue! haven't found an answer to that one, but I actually grew up in the mountains and know how unpredictable the weather can be...

sara

Yes, there is magic and beauty in words, and the way in which they are said - and in the way we understand them. I wonder, can we keep the magic we heard in some of JZR's words and separate them from RSE? After all, we heard them from our backgrounds, our understanding, our desires for something bey...

sara

Wise words, G2G. Dance the wind, someone is caring enough to ask you to get help. Do it now! What were you feeling when you posted those words to David? You may not be able to get to it on your own.

Sara

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Dear Christel - if you read this - Voidgate, Sad... I am so sorry to hear of all the losses you have had and seen - and especially the loss of innocence that Free Now put into words. I had no idea... when I came across the teachings in 2003, I had no idea of any of this. I would never have gone near...

sara

Yes, I agree with Another - the 180 degree shift was stunning - as soon as you made a clear request/upheld a boundary/were not in total agreement.

sara

I think this is the best thread to post this in - none of the red flags I can see now were red flags at the time! They were just things I saw and thought, that made me decide that going further into RSE wasn't for me. None of them were exactly red flags! I never had the thought that RSE was an abusi...

sara

Did anyone else here attend the beginners' retreat in Italy in 2003? There was an ice storm in the middle of a hot, sunny afternoon - it had been so hot and clear all week that you couldn't stand in the breakfast queue without sunglasses. When the storm hit, one of the teachers said that "Ramth...

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Tree - couldn't find your story but would like to - do you remember in which month you wrote it? Questioning and finding alternative explanations is coming thick and fast, it's been just a month or so... Whatcha - thank you for the clarification - how sad that "divine love" was what hooked...

sara

Dear David

I'm sorry you received the posts you share above from AM. Keep up the good work; you are reaching people and I appreciate your honesty.

Sara

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Now, prema yoga would be closer to what the earlier teachings were about. Whatcha - I've googled prema yoga and can only find is as names people have given to their businesses - haven't found a definition. Can you tell me more? I'm trying to understand more about what it was in the early teachings t...

sara

In reply to your post above, Tree, wanting to push them off the deck sounds like a healthy feeling! I know the place of doing so much for someone, or something you believe in, then looking back and thinking, how could I have done all that? did you also think that that was just what you do when someo...

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"It could literally probably take a book to describe all that I learned through my experience with jz and her ram act, there are valued and treasured Gifts that still serve me -- And I am simultaneously still baffled as to how I was so duped; still resistant to acknowledging that I was brainwas...

sara

Just keep questioning, Sara, as Tree said. In the end, I've found, the only Truth to me is love - the highest power.

Thank you for your beautiful words - I completely agree!

sara

...and why do some moments of some of these damn videoclips still touch and move me???

sara

Hi Tree Thank you for your reply I don't think I'm going to have any contact with my RSE friend unless I contact her - I felt like calling her recently, since coming across EMF, just to find out if she's still a student. She just got too busy and was spending too much time in Yelm to keep in touch w...

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Dear Free Now

Thank you - just found this post again and you've put into words what I've learned - a big part of it at least!

Warm wishes for the New Year, Sara

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I forgot to say, that somehow I missed the follow-up in 2003, I don't know quite how, so would have had to start again and do a beginners' retreat to get current, and that seemed another obstacle too many to get current - I guess I just didn't want it enough, or thought I didn't have to keep going t...

sara

My first "red flag" was the requirement to attend so many events per year to stay current. I thought then that this would make sure that the students were "up to speed". At the same time, it also sounded like a good way to make money! I never actually did the sums. If I had reall...

sara

Maybe it wasn't 4 hours - only 3? Anyone who was there will correct me. We didn't have chairs in the hall - but there was plenty of space!

sara

In fact we did have at least one evening teaching session that went on far into the night - maybe the last few nights? I just walked out of one after about 4 hours because I'd started to hear things in the teaching - it was a DVD - that sounded like personal bias, not God-like or even master-like - ...

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Yes, G2G, it was a whole different story in Italy, and I knew that - we actually had beds, and time to sleep in them (though two of us slept out on the hillside a couple of nights - it was beautiful!). I remember hearing all the stories about Yelm, from my friend and others, and actually being seduc...

sara

Dear G2G

I don't know for sure - I don't remember her saying that she had. For some reason, I think that she did - but she certainly said that he wasn't helping himself.

Sara

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Dear EMF Just been reading more posts from the old board, and I also "want to go home!" Only 5 years considering myself a student, not current, following the teachings without being current and never going to Yelm - and I still feel I've lost something - don't know who or where I am at tim...

sara

Tree, you were saying that the way my RSE friend thought she knew more than her partner was a subtle red flag - that and the way she spoke to her other friend - well, I didn't know her partner well but found him to be a very gentle man - he was ill had a lot of pain in his back, and her take on that...

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"even though she had thought that she knew more than he did" " MAJOR, MAJOR subtle red flag! ding! ding! ding! That, and the way she flatly treated her other friend. Sure, her family may have seen some calming effects of the group, but they do not want to recognize this narcissistic a...

sara

As another example, I knew a couple who had their house flooded up to the 5 foot mark in their house in McKenna. They were told by every student that they encountered that "this was a blessing in disguise." I will never forget the words of a fellow RSE student who happened to be a psycholo...

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Thank you, Wake-up, Tree and Another Dimension for your replies, and thank you, Tree, for your understanding - interestingly, it was a therapist who said to me, when I was leaving my partner and her kids, "You have a deep bond with the children" and who recognised that. I loved the power I...

sara

Dear EMF This is my first post; I've been reading all the posts for two weeks now and want to say thank you to all of you - Tree, Whatcha, David and all the others - I have learned from and appreciated your openness and honesty, your willingness to put so much time into sharing your experiences, rep...

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I forgot to say, when talking about the woman who taught me psychic healing and would say, "This is true for me; it's for you to decide whether or not it's true for you" - what a contrast with the way my RSE friend would tell me things as though they were absolute truth! I can see that so ...

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Dear EMF This is my first post; I've been reading all the posts for two weeks now and want to say thank you to all of you - Tree, Whatcha, David and all the others - I have learned from and appreciated your openness and honesty, your willingness to put so much time into sharing your experiences, rep...

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