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I just watched this interesting video on alcohol "Do I Drink Too Much?" Video (has Chinese ad at the beginning): http://www.viewzu.com/health/do_i_drink_too_much.html "Alcohol is by far the most widely used drug – and a dangerous one at that. So why are so many of us drinking over the...

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Quote: In the book “The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success,” Kevin Dutton explains that there are jobs that can attract literal psychopaths – and also jobs that are least likely to do so. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-1...

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This reminds me of JZCult and others. Scary! http://www.lermanet.com/deprogramming/five-steps-to-create-a-cult.htm . (DEAD LINK) Exposing the con Quote: People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. ...

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Hi everyone

I keep in touch with Sad Grandfather.

I'll pass your message to him.

Regards

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Psychopathy and fMRI Lie Detection 17 September 2012 Truth is an essential part of the legal system. Currently, anyone testifying is sworn to tell “the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”, as lies during testimony could have drastic effects on the outcome of a case. In the past, polygraphs have ...

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Hi Cheryl, thanks and I was aware of the separate fields. However, the photos show both children (not the baby ones) and adults in the same field. I was surprised to see that.
Perhaps it depends on the number of students. If the student body is small, they use the same field as in the photos.

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Moderators, the "edit" function still does not work.

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Cheryl, thank you for posting about your experience with the RSE children. I've been out of RSE for a few years and found the photos disturbing. Child endangerment comes to mind. Quote "Child endangerment occurs when an adult caregiver places a child in a dangerous or inappropriate situation. W...

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English speaking Ramsters are leaving RSE in droves so RSE targets China now, the most populous country in the world. However, stupid Ramtha cannot even speak Chinese so two weeks ago, RSE put Chinese subtitles in its videos online. http://www.youtube.com/user/RSEWebTeam?feature=watch Using google t...

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Random words from iOvilus (only $1.99):

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Lie

Check out the wise reviews:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iovilus/id334264405

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Dec 14, 2012 RSE Newsletter, Student Accomplishments “This story is not from the November/December Follow-up, rather this occurred in mid-November during the missile attacks on Israel. We’re used to missile attacks here, unfortunately, but this time, the missiles came nearer and nearer, showering ov...

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Jan 9, 2013 The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational by George Dvorsky

http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common- ... g-rational

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With the cameras in hot pursuit, Derren faces his toughest project yet, going in search of an unsuspecting member of the British public prepared to adopt the guise of a pastor and miracle worker. His chosen one then has six months to learn the trade and flourish across the pond as a convincing pasto...

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RSE has been placing full-page newspaper ads in the NVN & The Olympian about their recent Lotto winners. JZ Rose also sells Lotto. http://www.ramtha.com/Docs/Lottery_Winners_NVNad.jpg Lucky Days for The Enlightened Six Students Attribute Five-figure lottery winnings to Ramtha School Lessons YELM...

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As a critical thinker looking at those pictures, I would say "who in their right mind walk around blindfolded with a baby strapped to their back or front?". It's a safety issue. Blindfolded kids and adults in the same field? The pictures look better now due to the reduction in students i.e...

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Moderators, I tried to delete my other post and repost in this section. I found out that I couldn't delete other post. When I reposted here, two of the links are not the correct ones but I'm unable to edit. Is this reflective of EMF forum or just my computer? Can you please change the first link to:...

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JZ is running out of plagiarized teachings. She is recommending paranormal phone apps i.e. iOvilus and Ghost radar apps. These apps are sold for entertainment purposes. iOvilus: RSE Newsletter, Jan 24, 2013 "I was introduced to the iOvilus program in September 2012. I was so fascinated that I s...

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Another contradiction in RSE as it recommended Prozac around 1996 and onwards. Now, RSE has stopped promoting Prozac and in Feb 2012, fake Dr Greg warned about the negative effects of antidepressants e.g. SSRIs such as Prozac. :shock: I tried to interview Ramtha about the Prozac discrepancy but he w...

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Some more photos of kids and adults in the same field during Fieldwork:

March 2012: http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/lTZ ... =153084103

Oct 2012: http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/1f2 ... =171153026

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Possible safety issues. (1) March 2012 Fieldwork http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/lTZgNUdw/1/5517109_6261700#imageID=153084122 (2) March 2012 http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/lTZgNUdw/1/5517109_6261700#imageID=153084095 (3) March 2012 http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/lTZgNUdw/1/5517109_6261...

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Cheryl, is this the article? Part 2: Ramtha the Enlightened One? by John Crutcher Common Ground August 1995. In 1982, a psychologist named Dr. Jamei Manganiello attended a Ramtha seminar. Ramtha singled out Manganiello during a session, and told him that he had been a student and follower in a past ...

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New series and Scientology is the first episode. Investigation Discovery's DANGEROUS PERSUASIONS Tells Terrifyingly True Tales Of People Who Fell Prey To Psychological Manipulation - All-New Series Premieres Wednesday, January 16 at 10 PM E/P - PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1yiFc) Investigation Discovery...

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Another discrepancy in the VHS Video in 1984 at Honolulu, Hawaii, Interview with JZ by Les Sinclair. In the interview with Les, Ramtha appeared to JZ in Feb 1978 (not 1977) and she was definitely "married" to the dentist. JZ mentioned that her dentist husband also saw Ramtha and he appeare...

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Ice Cream Hysteria

http://www.jewishhumorcentral.com/2010/ ... cream.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 42,00.html

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Excellent coverage of Scientology in Australia & USA by reporter Quentin McDermott, Four Corners (Investigative Journalism), ABC First Broadcast March 8, 2010. About 44 minutes. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100308/scientology/ Program transcript: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/co...

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Missing Persons and Abductions Reveal Psychics' Failures By Benjamin Radford | Fri Mar 5, 2010 Discovery News Several high-profile former missing persons have been in the news lately, including Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Dugard. Earlier this week, Elizabeth Smart?s abductor, Brian David Mitchell, wa...

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As mentioned above, Greg Simmons recommends his friend, Robert Kiyosaki from the Burklyn Business School. Here?s an interesting video of the sales tactics used and Kiyosaki?s comments. Marketplace - Canada?s Investigative Consumer Show Jan 29, 2010. Quote: Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling finance autho...

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Hello Hidesert Thank you for the recommendation. Sounds like a great book. Here?s some related info (video & article) about memes from a previous post that you may be interested in: http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=930 Cult researchers have shown that int...

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This university student is offering $100 if you can guess the number in his sealed envelope. Psychics? skills rely on lucky guesses, probability BY: BARRY BELMONT The Nevada Sagebrush (student-run weekly newspaper for the University of Nevada, Reno) Tuesday, March 2, 2010 At the beginning of every y...

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Dr Susan Blackmore has a PhD in parapsychology but she no longer works on the paranormal. She has become a skeptic. http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Articles/whoami.htm 2008 World Question Center Susan Blackmore Psychologist and Skeptic; Author, Consciousness: An Introduction ?What Have You Changed Y...

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Exclusive: James Ray breaks silence after AZ jail release

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/north ... W9fdw.cspx

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James Ray?s high profile court case can be viewed at the Yavapai County Superior Court?s website: http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docsyav/Default.aspx James Ray released on bail Verde Independent, 2/26/2010 By Jon Hutchinson Staff Reporter CAMP VERDE -- James Ray's motion to reduce his bail amount h...

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Hello, check out this picture of JZ. Quote: JZ is sharing a piece of her mind made manifest! http://www.ramtha.com/email/02-10-10_Give/online.html JZ Rose seems to have a lot of DEAD stock? or is closing down soon. POOF! Here is an opportunity for entrepreneurial students to resell on eBay ? previou...

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Hello there

JZ did bleep all except to transfer our money (any currency, not fussy) into her deep designer pockets.

That's her manifestation!

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Sweat Lodge Prosecutor Seeks Gag Order in James Ray Manslaughter Case By James King in Death Lodge Mon., Feb. 8, 2010 The prosecutor in the James Ray sweat lodge fiasco has asked a Yavapai County Superior Court judge to issue a gag order for those involved with the case. The move is probably to prev...

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Prof Richard Wiseman?s Top 10 Quirky Science Tricks For Parties (3.22 mins) http://www.youtube.com/user/Quirkology#p/a/u/0/i_f3SkxTWxc Afternoon Tea With Richard Wiseman (0.32 mins) http://www.youtube.com/user/Quirkology#p/a/u/2/obG6XVreXZg James Randi: Scientists Fooled by a Match Box Trick (3.59 m...

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February 3, 2010, 7:09 pm Questions for Baptists, Praise for Scientologists in Haiti By ROBERT MACKEY An excerpt: On Wednesday, as a Haitian judge continued to question 10 Americans whose faith-based mission to Haiti has landed them in legal trouble, the work of volunteer ministers from the Church o...

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Psychologist Dr John Marsden presents the following: (1) Excerpts from the BBC documentary ?Exposed ? Persuaders? On cult recruiting techniques http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61eOUH_9b28 On peer pressure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-IabBC_epI On subliminal manipulation http://www.youtube.com/wat...

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Greg Simmons & Co from Burklyn Business School Werner Erhard?s est training (Erhard Seminars Training) may have influenced the Burklyn Business School, RSE and other popular seminars. The Burklyn Business School founded in 1978 seems to have been sold and renamed ?Excellerated Business Schools/M...

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Magic and the Brain: Teller Reveals the Neuroscience of Illusion By Jonah Lehrer, 04.20.09 Interesting article with 3 excellent videos i.e. Penn & Teller?s Sleight of Hand and Cups & Ball Trick, and Richard Wiseman?s Colour Changing Card Trick. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazi...

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Penn and Teller: Placebo Effect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzjoKhBk ... re=related

Penn & Teller could be ?Guest Speakers? at RSE.

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Hello everyone Free, thank you so much for sharing and warning others about Robert Jones and JZ/Ramtha. It?s wonderful that you have managed to leave and start over. Your courage and strength are admirable, and offer HOPE to others in similar situations. I don?t know Robert but have noticed RSE mark...

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Warehouse Liquidation of JZ Rose:

http://www.ramtha.com/email/01-14-10_Give/online.html

Over 15,000 Items Available.

JZ Rose is probably disappearing, too.

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Cult Expert Steve Hassan Video Interview by Eric Scheibeler, Former Amway Insider. Relevant info for members of destructive groups. http://merchantsofdeception.com/mod/wordpress/cult-expert-steve-hassan-video-interview/ Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApMzIX46kw Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/...

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Hello Sad Grandfather The ?pesticide? already exists here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIE3lDkjwS8 The New York Times Sweat Lodge Deaths Not Criminal, Guru?s Lawyer Says Jan 13, 2010 Quote: The letters concede that Mr. Ray sought to encourage people through challenging exercises, including a ?vis...

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Seeking records... RSE?s Paid Advertisement in 2009: RETAIL TRADE CONTINUES TO FALL IN THURSTON COUNTY, Except in Yelm Where It Rose 4.69% in First Quarter of 2009 DESPITE CURRENT FINANCIAL MELTDOWN RSE Students inject $2,626,050 into the Local Economy in 2008 and more than $1.5 million in the First...

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Here is James Ray?s version of the tragedy (via his lawyers), posted on his blog on Jan 13, 2010. White Paper No. 1 & White Paper No. 2: http://blog.jamesray.com/2010/01/important-update-regarding-sedona.html His lawyers (JZ?s type): http://www.mto.com/ Copied from above: ?Character, judgment, i...

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JZ Rose Warehouse Giveaway Location: RSE, Yelm Date: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 (12 noon to 5 pm) Cost: $100 per band. No discounts. You may take up to 30 JZ Rose items free per band. Eligibility: Current students http://events.ramtha.com/events/2010/CurrentYelm.aspx#462 It?s not exactly ?free? but it?s abou...

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?Ramtha? in The Netherlands

http://www.ramtha-music.com/

Who is ?Ramtha??

http://www.ramtha-music.com/index.php?o ... 1&Itemid=2

Interesting choice of name! Judith will not be happy? Perhaps he is a student.

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Judith is up to her old tricks.

Advertising ?Ramtha? could be a marketing ploy to boost sales.

Plus JZ/Ramtha cannot demonstrate the teachings/disciplines.

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What search warrants were served in the Sedona Sweat Lodge tragedy? What were detectives looking for, and what did they find? Jan 3, 2010 http://www.prescottenews.com/news/current-news/sedona-sweat-lodge-tragedy-search-warrants-served.html James Ray?s Sedona sweat lodge stash: lessons in polypharmac...

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JZ appears to be helping the community... Drop in property values means lean 2010 for SE Thurston Fire and EMS By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News Published: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:11 AM PST Things are going to be tight for Southeast Thurston Fire and EMS during its 2010 fiscal year. Reven...

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Ray Garton wrote a horror novel called ?Dark Channel? (1992), possibly based on JZ/R!!! :shock: Robert N. Lee (Nov 30, 2009): ?Horror author Ray Garton based a whole novel around Knight, her cult, and her compound in Yelm, Washington.? Robert Lee compared JZ?s channeling of Ramtha to Sesame Street?s...

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Hi everyone

Happy holidays!

A FESTIVUS for the rest of US!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbfMmCf5-ds

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Ilchi Lee, founder of Dahn Yoga, has another mind-body training method called Brain Education System Training (BEST) (formerly known as Brain Respiration). Ilchi is the founder of the Korea Institute of Brain Science (KIBS) and claims his training method can help to develop paranormal abilities in c...

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RSE?s Frequently Asked Questions Why does Ramtha speak through JZ Knight? Quote: If we were to view him in his physical form, we would most likely deify him, as has happened to others who have attained godhood. Ramtha does not wish to be worshiped. His greatest message is that God is within and it i...

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Hi everyone Sad Grandfather, ?ramtha may look like pure logic? now in comparison but JZ/Ramtha was promoting all that Reptilian/Lizard people crap then. RSE was into Alex Collier, Val Valerian and other Reptilian promoters. Evidence as per previous posts above. However, Greg Simmons as the marketing...

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Hi Joe Thank you for that. Also many thanks to Kenneth and Talita Paolini. ?400 Years of Imaginary Friends? is an EXCELLENT book that was very well-researched. After reading the book, I could not believe in the existence of ?Ramtha? and similar messengers anymore. From the book, it is obvious that R...

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Hello Oil and Dove My husband & I sent our Christmas ?dreams? to RSE for the Christmas tree in 2008. We also attended ?Create Your Year Weekend Workshop 2009?. We focused and changed the timeline on behalf of non-Ramsters as NONE of Ramtha?s dire predictions for 2009 (or previous years) came tru...

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EMF post...Re: JZ Knight Humanities Foundation A Santa special JZ Knight Humanities Foundation was founded in 1995 and its financial records from 2002 to 2007 can be viewed at the National Center for Charitable Statistics. http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/PubApps/sh ... =911647430 (DEAD LINK) It was inc...

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Hi Ex Thanks for the info. http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/permitting/Hearings_Examiner/Decisions/2000/001030.dec.pdf It is interesting though that Robert Hoffman in representing the Children's School of Excellence in Nov 2000 should say ??the school has operated for about seven years without an incide...

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Hi Joe In 2002 & 2003, Miceal Ledwith, encouraged by ?Ramtha? promoted a ?nutritional? product called Star Stuff. I think he was a distributor of this Australian product. RSE recommended and sold Star Stuff to its students. This is one of several other possibly snake oil products JZ was/is selli...

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Special message from JZ Knight (Dec 14, 2009) http://ramtha.com/email/12-14-09_JZ/online.html Copied from above by JZ: ?I humbly ask you to consider giving to the Children?s School of Excellence this season. The little school needs your support to keep its doors open and its remarkable children lear...

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Hi Joe Thanks. Colm T?ib?n, an Irish novelist and critic knew M. Ledwith, and wrote an article called ?At St Peter?s? in London Review of Books, Dec 1, 2005. An excerpt: Dr Sherwood was evil. I made up a song about him with a vile chorus. Soon, he was replaced as dean of the seminary, although he st...

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Info wanted on Miceal Ledwith by Child AbuseWatch. I wonder if EMF can help. Child AbuseWatch is looking for information on the following individuals: Miceal Ledwith, former Catholic Priest and President of Maynooth University, Ireland now affiliated with JZ Knight? Ledwith is one of Knight's appoin...

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Hello Gazza Thanks for the info. Here is a similar story. From pages 53 & 54: J.Z. Knight grew up as Judy Hampton in Artesia, New Mexico. Her alcoholic father deserted the family, and she was raised by her fundamentalist Christian mother. Popular as a teenager, J.Z. was voted the prettiest girl ...

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Hello everyone Re: Finding one?s card on the fence blindfolded I think the above is overrated by JZ/R and anyone (possibly your pets as well) can do it ?without cheating?. The more cards one has on the fence and the more times one goes can increase the chances. Several years ago, I was at a mini eve...

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Watch out for these insiders - It is in their pecuniary interest to continue with the Ramtha fraud. On May 25, 2007, the governing persons of RSE International Inc were: President: Knight, J Z Vice President: Flick, James Vice President: Wright, John (Is most likely Mike Wright from several referenc...

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David Does Steven have incriminating evidence of Judith's deception that warrants payment for silence? :shock: I thought she can claim copyright to The White Book as she has added new matter. As posted previously, according to the US Copyright Office, he also has 4 other "Ramtha" copyright...

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Question from David: How come JZ Knight has claimed the copyright ? and gone ahead and published a nearly identical version while not even listing Steve Weinberg as the holder of the copyright? Answer: According to the U.S. Copyright Office, JZK?s basis of claim was: ?New Matter: additions?. The pre...

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Quote from Freemymind: Another question: does anyone know other current RSE students who are generally nice people, and active and respected participants in society? (please dont say Selma Hayek) People who, apart from "endearing" RSE quirks, are "normal" to outsiders? I have met...

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Freemymind, several months ago, I was thinking of attending an advanced RSE retreat that I had already bought airline tickets for. After months of intensive research, I decided that attending another retreat was detrimental, and I would just be deluding myself further. To understand this ?delusion?,...

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Hello all Whilst a student at RSE, my husband mentioned Roald Dahl?s Henry Sugar story to a friend who is a retired school teacher. Coincidentally, his friend is a fan of Roald Dahl. About 25 years ago, he taught 10 year old kids and read the Henry Sugar story in class. The kids loved the story, and...

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?Introducing Science of Scams ? Derren Brown?s next amazing project aimed at teaching Derren?s younger audience about scam science.? (That?s us? The excellent 7 videos cover PSI, Ghost, Brick breaking, Ouija board, Chi energy, Telekinesis and Psychic reading. RSE?s remarkable students may NOT be rem...

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The Washington Post When a child dies, faith is no defense Why do courts give believers a pass? By Jonathan Turley Sunday, November 15, 2009 Jonathan Turley is a professor of public interest law at George Washington University and a practicing criminal defense lawyer. http://www.washingtonpost.com/w...

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Quote from David: One explanation I was told was....that soon after the Texas Waco tragedy, the Federal government put out a notice to State governments and police officials to tread softly softly when dealing with religious Cults and its members, The Government were very worried another Waco incide...

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Freemymind, as a long-time student and having left recently, I have also asked the same questions. Prior to RSE, I already had some ESP experiences (or just coincidences) that I did not think much of. From the numerous ?achievements? of the disciplines at RSE events, it does ?appear? that many stude...

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David, I did a search and ?Scamtha? is still available. Cool! My non-dentist husband & I could start our own channeling business and call it ?Scamtha, the Enfrightened One?. Blue body dance could be marketed as a new type of disco dance. It goes well with the drinking, smoking, Prozac and white ...

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Hello Enlightenmypocket (great name!) Thank you for your excellent post which really captured the dilemma or grief of being involved with RSE. Quote: ?The school is very clever, and they give you just enough information to hang yourself for years trying to evaluate what the ?truth? is. Yes, I am sti...

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David and Lwo Regarding Yvonne Lebron, a current student and staff at CSE: http://www.mastersconnection.com/forum2/view_topic.php?id=1501 (DEAD LINK) Quote: "You should know The Masters' Fund donated $16,800 for her treatment & a couple of anonymous donors contributed money for her & he...

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I wonder why... What is Judith trying to buy or hide? P.S. She almost "forgot" to pay her previous years' property taxes. JZ still owes $38,104.29 (including interest and penalty) on her 2009 property tax. Info from Compassion in another post: Google: Thurston County Treasurer property sea...

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I was under the impression from JZ’s previous court case in Austria that JZ had registered the trademark ‘Ramtha’ as a spiritual entity that was exclusively channeled by her. I did a search in the US Patent and Trademark Office, and discovered that ‘Ramtha’ seems to be just a ‘brand name’. There is ...

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RSE does not appear to inform students of precautions with its C & E breathing technique but promotes it to everyone. The Holotropic Breathwork developed by Stanislov and Cristina Grof has a list of precautions. (Kylea Taylor is a certified Holotropic Breathwork Practitioner and was a senior tra...

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Scientology is a criminal organisation rife with beatings, abortion and fraud, claims Australian senator

By Richard Shears, 18th November 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... nator.html

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JZ?s donation may appear generous but that is only HALF of her minimum rate. She has been charging a minimum of $20,000 in the One on One with Imaginary Ramtha. She already has a bidder in the coming Follow-up auction that would more than cover her donation. http://www.rse-auctions.com/detail.asp?id...

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Book ‘A Culture of Conspiracy’ 2003 by Michael Barkun. Michael Barkun, Professor of Political Science at the Maxwell School, Syracuse University, is author of Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement (revised edition 1997) and Disaster and the Millennium (1986), ...

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Just wondering if anyone attended Alex Collier?s lecture at the ranch in Nov 16, 1996 or follow up lecture in June 7, 1997? Alex Collier claims to be a contactee with ETs from the constellation of Andromeda and also promotes the ?human-reptilian? conspiracy. JZK was a fan of his conspiracies. Here i...

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JZ on her ?friends? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thpaU5VRQ0E&feature=related Copied from above: danehenas ?Why did she spend so much of her precious time on this earth collecting all of that crap? Did Ramtha tell her to do it? BTW, how come Ramtha speaks English like the Romans in all those ol...

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As I Recall It, there is a book called "400 Years of Imaginary Friends" that Joe Szimhart recommended at the LARSE meeting. J.Zerox and her "peers" had many sources to zerox from. I posted about this book and the book review from Joe here: http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/ph...

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Quote from As I Recall It: "So if indeed he does meet students at the pearly gates then the mistake I obviously made was to die 'after' I left the school and not whilst I was at the school." Ramtha has also assured us that it does NOT matter whether we are current students or not. He has p...

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Interesting study on NDE/OBE. J.Zerox can copy from this study when the results are published and the "Ram" can give advanced teachings to BC students... ;-) Maybe Dr Sam Parnia needs to be informed about the 23rd universe! The Today Show on MSNBC did a short piece [indirectly] on the AWAR...

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Here is an excerpt of an excellent article from Seattle Post-Intelligencer by Neil Modie P-I Reporter, July 26, 1995. Knight is being advised by a Beverly Hills publicist for singer Michael Jackson and actress Linda Evans, a Ramtha student and close friend of Knight's. And she has opened the secrets...

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Ramtha?s history of human origin is summarized in this 2006 CD set: http://store.ramtha.com/Store/item/CD0601 Ramtha talks about the Gods of Eden 455,000 years ago. It seems that J.Zerox could have got the info from Zecharia Sitchin, and ?Ramtha? does reference his books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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Hi Ex I did a search in ?Washington courts? by typing Thurston Superior court, civil case, 1993 and Nunnery, Betty. http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0 This is what came up (Case from May 18, 1993 to April 1, 1996): http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index....

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As I Recall It, perhaps there was more $$$ for Greg in the Ramtha deception than Lazaris? Guidelines for Evaluating Channeling by Lazaris! :lol: 5. Consistency of an evolving message is a critical guideline. Over the years has the message communicated grown, changed, and evolved while maintaining co...

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Joe, sounds like ?V? could be a RSE recommended viewing for the ?facts?? :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series) When I was in RSE, JZ/R highly recommended students watch the miniseries ?Taken?. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_(mini_series) As I Recall It, thank you for the info. My hu...

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Hello everyone I was not in RSE in the early years but I was informed that RSE used to sell books by David Icke and Val Valerian (former student, author of Matrix series) that also promote the ?reptilian? conspiracy. Here are some articles that mention RSE?s teachings on ?reptilian/lizard people? in...

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Hi Joe

I hadn't realized the extent of JZ's manipulation on Jeff until after reading these old media reports.

Quote from Joe: Do not run a civil suit in America unless you have MEGA-financial backing.

Absolutely plus being mentally and physically healthy including that of the attorneys...

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From RSE: 1992-1993: The divorce case A great deal of controversy about the school swirls about in the media maelstrom that was part of the famous reopening of the divorce case between JZ Knight and her ex-husband, Jeffrey Knight, now deceased. (It has already been mentioned that all references to &...

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Hi Joe I am not sure if JZK ended up paying the $800,000 settlement. According to later news reports and RSE website, it appears that JZK did not have to pay the $800,000 (or $792,000). JZ appealed and in Sep 1994, the court reversed the decision on the $792,000 but upheld $150,000 (or $149,000) in ...

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A student sued JZ but I do not know what the verdict was. Spokane Woman Who Didn't Die Sues Channeler, May 21, 1993 A Spokane woman suing a self-described "spirit channeler" says she left her husband and job and depleted her retirement funds after being told she would die by 1990. Betty Nu...

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Quote from Arewethereyet: "it looks like jz's front teeth are dentures"

Also her false face and hair.

"Ramtha" has mentioned about the alterations to JZ's face and her wig.

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David, did she get your runner?

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Inventing Superstition: from the Hippocratics to the Christians (2004) by Dale Martin, Woolsey Professor of Religious Studies at Yale University. http://www.yale.edu/religiousstudies/facultypages/martin.html This looks like an interesting book. Has anyone read it? Preview of book: http://books.googl...

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Quote from RSE: Seven seals. ?The seven seals are powerful energy centers that constitute seven levels of consciousness in the human body. The bands are the way in which the physical body is held together according to these seals. In every human being there is energy spiraling out of the first three...

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An excellent three-part series on the cult experience from interviews with Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center, taken from The Post, Ohio University, Feb 2002. (1) Cult survivors speak http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/archives3/feb02/021302/n3.html Quote: ?Trust but verify? is the Russian proverb pos...

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According to this 1992 article, during the Knight v Knight case, JZ was asked if she ever ?channeled? Jesus and she said ?Yes?. Quote: J.Z. Knight of Yelm, who claims to be regularly in touch with a 35,000-year-old warrior named Ramtha, yesterday was asked by lawyers for her ex-husband, Jeff Knight,...

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By BOB CHRISTIE (The Associated Press) Oct 30, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4PHcSvMF8pPe_CpIRZejl7OD1vgD9BLNUF81 Quote: The first two lawsuits in what could be a flurry of legal actions stemming from a deadly sweat lodge ceremony led by author and motivational speaker Jame...

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Recovery From Abusive Groups by Wendy Ford (1993 ICSA) Healing from the trauma of authoritarian leaders. About the Author Wendy Ford was recruited into a Bible-based cult in 1973 while a freshman at college. She was in the cult for seven years. While involved, she completed two intensive leadership ...

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Ray Postpones Self-Help Events Following Sedona, Ariz., Sweat Lodge Deaths, Victim's Family Calls for Arrest By DAN HARRIS, LEE FERRAN, JAY SHAYLOR and JEN PEREIRA Oct. 29, 2009 Quote: When dozens of fans and supporters for James Arthur Ray showed up for one of his events in Toronto Wednesday night,...

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$5K for victim ?laughable? (2.31)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... nation.cnn

Sweat lodge family?s pain (15.50)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/ ... s.long.cnn

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The Church of Scientology in France has been found guilty of defrauding its followers and its leaders have been handed fines and suspended prison sentences. However, the court did not ban the organisation?s activities in France. October 27, 2009 by France 24 A Paris court on Tuesday convicted the tw...

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Here are some relevant videos: Conference: Psychological Manipulation, Cultic Groups, and Other Alternative Movements Universidad Autonoma de Madrid Madrid, Spain July 14-16, 2005 Posted by ICSA on Oct 17, 2009 Cult Recovery lecture by Paul Martin (Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center) Part 1: htt...

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Expose of Scientology on ABC?s Nightline: Oct 23, 2009: High-Level Members Who Left the Church Say Leader David Miscavige Hit Subordinates; Church Denies Accusations Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYk3yIZ7fI&feature=related Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSn3HmoCG5s Part 3: http...

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?JEAN-PIERRE BRARD, DEPUTY MAYOR, MONTREUIL I say that Ms. McLean must be Pinocchio's little sister and that, little by little as she's talking, her nose must be growing longer. Because, obviously, she's lying.? :lol: http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1281&am...

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Hello everyone I was aware of JZ/Ramtha?s false predictions but I was led to believe that we had focused, sometimes gone into ?lockdown? and changed the timelines as per the ?quantum physics? teachings from JZ/R. I used this teaching to justify the money that was lost in unwise financial decisions m...

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"Robert Walter was 12 when he discovered that his real father was his mother's guru, the renowned Indian yogi Swami Rama - not his alcoholic dad, Arne Walter. Swami Rama had contributed enormously to yoga's surging popularity in the United States when he became the first Indian yogi to demonstr...

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Great article on why we LOVED Ramtha... (Drool...) Why We Love Gurus They seduce us by telling us what we want to hear: we're wonderful and we'll live forever. What's wrong with that? Plenty. Newsweek Magazine/October 20, 1997 By Wendy Kaminer Trance channeler Kevin Ryerson is describing the hierarc...

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Ex, was RSE ever ?investigated? for the deaths? What about injuries? Perhaps signing the above type document stops people from saying anything? However, RSE and other groups still have a duty of care not to cause harm to the participants. I attended some RSE events where JZ as Ramtha mentioned that ...

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Prescott news, 19 Oct, 2009:

http://www.prescottenews.com/news/curre ... event.html

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P.S. I think they do some kind of C & E!!! :shock: Prescott news, 19 Oct 2009 Written by Lynne LaMaster An excerpt: What Were the Participants Led to Expect? In a July 2, 2009 guide sent to the participants of the Spiritual Warrior event by the James Ray International Team, it is written, "...

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This is so tragic... Breaking news: Inside accounts of James Ray sweat lodge tragedy and retreat by Cassandra Yorgey Oct 16, 2009 http://www.examiner.com/x-11245-Philadelphia-Speculative-Fiction-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Breaking-news-Inside-accounts-of-James-Ray-sweat-lodge-tragedy-and-retreat . (DEAD L...

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Hey David Re: Mark Vicente et al and What the Bleep All the scientists expressed their beliefs about the nature of life, the results of their research, and their scientific theses. From more than 60 hours of video interviews, we selected approximately 60 minutes to represent the view we wanted to ex...

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Experience in NLP lecture Out of curiosity, my husband & I attended a popular Humanistic NLP lecture recently. It was the first self development lecture we have been since leaving RSE. I have to applaud JZ/RSE for producing a very comprehensive recycled chicken manure school. After the RSE exper...

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There is a documentary called ?I, Psychopath? that was released in May, 2009. The film can be watched here (50 mins): http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/ ?Making a movie with a psychopath,? declares I, Psychopath?s director Ian Walker, ?is a little like poking a snake with a stick.? By the ...

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Hi David Excellent article from Paul Martin. Sadly, he has passed away recently. http://beta.bloglines.com/b/preview?siteid=6083180 ?Noted psychologist and cult expert Paul Martin, 63, passed away after an 8-month battle with leukemia on August 14, 2009. Dr. Martin (photo right) was the founder and ...

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Hi David I was impressed with Keith Raniere's self-proclaimed credentials. He sounds super intelligent, almost too good to be true. One psychopathic experience is enough for me... I wonder why Keith named the company "Nexium" (in pronounciation). May be one needs to take Nexium (reduces st...

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Hello David It is unfortunate for RSE members to join another group that is as destructive. One RSE type experience is more than enough!!! I was browsing these web sites that may be of interest. Mark Vicente seems to be defending the group and his involvement, Apr 2008: http://forum.rarb.org/forum/v...

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Who has a better Baloney? There seem to be many to choose from? Unbound and AD60, according to JZ, she went public with Ramtha in 1979, end of 1978 or beginning in 1978!!! :-? (1) From RSE, ?Ramtha has been teaching since 1979?? http://www.ramtha.com/html/world-tour/world-schedule.stm (2) In JZ?s bo...

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Lwo, a thorough psychological evaluation by psychologists such as Robert Hare who has studied psychopathy and forensic psychology may be helpful. :idea: http://www.hare.org/welcome/bio.html JZ hired a different team of scholars: :sad: http://www.ramtha.com/html/aboutus/aboutus.stm 'These scientific ...

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Here is JZ?s story about Ramtha?s magnetic field: Ramtha Appears to JZ in 1977 http://www.ramtha.com/html/aboutus/about-jz.stm "My husband spent the time watching a compass that we had used to align these pyramids to true north, watching it spinning around so fast that he couldn't even see the ...

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If Ramtha is not showing up in person, then the next scientific study could be a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan of JZ?s head. The focus would be on the lower cerebellum as JZ claims that Ramtha uses her lower cerebellum with his mind to activate her body. Therefore, there should be some chang...

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Hello Oldone, thanks for the excellent article. Quote from article: While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up." The above is...

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Studies have shown that visual deprivation, either through blindfolding or visual impairment may cause hallucinations. RSE?s disciplines promote visual deprivation through the use of blindfolds. In my opinion, some students may have ?hallucinations?, but are influenced by JZ/Ramtha to think that the...

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Article on "doomsday & doomsday cults".

JZ zeroxed from some of these doomsayers.

http://www.skepdic.com/doomsday.html

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There goes Ramtha?s theory of ?red wine enlightenment?? (1) Alcohol's benefits 'exaggerated' Friday, 25 September 2009 University of Otago http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news-nz/20092509-19856.html In this week?s online New Zealand Medical Journal clinicians raise question marks over the protective ...

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Dove :lol: :lol: :lol: I placed the cell phones OUTSIDE the house (in the garden far away), and then whispered to my husband inside. My husband was a Ramster but he still thought I had gone mad! :lol: We were also advised to relocate the food if stored in an underground when no one was looking. Henc...

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Tim Minchin (comedian, actor, musician) on being open-minded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFO6ZhUW38w

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Arewethereyet, Perhaps walking in a straight line and repeating this sentence may help: "For as long as I can remember, I have always been FREE from any RSE or EMF paranoia. So be it!" :lol: Re: "A Few Good Men" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8kZQ61Oxg&feature=related That ...

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I heard JZ as Ramtha predict the 4000 ft wave at an event in June 2008. She/He also "predicted" the possibility of the North Pole?s ice melting towards the last few months of 2008. A reference was made to this CNN article (June 27, 2008) about the possibility of the North Pole being ice-fr...

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?dr? Greg has admitted in his Physics of Change Newsletter Oct 2009 that he is NOT a doctor in his reply to a question about bipolar disorder but he gave advice on how to ?own? it. http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter.html Copied from above: Question: ?What is the attitude behind bipolar disord...

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JZ as Ramtha has often used voice inflexion to reprimand students for not building underground bunkers, and JZ does NOT have one or two??? What the??? :roll: She "must" have access to her comrades? bunkers, and shopping malls in bunkers in ?the days to come that are here? as per Scamtha?s ...

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JZ has paid her 2007 & 2008 taxes after being exposed!!! By Megan Hansen, Nisqually Valley News Published: Friday, October 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT After questions were raised last week by a Nisqually Valley News reporter, channeler JZ Knight?s paid up delinquent taxes. Early last week, Knight owed n...

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STRASBOURG, France, Oct. 1, 2009 European Court Of Human Rights Rules Russian Ban On Scientologists Illegal http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/01/ap/europe/main5355832.shtml (AP) Russia's ban on the Church of Scientology is illegal, the European Court of Human Rights said Thursday in a binding r...

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Jaime Leal-Anaya from RSE Publishing will be speaking at a conference in Ecuador and will introduce Ramtha and the School as the alternative to humanity's future. :shock: http://www.ramtha.com/email/10-08-09_jaime/online.html Jaime's talk: The observer: The missing link in human evolution (Can be tr...

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Joe, I haven?t read it but I was reading Lobdell?s post called ?Without a Doubt?. http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/02/guest-post-by-william-lobdell-without.html "So it?s time for religious doubt to come out of the closet and be dealt openly and thoughtfully. I was honored (and a l...

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Hi there

How convenient for RSE. Nothing gets in the way of a good ?story? and there is no time.

However, if it was an ?unfavorable? story, amnesia seems to occur with the change in timeline.

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Hi Marie

Here are some topics mainly from Blue College events recently at Ramtha TV.

http://www.ramtha.com/email/09-22-09_ra ... nline.html

The last one on Oct 24 is called ?Displacing the Personality?. I wonder if one becomes a ?zombie? as a consequence!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie

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Medical advice from RSE Wow! I think the medical establishments need to check out the miraculous healings at RSE from its disciplines. Who can we call? The Mayo Clinic? From the latest RSE newsletter: http://www.ramtha.com/newsletter/vol5/issue9/testamonials.html (1) Child conquering leukemia http:/...

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Hello everyone What is the difference between praying and talking to yourself? Is hoping for something to happen the same as praying but without thinking about it in spiritual terms? What if we avoid words that have religious/spiritual affiliations? Would that put things in a different perspective? ...

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JZ could be riding on that black horse, Shamiridin and disappearing to the 23rd universe... where she can still continue SHOPPING...

You know, shopping malls exist on the other side, too.

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Hello everyone There is no need to feel sorry for anyone as we create our own reality!!! Sorry... :D Does JZ or GS feel sorry for any of us that got sucked into her deception??? I don't think so... Sociopaths or psychopaths sleep very well at night with NO conscience. That is a "Master" as...

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There have been anecdotal stories of levitation in RSE. Ramtha has instructed students to focus on levitation during the disciplines. If Baird Spalding?s Masters of the Far East stories (that include levitation) are fictional, then the levitation stories in RSE would be questionable. Greg Simmons to...

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Hello everyone Thank you for your thoughts that were beautifully expressed. Question: Do you still pray? Answer: No as I have abandoned all my imaginary friends but I can talk to myself sometimes? :roll: After the traumatic RSE experience, I have found a sense of freedom in being a realist and a non...

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Hello Marie

Thank you for your efforts in understanding your family?s involvement with RSE. That is beneficial in your communications with them, and may help them leave RSE eventually.

P.S. Looking forward to watching "Surrogates".

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Joe

Thank you for the info. Sounds like a great conference.

How was Lisa Monroney?s talk on ?Transitioning from a Cult Back into Society?? I have just read her thesis and posted that here a few days ago. C & E = R???

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I am reading Steven Hassan's book "Combatting Cult Mind Control". It is interesting that after his cult involvement, Steven studied NLP and Hypnosis. Steven Hassan, an exit counselor and former member of the Unification Church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hassan He later attended a...

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Hello Unbound

You have mentioned ?2-3 years is the average time that people spend in a cult?.

Just wondering where you got that info from?

All our RSE friends including ourselves have gone past the average by many years.

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The Collection of Spiritual Leader JZ Knight Brings More than $1-Million at Bonhams & Butterfields Bonhams & Butterfields was honored to present The JZ Knight Collection on September 27, 2009. Amassed over a decade, the Collection featured eclectic and unique examples of period furniture, de...

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I have mentioned some of the goofs before but as Ramtha usually says ?Turn to your neighbor and REPEAT?? (Try keeping a straight face when Ramtha appears, and his Tai Chi movements in this show?) (1) On the Merv Griffin show 1985, JZ said ?nothing is going to happen to the world?. However, in May 19...

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That is responsible advice from RSE. Thank you.

In being realistic, RSE could be admitting that its disciplines for remarkable healing may not work in this situation?

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Ex: "joe wrote a wile ago about the legal aspects of sueing a cult. the thing is we gave ouer money vouluntarely." Hello Ex Is Joe's post about the legal aspects on this message board? I do not remember reading it but I have not read everything here. P.S. I wonder if EMF should contact Joy...

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Some info on treatment of former members of destructive cults. There is also a recommended reading list and video links (posted here previously). ?Educate the client about mind control so the client sees the problem is with the cult system, not with them specifically. What people emerging from cults...

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Oldone asks: Who put up those Video on YouTube anyway Those videos are from Veoh, another online video service. http://www.veoh.com/corporate/aboutus The videos may have been posted by the lady that interviewed JZ and auctioneer i.e. Joyce Chow. Joyce is an owner of MBN (Monte Bubbles Network), a Ne...

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Hi Joe and Unbound Students will hallucinate anything in order to justify the expense for the ?horse?. Here are three students? experiences over their Unforgettable One-on-One with their beloved Ramtha. It is interesting these are ?female? students? Hugs and kisses with JZ? Drool? Totally smitten......

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Oldone and Compassion

The hair flicking and brushing could be a sign of flirtatious behavior.

I notice JZ seems to do that in previous interviews, too.

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This 1991 article mentions JZK charging up to $1500 for a private audience with Ramtha who set the price. JZ/R now engages in private conversation for a minimum of $20,000. She has not created a virtual proxy yet? http://www.rse-auctions.com/index.asp (DEAD LINK) http://www.rse-auctions.com/detail.a...

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Oldone LOL!!! I only posted the first 5 minute preview of the video. For those interested, here is the full length version (9.10 min): http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/jz-knight-the-heart-soul-and-passion-of-a-collector/1210149833 LOL!!! Oldone, you will enjoy the last 4 minutes. Linda E. and Sal...

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5 minute interview with JZ herself...

She can appear charismatic...

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/categ ... 84Mx6Wgmxb#

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JZ could have spare cash to pay her property taxes if Greg Simmons? prediction was true? http://www.mastersconnection.com/greatminds/GregSimmonsInterview3.htm . (DEAD LINK) GREG: I know, we are going to double our population with new students. At the end of 2008 we are going to have 20,000 current s...

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5 minute video preview of JZ Knight Collection at Bonhams and Butterfields

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/categ ... 11YNntH5Xf#

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Discrepancies... JZ has made many claims about her ability to foresee the future. She claims to have the privilege of an ascended Master Teacher, Ramtha for fatherly advice. A few years ago, JZ stated that her youngest son is a brilliant investment advisor and has helped her to invest wisely. JZ/Ram...

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This post is intended for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES only... From the book ?Deadly cults: the crimes of true believers? by Robert L. Snow, 2003. http://books.google.com/books?id=75JSQtZLCq0C&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=deadly+cults&source=bl&ots=b1fIKd86UD&sig=4prSQ7jGUXWiADIgO04pWWvKXr8...

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I have been informed that the Candle Focus DVD ($19.95) is JUST a virtual candle with no background music. JZ knows how to sell ice to Eskimos? Students use the virtual candle rather than a real candle for candle focus. http://store.ramtha.com/Store/item/D09CF At a recent overseas event, real candle...

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Hello Bts It is great that you are writing about Spalding. I am not quite sure what sort of info you were after but I hope the following references help. I was led to believe by "Ramtha" that the author, Spalding was genuine in his ?story? about the Masters of the Far East. The set of book...

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Hello everyone I came across some information on the legal issues surrounding Church Universal and Triumphant (CUT). The info may be helpful to anyone that is contemplating taking legal action against ?cults?. (1) An excellent article by attorney Lawrence Levy http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articl...

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Hello everyone Apart from Jeff Knight and the Arabian horse cases, I am unaware of anyone else taking legal action against JZK. Does anyone know if there were other court cases in the past filed against JZK or RSE? JZ seems to be the one that sues her students or competitors, and wins most of them? ...

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Law blocks Scientology from being disbanded despite fraud allegations Tuesday 15 September 2009 http://www.france24.com/en/20090915-scientology-france-dissolution-blocked-court-fraud Copied from above: REUTERS - A new French law means the Church of Scientology cannot be dissolved in France even if i...

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Hello Compassion and Oldone Oldone, this was also mentioned here, of all places. Is that the only RSE retreat Terry went? http://www.icsahome.com/logon/elibdocview.asp?Subject=New+Life+for+Terry+Cole-Whittaker (DEAD LINK) Copied from above: New Life for Terry Cole-Whittaker From the San Jose [CA] Me...

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Ex: "not even one retreat..."

The winner has to clean the toilets and showers to make up for the shortfall...

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Under Student Deaths in Abuse forum, http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18 Whatthebleep mentioned Clint Eastwood look-alike guy... Quoted from Tyger: "Some of the stories you are posting are personally known to me. I talked to Clint Eastwood's son a few da...

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JZ is paying only $1000 to the winner of its T-shirt design contest. http://ramtha.com/contest/ http://ramtha.com/contest/details.html Copied from above: ?The winning T-shirt design will become the property of JZK Inc., and artist agrees to assign complete and exclusive rights of the artwork to JZK ...

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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Graham_E._Berry

Try this link for article.

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Speech (9 pages) on Scientology and US legal system given by attorney Graham E. Berry at a conference in Germany in Sep 2008. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/How_the_Scientology_Organization_uses_and_exploits_the_United_States'_legal_system_for_its_own_ends An excerpt, copied from above: How the Scien...

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Ex and Jtrl, according to the reference below, Clint Eastwood himself has been to see Ramtha, too. http://www.ccel.us/newage.ch6.html From Pages 52 & 53 above: MacLaine has also flipped to the channel of Ramtha, the alleged 35,000-year-old ascended master from the lost continent of Atlantis. &qu...

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We have a huge collection of RSE and their recommended products (pseudo everything). We have also been asked by current students to part with them. Quoting my husband: "No way are we perpetuating this NONSENSE." We are definitely not selling or giving away the collection. They will be thro...

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Lwo, this is similar to the video but in print form by Michael Shermer, taken from the magazine Scientific Amercian. Baloney Detection How to draw boundaries between science and pseudoscience By MICHAEL SHERMER http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/baloney.html Copied from above: ---------------------...

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Researchers have discovered that the meditative or trance state may be harmful.

Evidence as shown in this video (1.36 mins).

Warning: Not for children?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMvCFlIw ... re=related

Watch out for those ?Harmsters? at the ranch in Yelm.

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David, RSE = Superstitious thinking, in hindsight. Unfortunately, RSE promotes the following "schooling" that sounds CONvincing, http://ramtha.com/html/pdf/introduction.pdf Copied from current website, under ?What You Will Learn?: Students are initiated into the philosophy through special ...

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JZ sent an email to RSE students with the heading ?An Invitation from JZ Knight!? in the following NLP language: http://www.jzknight.com/ Also can be viewed in her website. Copied from above: ?I have enjoyed a passion for collecting the works of geniuses using my unique gifts and abilities. I have t...

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Scientology: crisis in France An excellent article that shows the destructiveness of Scientology and the aftermath. Ditto for cults including RSE. JZ is fortunate that RSE has not much of a history or presence in France yet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/29/scientology-france-legal From a...

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Britain's secret mission to expose Scientology leader as 'fraud'. British diplomats compiled evidence 30 years ago that the founder of Scientology, L Ron Hubbard, was a "fraud", according to National Archive papers. By Alastair Jamieson Published: 6 Aug 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...

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Derren Brown is AMAZING... JZ also knows some of his techniques. I have not worked out how he got the blindfolded girl to throw the dart to hit the queen of hearts. Is it all a trick or did she have a hit, similar to RSE students who find their card on the fence or hit the bulls eye in archery blind...

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JZ and Steve would have to FOCUS to get a similar certificate from the Mayor of Yelm. According to Ramtha, in the quantum field, there is a timeline where this is a reality? In this ?New Wage? blog, http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2009/03/2009-scammy-awards-its-not-too-late-to.html JZ may get an aw...

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Hello Moderators

I think we have gone off topic here.

If you get a chance, may I suggest moving the ?White Powder Gold? discussion from David?s initial comment to ?Scams and Ponzi Schemes? forum where Sea-11 water and Omega are located. They do make a good trio...

Thank you for moderating.

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Belief in ?energy medicine? may not be useful in some circumstances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu ... re=related (2.33 mins)

From ?'That Mitchell and Webb Look?, British comedy duo. July 2009.

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So JZ says here on Sep 2, 2009:

http://www.jzknight.com/

Steve Klein has a request for the Mayor of Yelm on Sep 6, 2009:

http://yelm.com/2009/09/97-jz.html

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Hello David, Oldone and Ex I think believers in Ramtha still believe in David Hudson?s dirt! In July, 2003, ?Sir? Laurence Gardner, an author was asked about David Hudson?s dirt by Beyond the Ordinary Internet Radio (by RSE students). JZ is a fan of Laurence and his books. This was the last question...

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David?DM, here is some channeled info about the "white powder gold". http://www.lyghtforce.com/WhiteGold/00000012.htm An excerpt, copied from above (by EKarels): This is channelled information from Ramtha about the white powder. Accept it with whatever skepticism you wish to assign to it. ...

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