The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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That's the paper?

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hi delavie. thanks for the translated transcript. did you know that selma hayek, who jz calls her best friend, gets knighted by the french government? selma is a devoted rse student and owns land around yelm. I've not been around these parts for quite some time! Life has been very busy, and I've ra...

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I am still in tears after reading about this here just yesterday. My adult children used Vanda as their massage specialist in Manhattan. I've been there and so has my husband. It was a lovely studio and she had a business partner. Once I really left RSE and lost my sister, I stopped returning Vanda'...

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Oh my gawd, no! I haven't been to this site for a very long time. I knew Vanda! I met her and her then husband at my first event. Is this the same Vanda Boone who was a very good massage therapist in Manhattan? I knew that she and her husband split up. I am heartbroken to hear this. Vanda was a very...

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Scientologists don't even know the basic preps for someone scheduled to go under for surgery

This is just unconsionable. The complications are the patient can vomit and aspirate causing an aspiration pneumonia. It's very dangerous. Shame on Scientology for using this as a recruiting tool.

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With all due respect, I think I'd rather see the pope as president rather than a xenu-alien believing scientologist! At least the pope will "whip" himself to keep himself in line.

Okay, bad joke. But, really

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Fox News makes my head spin and spew green stomach contents about the premises. :mrgreen: Haitian people are very peaceful by nature. Having several dear Haitian friends who are Catholics to the core, 'scientologeeeozman' might be better off keeping it's sci-fi gibberish to itself. I can just imagin...

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Yes, not-doc Greg. Focus and regrow those limbs for the dear Haitians. You did bring a chipmunk back to life, did you not announce to one and all :!: Let's not forget the fish you 'gridded' (killed) accidentally according to your story . Let's also not forget the yellow jacket nest which magically d...

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There is an interesting play by a playwright I can't remember right now, 'Hiding Behind Comets' about this tragedy.

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What proof can RSE have? The only thing we were asked when I was a student was to estimate what we spent in Yelm and use that figure. No receipts were given to RSE for them to calculate the true amount spent by any of us. Try that at an IRS audit, Juditty.

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Oh yeah, that's right. I remember Greg telling us the story of his stopping turbulence on one of his cross country flights. Uh, yeah. Go back Jack, and do it again.

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Say what

(I think I'm going blind after reading THAT!)

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Would like to see them all going through the airport security in Israel and explaining the purpose of their visit and showing photographs of their visit. I just don't think airport security in Israel is going to be amused. jmo

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Oh, absolutely. RSE teaches that we choose all that happens to us, including rape, illness, murder - you see, it's all to 'learn' they will say. Judith stated on national television that she did not believe murder was wrong but was the choice of the victim. Oh excuse me, i should have worded that di...

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A Titanic in the making. It's very sad.

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This week CNN's Campbell Brown is investigating the claims of ex members of the Dahn cult. Here's a link for anyone interested. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/01/05/brown.dahn.yoga.lawsuit.cnn?iref=allsearch Sort of odd CNN's Larry King has a thing for jzrk yet they've never done any...

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Scratching head and wondering why Knight just doesn't teach the fire department C&E!

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I don't understand why mainstream media hasn't picked up on similar occurrences up in Yelm!

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I've been hearing, too, there are more "masters of the cards." I don't understand what this has to do with jzrk/ramtha, since it would appear to be an ability we all have and can hone into. While I was at RSE, there were many who could see through the cards, not all, not all the time, but ...

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Oh how sad. Incredibly sad.

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Perhaps we can enlighten them!!!

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There are those who simply return to the secondary group since BC is so costly. So the 'better and better students' are in reality the older students who don't want to spend their money for the same teachings they now know will be passed onto them even if in secondary. I sat in that audience when jz...

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AsIRecallIt: can you pm me with details of the NDE experience? I'm a medpro and have had patients return. A few doctors experienced themselves while having a myocardial infarction. It's interesting to me, that's all. Appreciate your sharing here.

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Hello Gigi--
I have a huge collection I purchased over time through ebay and other sources. It's cost a fortune and one day it could benefit the many who are still imprisoned in RSE without knowing. Your best bet would be to do the same as I in doing research and biting the bullet to pay for it.

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Quoted from above: ""the ultimate mystery that is us yet we somehow know is us above and beyond whatever faith we name outwardly"" Joe, this is wonderful and is where I have found myself after so much contemplation of various religions and of course, RSE. I think it's simple - I ...

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Hello ExOmAkad What I observed on a few occasions was so ugly, and contempt was literally oozing from this person towards the audience that I had to keep asking myself ?how could this be an enlightened being?? Dove I remember hearing "you're so small--you're so afraid--(with contempt): YOUR CO...

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How about we keep this blog going and bring attention to Larry King having jzrk on his show and never mentioning the channeling or things related to the school. Oh my! http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/16/sweat-lodge-deaths-being-treated-as-homicide-case/#comments ""There is much ...

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""A Focus in Fear"" - just another name for RSE or maybe the title of a new book

(unless someone already did it)

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Wouldn't it be news to make this information available to the public through the media, especially with attention drawn to the deaths in Arizona

Or do they only like jzrk when she's in full makeup and extensions

Take it to the media and let the truth be known how off balance she is.

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I wonder if her recent feng shui clearing of antiques in the auction is helping along these lines.

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I was just going to post about the same (link above) http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/09/sweat.box.deaths/index.html?eref=rss_topstories It could only be a matter of time. I don't understand how they get away with packing body upon body at the events when an event is held and all of the resident ramste...

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Mr. Simmon's story of his levitation appear to vary greatly. When I heard him tell the tale, he described it as feeling as though one foot came down to the ground and he didn't mention feeling the other foot come down. He did say he notified jzrk and told her he thought he just levitated. He didn't ...

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Wow! Jzrk is going feng shui!

Making room for all of the "chi"" to flow through.

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I agree with Dove. Marie, your mother will realize how fortunate she is when that day arrives.

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Yes, an admission that all of the fevers people experienced were not the ""great burning off of karma"". Gee, thanks Steve--why didn't you pass around some tylenol instead of the karma crap.

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I have got to see that one!

So they all ""awaken?"" Gives new meaning to jzrk's frequent shouting WAKE UP! in the midst of one of her winding senseless discourses. I remember listening and then wondering to myself, ""what did she just say"?

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I can recognize hair extensions a mile away. She's got 'em.

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Quote: ""living their lives only in their heads...""

Another sequel to The Matrix series!

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Imo, I doubt jzrk will EVER do anything in public (meaning her RSE charade). It appears she doesn't wish to be bothered with such conflicts and sends out her "do-bees" instead. One begins to wonder whether or not she is mentally capable of dealing with such problems on her own, rather than...

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AD - so touching, eloquent and even poetic. True beauty of the highest order, imo. Many thanks for posting it.

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The economy....reduction in old and new students (still can't manifest even an apple in the hand) and goodness, people do need to eat! She might have purchased some island where she'll disappear to, leaving her students to study on "home internet courses"....still believing she is a "...

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Agree with Unbound. Violence doesn't begin to enter my mind. Were there chaos, we'd probably be in the front lines attempting to calm and assist people, yes, even RSE'ers. The fear is not produced by EMF, but from what I have seen, those "self-elevated beings" within RSE. Peace to all. Ser...

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So jzrk is now living in "virtual reality?"

Just make a wii game! Watch that one fly off of her shelves. -not-

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I'm curious as to how she manages this through her translators! There are some languages where the verb is always at the end of the sentence. Maybe these people don't get hooked on jzrk. I doubt she'd do well in the far east while claiming to be the hindu ram.

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"The Complex" is a must read, imo. Seems everyone knew the great "third level secret" since it's all over the internet (Xenu the alien). This poor guy believed in and behaved just the way he was told. He stayed off of the internet he says because they weren't permitted to use cer...

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Would like to comment, I wouldn't ever market my RSE items. The response I made to naturediva was tongue-in-cheek (and had a vibe it was a current student). I do believe it's important to keep these things away from the innocents, but also equally important to have an archive. Some of my stuff are t...

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A similar thing occurred with me at my beginner's event. After all of the travel and expense, I was presented and rushed through this inane "gag" order. At this beginning point, (and thereafter)...the dreams were my own, always will be, and always were...no pun intended here. I daresay I m...

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Perhaps she'll hop back in time and prevent herself from ever beginning to smoke. Add to it, she can prevent herself from making so many relationship errors. Wait, I feel an entire list coming on.

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Yes, but they're originals, so you'll need to bid for them on e-bay....

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Quoted from above: ""?God will blow your fuse; you need me as a transformer.? "" LOL! So as a hindu, he doesn't abide by "the Divine is within everyone." One imagines when he says 'namaste,' this guy is just outright lying (as others of these 'gurus' come to mind). . :r...

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::tosses a rescue harness to AD:: Your thoughts and opinions are highly valued here!!!

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He actually called himself 'Bhagwan?'

Hey, Bhagwan. Akin to saying 'Oh God.' How these people marvel at themselves claiming to be 'gods' ought be a clue.

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Here's the deal with facebook. Your "real" identity is known, so those wishing to remain anonymous for whatever reason will most likely not join. I did hear that jzrk has a facebook page. Should check it out. I probably wouldn't join on facebook due to my identity being made public to jzrk...

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I just continue to wonder, why does jzrk "manifest" these things into her life? After all, SHE teaches we all create our own reality! (intended to be tongue-in-cheek sarcasm)

jzrk must certainly be focusing on bringing such things into her life. lol (another tongue-in-cheek)

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What is the name of the Beach Boys PR firm? If they are not aware of the affiliation with RSE, they OUGHT to be made aware of such. Unless there's another Salma in the group!

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Quote from first link above (on the website): ""In this tape, Ramtha teaches that we are here to gain wisdom by experiencing emotions. He also discusses the emotions of love, fear, and desire."" Emotions? Really? jzrk as ramtha taught we are here to 'experience' emotions? So what...

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We'll never know how many people went to RSE after watching that sci-fi farce of a movie! I've met more people who saw this movie and then expressed concern over a loved one getting somewhat tied into the "belief" of this than I care to remember. One young woman was concerned about her fat...

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Imagine if you will indeed, "Master Greg," if you had gone into a real PR/marketing business. With your "genuis," you could be wealthier than jzrk! A missed "runner," I suppose.

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I think Voidgate was being sarcastic in her statement re jzrk being generous. JMO. This internet communication makes it so difficult to interpret the tone of one's post at times! Please correct me if I'm wrong, Voidgate. jzrk owes RSE students at the least, a refund! Wishes for the very best for all...

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Voidgate posts: "announce that I have squandered my money on attending a spiritual course in the USA that has proven to be a fraud." I'm so sorry you are experiencing this. It's difficult enough to have gone through RSE and fortunately, you found your way out of that "world." Hav...

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Don't ya just love the, "as it is seen now!" Doctor her eyes.

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Estate/family of Vera Stanley Alder - where are you!? Talk about violation of copyright. I've read some of Alder's books after leaving RSE and was stunned jzrk managed to pull this violation off. I thank EMF and factnet for all they've provided in this vein, as well as Joe for his offering of source...

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I don't know how I missed this letter, but in joy, I found it now. Beautiful and elegant. Thank you for sharing it. The lack of compassion for others was one thing I could not accept during my short tenure at RSE. Like you, my reasons for attending RSE were so I might evolve more and be of greater h...

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Absolutely chilling excerpt from the blog of this man. When I read these words, I immediately thought of RSE and how jzrk's teachings believe murder is not wrong but the "choice of the victim." I doubt any of these women chose for this. The below is an excerpt which is published in its ent...

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mcgee wrote: But Ramthas's teachings urge me forward

They are not "ramtha's teachings." The teachings have merely been collected and gathered from other sources, packaged by jzrk, and paid for by you.

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One would think that amount is a simple drop in the bucket for her! It's surprising to see the taxes remain the same over the years.
She can't even afford a decent shower facility for her "students." That's just sad.

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Whose picture is that on the ad?

Think I'll start using pictures of me when I was 20!

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Voidgate: That was a cyber-hug! A name in between these brackets: { } implies a hug. That's all. Sorry to confuse you. Just a hug for you, is all and all that's good in life!

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Might I suggest, ww, you take a quick oob trip to Iran and use your prowess to broadcast the news to the world, since standard media news has been shut down. Or is this too altruistic a maneuver? Perhaps you can warn this poor woman to not go out today. (youtube video link-hope this is okay-very gra...

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I don't know all the details, but the simple solution for this parent and/or friend of this four year old child that fainted is to take the child to a pediatrician and get some tests done to assess respiratory or circulatory issues with the child's health. This is not a situation for Child Protecti...

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ww writes: 'Recently, I was observing two of the FBI agents who are investigating David Carradine's death. It was murder, not suicide and my OOB Experience in regard to this situation provided useful information for me. By the way, just to help you find a way to put all of this into perspective...I ...

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Oh, great.

Checking to see if I can cancel my order

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This is 'indeed' an extremely 'enlightening' find

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Cat - I will definitely do this when I receive the book. Gordon Melton? Oh my. Let's hope not.

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Buying it now. How interesting

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Oh jz and gs, how silly thou art! Want to know how to really rake in the money?

Sell jzk's REAL medical records.

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Next marketing tip, GS. When jzk as ramtha runs out the back door to take a leak, collect the resultant 'mud' and sell that on ebay.

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Or is Ramtha just one big FLATULENCE orally??? Just might have something there. 'ramtha' is just an ole 'phart' of jzk's imagination. No wonder jzk as ramtha doesn't care for vegetarians. ;-) ramtha (trying not to honor by capitalization), jzk claims, was and is very focused. How could this being f...

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There is confusion over this. Jzk says in her book she was living in Tacoma and married to a dentist when ramtha appeared to her and ramtha told her to move out of the house they were in because it was dangerous. She went out and bought a house soon after and that book has all the 'honeys' and 'darl...

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Now I'm very confused. JZ as ramtha claims to have ascended and not ever crossed over. Wouldn't this then imply that ramtha didn't die and still has a body if someone does believe the entity existed? I heard so many times ramtha refused to show 'his' real body because he claimed to be so beautiful n...

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Oookay. I remember 'Jay' as well. Jay, is that longhand for 'JZ?' Believe I asked this once too.

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Thank you for this article. I found it extremely interesting. Wonder what arterial blood gasses would be on RSE students during C&E?

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Oldone wrote:Hello Jay
Arresting the Victim is not the solution,you should be going after JZ instead,or is she to big for you to tangle with
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Has her "orb" gained weight lately?

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Oldone -- I think you got something there. :idea: Could the reason RSE students are "failing" (at least according to Judith as ramtha "if you could see your bands you'd cry!) because they focus only on what they require and not the needs for the greater good :!: Yes, you stop that RSE...

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It appears to me, at least, that some in RSE strictly adhere to the "allowing others their choices" theme --allowing others in this world untold suffering via hunger, droughts, floods, earthquakes, human and civil rights violations. The list goes on. This is 'allowing?' With the very wonde...

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W - You seem to get so emotional when you spill out with these threats. It really is such a waste of your time. You could be doing something so much more productive with these moments than making threatening gestures with words on a page. Maybe you could spend a few hours a week doing community ser...

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Were ww already not frequency specific with EMF, ww would not be here. Perhaps ww is experiencing doubt, and at that, EMF might allow the caged mind to become her/his own once again. In that, I would hope for her release and freedom to be more than the RSE grip can ever allow. ww - you already are f...

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Water is 'indeed' an important issue everywhere. When precisely did Judith voice her concern over water rights? Was it with the proposed construction of a housing development near her property, or has she been involved in the Yelm community at large, a member of conservation groups as such, in the p...

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Is ww the spouse-ex of an RSE staff person? I do not deny the presence of that which is greater. In my opinion, I found jzrk to be fraudulent and behaving in what appeared to be petty behavior. After a huge standing ovation, Dr. Ledwith is no longer teaching at beginners? Had his shadow grown larger...

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JZ should be taken to court for promoting all kinds of snake oil and prescription only medicines. JZ/Ramtha promotes the prescription only SSRI, Prozac which has possible interactions and adverse effects and is not suitable for everyone in RSE. I attended a Beginners event this year and RSE showed ...

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I just don't understand why she continues to 'create' this in her life. ;-) Just F-O-C-U-S, Judith. It's that simple, right? Did she assume the throne of Yelm on her own? If she's concerned about the water rights of EVERYONE, why criticize what is being done to assist the area 30 years into the futu...

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LOL! Oh, this is precious. RSE doesn't "own" Yelm. It's not a "Judith Vatican." There are people, the majority who aren't in RSE. It would be very sweet for them all to vocalize a fraction of what Stevo does.

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Component of clumping cat litter?

cough cough cough

What next? Corpophagia? good lord.

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Wisewoman, I made the comment "practicing medicine without a license," and as a medical professional, I stand by my statement. There are people drinking their own urine at RSE. There are alcoholics drinking wine. Judith has promoted Prozac as being essential for all, and from my understand...

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Wisewoman, thou art not, for thou cannot "see."
Take off the blinders, and follow not a 10,000 yr. old barbarian/woman in disguise, but that which you have always known to be true.
You.

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I understand now why other people used to laugh at us when we did the very noisy C & G with the HISSING sound and saliva spitting everywhere (with garlic breath). Plus doing the Blue Body moves on the dance floor in the discotheque. The worse is that 'So Be It' hand gesture that was made everyt...

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The first time I heard that C&E hisssssssing, I thought it was before we were taught it at beginners, and some event was open to all students. 'Neighborhood walk' time for all before the event, and a young woman was making this odd sound. I though she was into martial arts and just doing her war...

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You aren't kidding. I hurt my back just laughing!

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I've seen the discrepancies, too, and wondered, how on earth did she buy a house within a week (due to Ramtha informing her that she and her family were in danger where they were living), then pass this off in her "State of Mind" book as, "Honey?" "Yes, Dear?" "I b...

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For me it is unconscionable to subject the kids to this sort of behavior and infiltration of their thoughts. I totally agree, It?s all so very very sick and disturbing....but perfectly normal behavior for a person without a conscience...! This is the article copied from the (Children?s School of Ex...

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Now that is a beautiful woman.

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Larry King has a taste for much younger women, and Judith appears to be having fantasies of her own. She's heading for her 70's, regardless of how much cosmetic surgery she has. I doubt she can keep up with someone 25 to 30 or more years her junior, in the female department. Give your fantasies a re...

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The wording is so "carefully" selected - lol. "The Bellevue store is being "relocated!" Ah, yeah, okay. But it's being "relocated" to an existing store in Yelm. In other words, as Caterpillar stated, Bellevue is simply closing down. Me oh my, Judith, just what sort...

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Sometimes I wonder about those who have been there from the start, believing and doing everything and anything JZ as ramtha tells them to do. Would they believe it if JZ herself told them it was all her "vision?" Or would they be in denial? "Oh, it's just a test." Reminds me of t...

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I wonder if Salma believes hubby is responsible for his becoming a hostage.

I mean, that is what ramtha, er, JZ teaches. So Salma, are you blaming your hubby for being taken hostage?

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I wonder if her publicist even knows the extent of RSE impact on her client. Didn't JZ rip into Hayek in the audience once? I wasn't there but was wondering if anyone here saw it. I DO remember Greg Simmons telling the story of a "young struggling star" who was an RSE student (this was bef...

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AD60, what an insightful response. One other thing about the so-called "testing." JZ hand-picked those who tested her. She showed a high degree of "disassociation." The tests in NO way prove anything in the way of her channeling anything. The glossy medical reports were a disgrac...

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Oh Jay, how innocent thou art! I was at my first event when JZ as ramtha made her way into the back of the hall and accused a young married man, in front of his wife and two children, of having "fantasies" of being with "his daughteren" (ramtha claims JZ is his reincarnated daugh...

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Check this out: http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/salma-hayek-to-wed-again/442574#commentBottom And then this comment: (I wonder how long it will last) "She is a member of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (not much of an enlightenment) headed by Judith Hampton Knight (JZ Knight) who claims...

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I don't know about NLP, but some do tend to judge others by appearance. Did anyone notice the looks exchanged between audience members when Susan walked onto the stage? There is beauty within all of us. Eyes were opened, yes, perhaps it might not be best to judge a book by its cover. I have met such...

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Quote: "Can the wind just blow without the automatic connection to a thought about some mystical character...and then take you for a thought ride into analyzing what one had dedicated their life to? " I consider myself "out" of RSE, and have read many of the obscure books JZ &quo...

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Thanks Whatcha and Joe. ::banging head:: Who knows what else I'll find (have already found Ruth Montgomery books...!)

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I've been doing a lot of "spring cleaning," and have come across a very old issue of an "ASTARA" newsletter. This was long before I'd ever heard of RSE, and of course, in reading it and googling, I was stunned to see I was reading this stuff way before! Good grief! Joe, anyone, w...

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Fifteen years old? Then she should call Child Protective Services, since she obviously does not want to go back out with her mother. There is hope, for you..and for her...which can turn into the real deal. You are in my heart and send much love your way!

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So many here have posted their experiences while in RSE, both good and bad. Of course, not all will agree. Jmo, but why not keep the "behind the scenes" spats exactly there - behind the scenes. Tree, Whatcha, David, Joe...everyone has been of help here. Please, I at least ask, exhibit tole...

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This is from her site: Just thinking here, Terry was into things prior to Judith, it would appear. jmo. Is JZ a Terry wannabe? ;-) http://www.terrycolewhittaker.com/Terry_Cole-Whittaker/About_Dr._Terry_.html About Terry Cole-Whittaker D. D. At 17 years of age Terry was given the gift of a teacher wh...

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According to wiki, Terry was in biz in 1975, way before Judith found her "knight in shimmering armour" in her Tacoma kitchen. Going to read the bibliography, and see what else is there. It seems, according to this information, Judith more or less borrowed from Terry, and not the other way ...

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Cat - I have a *ton* of these books. I'll sift through and see how long it takes me to dig up Vera's book, and the page numbers of her own "encounter" with a "being," as well as the "blue webs." Indeed, ;-) so shrewd she is to have read these obscure books from long ago...

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That might be something to ask Blue Body...I mean, James!

Found this on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Cole-Whittaker

Verrrrry interesting. So Terry had her thing going on years before Judith ever encountered her "glimmerman" in her kitchen.

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Yep, that's the happyhoneys! Check this out. Mitja K. confirms it. Are the downline all RSE students? and http://www.vimeo.com/2225574 Watch the video, WHERE DO I SIGN UP??? A community in Yelm ... Hey, is that manifestation of fabulous wealth? I heard that those proteins shakes come in handy at Bl...

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Way before JZ and RSE began promoting the benefits of resveratrol, here is a list of a few "scholarly" articles, real medical research. JZ just did some reading.....again, and incorporated it into her teachings. A good excuse to bring back "red wine" ceremonies. Not. Scholarly ar...

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Tree, thanks for reminding. I have forgotten about Coral Calcium and Star Stuff. Michel L. was supposed to be fabulously wealthy from Star Stuff. Still have some bottles of Coral Calcium and litmus paper! :roll: Isagenix is the latest $$$ opportunity. Mitja K is promoting it. Caterpillar You mean f...

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Sorry Tree but knowing what we know about JZ do you really think that she has the capability to Adored anyone but her self. knowing what I know about sociopaths, no. this was just my personal experience. I would say about 90% of my work directives came directly from her. she was always very endeari...

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My tread is sleeping, cannot agree with that... Oh, did I mention I registered for the followup event? Your Pal, Pete Highway to the danger zone! Hope you're kidding. I was in that "trap" as well, thinking "Oh, I'll learn more next time." I learned, but it wasn't about teachings...

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(snip) PD. Orbs were the only indisputable real, uplifting experience I had in Yelm that still allows me to know reality most probably is multidimensional. I spent many nights taking pictures and saw many faces and shapes. I still do see them when I take pictures. I don't know why RSE tries to &quo...

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journeythroughramthaland thanks for trying to get this thread back on the rails :-? I dislike getting into personal disputes on these forums but Tree, that last post was harsh, schoolyard 'tit for tat' stuff. It belongs in another venue. maybe y'all can start another thread or keep it off EMF as Da...

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Hi Cerulean ?.yeah, good question ?for me, I found everything was up for questioning ?even to the point of questioning ?what is god? ?.and I?m still wondering about the latter ?I think there are postings on this board in other places where people describe the challenge of figuring out what to keep,...

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no. the oldest son does not, and has not for quite some time. He is very "cool" about it though and sais, "whatever makes my dad happy. I am happy for him if he is happy." His son is not judgemental in regards to what his father is doing. Very allowing for not being an rse advoc...

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bwahahah! jz in her 70's atop the cat walk in the tank. but since her genetics allow for her family to have long lives, I am hoping her downfall will be emphazema. Can you see her channeling Rambles with an oxygen tank strapped under the robes? I think the older students will still believe that she...

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Greg's own son doesn't go to RSE!?!? no. the oldest son does not, and has not for quite some time. He is very "cool" about it though and sais, "whatever makes my dad happy. I am happy for him if he is happy." His son is not judgemental in regards to what his father is doing. Ver...

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We buried her in one of her beautiful purses. She loved fashion, it was one of her hobbies. She was cremated and her daughter sobbed as we shoved her into a tomb. She was a mother, a sister, a daughter and a friend. Why share this? To show that the results, direct or indirect are REAL. If someone i...

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thank you unbound. To know that there were people who understood and could sympathisize...and admit to the symptoms of the twisting mind. This forum is a small gem in and of itself for this very reason. No counselor, no "outside" (outside of rse) friend, no one, is going to understand wha...

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whatcha= I had taken a few years off while having some kids, so when I returned, and I treated my curious 5 year old to a long weekend event with me, I figured no harm would come of it. The wine had seemed to be curtailed. Just my dumb luck...Rambles comes out one night, and started up with the vil...

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Only after that could anyone eat. (I admit I ate an energy bar I had with me - sorry, not going to let my blood sugar drop "just because" someone tells me not to eat). Pfui to such an imposition. Okay, I'm going a tad off topic for a second with a story from the RSE past. I think this is ...

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Okay, deal. ;-) The candle focus and walk aren't JZ's inventions. One can learn them elsewhere. She did a "package deal swipe" of so many practices and ideas belonging to others. So the "disciplines" taught aren't RSE's to begin with... That, imo, is important to be aware of. Go...

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Whatcha writes: "When Rambler doesn't show up, one common thought amongst students is that they didn't do the Great Work well enough, seriously enough, with enough dedication, blahblahblah. They blame themselves. Perhaps it never occurs to them, to hold the teacher accountable." Guess they...

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DONT tell me Ramtha is my teacher, Im a boeddhist, my teacher is SN Goenka, look him up on the internet... So lets quit this childish behaviour and keep this board open-minded, you know very well I agree for almost 100% with the members here on the board... EMO - I've studied Buddhism, as well. Ask...

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::raises hand:: Agrees with Whatcha and David. The pattern is clear to some, yet not to all. EMO - ask yourself why you feel attacked? One person was simply asking objective questions. You were not attacked, from an objective standpoint. These are real and difficult questions to answer. It might hi...

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Whatcha - does anyone know what the woman did after? I'd be over at police headquarters filing an assault charge.

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Sara, I have only invested a short time (2-3 months) into Ramtha's teachings and I feel very much the same way. My confidence in my ability to sense truth has been greatly shaken. Hopefully this will have just been another learning experience on the path to finding truth, and I will come out of it ...

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[color=#] In that case, THEY LOST THEMSELVE A STUDENT AT RSE, I REFUSE TO GIVE UP MY TEACHER AT MY MEDITATION CENTRE IN BELGIUM!!!!!!! Pete, this is spot on. One can have *no* other teacher if one is in RSE. I witnessed a woman taken down by another student due to this. The woman who was verbally ad...

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DONT tell me Ramtha is my teacher, Im a boeddhist, my teacher is SN Goenka, look him up on the internet... So lets quit this childish behaviour and keep this board open-minded, you know very well I agree for almost 100% with the members here on the board... EMO - I've studied Buddhism, as well. Ask...

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EMO states: I would go back to have a long talk with good old Ramtha, but have already got my insights, and am not willing to spend a ridiculous ammount of money" Actually, JZ was selling "time" with one-on-one with her Ramtha persona. I don't know what the going rate is these days. I...

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AD60 said, "And why should the healthy intelligent people be encouraged to be participant in a cult, but not the unhealthy? Everyone, intelligent stupid centered crazy drug free and drug addicted have been harmed by their participation. Should only people in good physical condition cut their a...

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Pete: I've been reading along, and can empathize with where you are in your thinking process re RSE. Do you know anyone who is an actor/actress, and has performed the same character for years on end? They do it without batting an eyelash or missing a step. Anyone can drop atropine/belladonna into th...

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pete, for now i will just say that i'm encouraged to know that 10% of you doesn't believe in rse/ramtha/jz. that's a ray of hope. also encouraging to know you still feel compassion toward others, and it invokes your sadness and anger. good news. that means that you haven't succumbed (yet) to the no...

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Tree posts: "This is a very good hook. "We can't say any more because we have more advanced teachings, and YOU, as a 'beginner', really need to put in your time and disciplines to forge your way before we share openly with you." Then when in "Primary," the exact blue college...

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thanks for sharing Pete... ... Interesting re your 90percent belief in Ramtha when the very next thing you say is that you didn't get to talk to him. If you were in JZ's shoes being Ramtha and there was someone like you at an event so sincere and centered and intelligent etc who had friends he coul...

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Quote: "My observation is that the teachers put on their best faces at the beginner events and are kind, interesting and helpful. My observation is that, at regular events, they are self-centered, impatient, condescending and guru-ish." My observation and experience as well. Some are quite...

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Unbound - thank you so much for your extremely articulate and succint post which sums it all up. One thing about RSE recently entered my mind from nowhere (since I wasn't thinking about RSE at all I was surprised) :idea: . When we attend the somewhat "happy-go-lucky-beginners" event, we ar...

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I'm sitting here looking at something that I purchased awhile back, and it's the "White Book," copyright 1986 by Sovereignty, Inc., edited by Steven L. Weinberg, Ph.D. It states, "for more information on Ramtha's teachings, write or call: Sovereignty Publishers, Post Office Box 1865, ...

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"I am everything 'ramtha' is?"

No thanks, jz. Your 'karma' isn't mine, thank you very much!

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He might want to do a "create my reality check."

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Whatcha! *That* is one awesome video! Mind boggling. It's not possible to stop the exchange of information in this age. RSE is simply going to have to put that in its pipe and smoke it!

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Steve, do you really believe your own words? Do you not even respect the words of Carroll, now in another "plane?" Perhaps he'll show up in an "orb" and bop your brain into "think for myself mode." It would be the most humane thing anyone could do for a "good frien...

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*That* is absolutely hysterical!! I paid *much* less, on ebay too, a couple of years ago.

So that's "manifestation."

Uh, make the $$ appear out of thin air - isn't that what was taught!!!

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I mean, in accordance with RSE teachings, should she not be writing: "We have always had peace and that's the way I always remember it.....we have always been 'fabulously' wealthy and that's the way I always remember it...." Jzrk seems to be in a "really bad neighborhood" these d...

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I'm just shocked to see her "creating this reality" by writing such a letter!

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This is so sad :( What does this SHOUT to anyone considering RSE? Even more so....we see the founders of EMF to be capable of huge and compassionate acts. David, you were a real godsend (insert own terminology) to this woman - a woman who it sounds began as vital and deteriorated as a result of the ...

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Quote: "HE TOLD US HE WILL LIE TO US TO BEND US TO HIS WILL." Oh yes indeed! We don't wish to utilize our OWN free will, we just all want to forced into jzrk's "will" and be little rats crawling through mud and mazes! :lol: Thanks, but no thanks. My free will is mine alone, and w...

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{{{{{SadGrandfather}}}}} What Tree said is very true - just one letter starts a sandpile, then a landslide. In government, just one letter from a constituent is the equivalent of 1000 other people with the same feelings who didn't take the time to write (from my days as an environmental activist). S...

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Wanted to add, Hey Greg - why don't you "manifest" a full head of hair, particularly since you've told us point blank you've raised animals from the dead and have levitated, let alone "changed your timeline" while renting a car in China. Aw, come on. Your wife/gf might like to ru...

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Quote: "I became a student in late '06 and had about $30,000 in debt with no sustainable income. In December I began walking for my 'Dream job where I was loved and respected and made fabulous wealth'. I walked every single day, sometimes twice a day because I love this discipline. In June of '...

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Goo goo g-joob!

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Wouldn't it be interesting to see *just that* in the New York Times...."Self-proclaimed channeller JZ Knight - teacher of "CREATE YOUR DAY" - has property wall crashed into by Iraqi vet on his way home from working the nighshift. How's THAT for "Creating Your Day?" (could be...

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Quote: ""Very well said, Steve. I should mention people in town get tired of the NVN front page stories that show narrow and small-minded views, week after week, month after month. NVN has wasted their full potential as far as reaching the many who want to be informed of the important issu...

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Steve Klein objected to the report of a news story, which would have made front-page in a larger newspaper? Or is it simply - jzrk's "create your day" didn't have this "event" on her list? Blatantly contradicts the RSE teachings. "Oh yes, let's have an Iraq veteran, working ...

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Oh, don't do that, Whatcha. I hope no one took my post to mean I was poking fun at the craziness of jzrk's borrowed "inventions." Hey, I drew blue stars on all my, uh, "seals" as instructed (although I felt really *weird* about that!..lol...Greg Simmon's words were: "Just re...

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The more I read about the things done in the early days, the more I do a headthump on the table. HOW could I have NOT known these thing? I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER would have gone to that freezing muddy ranch if I knew SO much of this. Rock on the head to open the brain? Let me guess, jzrk's 'rock' was a...

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Thank you for the links, Joe. Yes, we can create our reality, in some senses, by hard work, motivation, and not giving up. But simply wishing it into reality by the recitation of a "list" just isn't going to do it! Now, more than ever, in a new era, as mentioned in other posts - the people...

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Just another not to you, JZ, if you're reading.

You can't buy love. It simply is.

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Maybe he will, for his own sake. It must take some time for him to digest it all as far as the teachings - if he knew the "pretense" behind them, then perhaps he won't have as difficult a time, for he would know the truth. It is too bad his new lady is still in the school. Maybe he can hel...

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What a beautiful, beautiful day...thanks to the 2 million plus - with love and hope for the future!
Focus on *that* RSE!

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"""or deferring to his cosmic wisdom"""

More akin to "comic" wisdom! - were it not so sad!

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""What one-liner did I miss that might make me miss the
next boat to ascension?'""

Don't drink and swim.

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Joe writes: "What and who can I trust now?" Excellent, excellent point, and exactly how even I felt, while not being in RSE for quite a year. I now know that in terms of spirituality, etc., I can only trust myself, and in that, try as best as I can to live with compassion, love, and tolera...

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Thank you!

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He's out there floating another timeline, Whatcha!!

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:lol: Whatcha!! I remember, after I was awakened by the carbon monoxide detector in the rented RV (went off, thanks to all that is) due to the propane heater not functioning), and I dragged the blankets and ran through pouring rain into the hall to sleep, around 4am. Those blankets came in handy, si...

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The ice wasn't "blue," was it? (just kidding)

It would be interesting to see if that is a weather phenomena. I've been in South France, and (sadly) watched while snow fell on the palm trees!!!!

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I feel the same as AD360 and Sara. We see the "smiling faces" (that sometimes tell tales, sadly). :cry: Wind, you demonstrate one "dimension" on your website and within your early emails to David. THEN - the words used change into something unrecognizable. Get help. Quickly, tryi...

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You tell 'em, Tree!!! :) How about a nice "Tandav," Wind? (yanno, the great "Cosmic Dancer Shiva" does this at the end of each cyle/yuga)....Hmmm....so wonder where jzrk, again, got her "blue body dance?" (multitude of places, but the reason Shiva has a blue throat is b...

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So sad, human behavior can be at times. I visited "Dance's" link as listed above, and it appears so gentle and sweet. Then I re-read the vitriol, Dance, and my mind cannot connect the two. Are those your words? Are you one of the gentle smiling faced? How easily we can be swayed by a smile...

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Thanks, Joe. I'm going to try and find these books. Bharati sounds to be one of those rare few, who place truth above self. If only more of his type were still around. My husband understands Sanskrit, and my sister-in-law and brother-in-law are actually fluent in it. It's a beautiful, rhythmic langu...

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"Agni prema?" Oh man already. Can't they find another language and other mythologies to imitate?!?! :shock: The world ought to learn Hindi, particularly those who start cults incorporating Hindi, as well as the hindu gods/goddesses (actually are one but "seperate" when Vishnu inc...

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David wrote: "Jai Satchitanand David. *********** Ex-Premie.Org, The truth about DLM. Prem Rawat, a.k.a. Maharaji, http://www.ex-premie.org/index.html" David, many others were caught up in that "Jai Shitagrande" :wink: (take-off from "Chitigrand" - one of Arjun's wives ...

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{{{David}}}}} It's a tragedy those with pure hearts, wishing in earnest to help the world, are lured into these groups offering such. I don't know much about this personality, but egomaniac (not trying to be judgmental just calling it as I see it!) comes to mind. Reminds me of how my Indian relative...

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You're so right, Tree. "Overcome thy body!" Whatever they teach, our body is "our temple." Our body IS important. Whatever the reasons, to learn, for our soul to learn and/or evolve - the body IS important. TOUCH is important. All of our human feelings ARE important. We ARE human...

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Sounds like a take-off from Lamaze class!!!! You have to find your focal point when you're breathing. This helps the mind to focus on something else and not the pain of the contraction. For me, it was the fluid drops in the IV bag. When they moved it, I vehementely protested to no avail. "That ...

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Your friend actually told you "Ramtha is always in Yelm?" There have been many events where jzrk aka "Ramtha" simply didn't show up. At all.
(Must be your friends "creating their day!" - living the sad fantasy.

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I could be wrong, but I thought there was more to the posts I read, or a longer post from "wind." It appears that "wind" was playing both sides - then severaly bashed David - of all people. Methinks "wind" is simply "breaking wind." Imo, it all looked to be a ...

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Methinks: "not really a "dancer," are you "wind?" (Mike - you're so cute when you're angry!) David - I suspect someone is attempting to get their hands on Judith's "plagiarized" teachings as well as her videotaped obnoxious behavior (and yes, she did "indeed&q...

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Backing up to Sara's post a few back - in Italy - you actually had -EVENINGS- to have drinks? :lol: Yelm doesn't have "evenings." The events last far into the night, and you're awakened early, in the dark, to go out and grid then do "the walk" or field work. Before breakfast. Abu...

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Good observation, imo, Sara. Did she ever "focus" on healing him?

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Good God! What a *total* farce of a country. Where is the international community?

Very interesting....and "enlightening" from both sides. Thanks, David.

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I'm going to type it: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! - I simply wish the very best for all of you - and the best gift of all - the love you share within.

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Living in the "great white," I can tell jzrk that right now it is anything but 'quiet.' The winds - they are howling, and it's certainly not "the big guy." I'm grateful our electricity is still on. Something to be said about living in very cold areas is that they are well-prepare...

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Koo -kook-a-joob (Humpty Dumpty's supposed last words before he fell and cracked) Unchained Melody? "Oh, my love, my darling - I've hungered for your touch-a long lonely time. Time - goes by- so slowly - and time can do so much-are you still mine? I need your love, Godspeed your love - to me. L...

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I felt very comfortable talking to David and Whatcha, and Joe, and allowing them to know my true identity. They have protected it well, and I suspect many other's are "protected" too. It is an individual decision, but I felt more comfortable after speaking with David and Whatcha. It was ni...

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