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by voidgate
Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:15 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Liberty and justice
Replies: 19
Views: 6720

David, To be honest there are so many officials that are incompetent, don't know their own laws, don't cross reference their laws it is quite possible that a lot of people writing to the AG will not work. I also know from reading the Washington AG website that if the AG does not do his job their is ...
by voidgate
Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:40 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Liberty and justice
Replies: 19
Views: 6720

JTR, I have thought of it many times as the whole procedure can be minimized as stated on another piece of writing (where the AG response proved intent ). However I have had so many legal complaints to do in the neighbourhood I have not had time. Other people in my community do other jobs such as pr...
by voidgate
Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:07 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Liberty and justice
Replies: 19
Views: 6720

Ex, The legal profession is not what it appears. The legal profession is an illusion. Most people think they fight for legal principles however it is not the case. They fight to deceive the other side. They do not actually stand up for legal rights. They stand up for their client and try to defeat t...
by voidgate
Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:24 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Liberty and justice
Replies: 19
Views: 6720

Liberty and justice

I can't stand the consciousness of RSE incorporated but what I finds even more incredible is that in the great land of liberty and hope that I have enough evidence legally to incriminate a cult leader and it is almost unheard of. Incredibly enough Ms. Knight's attorney has done that however to convi...
by voidgate
Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:31 pm
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Ms. Knight's attitude is everything
Replies: 2
Views: 2734

Ms. Knight your modesty in the arena is remarkable and what is more remarkable is what you do behind closed doors. Ms. Knight uses all sorts of imbecilic little things to control her life courtesy of Monkey Business Incorporated. The example they present to the public is called monkey mind in the ol...
by voidgate
Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:26 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: James Allen's Transformational Classic As A ManThinketh
Replies: 20
Views: 6279

I cannot see that Caterpillar has been attacked by anybody. It seems like the above writer is very confused. Caterpillar is an excellent writer providing a lot of credible infomation. The writer seems to see things where it does not exist.
by voidgate
Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Abuse in Guru-Disciple Relationship
Replies: 4
Views: 3127

In hindsight I would never take any offer unless there was credible evidence that benefitted a lot of people. I trusted that I got a teacher and all I got was someone that destroyed my life. That is not what I paid for. It seems like the same formula applies to many such businesses.
by voidgate
Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:45 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 51226

Sad Grandfather, When most people take up a study they perceive they are getting something of lasting value that benefits their life. In RSE it does not work that way. The corporation owns it all sooner or later. Furthermore if someone tries to use it for any personal gain they usually have a legal ...
by voidgate
Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:55 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: James Allen's Transformational Classic As A ManThinketh
Replies: 20
Views: 6279

Spiritual language

Ms. Knight has been heard by I to use very strange language on a hosted radio show. I thought it crazy sort of stuff as it was meaningless and the radio host had to pretend it had some value. When I look at Compassion's posts much of the language is similar to that. In one post it is the ultimate to...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:33 pm
Forum: Pseudoscience & RSE
Topic: What the Bleep Movie - Is it Real Science?
Replies: 18
Views: 7270

Thankyou for all your efforts in providing so much information David.
by voidgate
Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:47 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Ms. Knight's attitude is everything
Replies: 2
Views: 2734

Ms. Knight's attitude is everything

Ms. Knight controls people in a variety of ways. One of the ways is to diffuse their thinking whenever anyone tries to take some sort of legal action. She goes to lengths that are absurd. Someone I know got accused of violating copyright because they took notes shorthand at events. She duplicated he...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:28 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: JZ & Developers Duke it out
Replies: 11
Views: 4360

re: Whatcha's post starting this thread. Perhaps someone locally would like to go to Thurston county and have Knight's operating permit evaluated. It is possible Thurston county is quite corrupt. I perceive it is probably the case as I know from my own situation that unless you investigate personall...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:48 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 51226

If you look at the above RSE always judges the customer and blames them. I knew a lot of people who put many hours daily into their disciplines and focus and it did not get them anywhere. There is no need to worry for anyone who does not do their disciplines enough because it won't get you anywhere...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:26 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 51226

Cards

Caterpillar, I just read your first post that initiated this thread. This is relevant to your question about Kenny. I used to spend many hours focusing as I was unable to find work in the Australian labour market. My skills just don't fit into the workplace structure at all. I no longer attended RSE...
by voidgate
Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:12 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Channeling Jesus..! The Sworn testimony of JZ Knight..
Replies: 12
Views: 7474

Caterpillar, People get away with things in court because lawyers try to mislead the other side and the judge and if no one furnishes sound evidence they are lying they get away with it. I have witnessed this strategy recently and realize that the legal profession is quite corrupt and if you know th...
by voidgate
Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:54 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Washington Bar Association
Replies: 3
Views: 2883

Unbound, You are correct. There is more in the PRC document making a strong recommendation. Volunteer work seems to be fashionable in the USA. I did a huge amount of it on hiking trails and fortunately I was financially supported to do what I enjoy. It was amazing to me so many people wanted to do i...
by voidgate
Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:02 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Washington Bar Association
Replies: 3
Views: 2883

Pro Bono work

Taken from the Washington Bar Association's Rules for professional conduct RPC 6.1 PRO BONO PUBLICO SERVICE Every lawyer has a professional responsibility to assist in the provision of legal services to those unable to pay. A lawyer should aspire to render at least thirty (30) hours of pro bono publ...
by voidgate
Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:57 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Washington Bar Association
Replies: 3
Views: 2883

Washington Bar Association

I have been looking up some of the laws of Washington State and found lawyers are under the ethics rules of the Washington Bar Association. A lawyer is prohibited from counseling or assisting a client in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent. A third party also has the right to obj...
by voidgate
Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:28 am
Forum: For those who hold a positive experience of RSE - You are welcome to post here.
Topic: Or was it a practice run???
Replies: 1
Views: 2645

Around 1992 people were getting emergency supplies and putting them in a backback because Ramtha did not know what he was doing and told the people that it may be required to march out of the area to a location designated by him to safety. He appears to be reliving his ancient times as depicted in t...
by voidgate
Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:18 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Ramtha ?virus? spreading?
Replies: 18
Views: 6024

The destruction RSE causes is not as evident to people who do not get heavily involved and give it their all. They will lose a bit of money and not make risky decisions as "they aren't converted to the degree they believe they are the chosen people whom Ramtha has called to be with him (at a price)....
by voidgate
Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:02 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Australia 2007 predictions
Replies: 48
Views: 12993

It is preposterous that a dog may give the secret hiding place away rather than the fleet of contractors that would be required to build an underground shelter for a horse. The council might also give it away as the person would have to apply for a building permit or go to court. If it is in a remot...
by voidgate
Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:02 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Australia 2007 predictions
Replies: 48
Views: 12993

quote]At my followup event in Yelm of March 1990 "Ramtha" spoken directly claiming that he will protect and watch over our loved ones if we have to leave them behind and made RSE the most important thing in our life....![/quote] I remember that as well David. In hindsight Ramtha looks like a religio...
by voidgate
Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:00 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Objection
Replies: 12
Views: 4969

Objection continued

MY mother has had to put up with a daughter who took a fraudulent offer and as a result it is very humiliating to have a 31 year old daughter unemployed. It has destroyed my family. My employment was part of a family farm. Farmers in Australia are in the minority. A very small percentage of the popu...
by voidgate
Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:39 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: JZ?s paid advertisement
Replies: 3
Views: 2449

The community in Yelm was hit by the recession when there was no recession ! Ms. Knight has also had students that have committed suicide. I heard a story told to me by someone who attended their secondary group retreat. It was a required event. In those days the two main groups were called secondar...
by voidgate
Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:43 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Moderation
Replies: 10
Views: 3815

Moderators, I will address this on in private as I do not see this is useful on a message board. Please in future do keep it private if you do not understand something.
by voidgate
Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:07 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Moderation
Replies: 10
Views: 3815

David, I agree.
by voidgate
Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:28 am
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Freedom
Replies: 0
Views: 2770

Freedom

I joined RSE and we were asked why we were there and to think about the reason. My answer was I wanted freedom because I know that when you are human there are conditions in life that have no solution. RSE offered solutions based upon quantum science and it has been totally misrepresented. The evide...
by voidgate
Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:09 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Moderation
Replies: 10
Views: 3815

People do not read this message board to get enlightened. They read it to find out what goes on behind close doors on RSE. If there is no publicity they keep getting away with it. When I wrote the above Grandfather I did write something that was about a private communication. I normally do not do th...
by voidgate
Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:57 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Objection
Replies: 12
Views: 4969

Caterpillar, I remember I did try that some years ago. My memory is fading in the issue but I do remember that they said it was for a school education ( meaning standard schooling) and some other things that were not because of RSE induced poverty. I have never heard of anyone in foreign countries g...
by voidgate
Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:10 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: The summary of the earth changes
Replies: 0
Views: 2176

The summary of the earth changes

Revelations in biblical prophecy sums up the reason behind earth changes. It is to fear god and that is a religious concept itself. Modern sci fi never acknowledges god. When I look at sci fi the people use common sense and pure reason to analyze situations. They do not sit around waiting for god to...
by voidgate
Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:41 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Environment that I live in
Replies: 1
Views: 2965

This is the product of what Knight's school did to me. I used to have a life that had reasonable neighbour's and I used to have my preferences in life. the mind control in RSE manipulates people into thinking that a rotten life is a life well lived. So few people in Yelm have what they want and they...
by voidgate
Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:34 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Environment that I live in
Replies: 1
Views: 2965

Environment that I live in

My neighbour is a mechanic by occupation. He prefers to work on and modify cars in his backyard. He takes cash under the table and his auto machinery is very close to my home sometimes as near as 10 feet. He also tries to make extra cash by doing a variety of jobs such as carpentry, electronics and ...
by voidgate
Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:10 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Objection
Replies: 12
Views: 4969

David, My comment is "tongue in cheek" as there is very little evidence of genuine giving. JZ Knight has an unusual propensity that most people don't possess which is to give if there is personal value in it. To sum up her arena it is filled with malice against the audience because the people do not...
by voidgate
Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:18 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Life situations after RSE
Replies: 4
Views: 3490

Compassion, When you are living amongst people who have absolutely no interest in your personal life preferences they are likely to see it is a useless relationship. For your information it would mean that I enjoy the company of people who like rugby league football and announce that I have squander...
by voidgate
Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:54 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Objection
Replies: 12
Views: 4969

Objection

When people object to the writers on this message board there are people who have been influenced by the RSE education to the degree that the objection is unsound and illogical. People determine that others are most unfortunately occupied trying to recover instead of doing something that makes them ...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:43 am
Forum: EMF Debate Forums - Rules For Posting, How to post, Registration Agreement Terms and Contact Info
Topic: What it takes to be a master
Replies: 2
Views: 1938

K9 is a super intelligent being that has a supercomputer like the brain of a master. He never listens to the viewpoint of a fool.

A master does not need to adapt to other people's opinions.
by voidgate
Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:20 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Moderation
Replies: 10
Views: 3815

Moderation

When I put things on this website that are a product of my experience some writers do not agree that I have had the experience. They consider that the people on this website need to hear that they are the expert and I have no idea of what I am talking about. Whatchamacallit has no interest in lodgin...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:48 am
Forum: EMF Debate Forums - Rules For Posting, How to post, Registration Agreement Terms and Contact Info
Topic: What it takes to be a master
Replies: 2
Views: 1938

What it takes to be a master

My choice for analogy of a master is K9, the robotic dog, in the TV series Dr. Who. He is kind. He does not comply with other people's opinion unless he agrees with them. He does not control people and is not nasty to other people. He is comical and beautiful and I love him. He is the greatest repre...
by voidgate
Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:15 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: My concerns ...
Replies: 10
Views: 4367

Mr. McCarthy has been extremely unkind to Tree in the abuse on EMF thread. Whatchamacallit has also been unkind. Tree is in a situation where she has actually been sexually molested and given a lot of evidence for quite some time against RSE. Tree has been brave enough to expose her personal sexual ...
by voidgate
Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:22 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Life situations after RSE
Replies: 4
Views: 3490

Prior to RSE my life had many things in it that made me happy. My life subsequent to RSE has become a life not worth living as I have been turned into a servant for a family member who has quite unlike opinions and I do not want to live their life. RSE has instigated it by influencing me to make cho...
by voidgate
Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:16 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

I went to RSE in order to get the things that I want that I did not have and some of those things are paranormal. That was the offer presented at RSE. Almost all of the things in my life are things that I do not want. This is the product of what I was taught in order to manifest and the outcome as p...
by voidgate
Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:53 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: The Attorney General Complaint Letter Jan 3rd, 2007
Replies: 27
Views: 14004

What about the idea of a few people getting together and writing a complaint to the AG based upon common principles of objection. If the letter is formulated in a way that everyone agrees on perhaps people would be willing to sign sort of it like a petition. If a few people get motivated to sign it ...
by voidgate
Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:55 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

My dreams are of the unknown. Prior to RSE my dreams always formulated out of the unknown. My former life is unsatisfactory and yet relatively speaking RSE has given me nothing that is even remotely close to bringing me as much joy as my life on the farm did. RSE has trashed my life and put me in an...
by voidgate
Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:29 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching the Ramtha Cult? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Administration Information to Members of EMF
Replies: 6
Views: 3589

People have come a long way to actually be willing to object to RSE on a website like this. Years ago there were about five regular writers on FACTNet. Most were terrified of writing anything against RSE in public. It seems the fear was all an illusion as the website has prospered in bringing the pu...
by voidgate
Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:52 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: The Evening with Ramtha Events June 2009
Replies: 6
Views: 3174

The moderators have edited my word so insert instead " a tyrannical, mean being."
by voidgate
Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:13 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: The Evening with Ramtha Events June 2009
Replies: 6
Views: 3174

The wisdom I gained from attending RSE is that God is a ...moderator edit . I was agnostic prior to attending with an inclination towards being atheist. I considered the theory presented at RSE seemed plausible. The earth changes rubbish is smitten with underlying Revelations type prophesies that ha...
by voidgate
Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:22 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: RSE needs your money to build outdoor shower
Replies: 8
Views: 3315

I have never seen such an obnoxious corporation anywhere else. Of course the profits roll in. They are all over Knight's house and I have been told there is a lot of cash in her basement for uses unknown. I heard there were BARRELS of cash in her basement. When theft is blatantly in public view Knig...
by voidgate
Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:13 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Effect of RSE on Families
Replies: 3
Views: 2959

Effect of RSE on Families

Knight's school has wrecked the life of my mother. She has had to have a daughter living with her that can't effectively communicate with her at all. I have vastly different opinions on life that are about 180 degrees to what most of my mother's opinions are. There is no happiness, nor harmony in li...
by voidgate
Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:01 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Wine,Tobacco,Prozac. Consciousness Raising/Mind Control?
Replies: 3
Views: 2971

I would not believe anything Ramtha ever said in the arena. He has lied so many times it is hard to sort out fact from fiction. He has an appalling track record with prophecy. He has contradicted himself times beyond count and number. Ramtha was the magnet to get people in the door. I presume that i...
by voidgate
Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:42 pm
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

That's very kind of you G2G. When people write things that are concepts specific to a foreign country I have no idea of what they are talking about. Thankyou for clarifying it.
by voidgate
Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:01 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

That's a really good idea unbound. Those sort of arguments that hijack an entire thread make really dreadful reading.

G2G I am not certain if you are trying to get some message through to me. Do you have something to say to me ? It does not make any sense to me.
by voidgate
Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:21 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

RSE stole my occupation. I was part of a family farming enterprise where the skills needed are multifaceted. I was excellent at certain jobs that others were not and they were good at jobs I was not able to do oftentimes because it was too heavy a job. I was infested with the parasitic mindset of RS...
by voidgate
Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:33 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Recovery
Replies: 9
Views: 4407

Recovery

My life has not recovered at all after leaving RSE. I have too low an income earning capacity to move to the country where I would rather be. I live in a non holographic environment where the people do not share my interests or think anything like me. Many people on welfare payments in Australia are...
by voidgate
Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:49 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: My sister killed herself after leaving this cult in 2006.
Replies: 55
Views: 18790

JZ Knight is a killer. People make very bad choices in their lives because they are misled into believing what they are taught works. There was a lady in her 70's in the school in the early years. She was affluent and retired, moved to Yelm and was a model student who did all her disciplines daily a...
by voidgate
Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:22 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Ramtha the Authority
Replies: 2
Views: 3019

I just read my old writing and I cant even stand my old joke. I would never trust that being in the arena ever again whoever or whatever it is. Trust and respect are earned not granted by wearing a label saying one is ascended without proof. The people are not treated fairly at RSE. The preferred se...
by voidgate
Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:32 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: EVIDENCE
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

There is no evidence that the AG office will not work as no one has tried to lodge effectively worded complaints in numbers. Legal investigators are not New Age people. A reasonable approach without all the spiritual mumbo jumbo might have a far better affect. A joint approach might go a long way. ...
by voidgate
Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:25 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: EVIDENCE
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

Con Man

Sounds like a great Nextstep for the believers would be to get deported so at least they get an air ticket home rather than a coffin courtesy of Yelm community fund raising. I was told all the AG offices work together so the Tacoma AG has access to all of the complaints. The complaint analysts are a...
by voidgate
Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:27 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: EVIDENCE
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

Thankyou Caterpillar and Joe for your information. I really appreciate the comprehensive detail about the Arabian horse scam in another thread : http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=6377&highlight=jeff+knight#6377 Knight has obviously scammed people from the begi...
by voidgate
Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:36 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: EVIDENCE
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

There is no satisfactory evidence that the purported healing of Knight had anything to do with whatever the children at CSE did. Double blind studies have not been done at RSE and there is almost no one that can accomplish and prove any consistent mastery at anything taught. If a mere few out of tho...
by voidgate
Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:06 pm
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: EVIDENCE
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

EVIDENCE

Whatcha Whatchamacallit wrote: Jay is correct that the US courts cannot convict a cult leader of fraud no matter how bizarre the claims or beliefs unless there is sufficient, incontrovertible evidence that the leader is knowingly lying and intentionally using "undue influence" [a legal term] to mani...
by voidgate
Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:37 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: unbound
Replies: 55
Views: 14711

Whatchamacallit wrote: Jay is correct that the US courts cannot convict a cult leader of fraud no matter how bizarre the claims or beliefs unless there is sufficient, incontrovertible evidence that the leader is knowingly lying and intentionally using "undue influence" [a legal term] to manipulate o...

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