The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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Merry Christmas everyone on EMF. Thank you for all your support this past year!!!!

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So glad you posted your story. Each and every one helps others. Each one shows another piece of the puzzle of deception and manipulation and of course we all have shared many of the same experiences. I think what is also telling is that you didn't have to spend an enormous amount of time there to ha...

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Cheryl, That was the most precise and well written letter I have read explaining what we believed and how we stayed. I am blown away. I hope you will allow us to post it on EE. I remember when I ran into you and your husband and you told me you were moving and my first thought was "aren't they ...

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Thank you so much everyone. I told a friend the other day, this is tough but not nearly as tough as how most have it these days. I do not have a child at Children's Hospital, I am not living some of the horrible existences that Judy's fraud caused and I am not without dear friends such as all of you...

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Anyone who wants to make a complaint about employment fraud with RSE this is a great time to do so. People are coming forward. If you would like to tell them about your experience go to this form (crappy form), just put it is concerning Ramtha School of Enlightenment and put a contact phone number w...

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Welcome Roy. It will not be an all at once experience out. You will find yourself in sudden fear "what if I'm wrong?, What if Ramtha is just testing me?" The mind worm as my good friend Anne calls it will last a long time. Luckily information that you were forbidden to read by Scamtha will...

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Here are all the articles and news reports so far on the recent story of JZ and Sandra Romero. They all have links to the right.

https://www.freedomfoundation.com/labor ... liticians/

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From RCW 9A.36.080, Washington State Hate Crime Law Malicious harassment — definition and criminal penalty. A person is guilty of malicious harassment if he or she maliciously and intentionally commits ….the following acts because of his or her perception of the victim's race, color, religion, ances...

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Agenda 21 is what ALEC and the Freedom Foundation are fighting against. Still think they are a bad organization Bettye? You have been lied to by the lowest informed women on the planet, JZ Knight. http://current.com/community/93928680_states-all-across-america-are-passing-legislation-blocking-agenda...

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Dear Bettye, thank you so much for your concern but if you are to send healing to anyone please save it for the manipulated followers of RSE who are clearly in dire need of help. I myself did not even realize how bad things had digressed there with your drunken leader who can not even keep up her ow...

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WORDS HAVE POWER This past week I sent out an email regarding former student of RSE, Virginia Coverdale who is attempting to bring down this great school. I have contemplated this and realize that she needs help as her mind is filled with anger and yes, fear. I am choosing to fear no evil and the w...

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I have to agree Robair. James certainly at the least questioned it, he actually may be able to plead dumb but he knows enough by now. He knows she lied about channeling Jesus, why wasn't that enough? He knows a lot but he doesn't want to give up the image of being big man on campus or potentially hu...

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Sent around in an email I believe. She says they are to code, that is why they are corrupt. They know she is not so last week I asked for the SUP that shows she can even operate this business there. They haven't come up with one in three weeks. So they keep saying "fire was signed off on" ...

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First of all Bettye, I wouldn't consider me a "newbie" I have been around the fraud JZ's Ramtha act for 25 years and in school for approx. 5 years. I have grown up drinking this Kool Aid. I am not working for Freedom Foundation, another absurd notion but I respect their principles and what...

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Bettye Johnson's letter and response This is for all even if you cannot vote. IF YOU CAN FOCUS, YOU CAN HELP. I became a Ramtha student in 1987 when I moved to the Sequim, Washington area. I was also a student of the first Beginners Event in The Great Hall in July 1989. I Treasure all of these even...

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I heard that there was a make out at a feast with Ramtha and someone. I never got confirmation or heard who it was with so I don't write things that I can't confirm. Interesting. Could be rumor could be true, anything goes up there. I am so out of the loop of school people that I have no idea what t...

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Ground Hogging...LOLOL Must add that to the Fookie dictionary. Freemysoul, as a decent person you would think she could possibly have some guilt in there. Reminder, sociopath, nothing there. Only emotion is when she loses CONTROL. The absolute phoniest person on the planet. It must be really hard fo...

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To the rest of you, thank you so much for your support. Yes, roast some popcorn and have a seat. You are going to want a front row!

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Well I have been so busy with this election I didn't hear my ears ringing. Welcome NACHOMAN!!!! I am so happy if what I wrote helped you in some way. Fear not for me my friend, I have the truth on my side and I will be quite happy to get my day in court. Right now Judy has much bigger fish to fry. I...

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If you are in a relationship with a sheep please realize that no matter what form of crazy you feel you are going through you are still more sane than you partner, JZ, or any of her followers because you are out. So there will be bumps in the road and sad times but the further you get away from the ...

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Anyone that understands a sociopath knows when they are losing control they lash out on what they can control. Pick on the help JZ, class act. Hey I bet she had someone else fire him, she seldom has the decency to do it herself.

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Did you hear these personally? Ramtha only knows what JZ Knows, if JZ sees an article that another Bush may be running there ya go. It's that simple of a scam, she just has to be one of the first to hear it. An attack on our soil? How hard is that to predict. I predict before the decade is over ther...

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And now the real speech...even dumber than my cartoon if you can believe it. I mean how many b.s. and low informed messages is she going to spew. YUK Anyone in Thurston County, please vote for Andrew Barkis and Karen Rogers. Two great and honest canidates. ONe is a republican one is a democrat so I ...

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It is never too late to post here, it helps others tremendously. Your story will have more of an impact than you know. When I first posted my story I had no idea what was about to happen. It was like an avalanche of wonderful people pouring out from everywhere, so glad to be free. You must have been...

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I am very confused here guys. I don't know a "James" who is a security guard but it isn't James Flick. He hasn't worked for JZ for years except to show up on the tank and keep his apron strings knotted in place. You either mistakenly mixed two people up or ran two thoughts together. Please...

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1370895 ... a-romero-2

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Well many economists have recommended gold as a hedge against inflation and the dollar being devalued. If a true collapse is to take place however then it is as useless in my opinion as money. If you can't eat it and you can't sell it then it becomes fairly worthless. I think barter goods are always...

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seriously wrote:I just did my due diligence and responded to a person's ridiculous post on the end of the world site.

Great response Seriously, it was very well written.

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I KNEW this was posted on EMF already but I coudln't find it. Well it's now under doomsday as well. In any case: Please comment on this article and on their facebook wall under the same article. Let JZ know how what you think about this. For the time being they still have this posted on Ramtha.com b...

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No, I will defend JZ here, she didn't make up the list. They ended up being legitimate locations of un-permitted properties owned by ramsters. Scary huh??

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I think Joe did a really good job on this article and this seems to be a good place to re post:

http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/txt/ram2.htm

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David McCarthy commented on (EE): Circa RSE -1990- Yelm. An urgent message was sent out by RSE that all students must attend an evening event. So I dutiful attended...most students were speculating it must be about the "new secret teachings" regarding Jehovah and his flesh eating reptilian...

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My friends Rebecca and Kevin were over this evening. Kevin was the County Assessor for Thurston County from 94-98. During this time there was concern that there were a bunch of UN-permitted houses with UN-permitted Undergrounds. Word was getting around that the assessors office was out looking for t...

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Thank you Robair!!!!!!

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http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Funification-church-founder-rev-moon-dies-92-185236876.html&h=GAQHaiRWZAQEozCpONU4v1fcweTsmUslnz5RdwE009hcn9g&s=1 Thanks to Steven Hassan for having the courage to call a cult a cult: http://freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=64...

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pope-bene ... ET8liJb0Z8

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... xual-abuse

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There is a difference between not being a "vigilante" organization, and feeding the problem by watering down the severity of the problem. I understand that the ICSA was not designed to be a legal service, that doesn't mean that they should undermine potential future cases with their belief...

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I have read up on ICSA in more depth. At first I thought it was just a support group for ex members of cults and their families. It seems however they have gone off the politically correct cliff by thinking they can "work with cult leaders to make improvements" ????? Really? Lets just work...

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and they're off...... This is why EE decided to remove the thread. Let me see if I can take any charge off of this topic: Any well meaning group designed to help expose destructive practices is okay in my book. The argument of first exposing the destructive practices in your own back yard (organized...

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It's possible she is just trying to take a step away from RSE. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Stay very loving with her right now and don't mention RSE at all so she feels safe calling you more often. This is just a suggestion from a former cult member who didn't want to hear anything from non memb...

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Yes more and more are going to feel safe to use their real names since the paper tiger has been revealed. Silvia here was very courageous to leave a job she really needed (RSE translator) on principle and put herself at risk because of her confidentiality agreement. She had courage to come out and n...

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The following was posted wednesday on Ramtha Australia & NZ: "I post this as a tribute to my Dear Friend & fellow student of The Great Work ... Wanda... who passed over last month. I witnessed her incredible strength, bravery & determination, refusing medical intervention, as she tr...

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Ex, did I miss something? Did Dr. Joe say or do anything against RSE? Of course the "army" is all of her disgruntled students pouring out of school and finding EMF and EE. Who the hell else would waste their time going after little miss white trash from cow-poke? The Illuminati?, The Gover...

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Thanks for this link Joe. We posted it on EE.

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http://ramtha.com/emailers/2012/0815_JZO/online.html Quotes from Scamtha at Assay "...and some try and get their own armies going. I already know retaliation, you think I am afraid? So many people think they are going to bring down the school..that will never happen"..and "The Ram, do...

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As I have always said people seeking answers are to be admired. Sadly there are always predators willing to take advantage of that. It is huge business. Once you learn more and more about the manipulative practices of many religions and organizations it leaves you empty for awhile if you are a seeke...

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I am pretty certain that she does not have AIDS. One, Jeff Knight was probably not sleeping with her since he was gay. Second it has been so long she would have had some more signs by now. Third I know James was not sick. He was with her 12 years and nothing. So, I think she just smoked and drank to...

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ON one of her "proofs" that she cured herself she wanted Kathy May (a local Nurse Practitioner, and ramster) to state that she had proof of JZs recovery from some lung thing. Kathy's husband Gregory, who sadly passed away a couple years ago, told me that he got into it with JZ because she ...

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We have no worries her about any waivers signed before an event. You can not use confidentiality agreements to cover up a crime nor can you use waivers to exclude someone from negligence. Those pieces of paper are fairly worthless. I don't think there are any "non compete" agreements. OMG ...

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Hi Eddie and welcome, We should all remember the stages of processing out of RSE. At fist it was "okay she is a fraud but I love the information and I'm no victim who is going to whine about my experience". It is such a predictable stance from someone who has just gotten out that I tend to...

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Hi Kensho, I found much of what you were saying prior to this post was out of having buttons pushed, I didn't completely understand which buttons. I knew it was more than about defending religion, it was about feeling attacked. We all hold embarrassment of how stupid we could have been to have gotte...

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Joe, I understand what you think your intent has been and I have always understood your dedication. The reason I believe no book has been written about RSE is there are only a few thousand followers and who the hell cares out there. There are millions of Catholics who might be interested in a book a...

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First, the posts that got moved were a cut and paste from EE. I am not all that familiar with the rules on EMF. I know Joe's post started a controversy on many levels and for many reasons. My partner considers himself to be a Christian and he believes that JZ is off base on a lot of her white trash ...

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and this was in reply to a member who said "we DO create our reality":[/b] ******, we have not proven thought creates reality. It is my belief, it is yours, it is not proven. What the bleep is totally fanciful. It is not even scientific enough to be theory by people who really know science...

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I would like to post something that Brian (my partner) posted on EE and my response (this is how healthy couples discuss things, through facebook..lololol: Brian PROPOSED LIMITATIONS re: Breadth of Argument There are areas on both EE and EMF where discussion too often crosses over into the realm of ...

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I am not a Christian, my partner is. He has studied theology, greek and hebrew languages, etc... Needless to say this debate has been talked out on many occasions at our home. From what I understand this passage summarizes the essence of Christianity: Matthew 22:37-40 (New King James Version: 37 Jes...

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Hi Seriously, Oh yes the story sounds so familiar. For me it was my mother and brother. The only difference was I didn't actually go to RSE until shortly after I moved out here so I only spent about 5 years IN it but I can't discount the 25 years I spent being AROUND it. First all the videos before ...

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I liked Fringe for the concepts. Especially the parallel universe thread running through the latter seasons..however I was surprised how many concepts from the show were taught at RSE. I guess she watched it too. LOL

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Rooster, sometimes I think that the kids there are okay and really not being abused until I am reminded about the filth they have listened to over the years. I could never stand going to Ramster parties because the kids hadn't been fed and it would be 9 or 10 or 11 and the parents are drunk and the ...

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1352866 ... s-on-oprah

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1352714 ... -big-house

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Joe, Obviously I understand the pedophiles put themselves in positions of power (priest, soccer coach, police officer) so the priesthood does attract that element however I know percentages would say there are no more than in the general pop. The problem was the church covered it up. Too many people...

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On the differences between the Catholic church and a cult. I was educated on some of the points made however I do have some exceptions: Yes, you can leave whenever you want but the threat of hell if uncompliant IS fear mongoring. You can leave many cults whenever you want but the fear of not ascendi...

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Thank you Lost in Space. Great way of putting it!!

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I think the larger point to the subject of UKgirl's conversation with Lipton was that it was one more stolen work by JZ. Now it won't be the first time she stole scientifically unproven material...but even if you steal a fake diamond you are still a thief. Also Joe even though I appreciate you debun...

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She is the gift that just keeps giving!

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1351225 ... -nightmare

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Coffee and Chat. All invited. Where: Tim's Pharmacy (corner of Yelm ave. and 1st st.) When: Tuesday June 26, 2012 at 3:00pm Life after the fraud of RSE continues! This week's topics will include how to convert undergrounds to swimming pools with money coming in from Omega. Hope to see you there! :D

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Hi UK girl and welcome!!! There isn't a feeling you are having that we don't understand. There will even be times you will question yourself, even with all of the evidence against JZ. Know that is part of the program. You may go through "then what is the point of life it not this?" thought...

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Hi David. We are happy to provide an additional communication tool that provides support and information regarding the RSE fraud. Facebook allows us to have a flowing conversation. However, unless you set up a mock account we can not guarantee as much privacy as EMF provides, even though the site is...

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Sorry for the short notice. We sent an invitation on EE about this and neglected to post here at EMF, so sorry. If you can't make this one there will be many more: Where: Tim's Pharmacy (they have a new coffee shop inside) 3:00 pm Tuesday June 5, 2012 Anyone wishing to have some great coffee and cha...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfm71I0 ... ture=share

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gTT7LA9 ... ture=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXFz9hsW ... el&list=UL

These explain a lot. Thanks for posting these on FB V.

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My friend just sent this article and I think it is exact in its description of Judy.

http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/socio.htm

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Don't worry if you have been identified. Your friends will increase, some RSE members will be upset at you a bit but remember, THEY aren't horrible people, they just want to believe in her. They may try to defend JZ but in the end they can't. They know the false predictions, the nonsense, the drunke...

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The lady who made the second one was better at putting in gestures than we were, it takes some patience. A third "JZ Rambles" is in production I understand. It seems there are others that want to make these. We really need an international contest. I would put up some cash but I am saving ...

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Hi California, a new friend from down under already got to work:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1331948 ... les-part-2 (DEAD LINK)

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Hi Kelku, I am so glad you posted!!! The more you feel free to speak the stranger things will get. I had friends contact me that had realized her as a fraud and kept quite because they still socialize with the community. These were people that used to sit up at the big house. I was very surprised. P...

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To all my new friends at EMF. Please enjoy.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13318129/jz-rambles . (DEAD LINK)

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To all my EMF friends. Please enjoy and feel free to share:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13318129/jz-rambles

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Milligauss fluctuations on magnetometer really don't mean anything If you were to get a counter and sit with it you will see it flucuate constantly for a myriad of reasons by as much as 100 milligauss. RSE is counting on you not to realize this or study this. The "scientific tests" are a ...

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I was reminded today that JZ has had a chat on her blog for some time, so I stand corrected. I will not purposely mislead anyone and if I find I am in error I will always correct it immediately. So, I apologize, JZ showing up on Facebook being as sweet as possible must have been a complete coinciden...

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It appears I have been "unfriended" by JZ on Facebook. :sad: JZ, I think you kind of unfriended me when you lied and told everyone you saw me having anal sex with your boy toy... By the way, why are you still so upset with me? I mean haven't you been able to buy anyone new by now? I hope f...

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So now JZ Knight is reaching out to the "folkies" and actually talking with the "nobody's" for the first time on Facebook. It must really hurt to have to eat so much humble pie after she knows that everyone is finding out what a fraud she is. Damage control..cute idea. "Oh m...

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I think its funny that everyone believes we're "angry" people. I have never been so happy to have gotten out of that cesspool. I mean we aren't the ones afraid to leave town because "the big one" might come..we aren't jumping into holes in the ground. We aren't paying JZ to defec...

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Thank you all for your letters. I would like to respond to a couple of points: 1- I have no evidence of an actual "affair" between Lars and JZ. I do know she was trying to seduce him, but I would never want to suggest that she succeeded. I guess it's difficult for me to believe that Lars w...

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Hello everyone. I have been referred to as “V.” I am the person who was blamed for James Flick and JZ Knight's break up—although, as we all know, you can’t break up a happy couple. I take responsibility for the justifications I made to myself regarding how I got involved in the situation. I want to ...

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