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MindState

@ freemysoul I don't mind you speak your truth at all. However, I caution you to not be putting me on no pedestals!!! I met a lovely gentleman the other day....a little handy capped in the sense that he uses crutches to walk. It's just that he learned a simple lesson (the hard way). A lesson I almos...

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@ forever

I'm sorry it is so painful! We are here to heal. Ramtha is just a 'character'. Can you imagine......you 'are' a 'daughter'. Why did 'Ramtha' not show himself to anybody? The message came through a woman. There is no 'fiction' about that fact. :)

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I have no choice but to keep this short and sweet. I am not here to tell you that 'Ramtha' is real. That's up to you to find out. What I am here to tell you is something about 'universal mind'. It's a 'singularity'. The number '9'....Dial 3-6-9....3+3....=6.....6+6=12...1+2...=3....3 and 6 are oscil...

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@ forever

I can't answer that question. It's personal.

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Here's the problem. You have to 'pay' lots of money. Lots of it. You have to 'be scammed'. And then you have to have something to be 'at war' with. And nothing can escape your 'judgement' about it. If you intend on 'banning me'. I recommend you do it quickly. Because I will not change what I am doin...

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And no I am not drunk. I am high on 'life'. You have never seen me 'drunk' here.

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@ Dave, I have respected you to the highest of my abilities so far. I do hear what you are saying totally. But what you are proposing is that I can't even 'be' anything here. I admire every one of your members when I come here. Everything about them. But you are hypocritical in so many ways. You are...

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@ Shocked and forever. I have experienced these same feelings you have a thousand fold. So we are going to have our 'justice'. As much as life isn't fair. I sure as hell wish it was. I know of course that you guys don't 'judge' or have any 'measuring sticks'. So I am going to 'fill you in'. Nothing ...

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The 'simplest' of things will 'tear some people to shreds'. That is why I keep my self a secret. No one I ever meet 'offline' can deny. That when I talk to them, it is all about 'them'.

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forever......I am some dude out in the world right now. I would hardly hurt a fly. Would you believe me if I told you that many people who see me on the street are freaked out of their wits? I'm not hard on the eyes to look at but come on! Come ooooon! We need to separate 'fairy tales' from 'reality'.

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forever....I have no affiliation with RSE anymore than you do. I'll keep my eyes out. I don't want to see anyone get hurt from cults.

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Oh....I thought that was a 'complement'. What shall I call you?

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The other thing I wanted to say about you is.....I think you're beautiful. I admire the beauty of all you freaks....every time I visit these forums. Ha ha ha!

MindState

First of all, there's not something like a real 'school' that can teach you that 'God lives inside of you'. It couldn't happen. From the get go, it has to either be 'no kind of organization'...completely personal. Or a rough and tumble cult. RSE doesn't even shake that hard. It is totally full of 's...

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Also, I know some of you hate it that I don't think her 'scams' are 'wrong'. It isn't enough that I 'Just don't like it'. But............I could fill a whole book up about FACTS about 'you'. It would be an enlightening read for sure. Would make me 'proud' of myself if I had any 'pride' at all. I don...

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@ forever I have known more despicable people that are 'ramsters' and also non-ramster. Judy doesn't come close in my eyes to how despicable everyone else I know is. But..........this forum is about 'exposing' that cult. And that shall be my main focus here.....if I can't 'enlighten' you guys (for f...

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Can you PM me the link?

RSE won't mind. My 'anti-judgement' nature is down right ridiculous.

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@ Dave Thanks for posting this! @forever I've never seen that Linda Evens rant. It sounds familiar with the scam I see as RSE. Do you have a link to this rant? I might watch it one day when I just want some s**ts n giggles. LOL We have some more crap to 'clean out' ever more ever more.....I'm on the...

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Forever,

If you ever find your self with 'problems'. Remember this: The 'only thing that is real' about any 'problem' is the 'meaning' you assign to those problems. Simple!

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@ forever, I have seen 'everything' there is to see at that RSE cult. I have seen every kind of student you can imagine there. There is nothing I could see or be informed of there that would 'shock' or 'surprise' me. I truly want nothing to do with it. I have been homeless and slept with the lowlies...

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Forever, 'Evolved' or 'spiritual evolution' to me is simply becoming the most 'authentic' and 'refined' version of your self you can be. As far as the capitalized spirituality and destructive nature of the 'cult' that is RSE. We are exposing and picking apart that pile of crap on these forums. 'That...

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Whether Ramtha is real or not.....I agree with one thing for sure Judy is the suraman of RSE and the 'cult leader'. We are exposing that woman and her dark cult! On another token, I don't believe it is 'wrong' what she is doing. I just don't like it. I'll tell everyone I can 'facts' I know and do al...

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There many 'facets' to this story I believe. On one hand, I have never seen a change in Ramtha's basic message. I've hear old tapes from the 90's where Ramtha was delivering stories and material just as inspiring and wise as recent times. On the other hand, there are times I have observed in Ramtha ...

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You mean 'disappeared' in the sense that they stopped selling them? I've heard teachings from all periods of RSE history. When I was a new student, I was soaking in a lot of them. I remember mostly how the message has evolved I think.

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I have my own views about this...however I can not 'prove' or present a solid argument of whether JZ is really 'channeling' Ramtha or if Ramtha is real. My opinion is that JZ really does channel Ramtha. But not all the time. I believe that sometimes Ramtha doesn't come down...however JZ still needs ...

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forever wrote:MindState--

Are your materials pre or post 2000?

Forever

Mostly 'post 2000'. I think there is one or two from before that. Why?

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Oh and forever, Beautiful forever.....I 'did' teach you how to do 'magic'. I assure you with....all I own...my house ...and the kitchen sink that I am 'no performer of cheap tricks'. Again you will hear my voice telling you what you already know........... "know thy self" When you will do ...

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* I will note in bold............sometimes people 'do' appear to go crazy from time to time. However, it is truly crazy to assume you know what you are 'observing'.

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When we look at 'reality' we hopefully will come to realize that 'nothing can be proven'. When someone out there 'wins the lotto'.....the 'path of how they secured that win' is infinitely unknown. This is why it is completely crazy that RSE is celebrating these wins as 'attributed to the great work'...

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-Moderator Comment- A little Housekeeping. MindState's post's "Can we 'wonder' off into the stars tonight?" have been split from > View Topic: Separating fact from fiction. CT http://enlightenmefree.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2457 and moved to our Off Topic - Recycle Thread. Thank...

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Hi forever, I don't know what to say to this. The material in my possession is sitting in a box and collecting dust. Sometimes I had wanted to burn it. When my last day of high school cam to pass....my friends and I got together and burned our text books. And we played "School is out for the su...

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* Thanks moderators for splitting this thread! @ everyone........just for fun. This is just for fun.....relax! God knows how much I have drank tonight and am now resorting to tea and getting a little tired of this non sense! Things have just gotten silly. So for fun, ........I will let you know that...

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freemysoul, You're beautiful. Come on.....'relationships' are about 'trust' and 'understanding'. I'll never trust you. And you will never understand me............My hero "King Buzzo" of the Melvins sais this. So it is my 'philosophy'. But I'm kind of down at the moment. Will you please ge...

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The objective is to 'serve'. ......................The only alternative is to 'bottom-feed'.

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The 'white book' is not in my vocabulary. Nor is anything affiliated with RSE! Please, if you have to address someone....address this crazy nut right here! I can't 'reveal' my 'motivation' to those who can't even 'see' me no matter how hard I pound my ass on the pavement to 'serve' your ass some lun...

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What if I told you that I 'forgot' that 'facebook' existed quite some time ago. Because as the Ram say "the world is not my facebook"! Would you 'like' me then? Fuck 'all' who can't "Simple.....consistent.....love"! You are worms.

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What if I told you I have been 'broke and homless' before? Would you 'like' me then? What if I told you that Judy (JZ) is the 'Ronold Mc Donold" of RSE? (I....Haaaaaaave............Aaaaaawaaaaays) Would you 'like' me then? LOL

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Very well put freemysoul! I will remind those who read that I have never spoken a single lie on these forums ever. I have never plagiarized anyone. I am my own. That is a FACT.

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I am a simple man that love god and everything else. You will always wonder about me.

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The most powerful beings in the world are the 'simplest' of things. Our Dear 'Henry Rollins' screamed 'You never dig that hard...until the devil's in your back yard" in the song "inilate" by Black Flag.

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Thousands of people go to RSE each year. I wonder sometimes how one can 'teach' all of them? Personally, I accepted 'the keys to heavon' when the Ram gave them to me. And they are my big-ass-sword. I am a humble owner of these keys. These are the same 'keys' I have given all of you. And I didn't jus...

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Woopsy daisy! Sorry Dave* I called you 'Chris'. LOL That was a mistake.

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Ramtha in all the chaos of RSE 'did' in subtle ways for sure warn people to leave the school. It is all there if they ever saw the bread crumbs he left for certain students with the ears to hear. Can we imagine that the wisdom of the Ram seems strange sometimes? Can we imagine that as ugly and destr...

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The Double-Fanged Vampire. A one..a…..a two..a…..a…three..a…..a four a million dollars! Ha ha ha ha ha! *Tell that count Ramula to give your arm back! In this post I’d like to explore the ‘double edged’ nature of Ramtha’s School Of Enlightenment. From the perspective of ‘reality’. Not from the pers...

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Hi forever, Thanks for a beautiful read! Actually, I wasn't going to post today but I am recovering from a hangover and so am going to write you while my head is recovering. About casinos, those ramsters and especially the 'shills' who play at the casino....they are just getting lost in a pile of cr...

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Yah.....we are going to 'flush some sh8 out' for sure! Just before I found these forums, I wrote on a piece of paper that I am going to root out what troubles me all these years about RSE and be done with it. For things like this are 'too much on my mind'. It gets in the way for me. And I am going t...

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One more thing David, and I wonder if we should have a thread just about 'shills'....or the 'hype about lotto wins and casinos'... But As a former ramster, avid student of the great work, 'student of the world', and observer....I can very much confirm that when you talk about 'shills' at RSE, it is ...

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Hi David, Thanks for this clarification! I understand better now. And this is indeed a very important topic. It's no light subject! I don't like RSE any more than you do. When I read the description of this forum...I was repelled by all the names of RSE disciplines....all the trademarking. I don't e...

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So if you ever hear me referencing 'the cards' in these forums.....I am referencing it in the context of a 'discipline' in general. Sort of like when one talks about doing any kind of 'meditation' exorcise. I prefer that 'no instance' that I reference 'the cards' that my threads be linked to RSE thr...

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What this means as far as 'disciplines' are concerned.........anyone in the world can practice the cards just as described in the Henry Sugar story....deminstrate it to the world........and with book in hand, say "I learned this by reading the book 'The wonderful Story of Henry Sugar'. There is...

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Hi David, I'm confused, I am pretty sure I posted this in the "general chit-chat' topic. The reason why? It does not belong to RSE. It is not an RSE TM discipline. It is free-game topic for chit chat. I can talk for hours about the cards and how it relates to RSE. I don't want to because it wou...

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I have a little story that may 'seem' from some perspectives like I am supporting Ramtha and RSE. That is not my intention with this post. Nor is it my intention by describing this one particular experience (of countless) of mine ...to sound boastful. Many years ago....somewhere around 2008 or 2009....

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This post is mostly for my brothers and sisters out there who love the story "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar". It isn't intended as a 'debate thread'. It is a F***-yah thread. You see..... in my 'contemplations' I have gone over many many many times all the 'why' we practice our work w...

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Hi forever, Thank you for your posting this! It was a beautiful read! And you are not alone. People are 'getting it' god damn it! And as you say, "RSE didn't make me...'I' made me". Yah baby! That is the way it is. And I agree fully with so many points you have expressed here. When you whe...

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Yes. RSE cult is a 'double edged sword'. And I venture to say that is a big reason why it hurts us so much and why it has become as powerful as it has as a spiritual cult. Would anyone like to explain 'why' RSE is a double edged sword here? Or shall I give my reasons?

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@ Joe and Shocked and others.. I think we all share some kind of 'pain' that RSE has inflicted on us. A deep lasting pain. A justified pain. I know what has dug under my skin about that experience and can relate very much to many of the things I've read in these forums. And I will do what I can to h...

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Yah a lot of people did think there were ships over the Ranch. I think it is so convenient to create 'mystery' around such a place that most people can't see anyway in order to brand the ranch as a unique place that people 'need' to be at. Speaking of ET, in some of my researches, 2 quotes by 2 diff...

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Indeed it is painful David. And thank you for keeping this site for all these years!

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Hello Mindstate, everyone. I have read your posts, most of them, enough I think. If you go into a Casino, and give money to that casino, whether you win or lose, doesn't that make you a gambler? Casinos operate under the principle of having odds rigorously in their favor, and every 'game' in a casi...

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Hi guys, I have this propensity of collect royalty free music and sometimes making meditation music compilations with them. Anyone else interested in this sort of thing? File sharing? I'm working on one now that has NES retro games (bring back the 80's) Mario and Zelda. For meditation. Any thoughts ...

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Thanks for sharing this David! I'm right behind you bro! If there is anything else you'd like to share please do! As I was looking over that settlement document....some very disturbing thoughts came to mind. JZ has basically 'brain-washed' all those people into protecting...defending.....and worship...

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Ah yes, one more thing......I have something 'constructive' for all those ramsters out there....and something that might be worth trying out next time you're at an event. Now I know this might be challenging to do.....but it 'is' possible to love the teachers and staff at your cult! Try this out: Wh...

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Oh also I 'do' give a lot of attention to this 'we/them' attitude because it really stinks. And the effects of this attitude are quite big. It explains a lot of the behavior we can observe and is why so many times friendships are found to be held together by not much more than by what one 'belongs t...

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Mindstate, Can you decipher this for me, I'm not sure what you are saying here: "Since I am not hateful, I have a mission for you. Go on the RSE newsletter website and scroll all along the 'student accomplishments' thread. If you see anyone mentioned more than once, keep an eye on them. And bl...

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For good measure..........I'll add I have focused "off-campus" with many a Ramster in archery. You would not believe the way of the disrespect certain ones have for their fellow human being when on the stantions side by side in what is supposed to be 'private focus'. One bitch couldn't kee...

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@ Freemysoul and everyone I can assure you, I'm no hatefull bastard. I have met rich people. I have met rich winners. People who likely if you talked to them have never heard of the word Ramtha. And they could take the casinos to the cleaners. But then their income would be take to the cleaner as we...

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Oh I forgot to add...about that there are only 'rare' times when you wouldn't be able to follow this principle in the casino. Those times are rare. And it is way you will have 'stop-losses'. :)

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Here is a little something from the back of my sock droor. If, you don't want to be a 'gambler'. Wonderful! If you like your games and would like to play off into the sunset happily and wonder if you can enjoy abundance and freedom and still play your games.....learn everything about gamblers you ca...

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This is all true. I was a student 2006-2009. I did all the disciplines....made my way from begginning to primary...to blue college...I drank all the flavors of koolaid. I assure anyone in doubt of their abilities or if they need to go to new events....see if a UFO is going to land this time ...whate...

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RSE has no science. They ruined the experiment! And quite frankly, I'd rather be clam digging at the beach and end the day having got no clams....than listen to JZ preach over and over "when we do our walk.....we see the word....."I"....stop....focus....see the werd....see the werd in...

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To everyone, It's a pleasure reading through this discussion and of your experiences! About RSE, it's 'shills' who have to have some dumb-ass story about everything that happens in their petty life to match every season....and everything else about it. Comes back to 'God lives in you'. If this is tr...

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I also can't help but adding with regard to so called 'disciplines'. Why would someone in their right mind spend all their 'passion' ...time ....and effort in a discipline that is trademarked and owned by someone else? I could never wrap my mind around that. You would have had to apply your self in ...

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Basically I wanted to leave a thought on the subject of 'moving on from RSE' and healing. If, like me, you gleaned something special from your experience at RSE and also felt a lot of pain from the experience and are reclaiming your independence and finding a happy life free of 'cult following'....I...

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Happy New Year Rooster! Thanks! There are many like us who have escaped RSE. I wouldn't worry too much about it's popularity as the signs are written all over the walls now that the school is a sham. RSE followers are taking their power back as individuals one by one. I think it is too much to expec...

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Mike, you could be a professor at St. Martins or SPSCC if you wanted. However, unlike the BS R$E teachings tell you, you have to work for those things. You can't just wake up, think it and make it so. So Be It. "I've always been a real college professor and people have always liked and respect...

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Thanks for sharing your story Shocked! It's interesting, I had a very similar experience with RSE life and I know others who have too. I'm sure most of the isolation from fellow students is that you have a 'free' mind. And your free-thinking mind reflects to themselves of how enslaved they are in th...

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There are many great posts here! I was just catching up with all of them. I'm late to this discussion. Instead of commenting on all of them....I just want to hone in on one of the biggest ones I see a lot. What about these "miracles"? Has anyone seen these claimed miracles at RSE? For me, ...

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@ Rooster I can sympathize with your experience of having loved ones in RSE cult. I don't have family there. But I still have a few old friends there who are devoted followers. I love them and worry about some. For example one of my friends gave up everything forever ago to move to yelm. She is alon...

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I think we've expressed enough in this thread about the authenticity of the 'great work'. Hopefully, readers will see clearly that it belongs to everybody. I will also remark that I have seen more great things done in the world by people who are not affiliated with RSE and probably aren't familiar w...

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Thanks Ochham! I agree mostly and these things can't be stated enough! Bless your families! As it sounds like a number of you have family in school. The reason so many in that school are poor is very much to do with that they are 'unprincipled'. They may have a philosophy but if they had any 'princi...

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Hi everyone, I thought I was complete with what I had to express in this thread up until now. And I will have to catch-up some time later with any previous posts or general discussions. There is more however that I want to leave here for now. Ever since I posted above about my old friend 'John' from...

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@ Rooster Hi, nice to meet you! Yah those are some interesting points! 'Freedom' has always been an idea that I can not let go of for myself. This is very much why I cannot 'belong' to anything. Also it's why I choose to keep most of my experiences to myself, be private, and work at self-reliance. I...

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@ Sera "Onward and upward" I love it! :) Thank you for sharing your story of your journeys! It was a pleasure reading what you were saying about your journey with the 'Henry Sugar cards' and 'seeing through the cards'....seeing that shadow appear! Nothing will ever be able to take that awa...

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What I find hollow about RSE as an outsider is that the instruction does not appear to connect the dots, but the RSE sales material suggests there is an enlightenment package deal. I suspect there is no spiritual package deal the same way there is no package deal for becoming a preeminent concert p...

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@ David McCarthy *Damn this discussion is going to be hard for me to stay away from! I want to address your post about 'shills' real quick before I leave the door. You make a very valid and important point about 'shills'! I support what you said completely there! I have no 'hate' with anyone I met a...

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Hi guys, This discussion has landed on the nail! I'm going to have to sit down and read your posts later. It looks like some good stuff! Just real quick.....I want to say something about that whole 'thing' at RSE about the casinos...and lotto...etc. 'winning' is NOT a 'HOBBY'. And there will be no w...

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@ Sara I have been giving some thought to your post. I feel that what you have expressed is very similar to many other people including myself in some ways. I want to explore this more here. Though it may take some time. This thread is for you! We have to start with something very simple. Everything...

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@ Sara

I hear you. All I can say is that you are not alone. Also you will need to control your self. And your emotions. I know of a great many who are able to make 'anything' work. I know you want to win. Please humbly join in line with millions of others! This thread is for you!

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I'd like to remember my old buddy John from San Fransisco. I only saw him at events the first couple years of my schooling there at RSE. I don't know if there is anyone I ever met at RSE I loved more. He was a black man. A humble janitor. We had this little special connection between us in our journ...

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@ Seriously & Sara Each of you make valid points. I agree with most of it. I also hope that those reading this will see that what we are discussing 'needs' some serious discussion. I've read almost no serious discussions about these things over the years. RSE is leading it's students in a carele...

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@ Joe Hi! With regard to Spalding and his works, I'm not too concerned exactly how authentic his story is as far as 'if he actually made the expedition to India in the late 1800's'. I've delved into his books and also read all the same sources and arguments about his life that you are proposing. I k...

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I had a thought to recollect here one more thing about the cult RSE and my experience there. At the last major event I attended in 2009 Ramtha said something I'll never forget. It was at the wine ceremony. I can't recall word for ward everything said. But the gist of it was this: "Some of you w...

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One clarification about point (5). What I mean by 'certain disciplines'. I make this point because I don't want to put down the work or disciplines. Also, I recongnise that they are 'intelectual property' that needs protection. True! Let me put it this way: For some years now the main discipline the...

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*@Seriously.....greetings!.....I'm not here to discuss my thoughts any more than I have to get some things off my system. I know this is a forum and everything is open for discussion. I am going to decline from getting involved in any more discussions. Is RSE a 'cult'? Yes I think so. I really want ...

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Hi David, ...Point understood! I can assure all of you that I am by no means here to 'promote' RSE. This is more to give my soul some piece about some things I have kept bottled in for a long time. If any of my post seems like I am 'supporting'....it is the knowledge I 'learned and applied' I am sup...

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I've been reading over many threads here and it seems there only 'black and white'. Either you are a happy RSE student labeled (Cult follower) OR.... you appose RSE...see it as a cult....and also 'appose all it's teachings and everything about RSE. Is this true? I'd like to express some things about...

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