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ordinarymind

I'm going to bed! I get a headache just thinking of people believing this crap! I am so nauseated by all of JZerox's b.s. predictions, self-promotion and deceptions that I haven't even had the motivation to comment on this board lately. Hi CD ...yeah, me too ...as more and more time passes since I ...

ordinarymind

Thanks for letting us know, CD ....I knew her only slightly but remember her as a dedicated student. I wonder how the RSE "community" is going to be able to rationalize the more and more deaths that will naturally occur as students age. Surely, you would think it would cause more red flags.

ordinarymind

also i realy apreeciate this board for the help it got me.to see that i am not a loony and not alone.there is the danger that emf is the next cult for me.my frind made me aware that i read this board together with the news.kind of obsessive when you look at it. Yes, I have wondered that about mysel...

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The poison.. Quote: You remove another one of my posts, and I'll just bring in a TON of real heavy hitters (you read: REAL heavy hitters) to this website and take it apart piece by piece.? ?Tell you what. In the interests of my former training and what I do for a living....let's make this quick. Yo...

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Geez, I think I must be getting to the end of my tenure here as everyone is questioning my personal experience and opinions. Likge G2G said, I?m not either . . .and I appreciate your posts and hope you will continue. This is complicated stuff we are all trying to process and I know I am learning a ...

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Hi Cerulean ?.yeah, good question ?for me, I found everything was up for questioning ?even to the point of questioning ?what is god? ?.and I?m still wondering about the latter ?I think there are postings on this board in other places where people describe the challenge of figuring out what to keep, ...

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Hi Pete ..and thanks for posting on EMF. I think I understand the desire to go to RSE to see for yourself what it is like ?and I appreciate you telling us about your experiences there and for being open to continuing the dialogue. Having said that, I want to be clear that I hold the same opinions an...

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Well, I too have my share of wine-splattered notes! ?.and I must admit, I enjoyed the wine ceremonies in the beginning ?they felt very freeing ?and, yep, I thought I was evolving, making new dendrite connections, opening up new neighbourhoods in my brain, receiving the teaching beyond words . .. ..r...

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ah yes, if I could only remember the number of times and the variations on the theme ...this is the capstone, the legacy . ..wait for it, we are "cresting" now ...everything up to now has been, well, preliminary ...ho hum

ordinarymind

Maybe this is a na?ve suggestion ?or a difficult one to implement, I?m not sure, but I?m wondering if it would be a good idea to ask everyone who registers on EMF to declare their ?status? before they post . . ..something like: - current RSE student - not current but still believing - ex RSE student...

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Thanks David for the great article ?and thanks AD60 for your post . ..I almost didn?t read the article David posted because it seemed so long ?short attention span this morning I guess!! ?.I think that is such an important point about the power of the crowd ?and I hadn?t thought of that before . ..b...

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Tree used this expression in a recent post and it hit home to where I am right now in my recovery so I thought I'd add a new thread for conversation. It's a new aspect of personal loss I've been feeling. Initially, there's the big loss of Daddy Rambles, of being able to talk to the wind, of being p...

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...and why do some moments of some of these damn videoclips still touch and move me??? Hi Sara ?well I think that?s pretty normal ?.for me anyway, the way I understand it is that the teachings touch something inside of us ?that?s how they find their way in ?nothing magical about that . ..I think al...

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wtf? Yeah, exactly . ..wtf? . ...I think I must have missed something while I was away on Christmas vacation? I get that message about "sorry the administrator has prevented you from sending a private message" . ..but that doesn't mean a conspiracy or anything ...sheesh ...what is going o...

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interesting topic. Working one's way out of such a complexity and degrees of emotions is totally individual. Blessings on your thought processes and contemplations regarding this topic, ordinary. Hugs, Tree Thanks Tree ...there's lots of layers there and I can see it will take a while to get beyond...

ordinarymind

Ah yes, "the great white silence" That is really so poetic - one of my favorites from old Rambles....wonder who JZ stole it from. Do you all remember the year that JZ had Ramtha talking in really horrible rhymes??? Said that he was getting coaching from a deceased English author (name esc...

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Hi C.D. ..glad to know it isn?t just me!! And thank you David for your kind offer to call me to figure out some options ?I do appreciate your offer and I will think about it ?but what I?m noticing is what?s going on inside me as I consider that possibility ?I?ve become accustomed to my anonymity on ...

ordinarymind

Hi David and G2G . . .thanks for the suggestions . ..increasing the resolution does allow the full text to fit in the screen but then the print is smaller and not so user friendly for these eyes that have ?always seen 20/20, for as long as I can remember?!! . ?the other suggestions don?t seem to wor...

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Hi David .. .I have a small request I?m hoping you can respond to. I?m noticing that some of the message board topics, like this particular one, don?t fit on my screen and in order to read the posts, I need to keep scrolling back and forth across the screen. Is that something you can fix at your end...

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At one event, I was focused on having an open heart and was contemplating generosity. So I put $25 in an envelope and tossed it into a random tent when everyone was in the arena during Ramtha's teaching. So I never knew who got the money and they never knew who gave it. The cash certainly did not f...

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I grew up in the snow belt. Blizzards were common. It was frequent for people to be up on thier roofs shoveling snow. I used to love going for a jog in the blizzards in a t-shirt and shorts. i heard eskimos dunk thier babys in icewater and if it dies the bad genes aren't allowed to reproduce in the...

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[quote="EMFWebmaster"]Posted by California Dreamin' I believe that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, which translates that God and ONLY God (not Ramtha, Lord of the Wind [yeah, right ]) is present in all places at all times, has infinite awareness and understanding of absolut...

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I?m starting another thread to follow up on my comment that I?m still trying to figure out who or what god means to me now ?.I?ve been listening a lot lately to Joan Baez new cd ?has anyone heard it? Not sure if I quite got all the words right, but here?s what I hear when I listen to her song ?God i...

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I don?t think I can buy into the negative ET theory, although it probably makes as much sense as any other explanation of what is happening in jz?s mind ?.but how would we ever know if it is true or not? I think I?ve landed at a place now where I?m not so much concerned with who or what r is or was ...

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Ordinary Mind, I respectfully disagree with you. My two cents - I think Truster kept the wisecrack in the realm of good form. Other terms I would agree would be offensive. Personally, I laughed when I read his post! Hi Wake-up ?thanks for your comment. I must admit I?m surprised that others didn?t ...

ordinarymind

Someone told me to look into the eyes would heal you. I remembered i had a book mark of those eyes. So I thumbtacked them to a wall. As i was going about my day and noticing these eyes they really started to piss me off. I think i let them piss me off for 3 more days and had to slam them back into ...

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"All you ever wanted to know about the maestro of mind control. Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, not around my eyes but into my eyes... " the above quote is from the Derren Brown website -- Haven't some posters here said that Ramtha told people to "look into my eyes"??!!! H...

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Happy Thanksgiving, Tree and everyone ?I?d like to add my gratefulness to all of you who keep posting here on EMF ?.I don?t post very often myself, but I do check in every morning . ..in fact, it?s my new way of starting my day ?much more ?real? than how I started my days last year, sitting outside,...

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Thanks, Oldone ?so lovely to re-read that quote. I burned my copy of ?Love Yourself Into Life? this spring, along with all my other Ramblers books ?re-reading your post hits that place in my heart that attracted me to the Ramtha teachings in the first place . ..the message of hope, the message of a ...

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Hi everyone ?I?ve been wrestling with this one myself ?I did burn all of my Ramtha books last winter ?.except for a couple I found this summer ?putting all those books into the fire in my wood stove seemed to be what I needed to do at the time .. .I sat with a glass of wine and watched them burn ?.I...

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She said, it would be like a death or a divorce. ?like going through a death or a divorce? ?isn?t that the truth. It took me a long time after leaving the school before I could approach the question of was Ramtha real or not ?.for months, I just let it hang there as I couldn?t face the question . ....

ordinarymind

Thank you for your post Tree, that is so moving ?.I was a current student when I began reading EMF ?I wasn?t even wavering really, even though I had quit once before (but that was because I thought I wasn?t ?getting it?, it was my fault ?as we?ve all posted on another thread ..) ? a friend referred ...

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If you're up for it, aussiegirl, it might be a good idea for you to go .....it was a huge red flag for me when a good friend of mine signed up with me for a livestreaming event - we watched it together and I got a good opportunity to see the event through her eyes ...and I must admit to being embarr...

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Then I looked into myself ? I too used to laugh at Ramsters ? when I was one (always hating that ?title?) ? there was always, in my perspective, a fanatical ?them? ? ?they? did bizarre things, ?they? went to extremes ? i.e. eating copper when copper foil to line your ceilings was recommended; or we...

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I watched Glen?s interview and have very mixed feelings about it. I appreciate David for setting it up and I appreciate Glen?s willingness to be candid. But I must admit to being left with more questions than answers after watching the interview. I don?t understand why Glen would have stayed with JZ...

ordinarymind

Yeah, I just got the email about this in my in-box now and feel disgusted by it. I keep "unsubscribing" to the email list but somehow keep getting re-subscribed . ..guess I'm not focusing hard enough on unsubscribing! I just feel so appalled at this obvious money grab that, again I wonder ...

ordinarymind

I feel totally stunned by the thought that RSE students would "drink the kool-aid" ...I'm not saying it wouldn't happen ...but I can hardly get my head around the thought that this "Great School" I used to be part of would actually lead its students to death. I'm not saying I don...

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Hi G2G ...I don't know for sure, but isn't Caris Hensley, JZ's first husband . .and the father of her two children ...I think so ...it would probably be in her autobiography if you have that book still.
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Hi everyone I am in awe of some of the exchanges happening on this site recently. So much caring and attempting to find clarity ?so much willingness to dig deep and try to understand another?s view point. Swami, although some of your posts are frustrating to me as an ex-student, I also appreciate yo...

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Hi All, New here and yes Iam a student but not current but respect the teachings and the knowledge.I know most of you seem dishearted but didnt anyone experience what rams teaching here. Hi Swami ...thanks for your posting. I agree that I have felt disheartened, as you say, especially when I first ...

ordinarymind

And of course being "out here" doesn't mean I don't have issues to look at or deal with. I just don't have that daily pressure to live up to being god. I find now in hindsight, that is a total misuse of time and prevents one from fully participating in all that life has to offer. Not sure...

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[quote="Tree] But I can tell you from my own past experience, it was wholly indoctrinated into us that these teachings were the best thing since sliced bread and that how much EACH OF US wished we had had those teachings as children. [quote] Yeah, Tree, you are so right about that! I can rememb...

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She will believe that "Ramtha".. is an all knowing and loving God..! a fatherly figure and spiritual teacher with supernatural powers, a ?Christ" no less, a personal trainer, teacher and protector, who knows her innermost soul.. Nothing could be further from the truth....David. Yes, ...

ordinarymind

A person is NOT the same once having been in this "invisible" prison. Even though JZR conveniently sais, "you can leave at any time, there are no seat belts here." Well, the bars are invisible to the naked eye, But very much in place in the brain. WOW, well-said Tree . ..I so ag...

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It has been my experience has been that now that I am out, I can really only help those who are THINKING about going into RSE, and those who have come out. I agree, Tree, that's my experience too. I've told many friends in the school about this site and only one person thought there might be some &...

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[quote="Whatchamacallit To make my point in this post, I will suffice it to say that I forever lost years/months/days of time with my children as they were very young and growing quickly, that I cannot regain. I resent that. I sincerely believed I was in RSE to attain the goals that the school ...

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I agree with Marie . ..this site is helping me come to terms with my 15 years at RSE more than anything else I've tried ...so helpful to hear other's stories and to see the similarities with my own experiences
Thank you for being here

ordinarymind

I just wonder about your comment about needing to face some stuff. Do you REALLY have to face it, when you can't change it, anyway ? What good can come of it ? I mean - I hear what YOU'RE saying, but it really applies to all of us, I think. Hi Watcha and everyone . .Watcha, can you say more about w...

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Hi AnotherDimension . ..I appreciate your post ..I too was introduced by a friend ...I didn't think I was on a "spiritual quest" at the time but my friend was so enraptured by the Hawaii videos so I agreed to take a look at them with him ...I had never been exposed to anything like channel...

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I don't even have a definition of God right now. Yeah, me neither and that's one of the challenges I'm facing with having left the school...what is my definition of God now? After 15 years of thinking I knew what God was .. .well, maybe not "knew", but I accepted what I was told in the sc...

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Hi ...I'm going to try posting again . ..I posted something last night but it seems to have landed in the ethers somewhere and hasn't appeared on the site so I will try again . . . I left RSE twice . .the first time was because of the wine ceremonies ...this is what I wrote in my journal the night b...

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