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by Another Dimension60
Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:35 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: EMF dirty laundry
Replies: 22
Views: 4216

Re: Cleaning up of EMF's dirty laundry

I chose not to post prior to today – because I didn’t want to defend or attack or be reactive; because what I saw happening with ‘just’ and indigo led me to feel like I was ‘between a rock and a hard place’/ an impossible position that no matter what I said, and no matter my intention, it would be m...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:24 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Do Thoughts Create Reality?
Replies: 69
Views: 13710

Re: Do Thoughts Create Reality?

it is very difficult in this moment not to be extraordinarily hurt, upset, angry and confused. Hopefully I can find some balance even knowing I should probably wait to respond - and recognizing I'm incapable of not responding. My apologies to free - I sincerely thought he was expressing hate for jz ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:38 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Do Thoughts Create Reality?
Replies: 69
Views: 13710

Re: Do Thoughts Create Reality?

please explain the vitrol in saying I don't have hate and I don't agree with you. Is that not exactly what "free" said - that he doesn't have hate for "just", and he doesn't agree with her? What's the difference - that he put more words to it? I'm wayyyyyyyyyyyyy confused here. Free erroneously made...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:50 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Do Thoughts Create Reality?
Replies: 69
Views: 13710

Re: Do Thoughts Create Reality?

free - as much as you have contributed here, as grateful as we all must be for your time and dedication to being a moderator -- it seems to me you are simply not hearing justtruth. Our first clue, that we missed/misheard is when she said "a sober moment" -- if we really heard, we can know that has t...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:29 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: A MUCH SAFER PLACE than where they were...
Replies: 13
Views: 2506

Re: A MUCH SAFER PLACE than where they were...

If the "students" of the mid to late 80s were so powerful in their ability to change the reality of devastation ramtha predicted, why did they need 7 years of enlightenment school? If the "students" of the mid to late 90s were so powerful in their ability to change the reality of devastation ramtha ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:30 am
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: Child abuse at RSE The Tank...a disturbing experience
Replies: 53
Views: 10039

Re: The Tank...a disturbing experience

one of my breakthroughs in awakening from ramthanosis was the realization that 'the tank' and 'making it to the void' had become/were in fact the 'social consciousness' we thought ourselves too enlightened to be bothered with. That instead of 'the tank being' about 'analogical mind' and a superior a...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:25 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: First DTCome Video
Replies: 11
Views: 1900

Re: First DTCome Video

the first dtc, perhaps in Denver, was in the mid-80s - no videos then, only audio tapes. The first mention came in the midst of other 'stories' -- then, apparently, jz saw the response to the idea and began using it as a main topic -- which generated multiple questions of am I safe where I'm living ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:28 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Ramtha school of enlightenment creates poverty
Replies: 12
Views: 2825

Re: Ramtha school of enlightenment creates poverty

yes, Vanilla, there are now many more alcoholics in the greater Yelm area than prior to wine ceremonies. Omega was also a very significant factor in people losing everything -- quit their jobs, got into drinking wine, lost their property, and in one form or another are living off other people.
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:14 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: a different perspective on rse/r and the questions i have
Replies: 7
Views: 1917

Re: a different perspective on rse/r and the questions i hav

iam - what you call/utilize as "focus" is called "mindfulness". Kensho can certainly 'teach'/talk/share re the source/reality/application of such. Aside from the idea of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater - i.e. that we each learned/gained from our experiences in jzland -- I'm reminded of ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:11 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: here is another perspective
Replies: 10
Views: 1963

Re: here is another perspective

"it brings back to mind something i actually learned from ramtha a while ago. when your ENTIRE ATTENTION is given to someone else........without your NEED TO TELL THEM WHAT YOU THINK OR HOW YOU FEEL OR HOW WRONG THEY ARE OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE...you most often bring them to a state of true appreciatio...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:38 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: And the appeal of JZ Knight's message is...?
Replies: 45
Views: 17293

Re: And the appeal of JZ Knight's message is...?

There seems to me a tendency in most responses here to 'blame the victim' - and at the least to make it 'them'/those people/younotme who were manipulated by your desires. Ironically its the same patriarchal reasoning fostered by jzk inc. I asked you those questions Ockham because even as eloquent as...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:52 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: i am new and so confused about so many things..........
Replies: 24
Views: 3563

Re: i am new and so confused about so many things..........

thank you Iam for your sincere and heartfelt sharing - and thank you Wolf for your superb summary re jz/ramtha 'loving' teachings. Many of us here have been 'where' you are now Iam as you extricate yourself from the jzkinc sugarcoated ball of entangled truth and caca. As you I was once certain that ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:52 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: And the appeal of JZ Knight's message is...?
Replies: 45
Views: 17293

Re: And the appeal of JZ Knight's message is...?

Ockham - do you own a cell phone or smart phone or droid or any one of those electronic gizmos? Do you watch the evening news? Do you vote? Did you happen to vote or root for Obama? Do you have a microwave oven?
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:23 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: Vanda Boone murder
Replies: 14
Views: 5038

Re: Vanda Boone murder

Blessings to you G2G - before you add more to your compassionate suffering, know, please know, Vanda wouldn't have 'heard' you if you had initiated a conversation re why you left RSE.... You couldn't have directly prevented this tragedy. you may or may not have seen in the info posted here, that Van...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:08 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: James Arthur Ray sweat lodge deaths
Replies: 46
Views: 9935

James Ray found guilty over Arizona sweat lodge deaths

from an online newspaper today.... CAMP VERDE, Ariz. — A self-help guru was found guilty of three counts of negligent homicide Wednesday in a case that shined a spotlight on a deadly Arizona sweat lodge ceremony that ended in chaos, with participants vomiting, shaking and being dragged outside. Juro...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:34 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Scientists are predicting low solar activity
Replies: 5
Views: 1976

Re: Scientists are predicting low solar activity

interestingly - in today's online Washington Post: The sun is waking up. And on June 7, it woke up Michael Hesse. At 5:49 a.m., the solar scientist received an alert on his smartphone. NASA spacecraft had seen a burst of X-rays spinning out from a sunspot. The burst was a solar flare — and a “notabl...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:36 pm
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Just need to say
Replies: 30
Views: 5232

Re: Just need to say

that's what I'm saying ex - that even though there may be genius in presentation, it doesn't make it 'original'.... The comparison was about the brilliance of performance, not the claimed source.
thanks for clarifying for others.
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:26 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: NVN Keven Graves Opinion post
Replies: 2
Views: 1485

Re: NVN Keven Graves Opinion post

don't count on it LAB. Graves has black and white hard copy evidence and video evidence and all kinds of evidence of 'what goes on there' and has consistently consistently consistently refused to print all the facts. David can tell you ad nauseum re his frustrations with the NVN. And, I must say, th...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:23 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Just need to say
Replies: 30
Views: 5232

Re: Just need to say

over 15 years after 'waking up' re jzk inc's ramtha I'm still learning and gaining insight into my experiences there. I'm particularly learning how I/we have gotten baited and hooked and so utterly manipulated. For me, as Robair, it took quite a while to recognize that there was always just jz - - a...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:44 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Just need to say
Replies: 30
Views: 5232

Re: Just need to say

Ockam - I was replying to Free's statement re people just seeing the negative in their jzk inc experience. There is a consistency of behaviors from day one by jz which have been previously enumerated - and yes, they've become more exaggeratedly and overtly abusive, and, nevertheless the same. And, a...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:33 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Just need to say
Replies: 30
Views: 5232

Re: Just need to say

a little emf history -- in the 'early' days of emf there was similar discussion - even the phrase used re not throwing the baby out with the bathwater -- many here, including myself, acknowledged valuable lessons learned in the experience with jzk inc. It was also mentioned that many learned valuabl...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:03 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Discrepancies and redflags
Replies: 4
Views: 1964

Re: Discrepancies and redflags

welcome justtruth - sounds like you experienced the jzk inc ramtha phenomena in the early/mid 80s. All the 'teachings' changed 180 degrees in '88/'89 with the explanation by ramtha = "I lied". two of the, (of many) such discrepancies - in the Dialogue days we were warned re belonging to 'groups' of ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:00 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Alcohol kills the new brain
Replies: 8
Views: 2169

Re: Alcohol kills the new brain

I thought the june thing was called off, so to speak - timeline changed???? Even more impact-ful and helpful to me is to recognize that rse is not a school or a religion, it is a profit making BUSINESS with the attributes/characteristics of a cult and nevertheless, as registered, it is a PROFIT...MA...
by Another Dimension60
Tue May 31, 2011 11:18 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Heartbroken after involvement with an Ramtha devotee
Replies: 28
Views: 7545

Re: Heartbroken after involvement with an Ramtha devotee

interesting and informative, Joe.... and, I'd add, ANYONE can be brainwashed/manipulated - even Ockam. JZ Inc's methods are (or results) are no different than the media, or corporate marketing. .... Without even listing what have been labeled "conspiracy" theories, Wikileaks has amply pointed out ho...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 30, 2011 12:58 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Conspiracy theory fuel - Yelm water spat and Sally Paulsen
Replies: 12
Views: 2653

Re: Conspiracy theory fuel - Yelm water spat and Sally Pauls

Ockham - if your theory re Sally is correct, Steve Klein would have fallen into and drowned in a septic tank long ago.... jzk inc and her minions have cost their beloved Yelm 10s of thousands of dollars and literally cost people their jobs. (not to mention the bankruptcy of the developers) --- for a...
by Another Dimension60
Sat May 28, 2011 3:21 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: JZ Knights Sally Paulsen comments
Replies: 3
Views: 1674

Re: JZ Knights Sally Paulsen comments

even if all the rationalizations are true re Sally's death - even if she 'created' it, wanted it.... the most telling point to me in these explanations by ramsters and rse is the uttttttttteeeerrrrrrrrr absence of heartfelt compassion..... Compassion is NOT just a physiologically induced emotion/fee...
by Another Dimension60
Fri May 27, 2011 2:23 pm
Forum: All Things Books - Debate
Topic: The Heart of a Cult by lena phoenix
Replies: 3
Views: 1442

The Heart of a Cult by lena phoenix

http://theheartofacult.com/essay.htm

Joe - are you familiar with this?

she has a link to emf on her website
by Another Dimension60
Sat May 21, 2011 4:59 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: should be under homor
Replies: 21
Views: 3469

Re: should be under homor

if you don't want to participate, then you should head west. If you stay ahead of the rapture, when you cross the international date line, it will be Sunday, and you'll have missed the whole thing.
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as appealing would say - too frickn' funny!! Thanks Grandfather!
by Another Dimension60
Tue May 17, 2011 10:43 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: NOAA article on 2013 severe solar storm disruptions
Replies: 9
Views: 2039

Re: NOAA article on 2013 severe solar storm disruptions

its been on tv and in Nat. Geographic -- where do you think Ramtha gets his info?!
by Another Dimension60
Sun May 15, 2011 1:36 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: Ramtha didn't allow homosexuals to be homosexuals
Replies: 7
Views: 2758

Re: Ramtha didn't allow homosexuals to be homosexuals

I can only speak of pre-1993, although there are a multitude of stories of anti-gay, wear frilly underwear, get straight stories of recent years. One of the first things I was told re Ramtha, by my hotel roommate/a stranger at my first Dialogue was that being gay was not ok. About 1986 the Ramtha 'e...
by Another Dimension60
Thu May 12, 2011 12:14 am
Forum: The so called Scientific Study on JZ Knight-Ramtha
Topic: Dr.Ian Wickram felony charges
Replies: 8
Views: 3599

Re: Dr.Ian Wickram felony charges

David - do you remember where Glen spoke of speaking to each of the "experts" at the motel - and he exposed each one as he walked by? Was it in the video?
by Another Dimension60
Wed May 11, 2011 11:50 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Is it "Family Feud" or remote viewing? SURVEY SAYS
Replies: 7
Views: 2468

Re: Is it "Family Feud" or remote viewing? SURVEY SAYS

Bless you Vanilla - you actually made me laugh :lol: :lol: Gold Discipline!! Nevertheless, just because scamtha has made a farce of remote viewing, doesn't mean remote viewing is a farce. There was a stolen gold story in Yelm -- except the boyfriend was accused - either or both of the folks involved...
by Another Dimension60
Tue May 10, 2011 10:57 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: abduction stories
Replies: 17
Views: 3598

Re: abduction stories

in the late 80's/just before jzk inc had come up with the RSE idea - a special event - Ram had women crying (with specialness) over their lost alien implanted babies - not good or bad, just a fact. Years later, post RSE, Ram told people not to be so proud they'd been abducted 'cause they'd been impl...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 09, 2011 1:08 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: abduction stories
Replies: 17
Views: 3598

Re: abduction stories

The utter irony, to me, and perhaps biggest 'tell' of jz's ramtha is how she tells on herself. That is - on the one hand ramtha rails against "The Church" - how it created the need for salvation and than ensnared people into its scheme for such salvation..... .... And then she creates/promotes/brain...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 09, 2011 4:05 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: In RSE- You can meet yourself after you are dead
Replies: 10
Views: 2278

Re: In RSE- You can meet yourself after you are dead

Miceal Ledwith is the RSE orb expert: from wikepedia: Miceal Ledwith, L.Ph., L.D., D.D., LL.D., was Professor of Systematic Theology for sixteen years at Maynooth College in Ireland, was Dean of the Faculty of Theology, Vice-President, and subsequently served a ten year term as President of the Univ...
by Another Dimension60
Fri May 06, 2011 12:19 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: to the rse watchdogs
Replies: 30
Views: 5191

Safeway and such

I think Vanilla stated in another post how ramtha asked staff what certain words meant -- maybe not --- nevertheless - over 30 years ramtha kept making the same statements of confusion or 'discovery' of a contemporary word, concept, or practice. A better example than Safeway(a grocery store chain) i...
by Another Dimension60
Thu May 05, 2011 12:55 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: to the rse watchdogs
Replies: 30
Views: 5191

Re: to the rse watchdogs

There is more subtle 'layers' to the fear and self-focus -- There is the consistent and persistent duality perpetuated/manipulated by jz -- For example, the conscious intention of many jzk inc customers is in fact to prepare oneself to better serve others. .... Perhaps duality isn't as accurate as t...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 02, 2011 1:44 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: to the rse watchdogs
Replies: 30
Views: 5191

Re:a buffet

Previously on this message board someone used the metaphor of a restaurant serving tainted food to describe RSE. In a similar vein - JZK Inc is like a buffet which presents itself as providing unique foods based on original/ancient recipes - except all the food served is brought in from elsewhere - ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 02, 2011 5:15 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: The Secrets of 2012 Revealed
Replies: 0
Views: 1488

The Secrets of 2012 Revealed

this was a program on Sunday morning (7-8am pacific daylight savings time) on the Chiller channel. A diversity of perspectives re Dec 21 2012 were presented - from a positive shift in human consciousness to a 90 degree shift of the earth so that the north pole was at the equator. Every expert presen...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:23 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Ramtha said Japan must be sunk by Haarp to fix problem
Replies: 12
Views: 2697

Re: Ramtha said Japan must be sunk by Haarp to fix problem

one of my first thoughts/wonderings after hearing of the recent Japan quake was - did HAARP cause it - so I googled HAARP and Japan earthquake - = I wasn't the only one who thought so... .... ... On reading your post here my first thought/wondering was did jz also do a similar google!? My unacademic...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:13 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: JZ/R asks students to show compassion for Japanese in Yelm
Replies: 26
Views: 3798

Re: JZ/R asks students to show compassion for Japanese in Ye

just read an online article on Mother Jones News -"The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science" - following are the first few paragraphs -- if "RSE" substituted "Seekers" we can predict what will happen on June 16th or Dec 24th ,,,,,, Mon Apr. 18, 2011 3:00 AM PDT "A MAN WITH A CONVICTION is a hard ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:36 pm
Forum: Pseudoscience & RSE
Topic: The CIA measure the energy coming from the Ranch
Replies: 22
Views: 3010

Re: The CIA measure the energy coming from the Ranch

I thought it had been previously noted here that either Greg or Steve K. once worked for Robbins...???
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:36 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: People who've "seen" Ramtha
Replies: 21
Views: 5319

side note re carbon dating

Fundamentalist Christians use the fallacy of carbon dating as proof that the world is only 5000 years old..... :-? :-)
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:43 pm
Forum: All Things Books - Debate
Topic: Book: Inventing Superstition
Replies: 8
Views: 2146

Re: Book: Inventing Superstition

ps - for posters who don't live in Yelm/area -- we're next to one of the largest military bases in the country - there are always helicopters and other aircraft flying about! Perceiving the activities around us as ramtha related seems to be a consistent 'condition'/pattern- whether it be hovering he...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:27 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: ugs,vacation homes,bunkers
Replies: 3
Views: 1579

Re: ugs,vacation homes,bunkers

history repeats itself in yelm re ugs.... Robair can speak most eloquently about that! and nevertheless, there's probably no counting the number of ugs built in the early 90s that have since collapsed; nor counting the people injured by traps set around them.... ... In the 90s a ug was broken into a...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:44 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: When did RSE start the abuse and drinking?
Replies: 29
Views: 9646

Re: When did RSE start the abuse and drinking?

The 'teachings' of the Dialogue and Intensive days -i.e. prior to 1989/The School - are 180 degrees different from those of RSE - the differences all explained away by ramtha claiming to have lied - for our own good. In the early Dialogue days - at the end of the weekend, there would be a glass of w...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:35 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: When did RSE start the abuse and drinking?
Replies: 29
Views: 9646

Re: When did RSE start the abuse and drinking?

Thanks for your sharing Indigo - and perhaps more aptly named "Gone with/from "the Wind"! I ditto the remarks re attributing 'powers' to Ramtha - as I've written previously on this message board, it took me 15 years to realize that what I experienced at my first Dialogue(1984) as an ocean of love wa...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:42 pm
Forum: Your RSE Experience & What Red Flags Woke You Up Toward Leaving?
Topic: Greetings, I am new.
Replies: 19
Views: 4045

Re: Greetings, I am new.

"I am bummed because I saw progress in everyone, and he seemed to come out and trash it all. Just as we were making a great breakthrough... it was like our hard work meant nothing." This is a classic classic classic and repeated ramtha technique - it's called abuse. (in the very beginning days of th...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:12 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Latest News from RSE re. Japan
Replies: 35
Views: 4517

Re: Latest News from RSE re. Japan

in terms of the safety of Yelm - local news station is having a special program today specifically about disaster preparedness.... Almost every night on the news there's info/instructions/ recommendations re preparedness...... On the other hand :-? the media is at least as good as jz in promoting fe...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:14 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Latest News from RSE re. Japan
Replies: 35
Views: 4517

Re: questions of evidence

Isn't the fact that some people perceive the above noted recent youtube of "Ramtha" as valid and loving and relevant and informative evidence that JZK Inc customers are under some mind altering manipulations? How can one not see that this is a very drunk person ranting? I can't bear watching for mor...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:38 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: My sister
Replies: 8
Views: 2154

Re: My sister

Blessings to you NHgirl.... Hopefully you've been reading, or will read through the Family, Friends posts here.
FreeMySoul said it all - and mostly - fear not, and love your Sister, and Mother.... It's probable you won't be able to talk Sister out of Ramtha - but Love ultimately will....
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:28 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: My sister
Replies: 8
Views: 2154

Re: My sister

just googled June 15 2011 - there's a total lunar eclipse expected that day....
And an Optometry meeting - the premier event of their profession - in Salt Lake City Utah....
by Another Dimension60
Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:27 am
Forum: The so called Scientific Study on JZ Knight-Ramtha
Topic: Is Ramtha There?
Replies: 12
Views: 3675

Re: Is Ramtha There?

thanks Joe. Lots to 'chew' on. Am I understanding correctly to say that a demon can possess someone, at least sometimes, without the person's knowledge --- so, for instance, could a possible possible explanation be that a demon entered jz, took over her personality in a sense, and 'made' her do a ra...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:33 am
Forum: The so called Scientific Study on JZ Knight-Ramtha
Topic: Is Ramtha There?
Replies: 12
Views: 3675

Re: Is Ramtha There?

re the idea of 'possession' - isn't it usually the possessing entity that decides when to come and go? - whereas with jz and ramtha, jz decides..... Certainly this is an interesting topic, and there probably is validity to unseen entities -- yet regarding jz and the entire phenomena of what happens ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:38 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Fear
Replies: 9
Views: 2332

Re: Fear

yes free, beautifully eloquently said - and probably resonates deeply with all of us who participate/read here... and reminds me of a recent 'discovery' of Joanna Macy, a now 81 yr old 'activist' -- don't know much yet about her, and haven't fully explored her website - http://www.joannamacy.net/ --...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:11 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Fear
Replies: 9
Views: 2332

Fear

thanks to Japan, and perhaps HARRP, the media is doing a far more thorough job of instilling fear re upcoming cataclysmic events, and preparedness. The city of Aberdeen is meeting as I type - for officials to review what is needed for survival in case of a tsunami..... And, it's free!!! Imagine that...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:36 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Guest Speaker Roseanne Barr at RSE
Replies: 10
Views: 3083

Re: Guest Speaker Roseanne Barr at RSE

perhaps David or Robair you'd like to inform RoseAnne that JZ has caused the death of more women than men== literally and figuratively - at least invite her to read some of emf - and that perhaps she'd like to reconsider appearing with an abusive raper of souls.
by Another Dimension60
Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:42 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Derren Brown Video's
Replies: 27
Views: 8974

Re: Derren Brown Video's

David - what was the name of the guy from like McKenna or Roy who was teaching blind people to see? - I think info was posted re him and jz's sending her spys after which we began using blindfolds at her ranch.... Here's the interesting thing - it was my experience after hours in 'the tank' that I o...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:28 am
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Are Cult victims gullible?
Replies: 39
Views: 6261

Re: Are Cult victims gullible?

hey Mr Google Wizard -- have you googled Derren Brown?
by Another Dimension60
Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:56 pm
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Are Cult victims gullible?
Replies: 39
Views: 6261

Re: Does Jzr use Double Talk-Confusion Tecnque Used-Stage Hy

Joe - perhaps you can answer my question: As much as I've appreciated and learned from info re cults, I wonder if in 'the literature' there is any distinction between pre-meditated scams and sincere leaders of a specific credo. Is there a distinction between sincere 'splinter' groups such as early C...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:54 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Question about "Val Valerian"
Replies: 3
Views: 1653

Re: Question about "Val Valerian"

yes he lives in Yelm.
Years and years and years ago he was a jz 'customer'.
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:38 pm
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Are Cult victims gullible?
Replies: 39
Views: 6261

Re: Does Jzr use Double Talk-Confusion Tecnque Used-Stage Hy

not sure if this is the appropriate thread to raise the question -so trust the moderators will move as appropriate.... As much as I've appreciated and learned from info re cults, I wonder if in 'the literature' there is any distinction between pre-meditated scams and sincere leaders of a specific cr...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:38 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Is RSE A Cult? thread 1.
Replies: 128
Views: 32918

Re: Is RSE A Cult?

a death prediction for March will bring many special events to be called - which will pay for April's WA state property and IRS taxes....
maybe i'm wrong - but it's certainly a ploy used many times just prior to tax time.....
by Another Dimension60
Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:40 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: "The List"
Replies: 25
Views: 3065

Re: Constellations

thank you all for your replies. nevertheless i ask again - is there proof as to exactly what is spoken in the subliminal "List"? I understand what it's claimed to be -- And, I do believe, unfortunately, that subliminals work. So if the List is what it's claimed and if subliminals work, then why aren...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:55 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: "The List"
Replies: 25
Views: 3065

Re: Constellations

is there any way of proving exactly what subliminals are on the tape played and sold by RSE?
And as someone else asked - what does the frequency thing do to a person?
by Another Dimension60
Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:48 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: From Point Zero to a God with a Character
Replies: 36
Views: 5096

Re: From Point Zero to a God with a Character

Joe and WE - each of your last posts, each in your own way, eloquently spoke to/ articulated the heart essence of our common journey. Thank you.
by Another Dimension60
Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:44 pm
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: From Point Zero to a God with a Character
Replies: 36
Views: 5096

Re: From Point Zero to a God with a Character

Duk - did you get my pm? - check at the top of the web page where it says messages. I used the bearded man/God thing to see where Duk was coming from or what he meant by 'character' -- -- I understand a little better. My first Dialogue experience i described, for years, as being in an ocean of love ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:30 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: From Point Zero to a God with a Character
Replies: 36
Views: 5096

Re: From Point Zero to a God with a Character

Duk - I wasn't there for the specific of the "zero point" teachings (I wonder if she stole that from Greg Bradden?) - and I'm not sure I understand what you're looking for re God as a character..... Do you want God to be the old man with a beard sitting on a throne character?.... .... I do believe t...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:34 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Guruphiliac
Replies: 1
Views: 1361

Guruphiliac

just found this website - perhaps everyone else already knows about it - but just in case....
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2008/01 ... nment.html
by Another Dimension60
Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:58 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Helena Blavatsky
Replies: 26
Views: 4567

Re: Helena Blavatsky

thanks Joe for the info re Guenon.
Part of my point above = Guenon was a sincere person who saw the underlying connections/Universal Source, and lived what he understood.
Blavatsky was a scamer.
not even apples and oranges -- more like true food and packaged chemicals sold as food....
by Another Dimension60
Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:17 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Helena Blavatsky
Replies: 26
Views: 4567

Re: Helena Blavatsky

it seems to me that the discussion here of Oneness has become an apple/orange thing -- At least to me, there is a difference between principle and practice. If I were to judge/evaluate/describe the Catholic Church based on its behaviors/so called practice of Christianity/Jesus teaching, I'd have to ...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:21 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Is there any truth to this?
Replies: 15
Views: 3025

Re: Is there any truth to this?

she's been using this ploy since at least the mid-80s - the difference is that the jzreasons are escalating - from ear issues through various illnesses and to death....

And, she's got to be tired....really really tired... and probably broke.
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:53 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: an unguarded door!
Replies: 15
Views: 3383

Re: an unguarded door!

My reference to childhood experiences is not at all about blame; and is in fact all about taking responsibility for one's actions - which begins with recognizing patterns of behavior/situations/types of people in my life. So, for instance, a few years ago as I was attempting to understand/recognize/...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:47 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: an unguarded door!
Replies: 15
Views: 3383

Re: an unguarded door!

yes W.E. - i too have seen that we who have experienced abuse of some form in our early years have a 'pattern' of abuse that we seem to keep repeating until we can recognize it and shift our perceptions of ourself - and it seems to take a lifetime to do so. Aside from the utter horror of all that Sa...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:10 pm
Forum: EMF Debate Forums - Rules For Posting, How to post, Registration Agreement Terms and Contact Info
Topic: Moved from...Do we create our reality ?
Replies: 2
Views: 970

Re: Moved from...Do we create our reality ?

David - didn't see this 'til after I posted requesting/begging Grace to cease proselytizing.... Thank you.
by Another Dimension60
Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:42 pm
Forum: Off Topic Posts - Recycle Bin - Really Weird Stuff - Moved to Here
Topic: proselytizing Christianity post by Grace
Replies: 11
Views: 2534

Re: On the road again... by Kensho

God Bless you Grace - with love and a peace offering I beg you to stop proselytizing your version of salvation on this message board --- We do not need your judgments and omgs 'how could you possiblys' nor your interpretation or 'solution' to our , emphasis on our , experiences. If you were able to ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:08 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: A Strong Opinion Article
Replies: 4
Views: 2116

Re: A Strong Opinion Article

there seems to me to be a bit of contradiction in the Leviticus rant - first the accusation is re cavorting with spirits --and near the end the author states: " You see, I believe that Ramtha is only something that Knight conjured up in her mind to gain great wealth for herself. ". Unfortunately - t...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:57 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: "Man cannot live by bread alone"
Replies: 5
Views: 1644

Re: "Man cannot live by bread alone"

Thank you Wolf...Thank you. I would add one line to the end - to sing your Note of Love - which your poem does.... in many ways you articulate my journey of healing from jzland.... and, again, I'll add to your 'song' - from time to time a book or set of audio tapes or 'accidental' discovery of an in...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:42 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: All group follow ups.... including NON CURRENT
Replies: 11
Views: 2212

Re: All group follow ups.... including NON CURRENT

wow -- didn't know there were 7 siblings!! re her sons -- in the mid 80s when the recording of Ramtha 'events' first began, one of her sons worked the audio equipment --- or that could have just been for the Honolulu video. On a sadder note of her firing pattern - Barbara Wood was JZs bookkeeper in ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:01 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: All group follow ups.... including NON CURRENT
Replies: 11
Views: 2212

Re: All group follow ups.... including NON CURRENT

we may never fully understand her true reasons - what we do know is that the firing/jerking around of staff is a long time pattern - since at least 1989.... .... She's done the same kind of thing with 'volunteers'.
by Another Dimension60
Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:02 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Helena Blavatsky
Replies: 26
Views: 4567

Re: Helena Blavatsky

WOW. my brain, my Being is stuck in the moment on WOW!!!! That's downright specific!!! Ohhhh that JZ would follow/copy this next/last step of Blatavasky's journey! -- --- ironically, William Coleman's 'discoveries' re all the plagiarized material could be plagiarized to describe what jz has done.......
by Another Dimension60
Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:06 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Helena Blavatsky
Replies: 26
Views: 4567

Re: Helena Blavatsky

thanks Lost... You got on Blavatsky -- there's been stuff I've read here and elsewhere that she plagiarized and made stuff up - so I probably shouldn't make too strong a statement..... About JZ/Ramtha I can say, for me, for sure, it's a fraud. Others sincerely believe/have experienced Ramtha. Go fig...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:16 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Ramsters contribution to Yelm economy and cause of growth
Replies: 3
Views: 2276

Ramsters contribution to Yelm economy and cause of growth

It's difficult enough for me to handle jz's full page ads in the local newspaper proclaiming the 10s of thousands of dollars ramsters have contributed to Yelm's economy.... .... It's even more difficult to hear "normal" people/people to whom it would never occur to attend a jz event - proclaim how m...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:45 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Helena Blavatsky
Replies: 26
Views: 4567

Re: Helena Blavatsky

Christian Science, Church of Religious Science, Unity - from the late 1800s to early 1900s - coherent, organized, metaphysical understanding of life/Life/Living. -- later to be labeled 'New Age'. The readings from Edgar Cayce. Although Joe Szimhart will label them all as false/falsely based....none ...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:49 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Another mother-story I'm afraid.. :-)
Replies: 19
Views: 3319

Re: Another mother-story I'm afraid.. :-)

Thank you for your heartfelt sharing. Sadly, as you can read in previous posts, the best you can do for your Father is continue to love him - ultimately love will lift him out/wake him up.... It is probably the hardest thing you will have to do in life - to stand by impotently and watch a Loved One ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:59 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Ramth Wine prayer & instructions - RSE JANUARY 2000
Replies: 8
Views: 2525

Re: Ramth Wine prayer & instructions - RSE JANUARY 2000

and according to the story, Jesus last words were pure emotion -my God my God why hast thou abandoned me....

The whole letter/ritual is an abomination - of its source, of the Holy that is in each of us, of the people who heard/read these words.

no wonder there are so many ramster alcoholics....
by Another Dimension60
Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:38 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: RSE Letter 1999: Ramtha is leaving " again"!
Replies: 5
Views: 2122

Re: RSE Letter 1999: Ramtha is leaving " again"!

David, or anyone - do you know what the rationale was when 'ramtha' returned/didn't go away? One of the first rounds of the "I'm leaving" technique was in '84/'85 - for JZ's health reasons - flying hurting her ears. That's when Dialogues became Intensives...... And I don't remember what the rational...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:39 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Ramtha/JZ predictions that have never come to pass.
Replies: 6
Views: 3191

Re: Ramtha/JZ predictions that have never come to pass.

predictions started in 1986 -- buy land and become self-sufficient in face of imminent economic/societal collapse - give up any long term goals - I felt sorry for friends going after advanced degrees -- the joke is on me! In '89/90 came the first round of ug instructions -- more homemade at the time...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:24 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Many new Masters of Cards?
Replies: 45
Views: 7778

Re: Many new Masters of Cards?

"When you see this image, you are taught that this is that particular cards 'equation' or 'symbol' or 'mark'." - This is actually "taught"!! - by Ramtha? by the so called selected "teachers"! Thank you for sharing this, for your honesty. It's yet another example of an essential technique used throug...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:48 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Kahlil Gibran
Replies: 3
Views: 1435

Re: Kahlil Gibran

another appropriate Gibran quote from the Prophet: Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.
by Another Dimension60
Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:47 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Glen Cunningham Q & A Follow-up Interview Oct 20 2008
Replies: 15
Views: 3574

Re: Glen Cunningham video's

another example of mispronunciation - quite significant in my opinion - correct pronunciation: hert-zi-an Ramtha pronunciation: hert-i-zan And always and again 3 cheers to Glen for his courage and gratitude for all the people he's helped by sharing his stories/experiences. He's had nothing at all to...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:01 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Is RSE A Cult? Being a Wise Woman...
Replies: 23
Views: 4432

"Is it a cult? I believe it is a cult for the victims, but for Judy Knight, it is just a VERY profitable SCAM." very well put Grandfather. cult has many definitions and connotations. There are people who create cults sincerely believing in who they think they are and what they're doing. And there a...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:55 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Dr Susan Blackmore Changed Her Mind About The Paranormal
Replies: 3
Views: 1711

Joe - isn't it not so much about women being more emotional - rather - women's brains function more wholistically - i.e. left brain/right brain connecting/communicating/functioning more 'together' than the male brain. I know i haven't stated that very well -- but I thought there's actually been some...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:52 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Beckwith
Replies: 1
Views: 1321

still searching for info re beckwith et al, found this website - http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2007/05/martyrs-and-narcissists-saga-continues.html -- the author openly admits making fun of new age stuff... .... nevertheless, in discussing David Schirmir of THE SECRET, there are some striking comm...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:42 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Beckwith
Replies: 1
Views: 1321

Beckwith

Does anyone have any evidence or participant revelations of the scam artist i think Beckwith is? He and his Agape thing and his wife are now connected with legitimate sources/sites.
by Another Dimension60
Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:08 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Split from RSE Discrepancies
Replies: 2
Views: 1373

fyi - the "ramtha teachings" after 1999 are 180 degrees opposite of those prior. You are fortunate in 'getting' the best without being exposed to the worst. Although you've provided a good list of 'sources' of ramtha teachings, more sources from which the material was copied are available on this si...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:57 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Ms. Knight's Altered Ego
Replies: 6
Views: 1939

well said, Joe. And, most of us have heard Ramtha refer to jz as having an expanded consciousness, or being Christed, etc while she plays 'humble'.... There's always been this multi-schizod contradictory thing re jz .... ..... the jz bad ramtha good is one dynamic of the schiziness, particularly as ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:03 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: How cults and pyramid schemes work the same
Replies: 1
Views: 1593

thank you David. I just finished listening to a tape recording of the 1988/9 infamous "Gathering of the Eagles" -- and been considering transcribing it --or summarizing in some way -- --- And the article you posted summarizes the tape perfectly!!! -- The manipulation/indoctrination/suckering in the ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:00 pm
Forum: Pseudoscience & RSE
Topic: Dr. Colin Ross speaks at the Ranch
Replies: 3
Views: 1642

a repeated 'lesson' for me lately is that there is no black and white - for example, trustworthy speakers/teachers are on the same panel/program with scam artists - --- - it's possible Ross is a fraud -- and, I've seen demonstrations on tv of the new software which can be controlled by the eyes -- n...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:30 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: feeling special and finding the void
Replies: 6
Views: 1859

walk in the park, substitute "where one's attention is" for consciousness. what's your point anyway? Mine was that we were deluded into thinking we were special, for one reason or another, and in one manner or another - i.e. being selected for a group, wearing one's card, holding hands with Linda Ev...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:19 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: feeling special and finding the void
Replies: 6
Views: 1859

feeling special and finding the void

under the topic of "roses for longevity" there was discussion in the past re Groups 12 & 13 --- I don't know where/what happened to Group 11, but I certainly remember Group 10.... To all, whether current or former students, who feel somehow special for being in these special Groups - don't. You were...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:33 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Nexium
Replies: 1
Views: 1423

Rick Ross's webpage - http://www.cultnews.com Also found some interesting posts on that message board re Buckminster Fuller in particular and the misuse of his "philosophy" by Burstyn group; and how these manipulative groups in general use other 'famous' people's material, and twist it around for th...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:49 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Nexium
Replies: 1
Views: 1423

Nexium

just saw this on Rick Ross's website.... The fantasic financial failures of Keith Raniere The Albany Times-Union front-page story this Sunday featured the fantastic financial failures of Keith Raniere, leader of a purported "cult" near Albany, New York known as NXIVM (pronounced Nexium like the purp...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:58 pm
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Friend has fallen 'down the rabbit hole'
Replies: 12
Views: 2535

worriedfriend - check out the Steve Hassan post under NVN and other news articles (I put the post under the wrong category -sorry) - I suggest it 'cause he has lots of info re helping folks we know that are in a cult --- And, there's lots of other info -- Joe Szimhart(who posts here) could probably ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:35 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Steve Hassan and Cult info
Replies: 2
Views: 2261

Steve Hassan and Cult info

found a book at the local library - The Protest by Diane kozdrey Bunnell (re a Christian cult) with jacket cover comment from Steve Hassan (who joe sz noted re a magazine article) : "In this new millennium, the issue of mind control looms larger than ever. Yet the public still largely remains in the...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:52 pm
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Friend has fallen 'down the rabbit hole'
Replies: 12
Views: 2535

awesome response Kensho. Awesome. I hope you have a book in mind 'cause you are able to coherently articulate the inarticulate!! Worriedone - hopefully you have read the other posts in this topic.... You're not alone. As I've said before - it was the love of my faithful friends that ultimately lifte...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:50 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: James Arthur Ray sweat lodge deaths
Replies: 46
Views: 9935

The local news on Sunday night had a piece on the leader of the sweat lodge cult.... with pictures of a suitcase full of drugs - steroids, testosterone and other such - drugs that bulk you up, drugs that slow down aging...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:24 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Happy New Year
Replies: 1
Views: 1281

Happy New Year

In the early days of "The School" - New Year's Eve was celebrated at 'the Ranch' - with Ramtha bragging how while all those other unenlightened fools were busy being drunk, we were being spiritual etc. .... .... Then came wine ceremonies. Why did it take Ramtha so long to recognize that getting drun...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:52 pm
Forum: LAUGHTER: A HEALTHY PART OF MOVING ON
Topic: I am Lothar, I am such as Ramtha
Replies: 14
Views: 3201

hey Lothar - is your post an attempt at satire?
I think there is a pentagram on the wall -- and there has been human sacrifices for jz's pocketbook for 30 years....
by Another Dimension60
Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:44 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: When a child dies, faith is no defense
Replies: 1
Views: 1317

tragic as it is that children die unnecessarily because of their parents religious beliefs, nevertheless

"Did you know that Pharmaceutical based Medicine is officially one of the Leading Causes of Death & Injury in Developed Countries? www.MedicineKillsMillions.com"
by Another Dimension60
Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:53 pm
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: how do I deal with a partner still in the school?
Replies: 25
Views: 4706

re the changing the timeline thing.... Consider the ill/logic -- in '86 there were dire predictions and people told to get self-sufficient; then the "gray men" teachings (straight out of Taylor Caldwell novels, including the phrase "gray men"; in '89 the SEVEN year school was started in '90 the unde...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:58 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: how do I deal with a partner still in the school?
Replies: 25
Views: 4706

Blessings to you Enlightenmypocket. Keep reading past posts and you'll find alot of common feelings/thoughts/experiences to yours. Meanwhile - return to Rumi and anything else that sings to your Soul and doesn't ask money for it.! The dooms day predictions have been going on since 1986 - the undergr...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:59 pm
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Reptilians, Greg's memory loss....the Truth!
Replies: 20
Views: 5273

a related but off topic side note to the above court case story - the couple opened a coffee shop called: the Gold Bar in what had been the local bank building- staffed and frequented by Ramsters - it's gone through several transformations and is now the Roadrunner.... Another interesting, to me, si...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:15 pm
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: Jesus Speaks Tapes sold at RSE -JZ Knight commits perjury
Replies: 20
Views: 4940

from Cat's posting on RSE Legal issues and David's posting here re the more recent trial..... Just to bring the outright lies to people's attention again. Woman Tells Of `Channeling' Jesus Christ, Sep 29, 1992 A prominent New Age spiritualist being sued by her ex-husband for more divorce money has t...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:41 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Frederick Lenz's Cult
Replies: 9
Views: 4112

jz started in the 70's - 77 I think. It would be interesting to know if Lenz ever attended the Dialogue Days of ramtha.... Someone who had done a lot of research to expose the scam connected jz and penny tores and claire prophet -practicing channeling together. No question they all learn and copy fr...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:35 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: gratitude
Replies: 3
Views: 2336

thank you Compassion and G2G for reading and commenting...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:44 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: gratitude
Replies: 3
Views: 2336

gratitude

In sharing the following with a friend, it occurred to me that it may be relevant to share with folks here -- I've recently returned from a trip during which I saw some of the friends I'd left behind when I moved to WA - but I only left them behind geographically - there is no 'distance' where there...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:18 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Candle focus
Replies: 14
Views: 3451

Perhaps the webmasters can establish a place for an archive of these materials - original stuff is essential for academic or any investigative process - if there's too much duplication some can be burned. It does become an ethical issue to make money off ramsters, or to 'clean' up one's own part of ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:29 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: James Allen's Transformational Classic As A ManThinketh
Replies: 20
Views: 3973

confused and corrected, I apologize for speaking.
and totally agree that Cat is an incredible resource and writer on this site. I didn't mean that she personally has been attacked --- oh well, I'll keep silent rather than digging my own ditch deeper.
Blessings to ya'll
by Another Dimension60
Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:08 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: James Allen's Transformational Classic As A ManThinketh
Replies: 20
Views: 3973

confused

I simply don't understand the jumping on Cat. She has consistently, and seemingly to me, sincerely been attempting to understand the phenomena and experience of RSE. Part of the seeming complexity, and reaction, to her posts is that much of what jz says is from valid sources - and if not seriously t...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:51 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: questions
Replies: 2
Views: 1411

questions

If being on the 23rd dimension with Ramtha is so swell, than why cower in undergrounds in fear of one's life,.... wouldn't it be alot more fun and alot more pleasant to just go to the 23rd dimension?
more importantly - why did this inherent contradiction never occur to me before!!!???
by Another Dimension60
Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:19 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Australia 2007 predictions
Replies: 48
Views: 8763

The first DTC was about 1985/6 - then it was: buy land, become self-sufficient. As I vaguely recall, this "message" came at the end of an Intensive (after the "Dialogue Days" and before "The School") - - - as I see in retrospect, it was a good marketing technique - the pre-occupation of people at co...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:19 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Movie - Bloodline
Replies: 9
Views: 2062

Excellent point, Unbound, ,, hadn't thought of that... it's also been proven that the theoretical bloodline documents were forgeries. -- that is, I'm not at all familiar with the movie Bloodline, but I was involved with Ramthaland when Holy Blood Holy Grail was the rage - same idea of the lineage of...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:39 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Behavior Patterns
Replies: 7
Views: 1960

thank you nimbus. I so appreciate your taking the time to read and consider and relate to what I wrote.
Have you also journeyed through ramthaland? and recognized these behavior patterns there?
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:09 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Kenny Thompson JZK Shill?
Replies: 23
Views: 4469

sorry to have left a specific reference - thought I'd deleted them. My point was simply that: jz didn't invent remote viewing; psychic skills training is available from (relatively) reliable sources, cheap, without brainwashing loud music worship of an unseen entity, food and sleep deprivation, etc....
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:35 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Kenny Thompson JZK Shill?
Replies: 23
Views: 4469

for anyone interested: Remote view training from a reliable source - in the comfort of your home.... Price: $120 (an even better investment toward the million dollar prize!!):D In this four week Internet based study group, your mentor, will personally lead you through a discovery process by which yo...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:49 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: The Evening with Ramtha Events June 2009
Replies: 6
Views: 2016

"But students are to celebrate when they hear of this change because it means that the work of Ramtha and his cohorts has come to pass. They will have shifted the planet on its axis in order to facilitate bringing a new level of consciousness to humanity." Before Ramtha was born, let alone JZ, the u...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:40 pm
Forum: The so called Scientific Study on JZ Knight-Ramtha
Topic: Presented paper on the 'scientific' study of JZ/R
Replies: 2
Views: 4189

although I don't really comprehend all the verbiage of this report - it certainly does NOT provide 'scientific proof' that Ramtha is real. "amnesia is the critical factor in the diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder, and Knight claims to be amnesic for Ramtha's appearances." - this is another ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:13 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: JZ is the MASTER manipulator and liar ...
Replies: 10
Views: 2693

emf auction

it's a good idea cat, except david doesn't have enough money to pay people to buy his stuff :roll:
by Another Dimension60
Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:48 am
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Jay posted
Replies: 11
Views: 3002

Is it appropriate to say here that it's ok to still believe that Ramtha exists or existed? I think there are a number of folks who are sincerely done with jzland and still sincerely believe that at least at some time there was a Ramtha. I it's my personal opinion that people need to be 'allowed' wit...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:18 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Thanks EMF
Replies: 3
Views: 1595

Blessings to you Havetothink - I have great respect for your willingness to even look at this site let alone carefully consider its content. In the same ironic fashion that ww provided you an opportunity for awareness, so too garner the gifts gained from your ramtha experience and allow yourself the...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:42 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Wisewoman posted....
Replies: 26
Views: 5084

love-ly well put clear statement of perception Cat - thank you. It has also been my sense that ww is clueless re her behavior and attitude. As we were when we were under jz's spell. You've described it all perfectly. We were taught at Estes Park in '89 (I think) to literally not look in a mirror. - ...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:20 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: rhetoric
Replies: 12
Views: 2748

rhetoric

I think this message board often reflects different intentions. For me the purpose and hope of the message board is to reach out to people who have experienced Ramtha and be available through sharing here to facilitate their understanding of their experience and their healing from it. There is also ...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:14 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Wisewoman posted....
Replies: 26
Views: 5084

It seems that wise woman sincerely believes in what she believes. And although, David, I too see a classic/typical Ramster arrogance, it is a bit of a catch 22 ' we did ask wise woman to speak to her 'proof'. I'm also seeing a behavior similar to previous posters of requiring a lot of attention. And...
by Another Dimension60
Sun May 31, 2009 2:45 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

I certainly can?t speak for ?Henry?s philosophy? and am not really sure what that means. What I said re the Ideal is garnered from a lifetime of experience ? mine, not Henry?s. Obviously I haven?t articulated well. The Ideal is more than a nice idea/philosophy/thought. Although it can be someone els...
by Another Dimension60
Sun May 31, 2009 2:35 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

Heuristic

What?s most fascinating to me now regarding this article is the responses. To me the key points of the article reinforce/agree with/elaborate on Joe?s oft quoted: "The question always is how well prepared are you to test the teacher or do you merely rely on your inner "higher" self? Also, when the s...
by Another Dimension60
Sat May 30, 2009 4:46 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: wisewoman posted..Liquid Zeolite is an effective Chelation a
Replies: 12
Views: 2770

absolutely. I completely agree.
And info re the formula ought to be given to medical professionals who treat people who have ingested the stuff.
by Another Dimension60
Thu May 28, 2009 1:39 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: wisewoman posted..Liquid Zeolite is an effective Chelation a
Replies: 12
Views: 2770

clay bentonite for human consumption removes toxins, heavy metals from the system - cheap in powder form. Years ago I read the label of a liquid form which indicated it's function for internal cleansing.
by Another Dimension60
Tue May 26, 2009 1:28 pm
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Is RSE A Cult? thread 1.
Replies: 128
Views: 32918

from another perspective, and as Joe always encourages - the point, for me, is not so much the labels re RSE or JZ's personality -- but the behaviors - of the 'organization', or individuals within the organization. The word and concept of 'cult' is difficult for me - and I know others have strongly ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu May 21, 2009 4:53 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

Unbound - thank you so much for your thoughtful post. In a sense the article is taken out of context - that is - Henry is very associated with the Association for Research and Enlightenment - the organization which holds the Readings from Edgar Cayce. And, he is addressing an 'audience' that is inte...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 18, 2009 2:14 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

here's another: "Cayce?s guidance heuristic includes a complete, full cycle of the discovery process, similar to the well known sequence of creative problem solving: questioning, perspiration and research, incubation, inspiration, further perspiration in the testing and application; then more questi...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 18, 2009 2:03 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

here's only one quote from the article: "Giving consideration to ideals needs to be a top priority in seeking guidance, not only because of the importance of aligning our purpose with our values, but because of the quality of the energy that?s activated. The ideal determines the pattern of creative ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 18, 2009 1:43 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

"As always, the better our sources of information and the more skilled we are at questioning the more likely we can avoid mistakes and lies.] " Seems to me neither of you read the article -- because it clearly agrees with you =joe and unbound. I'm quite astounded at Catholic Joe in this season of Pe...
by Another Dimension60
Mon May 11, 2009 1:29 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Evaluating Guidance
Replies: 13
Views: 3058

Evaluating Guidance

http://intuitive-connections.net/2009/evaluating.pdf The above link is to an article by Henry Reed - who has spent his life in applying and studying and teaching re living one's spiritual truth. His personal focus is on dreams. He has an online magazine - intuitive connections - in which are posted ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu May 07, 2009 1:37 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Masters' Fund
Replies: 2
Views: 1428

Hey Cat - why don't you ask the Master's Fund... You're probably still listed as 'current'.... ask for a 'public accounting', ask how it's used, what records do they have, who is managing it now, etc.... (as far as I remember, the original "Masters Fund" request was made somewhere between '89-91.
by Another Dimension60
Wed May 06, 2009 7:13 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: baird spalding as I knew him
Replies: 16
Views: 5787

thanks Joe. I was speaking more specifically to the stories of the so-called Masters of the Far East - that because of my Sunday School training I was receptive to 'stuff' as demonstrated by these Masters - and no way for James Randi's one-million-dollar prize test. I certainly agree with: by their ...
by Another Dimension60
Tue May 05, 2009 12:19 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: baird spalding as I knew him
Replies: 16
Views: 5787

Joe said: "People had a hunger to believe in that stuff"... the interesting thing to me is that I grew up being taught "that stuff" - in Sunday School - Jesus would appear and disappear and appear somewhere else, walk on water, feed the 5000 with baskets left over; then there was Philip who the Spir...
by Another Dimension60
Fri May 01, 2009 5:10 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: former RSE staff
Replies: 2
Views: 1763

communicate with the webmaster - they might be able to put you in touch with old friends.
Meanwhile, we here hope you share some of your story in the appropriate threads - what led you in, what led you out.
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:09 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: ..Supernormal powers..
Replies: 3
Views: 1682

another example of a 'valid'/helpful point from a not so (ultimately) valid/helpful source. Nevertheless, this concept of "powers"/sidhis coming as a result of spiritual development/unfoldment/attunement is articulated in most valid Spiritual Traditions, and from what I consider valid sources. Just ...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:07 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: What's on your card?
Replies: 0
Views: 1654

What's on your card?

Recently someone posted that Ramtha taught folks to manifest wealth. (My apologies for not remembering the specific post - and I lost the copied quote in cyberspace :oops: ). I distinctly remember an event - about '92 - when ramtha verbally battered the audience ad naseum for wanting material things...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:18 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Hallelujah
Replies: 9
Views: 2231

guess I failed PM afterall!!!! :oops: :lol:
figured/hoped you'd like it. David IS a Master musician, and video maestro.
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:38 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Skepticism and concern
Replies: 9
Views: 2283

You too are to be admired for your open minded search and willingness to hear. Re the Masters of the Far East - fictional, perhaps truth. - also much discussed here - search the book title and I 'spose you'll find the posts. My surprise was that the Castenado books were fictional. Mutant Message Dow...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:57 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Hallelujah
Replies: 9
Views: 2231

David gave you the link in the above message. Meanwhile - re PM - when you open the message board - at the top of the page is a place to sign in. If you have a PM message, it will so indicate in red. If you want to send one to someone - look under their message, and in tiny letters in a tiny box you...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:28 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Hallelujah
Replies: 9
Views: 2231

Com - do you know how to check pm messages?
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:43 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Hallelujah
Replies: 9
Views: 2231

Thanks Compassion.
Did you get the link I pm'd you.? (I only recently learned how to even do the PM(private mail) thing!)
I liked your 'connectivity' thing - and the link seemed similar, something you might like that David posted awhile back.
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:06 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Skepticism and concern
Replies: 9
Views: 2283

tedious as it may be to read past posts, you may find that answers to your questions have been addressed here. Meanwhile - the Glen Cunningham interview, part 1, has some interesting things to say about the 'experts' that did the study. And there is a thread dedicated to the scientific study which s...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:36 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Guess who's getting married - again
Replies: 8
Views: 2760

from the above site: BLUEB0DY 01:48 PMApr 23 2009 I should have added this site for those desiring further information on Selma's "spiritual leader" and "best friend." I was there, I experienced it, and I left, thank all that is! Selma being married to a billionaire, what can one say about the prope...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:57 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: DISCIPLINES
Replies: 4
Views: 2284

also interesting to note that the number of 'disciplines' increased over the years -- initially it was just doing c&e - - now there's what, candles, and walking, and ? - I don't really know. - but it seems like that slowly cooking frog thing - an increasing demand of a 'student's' time/energy/involv...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:20 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Jay posted.....
Replies: 11
Views: 2877

okeydoke Jay, you made me look! - I googled "trolling on a message board". There's any number of sites - but the one I got to first seems sufficient to give me an idea of what you're referring to. http://www.curezone.com/forums/troll.asp "An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll"...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:08 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Jay posted.....
Replies: 11
Views: 2877

would 'abusive' be a more appropriate word? are you a lawyer? - just curious. So jz/ramtha's pattern of building people up and smashing them down is not abuse because anybody can just not listen, get up and walk away, or simply not attend.? A woman whose husband verbally berates her on a regular bas...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:47 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Judgement of Human Projection
Replies: 6
Views: 1960

the NLP comment was just (obviously a bad) joke -- I cried instantly because I cried instantly in the presence of something so stunningly surprising and beautiful and heart touching -- even when she said before coming on stage she would make the audience rock! Whether or not the whole thing was stag...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:35 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Jay - perhaps you haven't read all the relevant posts here regarding this issue. Many of us have little episodes of temper tantrum, using 'incorrect' language, let our anger carry us away - on occasion. Then there is a consistent repetitive pattern of such along with a personality profile that lures...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:00 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

re emf as a cult: (I posted this previously) perhaps our participation on emf is related to the same hunger that led us into jzland - the desire to know and understand and grow. The big big big differences - there are no fees, no financial gain for anyone - in fact, financial loss for the webmasters...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:48 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Judgement of Human Projection
Replies: 6
Views: 1960

Thank you Compassion for all your little sharings.... Even if no one responds directly it doesn't mean it's not appreciated. I saw the Susan Boyle youtube via an email someone sent to my office. ... ... I suspect there was some NLP going on which triggered tears within a milisecond of the first note...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:50 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: former RSE staff
Replies: 2
Views: 1763

former RSE staff

For those relatively new to the board, or anyone else who doesn't know: Glen Cunningham was a personal bodyguard to jz - there are two videos of interviews with him online. He is also willing to answer any questions you may have - either post them or email the webmaster who will pass them onto to Gl...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:34 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Nice insight Grandfather. Unfortunately too many of us were brought up with a fear of God - fear meaning afraid, guilty, worried, anxious, not enough etc. The "fear of God" in the Bible, truly translated would be more like - what a little boy at Christmas time feels like going to the big department ...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:11 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

yes Cat, I have to agree that fear is a very big factor with jz/ramtha. You may have missed the fear of 'going to the light' and being consumed by other dimensional beings. There was an overall fear of dying instilled - The DTC fears seem cyclical - slowed down a bit and re-vitalized after 9/11. Par...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

In the early days of emf someone posted re the ?cycle of abuse? via ramtha. There is certainly the more recent overt verbal and physical abuse directed at specific individuals and the group at large. The wine ceremonies ? the encouragement/command to drink, particularly for those who?s sobriety was ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:22 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Although this thread on abuse is for the most part singling out Tree?s behavior on emf, and although I think it essential that what I consider unnecessarily abusive behavior needs to be put to a stop; there is, to me, a far more important and significant issue here. As stated with my posts on behavi...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:02 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Sara ? It may be relevant for you to know that the behaviors exhibited here on emf by Tree are not new ? and, according to previous posts, have gone on for years and years ? certainly throughout Tree?s years with jz/ramtha, certainly since ?leaving?, and probably, in my opinion, prior to any involve...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:29 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Thank you so much Cat/Butterfly (don't want to abbreviate that! :lol: Excellent summary - and I know will be helpful to others. immediate 'ahs' in me - the fact that there are so many obviously intelligent, 'professional', apparently sane people in RSE (even amidst the 'fanatics' and the obvious not...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:54 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

ps - my last comments were in reference to ex's and ordinary's query re emf being/becoming a cult. took me too long to post it so it may seem like a nonsequitor.... If it should be moved to another thread, webmaster, go for it.... I see you have other stuff to say more specific to the abuse issue on...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:46 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

and I have also wondered... ... perhaps it's related to the same hunger that led us into jzland - the desire to know and understand and grow. The big big big differences - there are no fees, no financial gain for anyone - in fact, financial loss for the webmasters; nothing to join, no group, no spec...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:14 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Thanks again Cat. Aside from the absence of money in your bank account, were there any other indicators - red flags as they're called here - that something wasn't right in Ramthaland? How did you 'find' emf? Were there/are there people in your life who have simply loved you through your Ramtha era? ...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:59 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

G2. Although the following is personal in the sense that it's using examples of Tree's response to me - the overall issue to me is not personal. Please consider the following again and ask yourself again if Tree's posts are "kind and gracious open and discerning", or mean, or "emeaning, or degrading...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:44 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

G2 ' Because I respect and appreciate you/your posts, I'll spend some more time in attempt of clarification. First ' as per the carrot metaphor ' I'm more the loner type ' that the webmasters got fed up with Tree's posts is their fed up-ness. Time and again Tree's posts have caused a reaction in me ...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:12 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

by the way, I don?t like crowds, so being in a "pod" is not my thing ? in the metaphor of veggies, I?m more carrot like....
by Another Dimension60
Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:02 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Sad Grandfather, I was just wondering how you were. My heart goes out to you. It seems to me that the ultimate frustration, the ultimate angst in our human lives is when we see and warn others of danger and we aren't heard. Your post opened my heart and reminded me to not give up, to love as best I ...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:19 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Blessings to you Cat / Exquisite Butterfly - you are the courageous one - not only were you willing to read emf, you apparently have done so with an open mind and heart. 2.5 weeks is not very long to absorb and integrate such. It's like a death; a divorce; a lost career job; the betrayal of a friend...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:37 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Short of a literal 'ephiphanous' miracle I don't think JZ will ever be able to see or own up to her behavior and how very many people she has hurt. I suspect she could read EMF posts all day long and would continue to laugh at, blame, accuse, judge anyone who disagrees with her/Ramtha. Tree, your po...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:31 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

On the 'mental health' thread watcha discussed the notion that brainwashing may not be the only or universal cause of 'hookedness' into an organization/cult/whatever ' such as jz's. In contemplating and writing down about certain 'behavior patterns'/PPCB, a key phenomenon seems to be the seemingly u...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:26 pm
Forum: All Things EMF - Researching? Use our EMF Search Engine
Topic: Abuse on EMF
Replies: 58
Views: 11552

Cat 'In contemplating your response re Tree, it occurred to me that a next step in 'recovery', (at least one of many next steps), for me at least, seems to be about 'generalizing'/applying what I've learned in my experience with JZ and my 'recovery' from and integration of that experience. My post a...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:31 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Marie ? How courageous you are to have looked for/found emf in attempting to understand your Mother and Sister. What a painful journey it must have been/is for you - ? I wonder if your experience is like those whose family member/spouse is an alcoholic, or abuser, or has some chronic illness. In a s...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:59 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

Cat... what's interesting to note re ramtha believers - different people say the very same words in response to people who've left; discrepancies in 'teachings'; emf; etc. - robbotic, rhetoric - a very big red flag. When the Dialogues were first recorded Ramtha bragged how his words would hold true ...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:45 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: MENTAL HEALTH OF EX-MEMBERS of ?cults?in the short and long
Replies: 8
Views: 3878

seems logical....(or is that a dirty word here? :-) and, ok Pete, intuitively accurate -- just as the different ways people deal with divorce or death or being fired from a long term job - depends on their personality, psychological patterns, emotional stability, spiritual stability, mental stabilit...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:35 pm
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

re sources: the old emf site had several threads specific to such -- including Vera, Edgar Cayce readings (much/most of early material - to mid 80's - including, I suspect, the convoluted speech pattern of the early Ramtha), Taylor Caldwell (I'm just exploring that - recently found some of her old n...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:36 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Marjoe Gortner
Replies: 24
Views: 35569

caterpillar - me thinks you are already an exquisite butterfly disguising yourself as a caterpillar :D
by Another Dimension60
Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:41 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

re Dr Burnett - can you imagine how many starry eyed ramsters over the last 30 yrs have tried to get close to that man and find out info re JZ?.... I know a few who went to him as a dentist... a dead clam has looser lips that Dr Burnett. Think about it - has anyone ever read a quote of his - in all ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:03 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Behavior Patterns
Replies: 7
Views: 1960

Following are the consistent characteristics and predictable behaviors I?ve been able to identify in people/personalities that somehow hook and manipulate and ?feed? off others: - charming, likeable, loveable, charismatic ? you?re somehow immediately drawn to that person - Information ? they have kn...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:56 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Behavior Patterns
Replies: 7
Views: 1960

Although people with these personality traits may have valid reasons for being the way they are, I?m coming to recognize that these reasons are no longer acceptable as excuses to hurt others. So many of us have been abused, so many of us have been betrayed and not loved quite enough in quite enough ...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:38 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Behavior Patterns
Replies: 7
Views: 1960

Behavior Patterns

The following post(s) have come out of a challenging spiritual mental emotional journey ? the decision to post did not come lightly. My intention, my hope, my prayer is that the posts are helpful. This message board has been a continuous learning for me. The articles about cults and cult leaders and...
by Another Dimension60
Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:56 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Obama: off topic from NLP...
Replies: 7
Views: 2439

in response to who is Clint Curtis: http://www.linktv.org/programs/special_murder
I hadn't a clue either until I happened to see a program on link tv.
by Another Dimension60
Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:21 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Obama: off topic from NLP...
Replies: 7
Views: 2439

the fascism started long ago. Here's an example - news stories about drug busts - a so-called poll indicating that Americans believe drugs are the primary problem in the country - laws passed that allow police into your home on a suspicion - kill you, take all your possessions and then go, oh oops, ...
by Another Dimension60
Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:20 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Obama: off topic from NLP...
Replies: 7
Views: 2439

"he hasn't the background or experience to be the Commander in Chief of this nation." -- which is exactly what makes me wonder how he got elected. If your child was seriously ill - would you take the child to a first year med student - or someone with 30+ years experience? Even if the med student wa...
by Another Dimension60
Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:39 pm
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Neuro linguistic Programming (NLP) in RSE
Replies: 69
Views: 12632

some hurried random thoughts.... What I most got out of the nlp article was the concept of hypnosis - not necessarily or even specifically NLP - although I think those techniques are being used, among many others including physical deprivation. It's kinda like David's parasitic worms - the fact that...
by Another Dimension60
Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:40 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Beautiful Dysfunctional RSE
Replies: 11
Views: 2915

Thank you Andrew. Each story is a newly paved section on the highway moving on from our experience with jz/ramtha. It's interesting to me that just as there is a similarity of people getting in to ramtha, there's often a similar journey leaving. As I've stated here before, it was a commonly held bel...
by Another Dimension60
Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:10 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Neuro linguistic Programming (NLP) in RSE
Replies: 69
Views: 12632

this perhaps belongs under "contradictions" = In the early-mid '80's, if anyone had an accomplishment of some sort (they weren't called 'manifestations' then) ramtha made a point of how we should thank God; i.e. not boast re our accomplishments.
by Another Dimension60
Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:58 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: passing this along ...
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

a little sidenote to Watcha and Unbound - now I understand the absurdity of married couples/partners not supporting each other in going to events - each had to find their own way to pay, sometimes parents did that to their children!! I hadn't realized it was actually a 'teaching'. How absurd. How un...
by Another Dimension60
Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:37 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Neuro linguistic Programming (NLP) in RSE
Replies: 69
Views: 12632

thanks Joe re the article -- as I said initially, my point in posting wasn't about the particular points the author of the article was making - it was the concept of hypnosis -- (as for politics and 'brainwashing' - I don't need to read 67 pages of someone else's bs - all I have to do is watch the e...
by Another Dimension60
Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:48 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: Just wondering ...
Replies: 167
Views: 37201

"well, me thinks you have been having private conversations with the David and Whatcha and apparently the camp lines are drawn." - as you so often say,Tree: bwahahah! javascript:emoticon(':lol:') ... I was simply asking based on what you yourself have posted here - no need to talk with watcha or dav...

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