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by Wakeup-Call
Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 pm
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Gregory May and Associates and the FAA
Replies: 10
Views: 2262

Re: Gregory May and Associates and the FAA

Hahaha! People came in with normal problems and came out obnoxious!

I cringe still when I think about some of my behaviour while in RSE, speaking my "truth".
I did a good bit of apologizing the past few years.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:43 am
Forum: The Movie: What The Bleep
Topic: More Review selections
Replies: 2
Views: 709

More Review selections

Interesting info about Captain Cook and the ships... According to João Magueijo, reader in theoretical physics at Imperial College, the film deliberately misquotes science. The American Chemical Society's review criticizes the film as a "pseudoscientific docudrama", saying "Among the more outlandish...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:33 am
Forum: The Movie: What The Bleep
Topic: Review of What the Bleep - Andre Immelman
Replies: 0
Views: 633

Review of What the Bleep - Andre Immelman

"In 2004, members of the RSE produced a controversial film entitled, What the Bleep Do We Know? The film attempted to advocate the connection between science and spirituality, but fell flat when its basic assumptions were outrightly rejected by the scientific community on the grounds of it’s “misrep...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:29 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Critique of "Let your feelings be your guide"
Replies: 2
Views: 735

Critique of "Let your feelings be your guide"

A pithy little critique of a common Ramtha teaching - by Andre Immelman..... A brief critique of what RSE teaches, concerns the question of epistemology (the theoretical study of the way we come into possession of knowledge) - Ramtha makes this startling claim: "Be open to truth regardless of its so...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:49 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: The Great Courses - American Religious History
Replies: 0
Views: 1519

The Great Courses - American Religious History

One of my initial hooks with RSE was the appearance of knowledge and learning, what with the bookstore, lecturers and suggested reading. The Great Courses have been a great contribution to feeding my mind without getting reattached to another religious philosophy. http://www.thegreatcourses.com/ The...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:17 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: An update from Wakeup-Call
Replies: 1
Views: 1361

An update from Wakeup-Call

Hi everyone, I think it's been about 4 years since I last posted. I've been going through boxes and organizing to sell most of my "doomsday prepper" supplies. Reminded me of EMF and thought I'd check in again! Glad to see the forum is still here for people. Professionally, I'm back on my feet. I fee...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:13 pm
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: My sister killed herself after leaving this cult in 2006.
Replies: 55
Views: 10065

David, I was distinguishing "Ramtha" for Megan - my personal belief is that it was "JZ performing as Ramtha" Vantage point - I was sitting near Megan's sister at that event and also near Dave at the one where "Ramtha" dressed him down with his wife and son standing by him. My point for others readin...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:36 am
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: My sister killed herself after leaving this cult in 2006.
Replies: 55
Views: 10065

Hi Megan...gosh, I really don't know what to say but my heart goes out to you. I was also at the event where your sister was slapped by Ramtha. From my vantage point, the slaps were not physically so hard...just on the line of where it was easy to be in the audience and rationalize that Ramtha was t...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:23 am
Forum: Student Deaths. Suicide Prevention Resources Abuse at RSE.
Topic: My sister killed herself after leaving this cult in 2006.
Replies: 55
Views: 10065

Going off topic for just a moment.... geez Tree, what were you thinking, giving JZ free stuff to steal? I expect your little quiz will become a 3-hour discipline in the advancing teachings of the Primary Retreat!!

:lol:
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:21 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: I'm new, greetings to you
Replies: 197
Views: 26815

Hi Pete, Glad you enjoyed your trip to Yelm! And thanks for posting your notes on your experience. Really interesting point about how a school really serious about bringing about enlightenment would do better at screening the mentally unstable - hadn't considered that before and point well taken. I ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:34 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: new updated land specifications
Replies: 1
Views: 750

What a scam - wonder how much Wiltsie's been told by Ramtha to give back to RSE in return for this wealth generation scheme.
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:38 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: more auction material
Replies: 4
Views: 1023

Holy Cow!!! JZ is really cleaning house!! I bet all the crap for sale at JZ Rose doesn't have much of a market in our economic climate. I am honestly shocked by the number of Ramtha robes for sale! Used to be just one a year at the Children's School auction. Well, yet another sign of the leaks in th...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:34 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: newest interview
Replies: 2
Views: 826

Oh please....JZ's spin on this story just keeps getting "better". I doubt anyone reading Fate magazine would stop and ask themselves more probing questions about this "truth" about what the researchers said.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:55 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: I'm new, greetings to you
Replies: 197
Views: 26815

Pete, I just re-read the thread here. In order to keep your wits about you at the event, I highly encourage you to watch the videos Tree recommended Derren Brown on YouTube to see some amazing examples of what can be accomplished with NLP And the movie The Wave on Google Video. And keep Tree's alert...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:34 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: I'm new, greetings to you
Replies: 197
Views: 26815

Hi Pete, A quick comment... RSE likes to tout that they are not a cult. JZ went through a very public divorce in Washington state. What RSE staff will say is this..."The Washington State Supreme Court determined we are not a cult." I hung my faith on that statement when I first got involved in RSE. ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:08 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: I'm new, greetings to you
Replies: 197
Views: 26815

Hi EMO, I was a student for 11 years and moved to the Yelm area after being involved with RSE after a year. I would add to the comments this advice for your retreat.... Here's basically what will happen and how they accomplish sucking you in to the belief that Ramtha has all the answers Greg Simmons...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:28 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: RSE Newsletter - Ramtha prophecy about the Black Pope
Replies: 16
Views: 3156

CD - "I am everything Ramtha is" was on the original list - i.e., what's on the recorded CDs The problem I have with "the last figment of hope" is that it doesn't even make sense. My guess is that JZ meant to say "last bastion of hope" or something like that. The definition of figment is "a mere pro...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:35 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: RSE Newsletter - Ramtha prophecy about the Black Pope
Replies: 16
Views: 3156

This is the stupidest load of garbage! JZ is really showing her age and the slowing down of her brain with this hogwash. First, there's not even a specific prophecy in here. But the shallow hooey about saying that if Obama "likens" himself to Lincoln then he'll create a civil war, and if he "likens"...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:21 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: RSE Newsletter - Ramtha prophecy about the Black Pope
Replies: 16
Views: 3156

RSE Newsletter - Ramtha prophecy about the Black Pope

?What do you have to look forward to in 2009? You have elected the last black pope, the last black pope of history. The seers of antiquity never knew what a president was. There was no such thing as a president. A superior, inspiring, spiritual leader was called a pope, so the seers saw in the lens ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:49 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: more blah blah with Steve Klein
Replies: 7
Views: 1825

I think it's funny and ironic that Steve unwittingly keeps giving Harding free press with his nitpicking attacks - I'm sure Harding just ends up solidifying his next term in the minds of the Yelm populace when they read the Steve Klein attacks..."oh, our Mayor took this up with the State Legislature...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:59 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Salma Hayek Marries French Billionaire
Replies: 2
Views: 899

And Salma's husband can afford the world's best private investigators... Since JZ and her puppet Steve like to read here on this board, I'm sure the billionaire's hired investigators have done the same and provided him with appropriate intel. I love it. So JZ best be minding her P's and Q's there. B...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:24 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Salma Hayek Marries French Billionaire
Replies: 2
Views: 899

Salma Hayek Marries French Billionaire

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20259388,00.html The father of her child. So nice to see. I suspected the whole Ramtha thing contributed to them calling off their engagement. So glad they overcame that barrier. LOL-since JZ claims Salma is her best friend, wonder if she got an invite to the ...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:40 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: laughable $$$$
Replies: 2
Views: 1040

omg Especially considering there are 17 copies over at Amazon.com offered between $25 and $100. Maybe a typo but seems unlikely...sounds more like a current student trying to manifest their fabulous wealth. I mean, if people will pay $10,000 for an hour with Rambles, why not ask for millions for his...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:36 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Letter from JZ Knight ... Event sales must be down :)
Replies: 10
Views: 1648

I thought it was quite funny today to see the email go out a 2nd time - to the same friggin email distribution list - but with a different subject line that it was for the International Students....and this time the letter spelled "losing" correctly. With Blue Body's abandonment, it will be interest...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:25 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Letter from JZ Knight ... Event sales must be down :)
Replies: 10
Views: 1648

Letter from JZ Knight ... Event sales must be down :)

Not surprising, event registrations must be way down...even long-time students don't feel like committing the cash to hear the same old lecture and do the same old disciplines. Will be interesting to see what incentives JZ comes up with to draw people into the Primary Retreat if BC turns out to be v...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:48 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Editor-wannabe
Replies: 12
Views: 1638

That's exactly my thought, G2G. Stevie-boy and JZ didn't like the story on the front page because it got every single student's attention in terms of the "create your day" teaching. Who created the crash into the wall?? Huh? Huh? Will there be an inquisition by JZ of her staff? Who fantasized about ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:41 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: New Discipline Weekend
Replies: 7
Views: 2124

I just noticed that the announcement for this event says it is being planned by Ramtha's appointed teachers. Geez...explains the discipline overkill and the entry into the video vaults. They all have to put their self somewhere in the agenda for the weekend. I almost posted this under the Blue Body ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:47 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Bonewits "cult danger" rating scale
Replies: 3
Views: 1246

What a great reference, Joe - Thanks!
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:58 am
Forum: Leaving RSE: The Aftermath
Topic: "No ordinary love"
Replies: 4
Views: 1844

I just logged in to post a link, not sure if this would resonate with anyone...and found Sara and Watcha's comments which match right up... This song came across my path recently - fortunately not one corrupted by RSE for me - A version by k.d. Lang of Leonard Cohen's "Hallejuah" - poignant http://w...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:09 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Future of RSE?
Replies: 37
Views: 3254

Watcha - I'm laughing... I gave for the carpet, too! Well... we are good and generous hearts, eh?

I remember the prophecy of 5000 students ... and dorms... and comfortable seats...oh and an RV section with power/water/sewage hookups. Uh huh.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:52 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Never knew...
Replies: 5
Views: 1549

The "end of the world is here" message is really reserved for people who've bought into the main teachings. They don't include it in the beginning teachings for exactly the reason you mention - critical thinking is still in place. The way TDTC stuff is introduced, I think it makes you feel "so lucky...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:46 am
Forum: Your RSE Experience & What Red Flags Woke You Up Toward Leaving?
Topic: Ice in Italy!
Replies: 3
Views: 1800

Sara - great observation. Wow - so familiar. It's very common for the weather in Washington to be credited as a "runner from Ramtha" Any slightly out of the ordinary phenomena is credited to the power of the Ram, and yes, as a student I participated the cheering and took it as a sign of Ram's presen...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:43 am
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Magic in words.
Replies: 13
Views: 3397

Good point, Sara. My current approach is that when I remember some phrase in my mind from Ramtha that I loved, I go looking online for the true source. For example, referring the snow in winter as "the great white silence" - which is from the poem The Call of the Wild. Every time I find the original...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:36 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Thank you
Replies: 6
Views: 1751

Susan, thanks for your gracious post. Since JZ's source of material for Ramtha has some basis in collected human wisdom, I hope you can take what actually works for you from what JZ/Ramtha has to offer. I also hope that because of what you've read here, that when conflicting information emerges from...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:26 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Future of RSE?
Replies: 37
Views: 3254

Joe, great post and explanation.
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:10 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Future of RSE?
Replies: 37
Views: 3254

Interesting question to ponder, Lurker. There are some factors currently that I think are indeed cracks in the foundation 1) JZ is aging - she's at least in her mid-60's now - can't keep up the pace or keep her story as straight 2) The "teachings" are not so unique anymore and so many other people o...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:17 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: DanceTheWind posted..
Replies: 28
Views: 4841

Dance - a word of friendly advice regarding the Rockumentary...be very careful with using or referencing any of JZ's material without consulting with her legal department first. JZ is a pitbull with even her current and former students when it comes to them doing ANYTHING that remotely resembles her...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:15 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: James Van Praagh
Replies: 0
Views: 1064

James Van Praagh

Very interesting, level-headed description of the psychic reading act http://www.holysmoke.org/praagh5.htm Toward the end is this great comment "...a wonderful statement by Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller fame, about exactly WHY what Van Praagh is doing is so bad. It would obviously be fine if he w...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:05 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: Marjoe Gortner
Replies: 24
Views: 34634

Great article! Thanks so much for posting it.
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:54 pm
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Feeling of Invincibility
Replies: 4
Views: 1329

[quote="ordinarymind"]it was very sobering, well shocking, actually, to have to face into the fact of my mortality ?..well, not just my mortality but also the inevitability of old age and declining capacity. [quote] Yes, that's it exactly. Sobering, then shocking. All the wine drinking with Ramtha w...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:43 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Feeling of Invincibility
Replies: 4
Views: 1329

Feeling of Invincibility

Tree used this expression in a recent post and it hit home to where I am right now in my recovery so I thought I'd add a new thread for conversation. It's a new aspect of personal loss I've been feeling. Initially, there's the big loss of Daddy Rambles, of being able to talk to the wind, of being pa...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:48 pm
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: NYE
Replies: 4
Views: 1266

That's too bad, Marie. If it's any consolation, probably the only time she spent outside was at the end of the event to go outside and do a 30-minute walk on the field. Also, I think it's a really good sign that she even shared with you her own concerns about the cold and her back. She might have be...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:18 pm
Forum: Your RSE Experience & What Red Flags Woke You Up Toward Leaving?
Topic: lack of focus?
Replies: 10
Views: 2483

Wow, Tree - your story brought back some many RSE catchphrases... I can just hear the woman's description regarding your departure to her new friend - Yeah well, she's caught up in her emotional body. We just have to be allowing. - Yeah well, that's her truth - Wow, I can't believe I manifested YOU ...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:19 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Happy whatever-you-call-it or... Newton's birhday ;-)
Replies: 18
Views: 2506

Optymystic... it was the Christians who overlaid Jesus' birthday onto pagan celebrations of winter solstice to make the new Christian religion more palatable. A little research will prove this out, despite what the USA fundamentalist Christians offer up as "history." Santa - Satan... c'mon, it's a s...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:51 am
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: Hooked by some good stuff?
Replies: 14
Views: 2796

Hi Sara, Welcome to EMF! I can relate to your story and it sounds like you have stopped and taken a pause to consider RSE at a perfect time. Everyone I know in RSE, including myself, was attracted to some positive aspect of Ramtha's teachings via the tapes, books, personal contact or beginning retre...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:12 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Chaos Teachings
Replies: 16
Views: 3069

Oscar Wilde - yep, that was the one Rambles claimed was coaching him. I remembered thinking at the time that Oscar must have been pretty frustrated with Rambles given how poor Rambles' verse was. I remember a couple of times Rambles supposedly shooing Oscar away and telling him that HE was the teach...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:05 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Chaos Teachings
Replies: 16
Views: 3069

Thanks for the reference, JTR. I just looked this up on Google. Here's the poem Call of the Wild by Robert Service. http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/service_r_w/call_wild.html Have you known the Great White Silence, not a snow-gemmed twig aquiver? (Eternal truths that shame our soothing lies)...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:15 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Chaos Teachings
Replies: 16
Views: 3069

Ah yes, "the great white silence" That is really so poetic - one of my favorites from old Rambles....wonder who JZ stole it from. Do you all remember the year that JZ had Ramtha talking in really horrible rhymes??? Said that he was getting coaching from a deceased English author (name escapes me at ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:12 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Chaos Teachings
Replies: 16
Views: 3069

G2G - excellent point with the lyrics. I'm sure Rambles tugs the heartstrings of everyone singing it to them. I remember the Luther Vandross song with the lyrics "I'll be here, every year, every Christmas" - yeah, yeah, Rambles the ultimate faithful lover. But given the circumstances, I agree with y...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:01 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: DanceTheWind posted..
Replies: 28
Views: 4841

I have a copy. PM me and I'll get it to you.
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:04 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: a note about Yelm.org
Replies: 5
Views: 1050

oh wait...what was I thinking.... JZ reads this board.... As soon as JZ feels Steve slipping away and maybe starting to think for himself, she'll read up on all the great things said about Harvey Milk and then have "Ramtha" talk to Steve and regurgitate the Milk compliments as prophecies for Steve i...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:00 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: a note about Yelm.org
Replies: 5
Views: 1050

Nice to see Steve taking it down a notch and taking a positive, "what do we have in common" spin. I'm just wondering how he reconciles in his mind the incongruity of being concerned about things like a library or anything in 2012 when everything's supposed to be tits up by then according to the Mast...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:10 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: "The Return to the Campaign"
Replies: 4
Views: 974

"The Return to the Campaign"

My, My...JZ is really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel for new material. A few comments: 1) Interesting choice of words to come from Ramtha..."I want everyone infected with it." With NLP, that kind of sounds like a cue for people to get sick. JZ and Mike have certainly been rooting for a ...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:42 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: legend of the seeker
Replies: 2
Views: 1046

Joe, great ending point about the fantasy or potential being mistaken for reality.

That's one of the areas of maturity I gained from my RSE experience... to look to see if a philosophy has consistent application AND accomplishment.
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:59 am
Forum: How Did You Get Hooked Into RSE ?
Topic: would we have joined RSE if we thought?Ramtha did not exist?
Replies: 9
Views: 2686

Short answer - NO
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:58 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Website evaluating Amway as a cult
Replies: 11
Views: 2264

They're going through some re-branding... Quixtar was basically the name they used to build up their online and global business. Alticorp was the parent company name. Now they are going back to the Amway name across the board for their branding. For example, Quixtar is now Amway Global. When brandin...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:37 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: The Glen Cunningham followup Q & A Video Interviews
Replies: 15
Views: 2767

Nice work, David.

$650,000 to buy the reincarnation of Ramtha's horse???? My stomach sank to hear that story. And then a restraining order against the guy who came and asked for his money back when she had agreed to do so???

How JZ Knight sleeps at night is beyond me...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:32 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Website evaluating Amway as a cult
Replies: 11
Views: 2264

To be fair to Amway, and also in contrast to Ms. JZ Knight.... In response to criticism, Amway leadership has been addressing the complaints. On the Amway blog, they discussed the problems they were having getting approval to do business in the UK. They have worked with distributors on some of these...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:28 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: secret santa gifts $100 bills
Replies: 1
Views: 728

Wonderful!

I would say 90% of Ramtha's teaching is on how to be on the receiving end of manifestation. There were times that there were lovely descriptions of God being a giver...but that was not the norm, in my experience at RSE. Very telling.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:13 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Orbs: The Debate
Replies: 31
Views: 5194

omg... so if they use cameras like CNN News, then this information about Orbs must be of the quality like CNN News! Yes, of course!!
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:36 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: MONTAUK
Replies: 21
Views: 3565

The missing posts..... must have gotten caught up in the time travel vortex.... :lol:
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:32 am
Forum: For Professionals: Teachers, Professors, Healthcare Workers
Topic: Homeopathy
Replies: 43
Views: 16958

Just a question...

As interesting as this is, shouldn't this thread be in the Off Topic section?
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:31 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: The Glen Cunningham followup Q & A Video Interviews
Replies: 15
Views: 2767

Dreamweaver, could you elaborate on the point you are making about the $100? I don't think anyone would argue that focus and action toward one's dreams sometimes results in some truly extraordinary circumstances and stories. It's hardly magic, though. And hardly a validation of the "realness" of Ram...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:23 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: The Glen Cunningham Video Interview September 1 2008
Replies: 36
Views: 6712

These videos and the EMF Forum in general is a fantastic addition to the world-wide Internet community. Before I got involved in RSE, I did an Internet search on Ramtha and JZ Knight. (This was well before Internet access was easy and everywhere). With my critical thinking still in tact at that poin...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:32 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Website evaluating Amway as a cult
Replies: 11
Views: 2264

Website evaluating Amway as a cult

http://www.cocs.com/jhoagland/amcult.html#critical This is interesting. They take the characteristics of a cult (from a book) and evaluate each briefly against Amway. One interesting quote was that everyone is susceptible. For me, this was an interesting and helpful read to step back and look at the...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:40 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: RSE Testimonials on 1:1 Sessions with Ramtha
Replies: 9
Views: 1537

What's so sad to me about Michelle's story is her anxiety before going to see Rambles. I remember feeling that way before every truth teaching wine ceremony. It took courage for people just to show up because you didn't know if you might be the one "picked on" or "exposed." Little did I know that th...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:33 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Has anyone ever asked "The Ram" what exists prior
Replies: 8
Views: 1217

Ex, I think you must have a wormhole in your washing machine, not a black hole, since extra socks show up in my machine. Wow, another mystery solved here on EMF. We should charge $30,000 for an account. Whatcha - yes, that is so right about Rambles story about what's beyond point zero. His friends h...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:29 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: RSE Testimonials on 1:1 Sessions with Ramtha
Replies: 9
Views: 1537

Ex... LOL!!!
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:44 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: God is god
Replies: 11
Views: 1579

Abigail Adams (wife of founding father John Adams) asked her daughter in a letter...

When will Mankind be convinced that true Religion is from the Heart, between Man and his creator, and not the imposition of Man or creeds and tests?
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:41 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: God is god
Replies: 11
Views: 1579

I'm exploring the Unitarian Universalist church... part of a community but you get to decide for yourself what you believe. Their principles and sources really resonate with me. There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote: 1) The inherent worth and dignit...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:20 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: RSE Testimonials on 1:1 Sessions with Ramtha
Replies: 9
Views: 1537

RSE Testimonials on 1:1 Sessions with Ramtha

Part of me reads these and remembers this kind of insane worship...happily, the stronger part of me now laughs at the scam that was pulled... a $30,000 psychic reading that goes for $50 on the streets This is from the latest RSE newsletter Unforgettable One-on-One Session with Ramtha ?All the nervou...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:13 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: frightened children...
Replies: 44
Views: 6053

Truster has left the building, I mean forum.
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:48 pm
Forum: Omega: It Never Paid. The David Hudson swindle and other RSE scams and shills
Topic: Omega Info (reposted here)
Replies: 18
Views: 5825

The stock investment was something one of her sons got her into. Something computer related. It was someone he met that he brought to JZ for capital funding. So she got on the board of directors. At an event celebrating her fabulous wealth, she shared that she tried to get Linda Evans to join in on ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:40 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: CYY Progressive Discipline Workshop
Replies: 3
Views: 1625

Create Your Year

Hey, we need to start a thread for my prophecies that come true!! Remember? Remember? I said there would be a January workshop!! I know....you're all like "whoa, amazing."

Gotta run call Rick Ross, NVN, Steve Klein and my marketing rep.
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:46 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Question From A Lurker
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

Also wanted to note that I thought this was a great question for reflection.

I would like to encourage other lurkers out there to feel free to send a question privately like this person did, for posting.
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:42 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Question From A Lurker
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

Tree, excellent posts. Really great explanation for people on how people entrenched in the RSE brainwashing deal with the cognitive dissonance of so many inconsistencies in the teachings. Yes, Ramtha the ultimate adapter. It's based on acceptance that Ramtha (like the concept of God) is the one enti...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:48 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Question From A Lurker
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

My two cents... 1) Evangelical - that's a good observation. As an ex-evangelical and an ex-Ramster, I would agree with some similarities. The "rapture" of evangelical Christianity in RSE is really "surviving the Earth's changes." During the year before I left RSE, I became more aware that no one in ...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:32 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Steve Klein's "charge" to become Mayor of Yelm
Replies: 3
Views: 1319

Steve Klein's "charge" to become Mayor of Yelm

Just some pondering thoughts... I think it's interesting that the focus of JZ (as Ramtha) is on Steve Klein becoming mayor, not on Jean Christensen in the state legislature. Well, duh, of course she can get much more personal benefit by having the mayor in her pocket. Christensen has the Democratic ...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:11 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: I understand that the Wine Ceremonies have "resumed...?
Replies: 21
Views: 3871

Wine Ceremonies starting up again

Wine ceremonies - wow, only surprised that it took this long to get them going again. Being dumped at the holidays - classic reason to turn to drinking. But I'm not surprised at the Wine Ceremonies kicking in again. I'm sure the newbies hear enough stories from the old-timers about the "days of wine...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:53 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Blog on paranormal
Replies: 4
Views: 1294

fyi, James Gilliland was an RSE student in the early years of the school. At one point, he told me Ramtha told him he needed to go pursue his dream. Something vague like that. Which James took to mean to go explore his own channeling-type pursuits. It's only been recently that Gilliland has been rec...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:44 am
Forum: EMF Debate Forums - Rules For Posting, How to post, Registration Agreement Terms and Contact Info
Topic: Yeah Those Photoshoped Eyes
Replies: 15
Views: 2625

Ordinary Mind, I respectfully disagree with you. My two cents - I think Truster kept the wisecrack in the realm of good form. Other terms I would agree would be offensive.

Personally, I laughed when I read his post!
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:31 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Look into my eyes
Replies: 6
Views: 2008

Yep, I had the photo of Ram with the "magic instructions" - and then the posters by Laura that were all touched up but supposedly "high frequency" energy. When the photo of the eyes came out, Ramtha said that looking into his eyes was an essential part of our training. More like and essential part o...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:57 pm
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Could we talk about education?
Replies: 19
Views: 3334

Ignatius, I wanted to comment on the Wharton MBAs and John Hopkins reference... I agree we won't see the general population committing a mass suicide. On the other hand, I've known my fair share of Wharton MBAs (I interned with Joseph Jett who was on the front page of the Wall St Journal at the cent...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:25 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Could we talk about education?
Replies: 19
Views: 3334

Hi Ignatious, My experience is that the group as a whole is pretty well educated. I have a B.A. in Accounting from a Big Ten university and a masters in Telecommunications Management. Was the chief of staff to the Chief Information Officer of one of the largest insurance companies in the US. Certain...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:11 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: The Secret audio book & "Create Your Day"
Replies: 4
Views: 1000

Truster, I posted earlier this summer that one of the things that really appalled me to the point of starting to think critically about RSE was the nasty put-downs of The Secret by RSE staff when it came out. Truly ridiculous and petty criticism when it was knowledge very akin to Ramtha's...why WOUL...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:49 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Steve Klein AGAIN (my apologies)
Replies: 2
Views: 1154

Good job, Steve, getting a little positive...though still highly political, but then you are running for mayor 24/7. Allow me to repeat myself since we're on the repetitive theme... RSE shills, you can't have things both ways. You can't crow and crow about the fact that we're in a recession, if not ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:41 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: The Secret audio book & "Create Your Day"
Replies: 4
Views: 1000

The Secret audio book & "Create Your Day"

I started laughing in the car yesterday. Was listening to The Secret on audio book. (I'm back to listening to the ideas I heard about via RSE but now have a criteria that presenter give credit to the source of what they are sharing). There's a whole section on Create Your Day. Yes, Mike, JZ, Steve -...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:28 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: A New Kind of Thankfulness
Replies: 13
Views: 1851

Hear, Hear.

Thanks to the creators of this forum and for everyone who has published their real experiences, keep the info coming that explains JZ's latest spin and to all of you for your support during this process of recovering from the lies and general "messed-up-ness" of JZ Knight.
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:06 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: amusing ad: I have enhancers
Replies: 2
Views: 805

omg.... Let me guess what the two enhancers are.... 1) With your one hand, put $2000 in George's pocket...gold and silver coins only 2) Put your other hand in George's other pocket and pull on his lucky lottery handle...pull hard now...harder This will be the new discipline at the special Assay yet ...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:00 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Greg's predictions Nov 2008
Replies: 5
Views: 1600

I noticed the "stable job" in Greg's latest newsletter. What a shocker! When in the world has anyone at RSE ever encouraged people to have a stable job?!!! No, it's always been move to Yelm - and I mean Yelm, people. The culture is such that if you're even within the supposed 35 mile safe area radiu...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:52 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Steve's Beef about 103rd near Walmart
Replies: 6
Views: 1281

"Rambles"....hahaha...that's so funny and appropriate
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:26 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Steve's Beef about 103rd near Walmart
Replies: 6
Views: 1281

You know, Steve, why don't you write a series of Letters to the Editor telling the people of Yelm something you think was done right for a change? Show that you notice more than just what you perceive as a screw-up. Or just send in letters that begin with "I should be major and not the other guy...a...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:23 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: RSE Students spend $2,031,884 in County in1st 3 qtrs
Replies: 11
Views: 1950

I agree about those forms. People had so many questions, especially the people who didn't speak English. I'm a trained accountant and had problems with the categories and the explanations. Plus, these forms were filled out toward the end of events if not the end of lengthy fieldwork so we were are p...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:39 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Gone with the Wind
Replies: 3
Views: 1637

Steve really seems to be losing his focus lately...he just lashes as soon as anything is published in NVN with no apparent thought or goal. Now he looks to be attacking the mayor personally...tsk tsk...people don't like that Steve-O. You're only helping him get more votes. Hope Steve keeps the const...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:36 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: RSE Students spend $2,031,884 in County in1st 3 qtrs
Replies: 11
Views: 1950

Let's see JZ is probably counting the money that went for the auctioned private time with Ramtha...and this year's amount of labor that went into the diamond heiress' new home. Two million dollars, give me a freakin' break... I'm sure there is some interesting accounting going on to come up with tha...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:31 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Trespassing charges against former JZ spokesman dropped
Replies: 3
Views: 1324

Will be interesting to see the next set of charges...if 15 of 25 photos show he was in a "no trespassing" area... Well Greg S. can always "remember" the photos differently so that the next time the court looks at them, there will be no trespassing signs. Then he'll have a new master story he can tel...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:57 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: JZ KNIGHT'S VERY OWN WEBSITE
Replies: 4
Views: 1002

Looks like the handiwork of Steve Klein...very good, JZ... responding to the EMF criticisms and those of the NVN letters to the editor that you never respond to anything yourself. So now you have a website and Steve Klein has to write and make it look like YOU did it! Brilliant! Your lackey status, ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:40 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: frightened children...
Replies: 44
Views: 6053

David, is that a real question for all of us? What I take from truster's post is that instead of taking the approach of proving there is no snake and therefore nothing to fear, or being in the bathroom with her, to find a way to empower your daughter. More practically, what about arming her with kno...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:35 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: A New Spin on the Same Old Same Old?
Replies: 10
Views: 2237

Yep, I remember getting up and getting a new partner who could share better. A challenge when everyone was drunk and falling asleep. Hey, you know what - it was great seeing these mini-videos online. For the first time last night, when I watched I didn't "see" Ramtha right off the bat so I was able ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:39 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Keeping up with the Joneses, I mean The Secret teachers
Replies: 12
Views: 1635

Keeping up with the Joneses, I mean The Secret teachers

http://ramtha.com/HomeStudyProgram/ Yes, now JZ offers a home study program for Ramtha. There's no seed packets, though, or Moving Guide to Yelm. I was a little surprised. Maybe it will be in the Blue College HomeStudyProgram...along with a 3x5 emergency blanket and poncho. Hey maybe we should put t...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:32 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: YouTube and RSE Media Machine
Replies: 14
Views: 1653

CD - I'm going to check back tomorrow on youtube - might take 24 hours for it to post. I just signed up for an account today and validated it. But from the link above for the RSE Web Team videos, you have to click on each video and then post your comment. Also, you have to have a youtube account to ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:20 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: YouTube and RSE Media Machine
Replies: 14
Views: 1653

YouTube and RSE Media Machine

Whoa, I just checked out the link in another thread and WOW - the RSE media machine is blasting youtube with Ramtha segments. Here's a call for you all to go post comments on these youtube segments and include the link to our EMF Forum. I just did. H Let's get this strategy of JZ's to backfire by ma...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:03 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

haha - good one - the empress isn't wearing any clothes because she's selling them all on ebay. LOL! It will be fun when we hear what teaching comes out with the Christmas and New Year's events. I started to write some strategy down here for JZ but then thought, heck, I'm not getting paid like her P...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:09 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: caris hensley ???
Replies: 10
Views: 1667

That whole naming the kids by JZ thing is creepy...I bet that is one of the very top reasons for not being able to face facts about the JZ cult..."omg, I let her name my kid"...

Fortunatlely, like you say, names can be changed.
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:06 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

Salma

Don't know if she's stilling showing up for RSE retreats. I was at a retreat when Ramtha made disparaging remarks referring to her in that she was missing her required event in order to attend the Academy Awards. (We all knew who Ramtha meant...how many RSE students can get a ticket to the Academy A...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:01 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

Ok, point taken about not getting too crazy with the JZ-mocking here on a public forum I do think there's value in poking fun at the next likely step before it happens. I think that is an important mindset to get current students back into some critical thinking. One has to use critical thinking to ...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:38 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Steve Klein's "prattle"
Replies: 8
Views: 1986

haha - that is so funny! I'm with you, Tree. Yep, really hit a nerve with Steve. Ok, Steve, so if you're reading....and now we know you are....my point is you need to be more succinct if you want to be read and have a better chance of being heard. People like me stop reading you because 1) you don't...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:01 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

It will also be interesting to see who JZ taps next. I'm sure Mike W. will be salivating - they could rule the world together, right Mike? It wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't go after Salma Hayek's brother - handsome, young, tall, can't take his eyes off JZ/Ramtha. The good thing about that match...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:50 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

Interesting point, Tree. Will be interesting to see if Fred or Linda move on to a new relationship next.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:44 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: STARTING A NEW LIFE
Replies: 23
Views: 3458

If the lifeline is working for you to move forward in your life, I'm all for whatever it takes. That said, I do want to comment that saying "Jesus lives within all of us" is as much without proof and substance as JZ's claims to channel. Sorry, just going to say the statement is nonsensical as far as...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:15 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: The Glen Cunningham Video Interview September 1 2008
Replies: 36
Views: 6712

1) Ask a follow-up about "drinking the kool-aid" - it was clearly a metaphor for "doing whatever crazy assed thing JZR tells these people to do" - gives him the chance to reference sea-water, prozac...I don't imagine the Ramsters would like those items showing up in NVN as a result of their complain...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:10 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: how's Blue Body ?
Replies: 50
Views: 8392

Good for James! This will be another little seed toward awakening from the JZ/Ramtha scam in the minds of the faithful. James and JZ were the ultimate soulmates - remember the old cassette tape story about the 3 initiates? I have it, will have to dig it out of the packed boxes. I'd love to transcrib...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:04 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: EMF Compared To Alcoholics Anonymous
Replies: 6
Views: 1003

That's funny 8)
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:58 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: a new ad
Replies: 4
Views: 1264

I love it! Very creative. "You're not using it so don't be so selfish with it and certainly don't ask me for any money or service in trade."

omg - so funny
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:52 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Nov 7 NVN Letter to the Editor
Replies: 8
Views: 1301

Nicely done, Tree. Especially the reference to the kindness of the Yelm locals not in RSE.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:25 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: NVN Article 11/7/08 - RSE Sewer Overtapped ...
Replies: 14
Views: 2039

It can't be just me.... I swear, I'm actually still interested in the topic and I can barely make myself read Steve Klein's prattle. In that way, I thank him for his service to the demise of RSE by boring Yelm-ites out of their mind such that they stop reading as soon as they see his name and think,...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:18 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: A Story of Grandpa and His Footlocker
Replies: 42
Views: 4831

I think this is a choice that is personal, that there's not an obvious best path regarding what to do with the RSE materials. Another point that factored into my decision to sell and something I included in my comments when asked why I was selling... I personally don't think the whole ball of RSE te...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:40 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Economy not bringing in enough $$$ ??
Replies: 5
Views: 1019

I saw this too, Tree. Now that I just moved, this one gave me a chuckle. That was a good sign, that I laughed rather than finding it stupid and annoying. Ramtha's shit doesn't stink so I'm sure that will be for sale soon, too. Selling the sewage should also help with addressing the complaint from th...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:34 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: A Story of Grandpa and His Footlocker
Replies: 42
Views: 4831

My two cents... I thought about this quite a bit this summer regarding my Ramtha stash. I reached the conclusion for myself that I would sell the stuff on ebay and craig's list with the attitude of "one man's trash is another man's treasure." I make sure not to over-hype any of it, just put it out t...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:04 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: I need a CONCRETE source for Ramtha DTC info...
Replies: 13
Views: 2433

Try linking people to Greg Simmons' newsletter. He has them all available in archives so you might have to do some digging to link to just what you want. http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter.html His newsletter is now almostly completely about the Doom and Gloom forecasts and he periodically qu...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:56 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: NVN Article 11/7/08 - RSE Sewer Overtapped ...
Replies: 14
Views: 2039

#4 was funny!

Yes, confession is good for the soul. Instead of a midnight porta-potty run, I pee'd on the ground outside the tent or trailer.

I love that the developers came up with this approach! Should creep out the community, too, all that extra sewage...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:13 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: recycled ignorance
Replies: 5
Views: 1355

I saw the "new" same-old, same-old recommended reading. I thought it was funny JZ couldn't come up with anything new so exactly - she's bringing up the recycled ignorance for the newbies and will of course dress-down the old-timers that they need to read it again because they still have not become m...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:51 am
Forum: Starting Your Recovery Process
Topic: Entitlement
Replies: 11
Views: 1788

Tree, omg, I can completely relate to that attitude about "my fabulous wealth will be here any day and I can shove off from this life as a minion." I know I didn't do myself any favors professionally by carrying that chip on my shoulder even though I never said as much out loud. So now I am back to ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:36 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Would RSE students drink the kool-aid ??
Replies: 4
Views: 1333

From another angle, I found James Flick's offense to the Kool-aid remark to be incredibly hollow...Good Lord...the Ramsters are all so well-trained to do exactly as they're advised and they move fast and in a pack... A few examples... 1) A Twinkie a Day for the preservatives to extend life 2) 20-30 ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:16 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Would RSE students drink the kool-aid ??
Replies: 4
Views: 1333

I can envision a scenario where JZ gets old and/or can't see a way out of the corner she's painted herself into. Rather than come clean and get sued for all she's worth or retire and lose all the attention she craves, I could see her engaging a mass suicide. All she'd have to do is come up with some...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:59 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: NPR segment
Replies: 7
Views: 1440

Oh, that article from Debbie just slayed me. It could just as easily have been explained as a lucky day at the races that any one of us could have had.

Typical of the RSE dolts...they only post the random successes.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:22 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: NPR segment
Replies: 7
Views: 1440

Excellent info, Tree. Thanks for posting it.
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:15 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Not only an Ex-Ramster, now a Frustrated Friend of Ramsters
Replies: 5
Views: 1615

Thanks for your comments, everyone. I really am looking forward to a new environment and not having conversations circle around undergrounds, buying gold/silver, propane refrigerators vs solar-powered ones...and getting back to having an interesting life. Calif Dream: I got some help from my sister ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:24 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Not only an Ex-Ramster, now a Frustrated Friend of Ramsters
Replies: 5
Views: 1615

Not only an Ex-Ramster, now a Frustrated Friend of Ramsters

Auggghhhh, I am here to share just how frustrating and infuriating and insidious this cult's programming is! I am really grateful for having read so much of the family & friends posts here on EMF as I processed my own exit contemplations this summer. In my first posts, I mentioned some non-current R...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:46 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: From Steve Klein to Tree & Whatcha
Replies: 8
Views: 2117

Hey Steve Klein, How about turning your considerable resources and communication talents to a book like Scott McLellan? For years, Scott was the consummate loyalist, exhibiting faithful, unquestioning devotion to his boss, George W. Bush. As White House press secretary, he scrappily presented the ad...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:30 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: KNIGHT **LOST** LAWSUIT !!!
Replies: 15
Views: 3316

The online version of the article in the Olympian provides the opportunity to comment...which several of us have.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/614136.html

Click on "Comments" beneath the byline
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:41 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Australia Workshop with Ramtha
Replies: 15
Views: 3167

Hey Aussiegirl - just agreeing that you're not letting anyone down. IF MONEY WERE NO OBJECT, it would be fun to hear of your adventure since you are so quick. Sometimes I think about going back to beginners (again, if money and time off were no object) to break up the programming people get. You kno...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:02 pm
Forum: For Professionals: Teachers, Professors, Healthcare Workers
Topic: Can anyone answer some questions for a research assignement?
Replies: 11
Views: 2457

I agree with Ex about the predictions. She has made so many at different times that no matter what happens, she can her staff go dig through the transcripts and find where "Ramtha predicted this." When it comes to science, Ramtha's so-called predictions can be shown that JZ can access to some new re...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:29 am
Forum: For Professionals: Teachers, Professors, Healthcare Workers
Topic: Can anyone answer some questions for a research assignement?
Replies: 11
Views: 2457

Hi Alison, welcome to the forum and I think it's great you're doing a report on the RSE group. I'll address a few of your questions before I go to bed. I know others will add their perspectives. First, I wanted to clarify that it's JZ Knight, not RZ Knight. There's a convention on the forum to refer...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:37 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Australia Workshop with Ramtha
Replies: 15
Views: 3167

LOL...

If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I would pay for the private session for Aussie Girl to take the private audience with Ramtha/JZ that's up for auction at that event. And send her in wired. And have David record it for the Internet.

ahhhh, that would great fun!
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:35 am
Forum: RSE Discrepancies
Topic: Pot and wine
Replies: 19
Views: 4996

You know, this is absolutely creepiest possible scenario of my whole Ramtha experience... that it is a government mind control experiment. I try not to dwell on that possibility and leave it as JZ is a greedy, compassionless, narcissitic sociopath. Well, as Ramtha once said..."This is one entity tha...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:29 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: JZ Knights' Remove View on Dave Ross
Replies: 2
Views: 975

Oh, absolutely. And the ever-present cop out for failure of "as it is seen now...."
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:27 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Tahoma Terra Claims RSE is Overtappintg Water Supply
Replies: 12
Views: 2110

Well, of course that's what the overseers are going to say, otherwise it looks like they didn't do a very good job monitoring the ranch in the first place. However.... what I expect will happen as a result of Tahoma Terra's complaint is that JZ & Flick will have the auditors up in their shorts all t...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:39 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: People who've "seen" Ramtha
Replies: 21
Views: 4466

Tree... thank you!

omg...you're kidding me...the only thing Kenny admits to seeing is a purple orb??? I thought (and so many others) Kenny was seeing Ramtha in his supposed human body. It's one of the top currently popular reasons for "believing"
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:50 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: The Glen Cunningham Video Interview September 1 2008
Replies: 36
Views: 6712

Fantastic! Thank you, David. Thank you, Glen.
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:17 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: JZK vs. Weaver: my Opinion
Replies: 47
Views: 8529

Licensing the Teachings

Licensing the teachings....interesting.... I wonder if JZ has in mind to manifest more fabulous wealth via franchising or something similar. I had posted a question about how Jacqui Davis gets away with Dance N Create without a lawsuit from JZ. http://www.dancencreate.com/zenbuilder/Home.php Looks l...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:37 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Need help! Parents are Ramsters!
Replies: 13
Views: 2527

Big Dave, I was a student for 10 years and just put all my questions and doubts together this summer and realized RSE is a cult. Personally, I think one of the best things you can do is not let a huge gulf grow between you and parents. Otherwise, they will connect all the more with other Ramsters. H...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:17 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Frustration
Replies: 13
Views: 2164

Back to JTR's original question... I think it's true about so many things in life (like a crappy boyfriend), especially with teens, that the more you try to get them away from something, the more you'll push them toward it. Sounds like you struck the best balance you could with not trying to pull he...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:05 am
Forum: Lawsuits & Court cases - JZK,Inc - latest lawsuit - RSE Music Copyright Infringments
Topic: JZK vs. Weaver: my Opinion
Replies: 47
Views: 8529

Pin the Tail on the Donkey - that is soooooo good!

Also love the question as to why JZ didn't just pick up the phone and call her devoted student? Why start with the lawsuit, oh ye great enlightened, loving peacemaker?
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:57 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Private Sessions with Ramtha up for bid
Replies: 17
Views: 3316

I would LOVE it if these "audiences" didn't sell at all...or at least only went for $10k...nothing near the CSE auction of $170k Listing Format: Auction Current price : $10,000.00 # of bids: 0 Closes: 13 Days, 16 Hours + Location: Yelm, WA Started: 9/5/2008 4:25:29 PM Ends: 9/24/2008 5:00:00 PM And ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:21 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Private Sessions with Ramtha up for bid
Replies: 17
Views: 3316

omg, Whatcha - that's a great idea for JZ! Auction off Ramtha's runners!!

I wish she would...maybe her greed and craziness would finally be transparent enough for students to question what is going on.
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:39 am
Forum: About Staff & Cult Leaders: Its All About Me
Topic: Private Sessions with Ramtha up for bid
Replies: 17
Views: 3316

Private Sessions with Ramtha up for bid

http://www.rse-auctions.com/

Not that we didn't see this coming once the CSE fundraiser took in $170,000 for an hour with Ramtha.

JZ's gotta find the people who'd be willing to pay 1 billion dollars for a share in the Ramtha franchise with no voting rights.
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:36 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Origination of Nomenclature
Replies: 9
Views: 2240

That is so funny.... but also, seems like there's a ring of truth to it given JZ's work history in the cable TV industry!
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:45 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: The emerging "Teaching" re: the EMF Forum
Replies: 19
Views: 4036

To be clear about how I heard about EMF at the Ranch. They didn't say exactly "EMF" - I had to Google for it. But when the LARSE meeting occurred both staff and Ramtha mentioned it here and there about disgruntled students who couldn't do the Great Work, teachings from Ramtha on how he was going to ...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:21 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: RSE Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 35
Views: 5589

Swami... How much QM have you really read? What you've posted so far indicates to me that you're taking at face value the Mike Wright guide to QM. I fell into that trap myself. How would you address this "Fact" about QM? It is relevant at small scales but not at large.[/ b] Yet RSE's teachings, usin...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:19 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: The emerging "Teaching" re: the EMF Forum
Replies: 19
Views: 4036

You know, JZ and staff may have finally realized that by ranting about the EMF forum at the Ranch they are only marketing it to new students. I didn't know there was a forum until I heard about it at the Ranch and then eventually found my way here to read.
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:17 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: The emerging "Teaching" re: the EMF Forum
Replies: 19
Views: 4036

Interesting comments, Tree. I think more and more people in the Yelm area are starting to talk more freely about things that don't add up coming out of RSE. If the whole truth suddenly came out about JZR, I think it would be like Hurricane Katrina hitting Yelm. There would be many people economicall...
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:06 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: RSE Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 35
Views: 5589

Comment from Bill Harris

fyi - I asked Bill Harris a question on a recent blog post he made in order to expand on the conversation with JTR & Swami in this thread. What I want to point out, Swami, in contrast to RSE: 1) When asked an intelligent thoughtful question, "the teacher" responds with an intelligent, relevant answe...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:28 am
Forum: Destructive Manipulative Sects/Cults/Corperations, Cult Leaders Other Than RSE/JZ Knight
Topic: Council of 13
Replies: 17
Views: 3519

Council of 13

I just started watching the original Battlestar Galactica from 1978. Imagine my surprise that it began with a council of 12 (one representative from each planet colony) with later identifying Earth as a far-outlying 13th colony. Interesting that Ramtha talked about his Council of 13. The USA as a na...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:30 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: RSE Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 35
Views: 5589

You're absolutely right JTR about the appeal of all The Secret teachers for workshop junkies. I wanted to give credit for his statement that at least moves beyond "we create our own reality by focus only " which is fundamentally what is professed at RSE. I think the quote itself is objective. He doe...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:51 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: RSE Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 35
Views: 5589

p.s. Swami, I don't think it's possible to have a discussion about what is taught at RSE and separate it from how it is lived at RSE.
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:49 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: RSE Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 35
Views: 5589

Yes, I agree with "we create our reality." Which is to say I believe as humans we have free will and do not live in a completely Clockwork Universe of pre-destination. Which is also to say I believe we all get to make choices and experience the consequences of those choices and then continue on with...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:54 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: An en-lightening experience?
Replies: 4
Views: 1079

Oh, that is great, David! Make sure to put a pyramid over the well.
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:40 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Orbs: The Debate
Replies: 31
Views: 5194

I watched the video Swami recommended that RSE is now touting. Guess is too boring to watch orb photo shows at the ranch now when they are commonplace. Anyway, I had a thought that made me laugh tonight... presuming for the moment that the orbs are in fact people who have died...they way they are zo...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:08 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: An en-lightening experience?
Replies: 4
Views: 1079

It'll be the new discipline of the Fall Retreats... Everyone focus on lightning striking twice on the home of the man who's calling the beloved school a "cult." Seriously, hope everyone is ok, David. Why doesn't Ramtha put his focus on getting Omega to fund instead of bringing down his adversaries? ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:03 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: JZ on the 2008 Political Climate
Replies: 12
Views: 2219

That is funny, Oldone... Ramtha is in a bit of a bind now as to who to back... if women are the most discrimated against people of all time, the money should be on McCain. But JZ's now on record for loving Obama.

Maybe she can convince Sarah to be her new best friend.
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:55 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: ramtha.tv
Replies: 3
Views: 1670

That's funny, Tree. It gives me a new perspective about the future of the school. It can only grow so big, no matter how many schills JZ turns into teachers to run more workshops to gather more recruits. I think you're right. Eventually social networking will kick in and people will really start com...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:48 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: The emerging "Teaching" re: the EMF Forum
Replies: 19
Views: 4036

The emerging "Teaching" re: the EMF Forum

This is interesting... this is what I've been able to put together from the comments to me about leaving RSE from current students who "love Ramtha." Apparently, JZR is no longer saying s/he will bring EMF down. No, this is a place for people who have a special journey and that's ok. Apparently, we ...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:36 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: JZ on the 2008 Political Climate
Replies: 12
Views: 2219

FYI - copy and paste the entire link above (you need the "uncut") Hear, Hear, Tree. I wanted the interviewer to ask JZ, in response to her touting Ramtha's most excellent copyrighted predictions... "So, JZ, what copyrighted predictions does Ramtha have for us on the horizon?" How about committing on...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:21 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Intreview of JZ on TDTC
Replies: 2
Views: 1156

You must be on a different timeline, Oldone, because that's what JZ remembers and has always remembered for as long as she can remember (which maybe is only about 5 minutes these days....Alzheimer's starting to kick in and all)
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:19 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Russia doomsday cult prays for sign to leave bunker
Replies: 10
Views: 1965

Hi Ordinary Mind, I found this idea equally shocking when it first crossed my mind! But as I mentioned, in reading about some of the End Times, Doomsday cults, well, it's hard to miss where JZ is heading. In the last 2 years, the almost exclusive emphasis on "The Days That are Here" preparations in ...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:42 pm
Forum: The so called Scientific Study on JZ Knight-Ramtha
Topic: flawed study does not rule out fraud
Replies: 8
Views: 3026

It would be great if 60 Minutes would get on this as an expose. She's getting so out there in her marketing and so far beyond "stretching the truth" now that she's outright lying.
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:37 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Santa Cruz July 30
Replies: 1
Views: 726

Oh, yes - I love how lately students pay $600-$1300 to attend an event and JZ shows movies that they can see for free online (Zeitgeist) or pay a small fee to rent or buy the DVD. And also, taking time out of an event to send everyone to see a documentary at the Yelm Theaters. Wow, I sure couldn't d...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:27 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Orbs: The Debate
Replies: 31
Views: 5194

Oh, I should add that I'm open now to the possibility that there is a simple explanation to the orbs phenomena. I did get caught up in the all the fantabulous, magical explanations Ramtha offered. I've made the light effect orbs but they are different than the cell-like ones. So I'm at the place of ...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:37 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Orbs: The Debate
Replies: 31
Views: 5194

This is such a great example of what happens when JZ gets hold of some "phenomena" I have a high pixel camera and did a lot of experiments to try and get smudges, fog, etc. Even took photos with my hand in a woven mitten (where some light could get through) over the lens and got some very interestin...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:20 pm
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: "Not a Cult" by Washington Courts
Replies: 1
Views: 1214

"Not a Cult" by Washington Courts

Can anyone assist in addressing the statement by RSE that the Washington State courts determined that RSE "is not a cult" during JZ's divorce lawsuit with Jeff Knight? I never checked it into, but assumed it was true when Ramtha and the RSE staff said so. I used that as "evidence" with people all th...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:38 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swami, you might find interesting this official quote from JZ's attorneys regarding a complaint. The full complaint and full response can be found in the Legal thread on this forum. Jan 4th, 2007 - 4:33 PM Re: Response of AG Dept. and Lawyer of JZ Knight The Teachings are not intended, and certainly...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:12 pm
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Russia doomsday cult prays for sign to leave bunker
Replies: 10
Views: 1965

You know, all joking aside... given the latest wacked out TDTC assignment (bury your food on your property in plastic, no metal)...and how quickly everyone jumped on it.... I wonder what the future of RSE will be? My prediction is that JZ will reach a point of no longer being able to control the sch...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:56 pm
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Great experiment, JTR. Thanks for sharing that Swami. Swami - I would agree with JTR that your very presence here at EMR shows you can still think for yourself. I think one of the points we're making is that RSE uses enthusiasm for human potential such as you have. They insidously weave a whole othe...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:24 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: email from Greg Simmons
Replies: 12
Views: 2891

See & E: omg, that was so funny Swami: As demonstrated by See & E and elsewhere on the forum, it is not that hard to come up with Ramtha-style predictions that are either obvious (aka that there are economic cycles) or vague so that eventually RSE can claim they got a hit. With the mortgage and bank...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:17 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swami - the link to the thread on the disciplines causing damage to the mind http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=322 Swami - regarding Quantum Physics. I still enjoy reading and studying the discoveries in the sciences, including quantum physics. I'm especially ...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:03 am
Forum: RSE a Doomsday Cult
Topic: Russia doomsday cult prays for sign to leave bunker
Replies: 10
Views: 1965

Russia doomsday cult prays for sign to leave bunker

A future potential story for Yelm, WA????? Love the fact that the leader didn't go underground... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russia doomsday cult prays for sign to leave bunker by Chris Baldwin NIKOLSKOE, Russia (Re...
by Wakeup-Call
Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:48 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swami - I believe you that you had a genuine experience. I would say simply to continue exploring the human potential rather than subsuming the RSE explanation. In the headiness of the novelty of the experience, it's easy and encouraged by RSE to take their explanation of your phenomena. The scienti...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:28 pm
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Judgement and Mirrors
Replies: 11
Views: 1661

Dictionary entries for "judgement" 1) the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment. 2) the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumst...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:17 am
Forum: Pages 1 & 2 - General Chit Chat & Social Forums
Topic: Judgement and Mirrors
Replies: 11
Views: 1661

Judgement and Mirrors

Aussiegirl posed a question about Ramtha's teachings about judgement in another thread and I was thinking of starting one about "mirrors" based on some remarks by Swami Binton. Here is the quickest summary on the teaching that everything is a mirror (oh and I don't mean the physical mirror used in t...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:52 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

like i said before lets get DR JOE on board.as the boat has nearly left. Why has the boat nearly left? Having been an RSE student for 10 years, I know full well the Ram teaches that we're all just on journeys, there's no mistakes, every person's path is individual and it's all good. He supposedly o...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:25 am
Forum: Family Members, Friends, Educators and the Cult Experience
Topic: Spouses and partners involved with RSE
Replies: 22
Views: 4562

I thought this was a good place to post this comment. Reading Swami Binton's remarkably rambling yet exceedingly arrogant commentary as he "debates" those on the board has really given me pause the past few days. It could be Danielle Graham almost verbatim. But then some phrases he used struck me so...
by Wakeup-Call
Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:35 am
Forum: TV Interviews - Videos -Documentaries - Educate yourself
Topic: St Germain and Guy Ballard
Replies: 4
Views: 1343

Funny, wolfman. 8) Or a hamburger....
by Wakeup-Call
Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:26 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swami - wow, all I can say is "there's no convincing the convinced." Your defense of your inferences would earn you an F in a college course on reasoning. I guess if in 7 years you or Greg Simmons is levitating at will, bilocating at will, manifesting in your hand at will, or walking through walls a...
by Wakeup-Call
Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:57 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Creating Your Day, Reality & TimeLine Shifting: Methods?
Replies: 15
Views: 3317

Yes, master.....

One hamburger coming right up...

http://www.foodfacts.info/blog/uploaded ... burger.jpg

Wow, tree - way to create your day
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:22 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Creating Your Day, Reality & TimeLine Shifting: Methods?
Replies: 15
Views: 3317

Hi Mira - glad the chat was helpful! Blessings on your journey. HHP - I don't think most people look at the Create Your Day type activity as anything other than providing definition, direction and purpose to the day, to their choices, to their activities. There are studies about creative visualizati...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swami, happy to help you with some links. So now - you explained in depth some of your experiences. I don't think anyone here would try to invalidate your personal experience, just like you acknowledged you are not seeking to invalidate ours. So let's go to the next logical step of inquiry. What I s...
by Wakeup-Call
Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:47 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Blue Body Trespassing???
Replies: 7
Views: 1657

LOL... I'm just sitting here envisioning the "evolution" of the teachings in the upcoming Fall Follow-Ups... Yes students! The Neighborhood Walk has evolved and reached a whole NEW level! You will be amazed! You will be astounded! You will be CHANGED - Yes, you heard that right, CHANGED! You will no...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:13 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: A New CSE Auction
Replies: 12
Views: 2052

PBS Frontline Show called "The Diamond Empire: Oppenheimer family's cartel, Artificial scarcity (1994)"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8299366197

How ironic...the big scam that diamonds are rare...how appropriate the heiress has fallen prey to another ultimate scam called Ramtha.
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:21 am
Forum: News Articles
Topic: Blue Body Trespassing???
Replies: 7
Views: 1657

Typical of the RSE philosophy that the "ends justify the means." I imagine he was also doing his neighborhood walk on the property... "For as long as I can remember, this land has always been a part of our RSE compound." I'm not sure what BB's problem is - all he has to do is sit down with Greg and ...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:14 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: An Open Post To Current RSE Students
Replies: 15
Views: 3651

Swami, I'm sure it certainly FEELS like free choice to you. That's why Derren Brown's videos are so illuminating. I'm sure the salesman at the jewelry who took blank colored paper instead of real cash for a diamond ring felt like he had free choice at the time but was mentally manipulated, neverthel...
by Wakeup-Call
Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:22 am
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: El Camino "Teaching"
Replies: 5
Views: 1715

omg....how freakin' convenient. Yet again. JZ gets her hands on some source material and modifies it slightly to pass it off as JZR's own.
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:36 pm
Forum: Ramtha & the Biography of Judith Hampton Knight
Topic: The "Real" Story of JZ...
Replies: 5
Views: 2087

Oops, link broke to the early picture of JZ aka Spiderman/Green Goblin

Here's the updated link
http://funtasticfaces.com.au/slides/Spi ... oblin.html
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:32 pm
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Programming?
Replies: 8
Views: 2117

Kaworu - yes, that is exactly the experience. And while JZR is doing this, is also constantly reminding the students that this is a brilliant teaching methodology because it builds up their neuronet connections. In other words, if Ramtha spelled everything out, then our brains wouldn't stretch and g...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:26 pm
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Programming?
Replies: 8
Views: 2117

Re: thoughts

I have a question, I have never heard of the hand actions along with the words "so be it" being specifically taught could someone fill me in on that? was it just mimicked? JTR - yes, the hand motion was specifically taught by Ramtha at the Beginning Retreats as one of the first and foundational asp...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:06 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: El Camino "Teaching"
Replies: 5
Views: 1715

I think it was around 2001 (??). I caught it on video at a small Assay xx (don't recall the number) replay. The crux of it was Ramtha re-enacting a dream sequence he said he gave to JZ to inspire her. He was on stage without any props except for music selections from the soundtrack of the Almost Fam...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:19 pm
Forum: The Teachings, The Labyrinth, The Tank, Field Work, The Audiences, C&E, The Disciplines
Topic: Creating Your Day, Reality & TimeLine Shifting: Methods?
Replies: 15
Views: 3317

Hi Mira, Your analysis is right-on. You are not missing anything about the simplicity of the offering and the lack of detail in the methodology. Tree is correct. If you attend a "free night" of one of the Ramtha Roadshows, the teachers will tell you that there's really no way to explain the genius o...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:46 am
Forum: Is RSE a cult ? What is RSE? Its purpose? Post your opinion.
Topic: Programming?
Replies: 8
Views: 2117

Programming?

Question for our cult and programming experts... As my stomach turns as I ask this because I think I already know the answer.... Regarding Ramtha's signature teaching techniques: 1) "How many of you agree?" - and getting people to raise their hands, nearly on automatic pilot 2) Saying "So be it" wit...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:25 am
Forum: JZK/Ramtha RSE Supporters Debate Forum.
Topic: Missed the boat
Replies: 99
Views: 13127

Swamibinton - I'm really encouraged to see a current student show up and have an open, respectful approach to a debate. I know of many people who are afraid to even come to this forum for fear of JZ or her staff finding out and throwing them out of school. I highly recommend you check out the Derren...
by Wakeup-Call
Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:36 pm
Forum: News Articles
Topic: A New CSE Auction
Replies: 12
Views: 2052

Sad, more than $170k for one hour with "Ramtha" .... and who wants to bet that Ramtha's number one piece of advice to her during that hour will be to invest $5 million in JZ's sale of RSE. That and to say "I love you but you are a schlub, try harder, be more like my daughter" Hmmm, but that would be...

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