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ponysong

I could feel myself getting excited at the 49 sec's.. Dove, I don't think you need to feel embarrassed - it isn't anything to do with "Ramtha". I could feel it too, it's written into the music. I could picture the whole scene in my mind. JZ Knight is a showman almost of the caliber of Mel...

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JOE I am interested in your opinion. I argued with a ramster, he said everything is a cult. Football, Obama, Our country, music we like, groups we attend, everything. He was saying its everyones free speech to join, be and start a cult. What do you say to that I'm not Joe, but I can tell you that m...

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Oh, I see now that Benjamin was using a previously developed tool (i.e. the Bonewits scale) and not something of his own devising. Thanks, LIS, for pointing that out.

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Rooster, yes, that was exactly what raised the hair on the back of my neck (and not in a good way, either).

oooooohhhh creeepy creepy!

David, I didn't know "dang" was a N.Z. expression

ponysong

David, I'll try to make my earlier question clearer:

ponysong

Here's a discussion thread on rickross.com, with some somewhat stronger opinions:

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,67340,67396

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I found this short article, by an academic writer identified as Elliot Benjamin, Ph.D; it shows an interesting analysis scheme which the author has devised for estimating the "cultic dangers" of any organization vs "potential spiritual benefits". I've been reading some books by K...

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Oh, good one, David! But HOW can you tell she's lying? :-? Someone posted this on Facebook, and it gave me cold chills for a moment (is it just me, or does anyone else here find this spooky)? http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn85/ponysong/JZKnightaged7.jpg Don't believe her, folks! She's like a dr...

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The event going on now in Yelm at RSE is almost nine days of close contact with the RSE propaganda. I saw friends come back like different people after only four days changed into something much more one-dimensional personality than before the event. Exactly what I saw, almost one year ago, with my...

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I unwittingly welcomed an Amway pitchman into my home once. He was the boyfriend of one of my son's daycare teachers, a woman I liked and respected. The memory of that evening can still create a knot in my stomach. I don't know what would have happened if my oldest brother had not been there to help...

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Hi Sandy, I think you have found the right source (that is, EMF forum and website) to help answer your questions and give you a true perspective on RSE. For me, it was a very painful experience to learn the truth about RSE, when I started a relationship with a long-term (>20 years) member of this &q...

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Anything at all remotely connected to chakra's, meridian, god, whatever...."You shall not pass!!" LOL <-----nice little old teaching again!pfft!

Yes, I wondered if that might be a problem. But there's no knowing without asking.

Best of luck and deep healing to you, Tree!

ponysong

Hi Tree, CD, Vanilla, ex and the other ex's who are still struggling. Wow! I agree with Joe, your efforts are heroic! I have been wondering for some time if I should mention on this board, a technique I use that is really wonderful for processing and eliminating emotional trauma. I have hesitated be...

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http://soul2soultreasures.com/mayan_cloak/

The Masters' new clothes!

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The outcome will depend on proof that 1. Bikram has a patented product. 2. The competition violated the patent. Agreed. My comments about the experience don't pertain to the success or failure of the lawsuit, only to the commercial viability of the competitor's product. Joe, on the question of the ...

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My feeling about this lawsuit is that it's not necessary. Any studio trying to compete with Bikram at that much of a price discount can't possibly offer the same experience as a certified Bikram studio. I meant to say, I think the competition will be short-lived and self-limiting with that extreme ...

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I'll be interested to see how this develops. I practice Bikram Yoga, and I can't see how anybody could possibly break even offering drop-in classes for $8. The overhead on a Hot Yoga studio is huge if it's properly constructed, maintained, and staffed. Bikram's classes cost about $20 for drop-in whe...

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That guy's a genius! I love a good rant.

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This would be good fodder for the media to chew upon, as illiegal immigrants and visa cheating are the hot button issues. RSE backing visa cheating is the stuff of potential political suicide. What about sham marriages arranged by RSE so that foreign "students" can stay in the U.S? From w...

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Looking at this makes me feel sad. The disintegration of a personality in public view. It's like seeing a bad car wreck. You can see the mental and physical deterioration of somebody who was once (in all fairness, and objectively) in possession of a brilliant mind and a beautiful physical being. Sad...

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I like this reference; it really sums up the essense of RSE: "A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and f...

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The latest from the Camping "camp"; end of world date now flexible:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/2 ... m-website/

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anxious artist syndrome?

I'd be interested in titles relating to this one. :)

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David,

When MDMA (ecstasy) surfaced in the RSE community circa 1998,
I was told by several RSE insiders it was Hudson’s “White Powder Gold “

The wine ceremonies in that time period must have been unsurpassed!

ponysong

I get it! It's a magic pill... uh, powder... for enlightenment! Um, wasn't there a name for that it the 80's? I think it was called "blow"... The ancients and the eastern sages are all wrong; no more tedious meditation techniques or years of self-discovery and extinguishing of ego are requ...

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is there a nursing home for overthehill, clearly delusional preachers, gurus, channelers, cult leaders, prophets, etc It would be a fitting "end times" for all of them to be housed together, sitting day after day listening to each others' doomsday prophesies and tales of past glory, eatin...

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Actually, it's already Oct 22 in the far East and Australia and New Zealand, and so far I haven't read anything in the news indicating the world has ended. Guess Howard was wrong again. Or maybe he just ran out of money and supporters. http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/10/21/rapture-part-2-how-much-...

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Hi justwow: I hear you. I too dated an RSE cult member (briefly). I got out of the relationship when things got too weird after the March/April 2011 retreat where JZ drank/puked/blew snot/rambled/ranted/prophesied doom for 17 hours in one session. I'm still sad about it; my guy was a sweetheart too,...

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But having had that aspect of my humanness totally betrayed and raped by JZ Knight and her RSE organisation has left an awful void in my heart and mind that once gave me great inspiration, faith and connection to life. This is the question that has been stirring in my mind since I joined this forum...

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Hi NoBS, I was a single mom too (out of a questionable choice relationship), and my boy (now 27) is a decent, intelligent, loving person, who supports himself financially and takes responsibility for his own choices. He still says "I love you Mum" when we speak to each other and always has...

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NoBS, you've got your head on straight, and a great sense of perspective. You, and your baby are going to be fine. I'm sorry, but I had to chuckle at this: He listen very patiently and asked why can’t I see this “project” as a hobby or think that he has a garden which he attends to on the weekends? ...

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joe sz wrote:Ponysong,
I posted a version sans short intro here on my site
http://jszimhart.com/blog/inside_the_cult_controversy

Oh, excellent! Thanks, Joe!

ponysong

joe sz wrote:ponysong,
Do you mean the hospital one? not yet--it is in editing...I'll let you know when/if and where it is published asap.

but you have permission to cut and paste what I wrote above.
Joe

Thanks, Joe, I will use it.

ponysong

Joe, is that article published online? I'd like to be able to link to it on another forum where I'm a member.

ponysong

I'm sorry, everybody; it's been more than a month and I have not had any reply from my contact at Turner Broadcasting. The CNN website has a contact form for AC360 here: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?10 It's designed mainly for feedback on the show, but I imagine if enough people were...

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I think it's just been posted recently because that's the Italian website and they are slightly behind the times... FYI, my internet security software blocked the site for "suspicious activity". Probably there is some kind of malware. Ramtha is watching you, Italy! Personally, I'd be inter...

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I sent an email yesterday to the person I know at CNN. Waiting a bit to see if I hear back from her, then if she doesn't reply or can't help, I'll do some digging to find out who the current producers are for AC360 and I'll post here either way.

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True Blue, I've been thinking about this idea of bringing some big media attention to the RSE scam myself. Thanks for bringing it up! Anderson Cooper did a week-long special on his program AC360 on CNN last year - about Scientology. I think he's the likeliest one to do a big story on "Cults in ...

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There was some discussion in another thread about the possibility of getting a really big news story happening to draw attention to the RSE scam and associated mini-scams, scandals, etc. I think CNN would be a good organization to approach; Anderson Cooper did a big story on Scientology last year an...

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... ml?ref=rss

And there's a link on that page to a page about this CBC news documentary:
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczon ... lypse2012/ . (DO a search for doomsday cult)

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Oh, thank you for this, Joe! This is just what I needed today. The last couple of days I have been feeling very sorry for myself and heartbroken; thinking about my RSE ex-BF and wondering if I broke off with him too soon and "maybe we could have worked things out". Now, reading this articl...

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This was it for my boyfriend, guys. He promised me if nothing happened by June 15th he would leave the "school". After all this preparing on a plot of land in another city we have. I think I have won him over and will no longer be active on this board. Maybe just checking in every now and...

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Perhaps that is the Holy Giant Radish from the Millenial Sprouters school? Regards, LIS LOL,LIS! Yup, humor is a defense mechanism for when I find myself thinking about my RSE ex-BF and my broken heart. :cry: That pic is the "Red Bastard" I found him while searching the internet for "...

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I think I've seen the "Big Guy", it was in Vancouver

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:) W&E

I think it would be even funnier with the video played at high speed, and "Ramtha" speaking over the music at the points where JZ/R appears on screen.

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Here's something my friend and I just did for a laugh - I told him about my experience with my RSE ex-BF and he wanted to see what "field work" was about. So we started watching this video "Field work with Ramtha" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoOrvEZVHWg Then he said " I w...

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I am a little troubled with the tone of some of the responses here. It does not appear to be enough for some EMF members for justtruth to have repudiated the more recent teachings at RSE; no, he or she must devalue every single aspect of the entire experience for however many years he or she was in...

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I think the ultimate irony is that RSE supposedly used as a teaching aide, a free on-line tool from the Jet Propulsion Laboratoy I think the best debunking of C2010 X1's doomsday potential in on Leonid Elanin's own web site: http://spaceobs.org/en Yes, my RSE now ex-BF sent me a link to that in our...

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I just read the whole interview. I agree with Kensho, and I think your handled it brilliantly, Joe. the so-called great religions are wide-ranging and include a history of conduct codes and social governance sorely lacking in new religions and small sects with founders yet alive. When someone accuse...

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Vanilla wrote: Middle aged women fantasizing about a night alone with the big dark warrior, one on one.

Blecchhh. Where is that puking smiley when I need it?

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There are "Ramtha" restaurants, owned by Ramsters that are the only places masters go to eat. Proof that their focus works. They got their restaurant afloat. Focus. hahaha! Focus=blinders on. I think I have eaten in one of those restaurants - food was not very good but RSE ex-BF loves the...

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More and more like Scientology the more I learn about this cult.

Now I understand my RSE ex-BF's apparent homophobia a little better - I was really puzzled before.

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Ockham, you're bad. In a good way, though

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But I could imagine a Ramtha survivalist theme called "2Life Cafe" , cavelike diner with primitive but tasteful candle lit tables, food served straight from old wooden casks buried in the walls, hearty pewter goblets of Merlot, no utensils, all hand eaten foods, coarse bread rolls that on...

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What a great article! Informative and entertaining too; thanks, Joe! But if Ramtha had a restaurant, what would they serve? Twinkies? And would you still have to bring your own wine? One of the things that surprised me when I first read the RSE website is that there was not reference to any communit...

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I like how people at the end of an event they go up to the bulletin board that says what each song played was and they all write down the song and who sung, then go out and buy the cd in the quantum cafe with their credit cards. Songs for everything c&e, focus, bluebody.. I wonder if people wil...

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When you click on the left side of that page, on the small image with the pink globe in it, there's an animation of that pink globe opening and some things come out - one thing looks like a volcano with a pink globe coming out the top. Sorry, first click on the button marked "video" then ...

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freemysoul, Thank you so much for sharing your story with me! It really touches me and I'm so glad for you that you are out of the cult now. The pain of lost love is one of the sharpest emotional wounds in my experience. I have found the best remedy is to take care of myself and my health, to pursue...

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I wonder if the band knows their song was played repeatedly to a DARK CHANNEL'S 17 hour gloom and doom fest. It was so scary my god. For 17 hours noone moved from their places in front of the tvs. Horrible scenes of whats coming, "By the end of April" this is it guys, the end is here. :lo...

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A Ramster having a relationship with someone on the outside?? Wow. Well, like I said, I think he was having doubts even before he met me, just from some odd things he said that I didn't understand. Like that he was sick of his friends because they were all stuck in such a rut and they all had the s...

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Thanks guys, interesting stuff. I have a couple of questions now. 1. Can anybody tell me where in RSE the idea of ascension comes in? I hadn't heard that - I thought all the doomsday predictions were directed at surviving TDTC in preparation for the new age on earth where the tyrants will be defeate...

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and ex, you wrote: it definitely is this mens loss Thank you, and I know it's true - because this man really does have a heart and he is just as sad as I am about it. It's the hardest part of this whole mess for me, to know that it hurts him too and there's nothing either one of us can do about it. ...

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Ockham, thanks! They've drunk the Kool-Aid that they aren't allowed to so much as talk about anything from RSE. They seem to think Ramtha will smite them or something for trying to deliver the devine hooey that only Ramtha himself supposedly can deliver. I laugh! I told my RSE friend last week (our ...

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Thanks, Joe! I gave that book to a colleague who was "gas lighted" for a year in a one-one relationship---that person said the book applied to "80%" of what happened to him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting Ah, yes, gaslighting, one of my NPD former partner's favorite pas...

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Good day, everyone! I would like to introduce myself and say thanks to the moderators and everybody for creating this space to share our knowledge and experience with RSE. I'm here because of a very recent brief experience of a romance with someone who is a current (and very long-term) RSE student. ...

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