The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

Ockham

Thank you Virginia. Ms. Johnson's rant is a little hard to follow... Since Bettye supports her position with two foctional, albeit good , works of literature, might I suggest this page from Gargantua and Pantagruel: http://books.google.com/books?id=SvDB9hccm9kC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=cand...

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Frankly, Phill's posting seems like a so-called, "troll," when I re-read the post. Phill asked for a refutation of RSE and got plenty of reasoned and factual information, then Phill rejected it; even went so far as to ask for sources of pro RSE information. Easy - RSE's own web site. Phill...

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I get the creating reality stuff all the time from people I know who are wrapped up in Ramtha fantasy. They are convinced that pinng pictures up pn the wall and staring at the pictures for hours is somehow going to make thing happen. Trust me, yes you can win money in the lottedry, but you have to g...

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To Bettye: as Harry S. Turman quoted:, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Kitchen." Judy Knight decided to inject RSE into politics, and it would be foolish to expect politics not to be, er, "political." How shocking it must be to find out there can actually be an other...

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The problem with RSE disciplines is: "Now, what..." Despite the sales pitch, RSE never manages to take you to the next level of application. You have a basket full of expensively purchased disciplines that range from silly to fun to developmental. Now if RSE really were a school, you'd get...

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Thanks, Tree, for the information. I think it would be hard to cause pain for RSE over compliance issues. It is too easy for corrupt officials to make pre-scheduled friendly inspections that give RSE enough time to feign compliance with what RSE has been told in advance is about to be inspected. The...

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Good luck to Judy. Judy's a one trick pony and that one trick Judy knows is lawyering up. Too bad for Judy that there's no law to allow for suing over feeling annoyed.

Bring on the popcorn! So be it.

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It sounds like the Groundog Day crap is just marketing change-up from RSE to try to give people a fresh reason to attend events. The more obtuse and and indecipherable the better; Judy Knight can use it to her advantage to baffle 'em with bullshit, and string people along for more events (and spendi...

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Hi Lovelight, Thanks for making such a heartfelt and frank posting. It helps me as an outsider understand old friends of mine that have been tangled up in RSE for years. I encourage you to get support from rational thinking family and friends if you can get it. That is an incredibly valuable resourc...

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JZ's secret pot farm was strictly tongue-in-cheek humor. However if that rumor somehow got enough traction and started circulating, I wouldn't feel too bad if the Drug Enforcement Agency felt the need to have a look-see around the back gate on 93rd Avenue. :D Of course, JZ wouldn't mind giving men a...

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JZ Knight's Ramtha characterization is wrong as often as, 'he,' is correct. The predictions that RSE publicizes ex post facto are the predictions that appear to be correct. Ramtha made several big goofs in the last year, for example that Elenin's comet was the harbinger of cataclysm on August 23, 20...

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That shows how desperate the Judy-approved candidates are, that they would spend valuable campaign time to hang out at RSE to chase a few marginal votes. Maybe Judy forgot to tell the candidates that many in the RSE crowd aren't even local or Washington state voters anyway. It takes gall for RSE to ...

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Best wishes to James. I hope James doesn't feel bound up by the meritless RSE contract and that James will not be intimidated into holding back on his side of the story. No doubt Judy thinks she's got some unflattering information she can use as blackmail against James in case he is forthwith about ...

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Hi Naturegirl! So glad to hear your said, "Good bye," to JZ and RSE way back in 2001. Thanks for posting your wisdom here. Hopefully people that need guidance will see what you've shared. I know several people hooked on RSE, though I am not a devotee myself. I have seen very much what you'...

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Greg Simmons is a self-appointed doctor of scamology. Simmons does not as far as anybody knows have a doctorate degree from a university. Simmons appears to have an association with a company named Colonial near Minneapolis that supposedly sells investment grade coins. Several people I know in RSE g...

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For several people I know, RSE takes much of the fixed income Social Security payments for, "classes." The rest of the retirement nest egg went to the friends of Greg Simmons selling questionable investments through advertising in Masters Connection and the Beyond the Ordinary audio stream...

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Mothman was originally from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, over here in the eastern United States. Perhaps Mothman was vacationing Yelm at the time. Maybe it was Kokopelli getting even for Judy disturbing the peace on sovereign Nisqually land.

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2012 a bad year? Hmmm... Let's see how 2012 compares to.... 1980: St. Helens eruption, 1989: Mexico City earthquake, 1991: Pinatubo eruption, 2004: Boxing Day Tsunami, 2005: Hurricane Katrina. And, "Ramtha," specifically predicted how many of the above events? Umm, None of them! In particu...

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I guess RSE is figuring out the 2012 doomsday dog won't hunt. Now we're supposed to trust the National Geographic Society and the science community? I thoght scietists were supposed not to be trusted, bsasicially all government stooges. So now no more worry, the Maya are really just turning a leaf o...

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The assembly hall in the video, as shown, certainly looks safety deficient. Of course a trained professional would have to inspect the facility and perform detailed calculations. In the United States, many jurisdictions use the National Fire Prevention Association document NFPA 101 to caclulate occu...

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Thanks Virginia. I'd class that more like stating the facts than defending (which is good!). Very nice JZ: Out one side of her mouth, she's telling her clients they need to construct the UG shelters to hide from the government (and aliens and Mexicans, etc.) and out the outher side of her mouth, she...

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Wow, what a calculating witch! So, JZ Knight sells the RSE students down the road just so Knight can keep the Thurston County assessor off her back - because Knight just does't want the county nosing around on her own property looking for unpermitted buildings. I wonder what Knight has on her proper...

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RSE students could save a lot of money if they listened to the radio for free instead of paying for, "events," at Judy's ranch. George Noory has Linda Moulton Howe doing contrived interviews with alien abductees, and assorted wack-o types almost every week on the Radio Show AM Coast to Coa...

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I ttied the best I could to pretend like I was somebody that didn't know anything about RSE, that maybe some friend just mentioned in a casual conversation of hearing about soemthing called, "Ramtha." I didn't find the videos very compelling. The blindfolded archery video never really show...

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Just to underscore what Ex said about RSE being a money grubbing corporation... RSE is a school just like Wal-Mart is a school. A good check on this statement is that RSE can't or won't obtain a .EDU domain name for RSE's Internet persona. In the United States, allocation of the .EDU domain is regul...

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I'm sure Simmons and JZ/R would be unapologetic (hah!); wouldn't even care that they set up their customers to be ripped off. The party line would be that the RSE customers created their days, so the customers got what they deserved and in their souls wanted to become destitute. Think of the line fr...

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What a self-congratulatory bullshit artist. Simmons taking credit for Tony Robbins' putative success is a little like Rasputin's grammar school teacher taking credit for Rasputin's, "success," if you know what I mean.... Some of my dear friends lost much of their hard earned retirement mon...

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To incur the ire of the US federal government, JZ needs to go a liitle larger - not pay the IRS for a couple years in a row, promote a more patently illegal drug like MDMA (Ecstasy), or promote Internet under-age pornography. JZ probably thinks she has a Get Out of Jail Free card because she had lun...

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Justin Bieber was born in 1994, so that makes him him less than half JZ's, er, I mean Ramtha's, er, I mean 35,000 years, age. (The younger, the better!) One problem: Jistin's from Canada; that makes Justin one on those pesky non-Yankee sorta kinda alien guys; maybe he's OK - not from Mexico. Damn yo...

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Darn those aliens crowding the stratosphere! Don't they know all those space ships are messing up my satellite TV? The signal keeps going out. I thought it was just the rain, but it must be their fat green alien fannies getting in the way of the signal.

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Let me add a data point. My house was struck by a lone lightning bolt in 1984. I hadn't heard of Ramtha or Judy Knight at the time, of course. Thus it was not karmic retribution for my disdain of JZ/R and RSE ... unless it was pre-retribution for my future distaste of RSE 25 years in the future. I d...

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An army of mosquitoes?... Remember what a hypochondiac recluse Judy Knight became after the post office anthrax scare? I was just reading that West Nile virus is prevalent in mosquitoes in 38 states. I also remember fishing on Clear Lake with my cousins from Seattle many years ago and there were mos...

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CPS is a typical government agency that is toothless when the rubber meets the road. I'm convinced that RSE buys the favor of Sheriff's office one way or another; same with other Thurston County government agencies. Money talks! I was at a friend's home where the RSE event web stream was being shown...

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I doubt an invading army would spend its time worring about RSE or the ramsters holed up in their UGs. The invading army would probably have its hands full dealing with Fort Lewis / McChord up the roard just a bit. I wonder if Ledwith purloined the galaxy Powerpoint slides from the Jet Propulsion La...

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Avoiding whether or not remote viewing is legitimate science, there was a good take away point that almost everything in the RSE instruction and literature consists of simplified or incomplete facts and theories that RSE cherry-picked from mainstream science, philosophy and religion. I liked the obs...

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JZ Knight has been known to tell a lie or two and she has also given pretty ouvert signs she grapples with hypochondria. Knight could easily be knowingly lieing about having various diseases or simply convinced herself she had a disease that was purely imaginary in reality. It is pretty easy to cure...

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Another defense would to take the non performance angle against RSE. RSE says it is going to give you gnostic teaching, but instead you get fanciful horse shit about subterranean lizard people that want to eat your brain in cahoots with the US government, or five hours of diatribe about Catholic Chu...

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Disclaimer: I am not a lawer; consult a credentialed lawer when seeking a legal opinion. A potential defense against the RSE NDA is that signatories are asked to agree to the terms under duress. The school attendees are given no advance notice that they will be required to agree to the contract nor ...

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All the books and hours and hours of questionably useful, 'teachings,' don't make up for five minutes of the disingenuous, hateful and xenaphobic (non USA) diatribe and bullshit from JZ Knight and the RSE staff. There is nothing mystical or gnostic about the RSE teachings, the parts that aren't driv...

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I feel pretty sure people would eagerly line up for a piece of the Barefoot Baron's action. It seems to be human nature that we all want to believe we are the one in the million that holds the winning lottery ticket. It is OK to indulge the urge and buy a lottery ticket now and then, because admitte...

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Hi Joe, I listened to the Knight interview live on Cost to Coast. The interviewer was Rob Simone, who is an occasional host on the show. Rob was fairly sympathetic to Knight and the Ramtha fantasy, avoiding any tough questions. Judy quoted her usual memorized schtick about meeting Ramtha in the kitc...

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Too funny, Ex! Aluminum - if it is good enough to line your hat, it is good enough to serve as your fiat currency replacement. I like the idea!... that our new coins being radiation proof against those coming pesky solar flares. They give us ten of those old grubby dollars and they get one of our ne...

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Its funny - the more ridiculous the tale, it seems the more suckers want to believe it. Go to a, 'seminar,' in an empty storefront in a shopping mall, pay the dude $25 for an infantile children's book, then he's going to send you $900 a week for the next few years? At least this flim-flam artist is ...

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I think RSE's position on sex depends at ant given moment how JZ and whatever boy toy she's hanging with are getting along. If Judy isn't getting any fun, then of course nobody else is allowed to be having fun, so sex is especially evil. Sex in general seems to be frowned upon in cults of personalit...

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It sounds to me like Mr. Wright is hoping to catch somebody failing to abide by the non disclosure agreement. Questions of whether or not the NDA could be enforced in the first place not withstanding...

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The constrast between Ramtha's School of Enlightenment and The Zeitgeist Movement is that one may vist the latter's web site and have a fairly reasonable idea of what the latter is really about and have a sense of group's ethos. To me, the Zeightgeist Movement sounds like Karl Marx meets Alex Jones ...

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Great point! When will we see the day when a spiritualist ever does a practical magic act? We get is no so handy stuff like (faking) flipping a page in a book mentally, reading through the back of a card, bending a key, etc. You'd think by now that a spiritualist with a grand enough mind would have ...

Ockham

Thanks, Seriously, for sharing. That's a great posting. The attempt at sanitizing of Ramtha into a more mainstream commercial product seems it may have at least a little indirect positive development in how children are treated. You can bet the public relations firm has the drinking, debauchery and ...

Ockham

John Rosenberg, AKA, "Werner Erhard," and his EST seminars really made the rounds in the 1970s and 1980s! I figured that JZ Knight probably encountered EST somewhere in her, "career," while she was marketing cable TV in the 1970s. Throw in some EST, read Vera Stanley Alder's From...

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Human kind has been trying to work out the conflicts of rationalism versus ojectivism since Plato. I tend to side with ojectivism, believing there is a fundamental reality the exists independent of the observer. That does not preclude that we each percieve the same reality differently. Your thoughts...

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I keep thinking of the video of drunk JZ blurting out, "I am Ramtha, God of Egypt!," posted by the RSE staff on Youtube. JZ gushed about about how she supports the revolution in Syria and other countries. Hey Ramtha, let's see some concrete acts of support. I'll bet JZ wishes she could eat...

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This sums up the boorish narciscistic RSE life: http://www.enlightenedmind.co.uk/main_pages/rse_teachers.html#mitja Mitja Kadow Mitja has been a student of Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment for over ten years and an appointed teacher for over four, since 2003. Moving from Germany to the United States...

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Isagenix. Ha ha! Yet another gobble-de-gook multi level marketing scam product line-up complete with fake blogs written by paid apologists that gush allegedly spontaneous yarns about the wonders of Isagenix and how it bettered their previously miserable lives. I wonder what's next? Maybe Mary Kay co...

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Hmm... No edit for me either; just the Quote button in the lower right corner of my post. I thought it might have something to do with my web browser security level, so I tried setting low privacy, but it did not help. For the record, I am using MS Internet Explorer version 8 with current updates. I...

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Let me carlify. In re-reading my posting, I am not happy with my choice of wording. I have the utmost respect for the members of EMF, for their courage to express their thoughts and for their pursuit of truth. What tickled my funny bone was strictly the spat between Liption and JZ Knight over the ow...

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I had to laugh out lod at UK Girl's recounting of her conversation with Dr. Lipton. It sounds like sour grapes, like one Gypsy complaining another Gypsy stole his grift. The Biology of Belief Unleashing the Power of Consciousness, Matter and Miracles , reads like an amalgam of RSE's intention theori...

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The self empowerment message delivered by Dr. Dyer and his ilk, even JZ Knight, is something that can be of service to people. Too many times I've seen people build their own roadblocks to success due to superstition, misplaced self criticism, timidity, etc. Of course it is scary to make the commitm...

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Our local public television station runs tapes of Dr. Wayne Dyer for their fund raising efforts. I've tried watching Dyer, but it is difficult to stay interested in it for much more than an hour. It all seems rather formulaic New Age. Dyer's general message sounds very similar to Tolle, Chopra and e...

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Hi Sad Grandfather. That is an interesting question. I have read several bloggers that cite Dennis Marlock's 1994 book, License to Steal: Traveling Con Artists: Their Rules, Their Game, Your Money . Marlock may be justifiably accused of cultural bias against the Roma Gypsies, but he does shed some l...

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That's a great link. I look forward to seeing the film. In the late 1980s James Randi built a channeler named Carlos from scratch using an actor who had no proir knowledge of channeling. This experiment was at the behest of an Australian television network. Apparently, the biggest qualification one ...

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I read that there was another magnitude 5.8 earthquake in Italy last evening. I think that's the second serious earthquake in the region within about one week. Apparaently JZ/R had nothing to say about Italy's status, either before or after the earthquakes.

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Thank you, Joe, for the pointer to the Medjugorje apparition study paper. It is quite illuminating to see the differences in approach between the latter paper and the Ramtha study.

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The funny thing is that Dr. Stan Krippner was a department head at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio in the 1960s. In that geographic location, he was sandwiched between two very large centers of Amish culture in Ohio. The Amish have for real the spirituality that RSE claims, as well as [mostly] i...

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Correction: in my last sentence I meant to include the students in the performance assay.

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Very well reasoned and well stated Joe. Thank you! could be of adaptive value for certain populations in the future. I wonder what exactly they found would be of adaptive value in the Ramtha myth or JZ/R herself? I suppose to some degree we all display multiple personalities, changing our persona to...

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I like George Noory too. I've enjoyed the show since back when Art Bell was the regular host. It is interesting that quite a lot of expose information that I've heard from RSE people is virtually the same as what I've heard from the guests on George Noory's Coast to Coast show. It makes sense that t...

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If you look on Dr. Stan Krippner's curriculum vitae you won't find the aforementioned paper listed: http://stanleykrippner.weebly.com/uploads/7/5/1/2/75124/vitae_2012_04-2012.pdf Apparently Dr. Krippner does not consider the parapsychological research in the paper significant enough in his career to...

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I heard from my friends in RSE that in the last several RSE hosted events that there have been fewer appearances of JZ/R. They said that it was supposedly stated Ramtha may not make any appearance at all at upcoming events. Reading EMF, it sounds like we've heard this all before with threats of Ramt...

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The human mind is apparently rigged to try to make sense and order out of chaos. In many situations that helps us. Where we get tripped is when the brain is presented with true randomness or intentionally rigged data. That can be fun for optical illusions or magic tricks where we know what the reali...

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Ah the tables are turned! Ramtha pays $38,000 to have an audience. I thought it was supposed to be: pay $38,000 to have an audience with Ramtha. One can excuse the President for getting it backwards - he's a busy guy!

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I think it would be fine to keep the board the way it is now. It is a wonderful resource.

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I like the idea of a, "like," button. I think the number of likes should be attached to the postings themselves and not be associated with the author. We don't want new authors that have not accumulated a large number likes to be shy about posting. To make keeping likeability statistics wo...

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This does raise some interesting questions, and it would fall in the venue of people with credentials such as Brian Greene to give the most illuminated answer about remote viewing. I don't know how much Courtney Brown knows, given his field of PhD study is political science. Interestingly, Courtney ...

Ockham

That quote of the hypothetical public relations manager was supposed to read, "RSE has never taught anything about an impending depopulation event." Apologies for the typograhical error. Also, of course, that was completely tongue-in-cheek. Everybody knows RSE taught TDTC and the need to d...

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Next thing you know RSE / JZK Inc.'s puppet PR press agent will be issuing a statement that no RSE participants have ever built underground shelters and hoarded supplies in Thurston County, Washington. RSE has never thought anything about an impending depopulation event. Funny thing about puppets: t...

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That's a good one Joe! The video linked in the blog must be out takes from the What the (bleep) movie. It looks like Judy Kngiht has on the same outfit as in the movie, and not quite as much plastic surgery as she has now. I like the way when Judy's smoking her Ramtha pipe and talking and playing wi...

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In the March 2011 Yelm event, Judy Knight or, 'Ramtha,' (I couldn't tell which one she was supposed to be at the time) went on and on for three hours of profanity laced diatribe decrying the Catholic Church. This certainly not a healthy way to teach about the philosophical differences between RSE's,...

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My best wishes for a good resolution, Rooster. This issue is a tough one! Here's my personal opinion: When you and your husband were wed, you became one. Your daughter is of your blood line and equal parts of you and your husband. As such your daughter is closer to you and your husband than the gran...

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Thanks Joe for posting the link. I am a bit surprised the per capita belief in 2012 armageddon is almost twice the rate in Chnia as the US. Even so, a rate of approximately one in ten rate of armageddon belief here in North America is a bit disturbing. Most of them must be in the greater Yelm area! ...

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Good point!, Ex. Perhaps the Judy Knight mansion and grounds in Yelm could become a sort of tourist museum like Elvis Presley's Graceland estate. If Judy Knight's old mobile home in Tacoma where, 'Ramtha,' floated Judy up to see the cobweb in her kitchen, is still exists? If so, the house trailer co...

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Yes, I agree thart switching to a format with a lot of small webinar events and and cut-together old videos to make self paced web instruction will probaby result in a more sustainable revenue stream for RSE. Keeping the entry price low and getting rid of the need to travel will allow them to pull i...

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I have a feeling RSE must have been promoting guns for years. RSE must have made an especially scary pitch in one of the March 2011 events. Right after that, the people I know in RSE that normally would have problems swatting flies started talking about getting handguns. Good thinking, David. I like...

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Minor correction to what I wrote:

The pictures of the UG bunker according to the Seattle Times are reported to be from the hard drive of Keller's computer - which in turn were provided by the police to the media.

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Thanks, Kensho, for sharing the pointers to Peter Keller's story. Very sad; such a waste of two lovely womens' lives at the hand of a lunatic. The Seattle Times reported that Keller was a well known survivalist who worked at a computer repair shop. Keller was said to have told coworkers last week th...

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RSE must be getting more heat over the wine ceremony bacchanals. I heard that for the event being hosted in Yelm, Washington the weekend of April 27, 2012 that attendees can leave early and get a partial refund of their frees if they would rather not subject themselves to hours of drunken blather an...

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I know it is unavoidable, but I hope recovering former members don't feel undue guilt. RSE is a mind control collective, so while you're in, you don't have access to your normal faculties for weighing decisions objectively. I see at least a few parallels to people who have voluntarily served militar...

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You know, I was thinking it would be interesting to read Greg Simmons' doctoral dissertation. I've been wondering how his early studies influenced his tenure at RSE. There ought to be a copy in his college's library. Oops, didn't graduate with a PhD? Oh, so sorry. I suppose it sounds more intriguing...

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Kensho, you wrote of the single greatest reason I could never be an RSE follower: the misguided notion that it is somehow compassionate to withhold care and comfort for another person or animal in need. That somehow offering reasonable care is somehow going to devalue the other party's manifestation...

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Hi Ex, I think you nailed it, what's wrong with the RSE approach to meditation. First, I believe we all do, 'disciplines,' in our daily lives, though we may not always call it that or might not be aware we're doing them. Disciplines are formalizations of adaptive and coping behavior. Done in a healt...

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JZ/R would probably say the erstwhile masters in the school are polluting the teachings and disciplines so, 'Ramtha,' has to remediate with low level stuff like reading cards. The irony is that card reading is pretty much a parlor trick, and JZ/R and the masters sneer at at parlor tricks; they would...

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Oh, I get it. Sometimes you're fabulous and you're always having radiant health, and it gets to be a little routine. For a change of pace, allow your body to die. Go dance with the, 'Ram,' in the 23rd dimension for a while. Maybe be a pink or blue orb for a bit. Pop back as a another ramster's baby ...

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Regardless of the color, frequency, vibration, electromagnetism, etc., why doesn't RSE teaching connect the dots and help the students develop a useful skill to be applied in the post zombie apocalypse world of 2013? I can just see master Kenny sitting in his pile of rubble using his always fabulous...

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I wonder if Judy Knight and JZK, Inc. remembered to pay their ASCAP and BMI license fees for using that music at her events AND on the Internet web streams?

http://www.ascap.com/~/media/Files/Pdf/ ... stival.pdf
http://www.bmi.com/forms/licensing/gl/fse1.pdf

Oops, maybe?

Ockham

But they're all Hertzian: radio, infrared, ultraviolet and even gamma ray waves. Here's an article from 1901 issue of Amateur Work magazaine describing Heinrich Hertz's waves. In the second paragraph, the article talks about body heat, or as we call it, infrared, waves having a frequecy of 400 billi...

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Hello Vanilla, Indeed I have been to France and Italy and did ofen have a glass of wine with meals. It certainly was not drinking to excess. You're right. The people I know in RSE do drink wine. They say they need it for the health benefits of resveratrol. I suspect they may have been holding back t...

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Thanks Dove! That makes sense. In my more youthful days, I had more to drink than is smart at least a few times. I remember making a tape recording of what I thought were brilliant ideas. When I played it back a few days later minus the wine, it was just nonsense. So if everybody in the audience is ...

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Hi SG, One of those names is familiar - Sheldan Nidle. He's a fruit loop that dates back to at least the 1990s as a regular guest on Art Bell's AM Cost to Coast freak circus radio show. Nidle was supposedly visited by space aliens visited when he was a kid and the aliens told him that the aliens wou...

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Wow! If I just coughed up hundreds of dollars for an event, only to sit though hours of a drunk Judy Kight as, 'Ramtha,' rehashing Judy Knight's sex life, I'd sure wonder what the hell I just spent my money on. What in the universe does Judy Knight's earthly sex life that have to do with obtaining u...

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I loved the video shot with a hand held camera of a laptop computer playing a Judy Knight live steam, posted to YouTube by, 'Mr. Gracias Muchas.' Judy Knight was falling down drunk, almost incoherent. I guess she was supposed to be, 'Ramtha,' but to me she didn't sound all that much different than J...

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Hello Virgina, This is an awesome series of posts! Thanks for mustering the fortitude to share your experiences. It is quite apparent there is a lot of worldly politics and much that falls short of enlightenment and impeccable behavior on the part of Judy Knight and company. That the enlightened ent...

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'Ramtha,' has a very seductive message from the beginner's retreat, which is an event craefully crafted by talented producers. There is a lot loud music, activities to feel spiritually empowered and the itroduction of the idea that we are God. Of course it is all too short and some seeds of uncertai...

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Hi Ex. 1974 is only approximate. There was a list of allowable cars and trucks published in Masters Connection 2020 within the last few months. The cut-off year varies by model. Somewhere there are pictures of Judy Knight's 1950s era blue pickup truck with white leather interior - it doesn't look ve...

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Oh yes, that talk from RSE: that ramsters all need to have pre 1974 cars without computers or electronics that would be fried by solar flares, thus making the car inoperable. You can keep your computer laden tree hugging Prius and not worry about having to go out to buy a 1972 Chevelle that gets 12 ...

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I'm trying to figure a way to make a joke about Jacques Offenbach's opera, The Tales of Hoffman . The opera has poor confused Hoffman, betrayal, a goofy god, weird science, a muse with multiple personalities, students and drinking. In the opera, I'm not sure any of the characters or anyone in the au...

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Hi Vanilla, I love your schedule of disciplines. Gee, doing all the disciplines squeezes out staying employed in a well paying daytime job. If one lives in Yelm, that leaves choices like Taco Bell night shift or Wal-Mart shelf stocker for earning entry fees for RSE events. Paying for events and RSE ...

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Hi Rooster, You read my mind on what I was going to comment about the discipline of trying to make a flashlight flicker by focusing attention on the flashlight. Hmmm. So let's see: I should spend $1500 per year for a follow-up teaching and $800 for the other required yearly teaching refresh to stay,...

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Thanks Joe. Well stated. Just for the record, I wasn't taking a political side with what I wrote. I was just noting that Judy Knight is probably in the top 5% of contributors for per capita donation size for the Democratic campaign. Based on what ramsters have to say and the way Judy Knight criticiz...

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Hi Vanilla, My apologies the Nisqually Valley News has changed the article to require payment. When I wrote the note, the story could be viewed without needing to pay tribute money. To sum it up, there was a very dramatic picture of a huge conflagration taken with a mobile phone by a passer by. If m...

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Thanks David! What a great news segment. 1988, and other than the people looking older now, it could have been filmed yesterday.

My favorite: Part 2, 8:36 -8:50. Just put that baby in a loop and let it play. That's probably the only time Judy Knight has told the truth in the last 30 years.

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Thanks so much C.C. for taking time to post about your emotions and experiences. It gives me hopeful anticipation that perhaps eventually my old friends that are still wrapped up in RSE may want to come back out into everyday life. Joe Sz deserves the credit for bringing up bounded choice in some of...

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This discussion is good. David, maybe you can change the title or split the thread to make it easier for people to find. This thread is important because it shows clearly that, 'Ramtha,' can not be real. Knight was willing to hang a child out to dry in to protect the myth. What Ex said is very impor...

Ockham

Thank you Robair for making the correction that originally, 'Ramtha's,' school was supposed to only last seven years. Interestingly, JZ Knight was tried the spiritual channeling business three times, and it is only the third try with, 'Ramttha,' that has gained substantial popularity. Knight's first...

Ockham

Hello and thank you Maroni, Thanks for the excellent article. You've done a great job at summarizing the shortcomings of the RSE program. I agree that it JZ Knight's curriculum is very US-centric. I live in the United States, and I even found it off putting that there is a lot of accidental, if not ...

Ockham

Hi Outonalimb, Let me say that I haven't been in RSE, but people close to me are deeply hooked. I can only imagine what it is like to try to get free of RSE, viewed from my perspective on the outside. One thing that is comforting in a weird way about life in RSE is that many vexing needs for decisio...

Ockham

Hi Max, Good questions. JZ Knight does what many fake psychics do. She gets you to ask the question backwards from the perspective presuming 'Ramtha,' exists. Turn it around and ask, 'Ramtha,' to prove, he's real. 'Ramtha,' should be able to manifest or predict in a manner quantifiable, specific, an...

Ockham

Reading JZ/R's missive on abiding by laws inspired me. "IT IS THEN TOO MANY WORDS THEN THAT ARE GIVEN FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE LISTENING TO FOR WHICH WE STIVE TO HAVE THE BEST UNDERSTANDING OF ELIGHTENMENT WHICH WAS GIVEN." - Channeled by Ockham , March 2011 Gee, after having t...

Ockham

Thanks California Dreamin'. To answer Freemysoul's question: Wake Up - A Documetary Film has a Youtube web page here: http://www.youtube.com/user/wakeupthefilm?ob=0&feature=results_main It is a moderately interesting movie. The protagonist, Jason Elrod, seems sincere. I found how Jason's girlfri...

Ockham

I like the quip in the News Tribune article referring to Greg, Doctor of Scams. I mentally picture the Doc of Scams leaning back like he did in the scene frome the movie, Wake Up , wearing those over-size Mickey Mouse sneakers, telling the Trib reporter, "Oh yeah, I think I heard some students ...

Ockham

Thanks David! Wow, David, I read, several times, the same paragraphs you posted from the News Tribune article. I was scratching my head over the decision making process not to pursue the RSE angle of investigation because it is difficult. It would be nice to think that the US justice system would be...

Ockham

I just wanted to clarify what I wrote. I intended to write that the front-row master was accepting gifts on behalf of JZ Knight, not from JZ Knight. Disclaimer: consult with a CPA for tax advice. What follows is personal opinion and is not legal or financial advice. The scammed students may want to ...

Ockham

Hi Vanilla, Thanks for the remarks. One of JZ's front row favorite masters accepts gifts from JZ and then sells the gifts on eBay. Well, that information has now been posted here; no doubt word will surely get back to JZ. It will be interesting to see what political repercussions ensue. Yes indeed, ...

Ockham

Also, thanks Rooster for the link to the posting on the Rumor Mill News web site. prOgram indeed! It was like that piece of feces from, 'Suzy Star,' was time warped back to 1999. I laughed out loud, but then I felt very sad for the hundreds or even thousands of people who have proured their savings ...

Ockham

Something which I suspect, but can not [yet] prove, is Greg Simmons is the bridge between RSE and many of the scams perpetrated on RSE's attendees. I know the Beyond the Ordinary Internet based talk show is tied to Simmons and one of the advertisers is a company in Minnesota that sells scrap coins a...

Ockham

The Tribune has reorganized its web site and the articles can be found in the following locations as on March 2012. I strongly recommend taking the time to read the full length articles; they are very well done and thorough. Backgrounder on Candace Goodwin, AKA Dove of Oneness: http://www.thenewstri...

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Steven L Weinberg... Is this the same Weinberg, PhD in physics? What a disingenuous so-and-so! So Weinberg wants to bilk JZ Knight and company $200,000 for writing four schlock books, and comes crying to EMF when he doesn't get the quid pro quo. I think I mentioned here before that Soulmates from th...

Ockham

Good thoughts Rooster. It points out the truth of Judy Knight and her henchmen. They don't care, they're cheapskates and they probably feel safety measures tacitly contradict the teaching. Of course, attending to safety is reasonable because students don't walk onto the grounds of RSE as ascended ma...

Ockham

As usual. I must preface that only a lawyer licensed to practice can give a legal opinion. My personal understanding is that to proceed, a class action suit must be asking fundamentally the same legal question for everyone who purports to be a class member. Probably, the best candidate would be the ...

Ockham

A person licensed to practice law in the state of Washington would have to give a legal opinion. My personal opinion is that for a class action suit against JZK, Inc. to succeed, a clear commonality of interest of the aggrieved parties would have to be demonstrated to the court with jurisdiction. Th...

Ockham

What a great post Freemysoul! Perfectly stated. Thank you very much.

Ockham

-Moderator comment- This topic thread had been split from EMF View topic - RSE Student Deaths Thread 2 http://enlightenmefree.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1522 Thank you Ockham :idea: _________________________________________________ It is time Judy's posterior hide should be nailed to the w...

Ockham

One would have to conclude that there is a certain motivating factor that would make Thurston County officials overlook an operation such as RSE that is clearly business on an industrial scale to continue for 12 years outside zoning, permitting and regulation of such a business. JZK, Inc.'s operatio...

Ockham

I wonder if any of the RSE staff have received any paramedic training and if RSE has basic first responder equipment such as automatic external defibrilators (AEDs)? Given the potentially hazardous activities and the aging cohort of students, some first rsponder capability would make sense. It would...

Ockham

I just noticed this in the august journal, the Nisqually Valley News: A huge conflagration and explosion in Rainier due to massive amounts of ammunition stored in the house. Could it be a ramsters's hoard going up?

http://yelmonline.com/articles/2012/02/ ... 378859.txt

Ockham

The Nisqually Valley News is mute on the unfortunate event a week after it happened. Given the, 'Ramtha,'-friendly editorial slant of the NVN, this is not surprising. In a town as small as Yelm, such a thing would normally be a big story. That is an interesting euphamisn of, "home," to mea...

Ockham

I have also experienced what Ex said about ramsters. I had friends come back from a retreat event in Yelm very changed after only four days exposure to JZ Knight and RSE. They were all covered with blue magic marker spider webs and didn't want to wash off that stuff. They seemed almost like robots -...

Ockham

I sincerely pray that there is a loving family to support the unfortunate lady's daughter. The young woman has just gone through one of the most traumatic experiences possible, especially in light of the fact it took place on the RSE grounds at an event. I pray that RSE has not been a force that has...

Ockham

Thank you; huge apology for getting the concept of the C+E breathing wrong. I think it was in the movie, Wake Up , where they showed the people bumbling around in the pasture lookng for the cards on the fence and they were all hissing like snakes, so that was it? Also holding one's hands like that -...

Ockham

Greg Simmons is a doctor like my foot is a bicycle - not at all. That is a dangerous escalation in the level of quackery: telling people that C+E, or whatever, 'discipline', is going to cure hepatitis B. Untreated Hep B, almost symptomless, can silently destroy the liver with a possible deadly resul...

Ockham

Thanks, David, for your analysis. That knits it together. It makes more sense in that light because Phoenix, Arizona does have a larger population of older people and is a fairly affluent city. It makes sense for RSE to try to worm its way into population centers where there are more retired people ...

Ockham

Good sleuthing Robair. Hmm. It is odd that RSE press release would show up on the web site of a television station in Phoenix, Arizona. (Sedona, Arizona I could understand.) I suppose it is some sort of automated clipping service that automatically downloads content from the hucksters in Los Angelas...

Ockham

Just in 2011, JZ/'Ramtha' put out a raft of lies, deceptions or bogus information. Here are a few I recall: -JZ Knight would die in March 2011. -All ramsters had to leave Japan in 72 hours. UFOs were about to fly out of Fuji and sink Japan beneath the Pacific Ocean as retribution for the nuclear dis...

Ockham

Hi David, That's absolutely on the mark about the staff enablers. I think Judy Knight could have been relegated to the dustbin of nut ball has-beens by now if she weren't wrapped in a staff of professional charlatans to keep the circus of lies fresh and circulating. Don't take that in any way that I...

Ockham

Thanks,

My apologies - I didn't mean to suggest the UGs and hoards are only in Yelm. The doomsday preps are ill advised and dangerous no matter where.

Ockham

Hi David, Thanks for posting the link back to the discussion of JZ's non-appearance at the V-Monologues. I had a good chuckle reading that and ejoyed the Twinkie comic too. Her resume inflation is amusing! The Templeton Prize, really? Her publicst must have never seen a PC and doest know that in abo...

Ockham

Dateline Beverly Hills, California: Press Releases Yelm, WA, Ramtha School of Enlightenment (RSE) Students Heal Themselves of their Maladies https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/yelm-wa-ramtha-school-of-enlightenment-rse-students-heal-themselves-of-their-maladies-139408793.html Interesting this ...

Ockham

Thank you, Sandy, for sharing your experiences. Argh!, those, 'Ramtha,' phrases over and over again. To me, being, "red in the rainbow," the way Judy Knight uses the phase, is endless spending on RSE paraphernalia and course work and never getting anything, except less wealthy, for it. Ref...

Ockham

Hi Rooster, I think you are on to something.... about old timer Ramsters holding on to the NESARA myth, the Omega scam, and the always unfulfilled predictions of, 'Ramtha,' much longer than they should. I know becuase I can see some of that trait in myself. The feeling, of I can't let go of (some un...

Ockham

It is amazing how some garbage just never goes away. Wasn't the Shainai Goodwin (AKA Dove of Oneness) scam back around 1999? The imaginary NESARA secret government act was all the rage back then on fringe talk radio shows and a nice hook that that millenial disaster lovers could add to the Y2K booge...

Ockham

Thank you kindly David, That is what I was looking for. I just didn't search the board index using the correct key words. That is even more outlandish than I expected. I laughed out loud at the clause that one can't even share thoughts or dreams if it is suspected that, 'Ramtha,' caused them. I wond...

Ockham

Just wondering: does anybody have the text of the NDA that RSE requires attendees to sign? I did not have the opportunity to acquire a copy of the ageement for future reference when I had the chance to read it in 2007.

Ockham

I would have loved to be another fly on the wall for that hearing. I forget the name of the gentleman, but about a year ago AM Cost To Cost had an ex Scientology member as a guest that if one belived the story - and it seemed very credible, virtually run for his life to escape the church's men goons...

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RSE has become SRE: Scamtha's Rule of Enfrightenment. Oh boy! here it comes! The next big event in Yelm on February 16 is almost here. The ramsters I know have already coughed up the $1,300 fee so they can watch the event on-line in a crummy little postage stamp flash player window with lousy sound....

Ockham

Hello Sandy, Some of my friends have become involved with RSE for five to seven years. For the most part, we are still able to speak with each other. The RSE indoctrination does frequently get in the way. I really get tired of the resistance to having a constructive conversation about anything RSE. ...

Ockham

Right on!, Vanilla. I asked Ramsters why RSE charges such high prices when I can go to the church a few blocks from my home and talk to the minister for hours without needing to be a member, taking classes to stay, 'current,' or pony up a stack of cash. Furthermore, I don't get dis'ed by the church ...

Ockham

The first paragraph of the Skepdict.com article quoted above really hits the nail on the head about what bugs me about JZ Knight's philosophy: the notion that all reality is merely a manifestation of energetic vibrations in the synapses of our own brains. Such thinking wrongly absolves us of our chi...

Ockham

I feel the difference between Judy Knight and admittedly imperfect scientists and physicians is that the latter are, for the most part, are sincere in their efforts while Knight is a sociopath. I want to aviod painting with too broad a brush vis-a-vis scientists and physicians; there are charlatans ...

Ockham

RSE uses well known techniques to hook people into doing and believing things that they would not do if able to think rationally. 1. Trance inducing rhythmic breathing and loud music. This psychological manipulation is well known and used on every continent where people live. Breathing and music can...

Ockham

Thanks Ex, Hmmm. That reminds me that some guys did a study on the, "Effectiveness of Aluminum Foil Helmets," in 2005. http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ The results are a bit surprising. Wearing a tinfoil hat may actually amplify signals in the band allocated to the US gov...

Ockham

Speaking of the Sun shining: There was a class 9 solar eruption two days ago. We didn't even get any pretty northern lights here to show for it. That's a pretty weak, "runner," for the RSE crew. It is a good reminder to climb up to check the copper roof, though.

Ockham

I just read that western Washington may get up to 16 inches of snow overnight on January 17. Best wishes to the good people around Yelm, WA. This sounds like a good opportunity to find out how well all that stocking up of supplies worked out. May your fires stay lit and your blankets be warm. refere...

Ockham

It interesting how the, 'Ramtha,' portrayed on Merv Griffin sounds like a friendly Keebler Elf that should be baking cookies in a holow tree, but now when Judy does the, 'Ramtha,' act, it sounds like a foul mouthed wrestler from cable TV -- that is, when she is sober enough to remember to actually d...

Ockham

Youtube just complied with the take-down request of the drunken Sea Biscuit interlude becasue that is easier than figuring out who is right. There really should not be a copyright issue at stake here becuase the banned video is not a copyrighted performance. The video should fall under the protectio...

Ockham

Thank you Rooster, LOL, but it is painful at the same time. I wonder if the RSE money managers are out on vacation, and Judy and her circle of friends cooked up the Monday event without management's assistance. It could have been a good marketing ploy: dangle some earthquake, solar flare and volcano...

Ockham

I heard RSE called a wine ceremony on Monday evening of January 12. Some, 'masters,' only received a few hours advance notice via their twitter feeds, so attendance was pretty sparse because people just didn't hear about the happening enough in advance. I didn't see it, but talked to some people who...

Ockham

Right on!, just what I was was thinking too, Rooster. It would be nicee to think some of the child welfare concerns about RSE have reached officials who aren't under Judy's political control. It disgusts me that kids are exposed to conditions such as the so-called wine ceremonies. You'd think Judy w...

Ockham

I was looking at the RSE web site's 2012 event schedule. I noticed that, "Ramtha's 2012 Adv Retreat (Formerly BC)," event is listed as, "open to adults 18 and up only." So, I wonder what gives that requires one to be of voting age before learning how to become enlightened? It mus...

Ockham

Wasn't there a BBC TV series about a the outbreak of a weaponized virus in London several years ago? That's more proof that, "Ramtha," gets, "his," material from watching cable TV. I don't think I need, "Ramtha," to tell me: I heard the story about the experiment of mut...

Ockham

I agree with Joe. It sounds like Judy Knight and JZK Inc. have a case of, "Not in my back yard! (Unless I'm making a buck off of it.)" I read the original complaint, and it didn't make much sense to me, but then I don't live right there and I'm no lawyer. If the developer were to pay tribu...

Ockham

It is pretty damn disingenuous for Judy and/or her so-called channelled entity to say, "your governments have betrayed you," and dodge proterty tax and incomce tax out one side of her mouth while out the other side she's dumping $61,600 into the coffers of a political party. What's next, s...

Ockham

Back on December 6, Delavie discretely posted the following in the international thread: "The Twelve Days of Light"?, "Does RSE believe that the world will end in 2012?", "December 21, 2012", "…political game" … Democratic National Committee (Parti Démocrate a...

Ockham

Well, this is is located in Saranac, New York in the United States. That's a bit far from Yelm, but it comes complete with an FAA registered landing strip so you can hop in your Lear Jet to pop into Yelm for those refreshers, weekend follow-ups or occasional private audience with Judy's big guy. The...

Ockham

Masters have to build their underground shelters 200 feet from water. Maybe not? Thats a pretty serious stream raging about 20 feet from the raft of tents! The stream is especially visible in the first photo from February 2007. Check out the ramsters strolling blithely over the bridges over the rive...

Ockham

Nudge, nudge,... I was thinking of that, Joe, in the back of my mind when I made the crack about Oprah. I know from remarks here that Oprah blowing off JZ and not having JZ be a guest is something that bugs JZ. JZ has to settle for guesting on AM Coast To Coast instead. I was indulging in a bit of r...

Ockham

This is the Walmart-ing of America a la Yoga. It goes to show that many people will pick cheap over quality on something they see as a commodity product. Here, the consumers must be presuming they're getting some exercise moves rather than a holistic experience. Interestingly, JZ Knight keeps gettin...

Ockham

I was at the home of family friends where the ramster was watching one of those Q+A sessions on the web for 50 bucks, 100 bucks or whatever the RSE sliding scale of unpredictable fees was at the time. The RSE money bags seem to keep fishing around for a sweet spot of the maximium ramsters will bear ...

Ockham

Does anybody know at which event this, "wine ceremony," occurred? When it happened does not change how I feel about it; it is just curiosity. I heard the investors of RSE concerned with cash flow were trying to get the alcohol abuse cleaned up. From Knight's physical appearance it looks re...

Ockham

Point well taken, but that is why I suggested talking to a media outlet like KING TV, for example. Try Judy Kinght in the press: no rules need apply in the court of public opinion. Visa cheating to sneak into the US to avoid the purported coming Japanese tsunami has made-for-TV melodrama written all...

Ockham

Probably the best way to go about it would be to put a bug in the ear in one of the local TV channel news operations in Seattle. There are a number of unfair (from the cheaters' perspective) factors that might make RSE visa cheating a little more newsworthy that it would have been in the past. The w...

Ockham

You can look up the student visa requirements at the US State Department web site: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1268.html The RSE, "masters," from Asia posing as community college students are lieing about all the requirements for obtaining a visa: Qualifying for a Student...

Ockham

Thanks Ex. I found the article simultaneously as you were posting the link.

Ockham

Correction!

I found the article. It is under the heading of Maters on the March, near the top of the current first web page.

My apologies, but my remarks about the disingenuous use of student visas still stands, of course.

Ockham

Hi Ex, Do you know where to find the article that you cited on MC2020? I wanted to share it with some Ramsters I know. I pasted the first sentence of the article into Google, and Google does hit one the sentence, but the URL returned by Google is that of the MC2020 main page. I searched though all t...

Ockham

Hi, Just got a chance to log back on EMF, thanks for getting the upgrade going well. What David said a few days ago resonated with me: Hi Ockham, this is true,.follow the $$$$!! This is the nasty thing about Cults such as RSE they corrupt and infect just about anything they touch, much like a virus....

Ockham

Wow, this video clip pretty much has it all: 1. Chubby, very drunk, nearly incoherent JZ Knight. 2. Misanthropy. 3. Berating of the students/"masters." 4. Idolotry of JZ Knight -giant picture of her on the arena wall. 5. UFO references. 6. JZ pretending to be, "Ramtha," and not e...

Ockham

I think the most likely way that RSE might meet its demise sooner rather than later would be if JZ Knight does something stupid like promote a, "wine ceremony," then a drunken ramster leaves the ranch and crashes a car into a bus full of kids. I noticed that RSE tries to distance itself fr...

Ockham

I like this reference; it really sums up the essense of RSE: "A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and fa...

Ockham

We should tell some ramsters that EMF has decided to shut down their, "disciplines," and we won't allow, "Ramtha," to let them work. Of course, the disciplines won't work... because they never work anyway, being nothing more than pointless gesticulations and huff 'n puff. If they...

Ockham

How about occupy RSE spiritually? Start a rumor that EMF is ganging up on the ramsters and trapping their spirit in the first seal. Since RSE mumbo-jumbo is guaranteed to never work, if ramsters convinced, 'Ramtha," is real, the only reasonalbe explanation is that EMF is even more powerful than...

Ockham

Ramsters I know have talked about Ickes. I don't know a lot about him, other than he thinks high level politicians are shape shift reptiles that have a conspitacy to turn Earth into a global fascist state or something like that. Oh my! It sure does fit with the RSE fairly tales. In a way not surpris...

Ockham

Hi SG, Perhaps you can find a chink in the armor or irrationality if they think Erich von Daniken is a genius. There was a great US pubic television program, Nova, that on March 8, 1978 aired an episode that completely destroyed the credibility of anything von Daniken wrote in Chariots of the Gods ....

Ockham

Anyway, I love this man dearly, he is a good person, caring, intelligent, wanting to help others. I concur with Lost In Space that dating a dedicated ramster may not be easy. RSE encourages students to be introverts, and seek enlightenment from their inner god, or words to that effect. RSE encourag...

Ockham

I found the following links. Kids, don't try this at home. There's no way to tell what awful stuff you're really ingesting if you dare to drink this garbage. It is wonderfully laughable pseudoscience. Apparently, "Ormus," is pretty much the same stuff Judy and the big guy called Sea-11: ht...

Ockham

Hi Justwow, I am an RSE outsider with family friends that are involved in Judy Knight's mind circus. Maybe there is hope for your boyfriend. It sounds like he may not be so far in that he has completely suspended critical thinking. RSE does prime the attendees with excuses to paper over the obvious ...

Ockham

It pretty much says it all: ..."School of Englightenment"... and there is a big fence tipped with barbed wire to keep people out. Most schools of higher learning I have seen are open to welcome anybody who wants to set foot on their campuses. Why even bother with the signs, I wonder? It'll...

Ockham

JZ Knight uses the same tactic that automobile sales people use. They try get get you to spend as much time as possible. This plays into the optimism effect that Joe mentioned. The cult members or automobile buys tend to hang onto a failed proposition a lot longer than they should. There's all that ...

Ockham

I have not been an RSE member, but from listening to what family friends who are ramsters say about, "events," at JZ Knight's ranch I'd question whether it is true KNOWING or group hypnosis and mind control. To the person experiencing it, however, the two states of mind are essentially ind...

Ockham

Thanks, David that was a great repost. You can see the seeds of scam that was to become RSE in the showmanship, technique and target audience described in the Tribune article. I always hoped there would be something surface that would firmly tie JZ Knight to the Omega Investment scam. So far it look...

Ockham

Hello Joe, Thanks to you and Kensho for sharing on sunyata. I have had the opportunity to attend a brief series of lectures by Bhuddist monk prsented at a local cultural center. What a difference between the real deal in spirituality and the stuff put on by JZ Knight and company. It is like the diff...

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