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Hello Do you have a list of books that JZ/R could have obtained her teachings? I remember reading somewhere on EMF about Vera Alder. Do you know which book as she has written several? It's interesting how my perception changed from Ramtha is real when I started posting here to it could all be fake, ...

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Found this article on Marjoe's experience of a 'cult'. http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/ouimag74.htm

Would be interesting if he ever went to RSE.

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David, thank you for the info and video links to Marjoe. It clearly shows how we are so easily influenced. I note the hand raising and yes he can phrases. Loud music, dancing, peer pressure - sounds familiar. Just want to believe in something, anything even a 35,000 year old being. I was inspired to...

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I saw Holy Smoke when it was released in 2000 before I even heard of RSE. I agree with Sara's opinion. From memory, it focused more on the relationship between Kate W and the exit counselor which turned sexual and manipulative.

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AD60, :lol: re: Dr B. I was thinking that but I've to fly a long way to see him! He's a good dentist - look at JZ's teeth. Whatcha, could EMF get AMB's permission to publish her side of the story? There are still suckers from overseas that have just moved or are moving to Yelm so they can be close t...

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It's interesting that JZ's female friends are rich, famous and attractive. I couldn't find much info on Marjorie Layden apart from being the founder of CSE. There was a teaching where Ramtha mentioned Dr Joe D's girlfriend has a private jet and transported them to an event. Is that her? There I was ...

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Has anyone here ever contacted Anne Marie Bennstrom (owns the Ashram in California) or J. Mark Burnett (dentist in Washington state)?

Would be interesting what they have to say about JZ/R. Mark was the only 'witness' in the kitchen when R supposedly appeared to JZ.

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Thank you for the link to Glen C. videos. Certainly sounds like R could be made up. I don't know how she does it though ie she 'passed' the scientific test and channeled for hours under the influence of alcohol. Also watched Mafu. Very similar but not as good as JZ. I read somewhere that JZ said Pen...

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Hello David

I notice JZ is on facebook. http://www.facebook.com/people/JZ-Knight/2607025 I don't know if any of her featured friends are in RSE.

I wonder what our chances are if we sent her an email?

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I found this while surfing the net. http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK5MH42CQSEOO The following is a post from the above site. The plot thickens. JZ, is this true? Can we verify this? 'Dolores Williams says: In the '80s I lived in San Diego and one day while sitting in the waiting room of a doc...

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My partner & I realized that our non-RSE friends and family are SO allowing when we used to speak Ramtha talk especially after coming back from events. They still put up with us and never told us to shut up. The glazed eyes and fear of days to come. Our lockdown after Sep 11 and informing everyo...

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I have been hanging out with a few 'current' students and have mentioned my dissatisfaction with RSE and communicating with EMF. My partner and I were horrified at the response as we have used the same ones in the past ourselves. :shock: Excuses, excuses, JZ is only human... Don't put her on a pedes...

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The Happyhoneys have done well in recruiting RSE students into Isagenix especially getting a 'world teacher' Mitja involved. The million dollar question $$$ - is JZK involved? Great marketing for Blue college and Days to come. :roll: I was so inspired by Mitja's story on how he became a 'world teach...

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Hello David THANK YOU to you and friends for setting up LARSE/EMF. That is very courageous. I've mentioned this website to my 'current student' friends. :-) I'm waiting for JZR to be interviewed by you. Maybe Greg S. never bothered to tell her. Andrew, well-said. Kryon is the complete opposite. He i...

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G2G, Yep, that's the happyhoneys! Check this out. Mitja K. confirms it. Are the downline all RSE students? http://www.happyhoneys.com/meet.html and http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/364/b01 and http://www.vimeo.com/2225574 Watch the video, WHERE DO I SIGN UP??? A community in Yelm ... :lol: Hey, is that...

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Hey EMO

Thanks for the laugh. I thought the thread didn't make sense.

Is your name/address real?

I enjoyed Brussels - only been once.

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Tree, thanks for reminding. I have forgotten about Coral Calcium and Star Stuff. Michel L. was supposed to be fabulously wealthy from Star Stuff.
Still have some bottles of Coral Calcium and litmus paper!

Isagenix is the latest $$$ opportunity. Mitja K is promoting it.

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Hello EMO 'Oh, did I mention I registered for the followup event?' Do you mean the Follow-up in Yelm in Sep or Oct? You are very organized as it's months away. There are no refunds or transfers if you have paid. I can understand why you would want to explore the teachings more. I'm sure the others h...

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Hello I have 2 questions: - Anybody tried Rezilience (Resveratrol) by James F.? How come red wine is still being consumed if you can swallow capsules? I note it's not a new invention. - Greg S. in Physics of Change newsletter mentioned Conquer yourself 1 oz pure silver coin from Ramtha's pure wisdom...

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Tree, thank you for the insider info. It must be extremely difficult to work in that sort of environment. I know what you mean about students DYING to work for JZ. I was inspired to work for such a genius mind until I realized what I was going to be in for! Minimum wage and extremely hard work. She ...

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Hello everyone Here's a 'scientific' article about orbs. http://www.visionsmagazineonline.com/Paramormal/index7orb.html I just bought the latest copy of UFOLOGIST magazine (March-April 2009). There are 2 articles on orbs (14 pages). Very interesting as the articles mentioned that orbs do exist but t...

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Hello Andrew I'm a current student questioning RSE. You mentioned Kryon. A few years ago, I had doubts about Ramtha and I discovered that Kryon had talked about Ramtha and JZK in a Q & A about earth channels. It's in Chapter 4 of Kryon Book 2 - Don't Think Like a Human! I bought the whole book b...

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Hello Oldone

Yes, so is JZ/R. R is the most arrogant 'channelled' entity I've come across. Any worse out there?

Tree, no offence to you

Maybe you can explain. It comes from the top of the pyramid, right?

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Joe, thanks for the reference. Unbound, thanks for the reply. It helped put things in perspective. I got caught up with students' manifestations. What you're saying is students like yourself that manifest their dreams in RSE were already doing that well before RSE and also after RSE. Your ability to...

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'For crying out loud...I was participating in the very manipulative mind control tactics that had ensnared me. I even offered some proof to back it up for those who thought to question. I had cards off the fence at nearly every event, I hit targets, could navigate the tank, could remote view beyond ...

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BTW, there are/were JZ clones in school. There was at least one person that had her nose 'fixed' to look like JZ/R. I think R also mentioned it favorably duing a teaching. I can't remember her name. Maybe they use the same plastic surgeon. Students have complained about the rudeness of most staff in...

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Thank you all for your posts. Much to contemplate on. So many different personalities and perceptions ... It would be great if Ramtha/JZ engages EMF personally. I would have thought it was in their best interests to address EMF. I will check out the LARSE meetings. AD, Linda E and JZ look similar in...

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AD, that was well said. There are more than 2 types of ex-Ramsters due to different personalities and perceptions of the experience. It's my analytical habit and wanting to categorize people. I just happen to observe people similar to EMF and 'friends' in the second group. I met the second group who...

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OOps, I'm meant to say definitely a LOT poorer.

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Hello everyone I've only just accepted that RSE is a cult. A month ago, there was a TV documentary on a cult group. A non-RSE friend rang to check if I had seen the show as he thought the personalities in the show reminded him of RSE students. I couldn't even watch it. I read about it briefly and wa...

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Hello everyone I haven't slept much in the last two days as I was horrified that RSE is a cult and Ramtha may not be real. Have spent time reading some of your posts and also 'googling' JZK. My conclusion is this: - RSE is a cult. - I cannot prove if Ramtha is real or not. Regardless of this, JZ K i...

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I just saw the Lee Harris post. Funny that, when I mentioned about channelling some entity.

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Hello Tree,

Forgot to ask, how was the experiment in not doing disciplines and manifesting?

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Hello Tree, Watcha and See & E, Thank you all for your replies. Lots to contemplate on. Will check out the links. Watcha, I did have a 'subconscious' fear of Ramtha sending me a big Runner for even reading and posting here. Like the Catholic church, God is going to punish. Where can I confess? :...

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Tree, thank you so much for your reply. There aren't any current Ramsters/Ramblers I can confide in as I feel like a traitor. I'm so glad that EMF exists! I was also shocked at Yugi's death. Ramtha's reply was that he had a choice to come back but didn't want to and chose instead to visit the 23rd u...

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Dear EMF Thank you for setting up EMF. I don't know if I belong here but I really enjoyed reading some of the posts and also watched a few of your videos. I'm fascinated with posts from Tree as she was part of staff. It was an eye-opener. Thank you for your candid posts. I'm a 'struggling' current s...

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