The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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The Children?s School of Excellence is seeking a full-time Head of School A visionary and dedicated leader who has previous experience serving as the Head of a Pre-K through Eighth grade school and who will embrace the mission and vision of CSE. Candidates may apply until January 8th, 2009. An Appli...

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ORBS are commonplace at RSE events, and Ramtha has described and taught about them from the very beginning of his teachings. See recent Orb Video captured at Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment with security cameras similar to the CNN?s news report. http://www.ramtha.com/newsletter/vol4/issue12/photo.h...

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Argentina Follow-Up 2008 ?On the second day of the Beginning Retreat, this student had unrolled a new sleeping bag she had never used before and found a $100 bill in the bag. She had drawn a ?$? symbol on her card that she put on the field the day before. She manifested the $100 from her card before...

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whatcha said: But in RSE, we should have questioned further than we did. There are no "shoulda, woulda, coulda's" because we freaking COULD not question with our critical thinking skills gone south for some time. It just is NOT possible when the wiring is gone awry. wolfman- this has been ...

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Glen must have been at other Tahumo outings other than the 3 I was in. I was in the very first one in which, incidentally,, it snowed. It was not known before hand that is was going to snow, nor was it planned. I just know that after the discipline was performed, there was a good inch and a half to ...

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early parts are pretty interesting. some of the questions were asked of the time frame after which Glen was there, so things like the cussing, wine ceremonies, shoving people, etc were not really relevant. I found the "manifestation" evening segment very enlightening. Kind of pissed me off...

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Who is Flea Baylee?

Bwhahaha!!
He takes cases like Clyde??!!

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my washingmaschine creats black holes were my socks dissapear.. another black hole a few thousand miles away ex here to my place. Hey! let's document that! It's more that any documentation by RSE standards. But even worse. I think it will be a difficult theory to prove because once I open the lid, ...

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So Michelle wouldn't have known if she paid $30,000 (which is my guess, anyway - could've been the session that went for $10,000) to be loved on or to have Rambles rip her a new one. honestly, for 10 grand or 30 grand , the big guy is NOT going to kick a gift horse in the mouth :wink: :roll: :shock...

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Tree.......I'll try posting here regarding your false statement about Preston. Neither Preston nor Duncan EVER spoke at RSE. Al Beliek did....Twice. Preston and Duncan spoke at the middle school. I stand corrected. They did come to Yelm though. Details are important I see :roll: at any rate, when J...

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I had decided beforehand that I wanted a light review. That way I felt I had a greater chance of living for two hundred years without death. I have to say, had I been in this position just 2 1/2 years ago, I would have thought the same "greater good' type of question.- of course, for my own ev...

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Even during a drunken wine ceremony that goes on until some insane hour of the morning when people are sleeping, it's still most of the audience trying to sit there and master themselves, staying awake. this too. Yup. Under the guise of "Mastering the body", meanwhile, jz, drunk as a skun...

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I personally know an Inuit. this is not the case with them in this day and age.

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I believe that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, which translates that God and ONLY God (not Ramtha, Lord of the Wind [yeah, right ]) is present in all places at all times, has infinite awareness and understanding of absolutely EVERYTHING that can be conceived and that cannot be conce...

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you know, obviously, as with Glen's interview in the NVN made it sound as if one approached an RSE student and asked them, "Will you drink the Kool Aid?", of course, they are going to say a resounding , "No!" They would be completely flabbergasted and galled by such an approach. ...

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JZ-as-Ramtha referred to Clyde Hood as a "greedy horse," and then proceeded to say that he "likes greedy horses" and gave a heartful belly laugh. I will always remember that and Ramtha's words at that time. my recollection at that event was that he (Rambles) "likes the dark...

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http://mercurypoisoningeffects.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-story-my-story-mercury-poisoning-and.html (DEAD LINK) pretty cathartic story here. Don't want to do it injustice without her pictures here. As a side note, I always found it interesting how in passing, JZ would have this or that done, medically ...

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NEW WORKSHOP WITH RAMTHA Yelm CYY Progressive Discipline Workshop Ramtha's School Enlightenment - Yelm, US Thursday, January 22, 2009 to Sunday, January 25, 2009 ________________________________ now, current students reading this: watch, just as in the past, how "progressive" the disciplin...

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Yes, Preston Nichols DID come to speak at the Ranch. As well as CLyde Hood (Omega) personally visiting jz I find it odd now in hind sight, that she had all these "controversial" figures come speak at the Ranch to justify some small portion of the teachings. But, that was before the interne...

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oh dear...
that is a can of worms

actually, if you look at all ten parts of the Montauk interview with Preston Nichols
you will have a good overview
very very popular conspiracy info that was passed around in the early days
along with the Philadelphia Experiment

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If we shared the teachings with our impure perception of them, then we would taint the other person's brain with the impure-ness, thus negatively affecting their ablity to evolve. I clearly recall several times at least, when Rambles told those in audience to "teach this to your family, to you...

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There was also a season and various repetitions of the teaching to not hook up with somebody in a relationship who was not committed to doing The Great Work. - the guy you met was genuine but unless you found the Ramtha teachings appealing and were willing to engage them at some level, he could not...

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interesting song by a woman who has seen ALOT of life.
I'll have to check it out.

I will wait to reply to your new thread.

I think it ought to be very good food for thought.

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ordinary mind said: more trying to figure out who or what god means to me now. I'm with you here.Totally. wolfman sais : After reading some of the posts now appearing, I think I'd like to say, "hello Mike! Business slowing down that end?"..... I think it's more like Hank or Mitja. esp with...

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"We realize that having unwanted sound information arriving directly into the user's brain would resemble technological schizophrenia, therefore maximum control is essential." Auger says.

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we went from fear and magic issues of children to your idea...

this about sums it up.
maybe start a new thread truster.

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with all this in depth research,
I guess someone hit a homeopathic nerve.

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sound is transferred from the tooth into the inner ear by bone resonance.......converting digital signals to audio

bone resonance?!!

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I , for one, have no clue where he is coming from 1/2 the time.
I give it a few posts before I respond because of my not understanding the "curveballs".

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if you noticed in my above post, I didn't slam you. Merely asked you a question and wondered out loud why you were here. In one other post you were quite arrogant in your attitude about being able to wear shorts in winter like it was a mind tough thing. who gives a crap anyway what you wear? i just ...

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"So what are the teachings of the Great Work that you have come to listen to? They are not about the occult work and indeed they are not about New Age. The message I give you is the foundation of the earth, the cosmos. That is not new at all. The message I am telling you is this: that if you be...

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OMG!
I JUST could NOT understand why we were to watch that movie at a Mandatory event.
Because right there, in front of us, she was giving herself away.
Bwahahahah!!!

We have seen thee weirdest "required" movies there.
All in the name of enlightenment.

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- A Fabulous Film About Seeing + Changing the Future+ Bi-location (2007) PG-13 Las Vegas magician Cris Johnson (Nicolas Cage) can see a few minutes into the future, an ability he uses to enhance his shows -- and to win at blackjack. But when an FBI counter terror agent (Julianne Moore) wants his hel...

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Also, of note, I wrote a personal hand written letter to Sandra Romero last spring when Jean-Marie Christenson was running her mouth the the NVN about referencing the "Ranch" as "the ol' Homestead" in which, the NVN called her on the carpet. In the letter, I noted, because I saw ...

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well, here ya go: http://www.yelm.com/ November 29, 2008 MAYOR HARDING - PLEASE LEVEL WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS! This last week has seen alot of deception coming from Mayor Harding on several varied issues, which seem to be overlooked in the coverage by the city's official newspaper of record, the Nisq...

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100% absolutely agree. Very well said on all accounts. The dude is gay and only married Yael because Rambles told him to. Same with Gary Craig. Poor guy, has to put up with that high maintenance beyotch of a wife. ack. Actually, gets me to think why Thomas S. actually left jz's inner sanctum. He sta...

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whatcha said: truster, why do you think there really is a ramtha ? i'm honestly curious.
truster said: whatcha are you saying you think you know me

truster-
uh...no. see the above question. why do you think there really is a ramtha ?
again, turned into "it's all about truster" thing again.

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She's got huge competition now from teachers who cover the same territory for less money and who are more accessible . And these folks come across grounded and normal - they aren't channelling. Hence, I am sure, the "home study" course. I find a great contradiction in the "original&q...

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okay truster - so now we went from fear and magic issues of children to your idea being stolen by jz herself. just sue her and get it over with. I believe that statement though about as much as the golden triangles. I am also curious to the fact if you indeed have children or not. From how you post,...

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if you really want to get to the bottom of it. maybe we should edit your post for it was far more threatening. touche'

truster-

I was wondering why you are actually here.
Curious your constant attacks.
Interesting tack and tact in your posts.

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i would say well why dont we look behind the wall and see if there is a snake there and make the child develop the placebo ability to have x-ray vision for gold. hahah! this is funny! this is what JZ does!!! HAHAHAH! "draw a wall and see yourself walk through it" "draw whatever and s...

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Quote:

P.S. I understand that the Wine Ceremonies have "resumed."

This is correct.

what a surprise.
She has been dumped and the best way she knows how to deal is drink.
What a great time to be an old timer, reading EMF, and waiting for huge contradicting blunder.

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.Have any ex-Ramsters experienced a desire to "leave" but was hindered by the fact that they are acknowledging the fact that they made a huge mistake and can't bear the thought of hearing, "I told you so?" honestly, they can't think like that. You have to understand. How can I p...

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Perhaps she noticed the snake was smiling.. perhaps she has a pencil in hand while on the potty and draws another snake with fangs and a smile staring back at the previously perceived scary creature (to denote SHE has power over the other perceived scary snake) as I don't think your little one woul...

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Masters choose their time of relinquishing the body, and saints and realizers have returned after extended periods without apparent life signs. this is so amusing. much akin to: "JZ Knight is one of the most brilliant minds of the 21st century." another blanket statement no one questions....

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And here Ramtha always watching you just like God. God, isn't this the truth? I myself, did not fall for all the fairies, triads, in my house, etc But I did have a glossy 8 by 10 of the eyes in my living room (eeh gads. What was I thinking??) I looked back on some Christmas pictures we took from ye...

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I think Mayor Harding as well as the NVN are fully and bravely onto her now. Thanks to people coming out and speaking what their experience was at RSE. You can't have THAT many people disenchanted, as it were, and speaking about their experiences very evenly and without retaliatory and accusatory to...

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a big fat 100% I agree with whatcha here. Especially appealing to your daughter to help heal her mother. Just a one-liner though, as I think she might be taking the turn of getting out. "it takes one to know one" and how one thinks while in the group is a great approach. as far as your dau...

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The church folk started coming by to visit, and instead of offering comfort and asking if there was anything they could do, they were telling me that this was God's punishment for not being faithful to the church. so typical, and of RSE as well. I admire your tenacity to sit in your chair and ponde...

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I'm 10-15 yrs your senior. While you were accumulating degrees, I was tuning my schtick detector. So my first and only exposure to JZ brought nothing but laughter I think Joe has responded with the best unbiased information here. I can also vouch for the degree route , but I also happen to have the...

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"But with all this talk of curry I think i just moved to a new neighborhood."

ROLMAO!!!

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:)

I love that....penciled in a smile.

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insert the word 'see' after actually above.

where is that darn edit button anyway?
(uh, no real need for an answer. I know. People's prior editing did not make for
sensicle reading.)

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but for some reason I decided to keep this one an a few other to remind me the good things ,and good time we had back then and still wonder what happened, in 1981,the message was just that love your self into life. This is the first time in reading a "Ramtha" quote that I actually some &q...

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I just love this quote. Totally amusing. If I were still involved, I would NOT wait for the Mayor to announce the city's options But then a few sentences later, offers the suggestion that he and his wife should be included one this fine group pf minds and money "library cabinet" to find an...

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ok. Below here is yet ANOTHER article Steve penned the day before Thanksgiving. Seems the only giving he is in the giving mood for is more lip service. His first several paragraphs are highly, highly critical of, again, the City of Yelm and Mayor Harding. Oh, and the Nisqually Valley News team. Pers...

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Was listening to The Secret on audio book. (I'm back to listening to the ideas I heard about via RSE but now have a criteria that presenter give credit to the source of what they are sharing) interesting segment. This past summer, right before my trek out of Yelm, former RSE member who happens to b...

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As Thanksgiving Weekend is looming, I am thinking of the last year and in particular this year, why I am thankful I made it out of RSE. Last year, just a few months after discovering RSE was actually a cult, I was thankful in a desperate sort of way. Desperate to be further along the recovery path (...

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1) With your one hand, put $2000 in George's pocket...gold and silver coins only 2) Put your other hand in George's other pocket and pull on his lucky lottery handle...pull hard now...harder HAHAHAHAH!!! omg!! we are giving her too many ideas. Assay in Jan. Well, she has done it before!! (Remember ...

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.they hang their shingle out for $35/hour when they've never picked up a hammer before. oh man, don't get me started on THIS one. for sure, it was always "God and disciplines first, move to Yelm" and then go from there. "Where you focus, everything else will follow." um...yeah. ...

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Analogical? Want to win big? I've got two enhancers. Are you fairly consistent in being analogical? Do you know someone that is? Want to experiment? I have two great ways to empower the process of picking lottery numbers. With your analogical mind (or your friend?s) and my two methods, our chances w...

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I think JZ should teach this class. The Art of the Double-Digging. Hands on workshop with Agaja on Sunday, Nov. 23 We will be cultivating a nursery bed in a greenhouse using Alan Chadwick?s Double-dig method. Agaja will teach us all about how to do it, when, where, and why we do it. Agaja was a stud...

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What's the best single asset a person can possess today? A stable job! By next year, you'll realize the truth of this comment. ah.... so THAT is why the marketing department stays where it does. Because, they could not find a job out in the "real" world with the made up skills they have a...

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2) The advantage in Yelm is that it is a like-minded community that can sustain itself through barter and exchange with other students. Ramtha is in Yelm and if it becomes unsafe to travel, then he will always be at the school. Brazil is one of the latin countries that has a strong economy and if y...

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keep spreading the good word of fear. works for every cult. yes, times are not good, but adding more fuel of fear just adds for more toxicity. http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter.html (DEAD LINK) But you can buy the website domain name for $1,895 Physics of Change will feature information in s...

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Well, Rambles told Steve he'd win the election. Then, after Ramtha was WRONG and Steve lost, Ramtha told him (and the audience), that what is really was, is that he's going to win another election ! Or just send in letters that begin with "I should be major and not the other guy...and here's t...

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interestingly enough, all of the comments have now been deleted from Monday's article.
Between the Olympian and Steve Klein, I guess they all want the reporting to go one way:
jz's.
pfft.

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one more... :roll: "If you think that thousands of unplanned people attending and using water resources is going to be overlooked then you are mistaken." Good. I hope they especially look at water usage during her "Blue College" events and Assay (summer) where, in the past, over ...

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read in chronological order from the bottom up (if some of the comments don't make sense) comments following the article: http://www.haloscan.com/comments/theolympian/672384/ (DEAD LINK) "The number of students visiting the community who participated also increased to 1,635, more than double fr...

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https://yelmcommunity.org/2009/02/harding-spins-to-state-legisla/ YELM ? The city has lost the latest round in an apparent precedent-setting case that will determine when and to what level a city must prove it has the water to serve a planned development. Yelm Mayor Ron Harding said Friday the city ...

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DON'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY WAL-MART HAS NOT FULFILLED ITS AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND FOLLOWED THE LAND USE APPROVAL AND MDNS REQUIRING THE CONNECTOR TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF OF THE PURCHASE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY? Steve- You're getting just about as good as the channel for riling up the ...

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November 22, 2008 CB & HAM RADIO CLASS COMES TO YELM NOVEMBER 23RD! OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. Greetings Community, Join us on Sunday, November 23rd @ 4pm at Gordon's Grange in Yelm. (Downtown Yelm, beside Gordon's Garden Centers Patio & Gift Shop, 308 Yelm Ave East) Doors open at 3:30pm, Please Ki...

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This guy never quits. He can make a mtn out of a mole hill. November 23, 2008 YELM WAL-MART CONNECTOR TO 103RD NOW OVERDUE TO HAVE BEEN BUILT From the Yelm Community Blog of May 24, 2008: Last year on Friday, July 20, the Nisqually Valley News reported about Yelm's new Wal-Mart opening and noted the...

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another inflated paid advertisement of crap 2 million dollars? you have GOT to be kidding me. They don't HAVE 2m in discretionary income to spend. Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment Contributes to Local Economy A large number of RSE students from the United States and all over the world traveled to th...

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I feel fortunate in that this is the ONE assay I missed
(of course, all you ex students know the pressure of how THAT feels-missing out!)

this is one time I am GLAD I missed.
I did mix a few batches, but the stuff tasted nasty.
Who in their right minds ingest Drano?

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A Thurston County Superior Court judge reversed approval of five Yelm subdivisions in response to a Land Use Petition filed by channeler JZ Knight. Posted Nov 21, 2008. E-mail this article to a friend. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News A Thurston County Superior Court judge reversed approval of ...

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He has since ended his employment with RSE.

um...who booted whom here??!!

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By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News Trespassing charges filed against former RSE spokesman James Flick were dismissed without prejudice by the Yelm Municipal Court judge. Flick faced criminal trespassing charges for allegedly going on an undeveloped portion of Tahoma Terra, private property, to ta...

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Amusing he uses this Ramster reference, as if the wind is on his side. Gawd Steve. You are as transparent as the channel. November 21, 2008 MAYOR'S CREDIBILITY 'GONE WITH THE WIND' - NOT TRUTHFUL IN NVN STORY! The Nisqually Valley News reported in their November 21st edition a front page story title...

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Why not have a Q & A Live Stream with "the big guy" ? no one has to put out expense of travel in this economically difficult time. Why not have a "Home Wine Ceremony" with the same aforementioned being? THAT would be a big winner. No casualty of drinking and driving. Why not ...

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I just wouldn't worry about it. If you worry your attract that. I am not quite sure I would go with this recommendation. Coming from a military background, it is easy to see how and why you can say this. Not quite coming from a sense of compassion for the individual at hand. Not every one was train...

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the lawyers would have to come with the definition of "rarely". In her eyes, she puts on, let's say. 8 events per month. (heavy side). 8 times 12 is 96. out of 96 events, the possible events having over 1000 are: 1) Christmas 2) New Year's 3) Blue College Feb 4) Blue College Oct 5) Assay (...

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now all she needs to seal the deal is hook up with one of the most indoctrinated
of the crowd.
Who will be the new Mr. "Go To" man?

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From personal experience, It is not uncommon that for former students to get harassed by current students. Current students seem really unnerved by people who leave. In the past, they have followed me around town, said snide things at the post office, give even lovlier looks, send nasty e-mails and ...

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Just mulling over why a not-so-young guy would leave her in the first place. And make it noted, the first one that has left HER. Finally, someone had the balls. So, after 10 years of acquiring every toy imagineable (cars, trucks, boats, trips abroad) maybe he came to the conclusion that there was mo...

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it's seems they let a few comments in.

do they have the funds to keep people on this web front?
I guess they don't have any thing better to do then.

The truth will always prevail.

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....and....
to further the "come out" clause....

all recent students have signed a waiver before attending,
how much better does it get than that?

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you'll still be rich and famous JZ if you tell the truth, maybe even richer and more famous -There's a larger audience for true confessions than inconsistent accents....

SOOOO true.

ding$ ding$ ding$ !!

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Well, she HAS read EMF and is hitting the internet.
There is alot of room out in that sandbox jz.
Good luck keeping sand from getting in your eyes.

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I'm the guy wearing shorts in the winter when all the weak minded people going to counciling are wearing 3-4 layres. it's just in the mind ya all. And I can also honestly say one time i inspired a little girl where the lack of you would of never made it happen. I don't know how long you have been o...

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well, I am sure EMF is doing the same countermeasures in their produced videos. All is fair on the playing field of life. Thank god they only have 520 subscribers to their feeds. That's not many out of 6 billion. You watch, Greg Simmons doing the next tutorial about You Tube. Good luck with that one...

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and... for future embarassing moments, I would be TOTALLY embarassed YEARS from now, if I was one of those 17 old timers I see in the front row , who years from now, might realized, it is all a crock of (*&^. Wake UP!! front row! Those hand gestures and "voice inflections" are working ...

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I wonder what the significance of the timing of the release is. she has had nothing better to do in these last few months other than think up marketing gimmicks. Hence all the PR, the web team blah blah (including NLP hand gestures) and the Home Study Course. She has to be able to do better than Ob...

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You have GOT to be kidding me! a freaking Home Study program??!! What if I have all those books and cd's? What t-shirt do I get? Do I get to come for the next Blue College event? Wow. And for the great price savings over a beginner's event and travel to Yelm. What a way to support the deflation goin...

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And oddly enough every event i attracted a partner who mocked ramtha, and jz. I can see this as being totally right on. Now, if the students who are thinking this can actually bring that to the forefront of their thinking as deduce: hmm....she just DID change up that story. And then start to ask so...

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So... If she shacks up with a women, the teachings will make gay ok. If she opts for celibacy, the teachings will say those who are celibate are the most enlightened and there will be a re-hash of the enlightenment being an alone journey. If she opts for someone heavy, the teachings will uplift tho...

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I have been mulling over this Caris Hensley thing. There is a young boy (now about age 9) who was named by jzr. They were told to spell the name Karas, and told it meant running water. It is pretty obvious what this was in reference to, and if I was HIS parents, and I were out of RSE (one is but jus...

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David- in another thread a few mentioned about her possibility of being gay. this is where it stems. Either way, it would be interesting to see how things pan out and how the "new" teachings develop. I, for one, am shocked in at least 3 individuals who took her "look at your plumbing&...

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Yelm-based Intention Media announces the movie FUEL is being shown in limited release in the U. S. now as their current, featured project: "Most Americans know we?ve got a problem: an addiction to oil that taxes the environment, entangles us in costly foreign policies, and threatens the nation?...

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of course, someone announces a Yelm first, a radio station, but NOT without Steve making a big bruhaha over KRSE formed by 2 Ramtha followers. where is the icon with the dude spewing?? It's amazing to see how much they have to paint themselves as the main ingredients around town. November 16, 2008 &...

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:roll: go ahead, Steve. get 'em all charged up in a frenzy. The Ramsters are acting as if the Kool Aid is kicking in. Say one thing and they all jump on the bandwagon. ____________________________________________________ liz said: Keep prattling Steve, you are doing a great job! I learn more from th...

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this is amusing and validating that he does indeed read EMF. LOLOLOL! Any way, his NEW response and continuing saga..... does he EVER get tired of the drama?? November 14, 2008 MAYOR HAS EGG ON FACE - NOW SAYS HE TAKES ISSUE WITH JUDGE'S RULING! Dear Readers; I know that some of you may have issue w...

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Knight, one of the greatest minds of the 21st Century this part is particularly annoying.... just who has dubbed her "one of the greatest minds" pulllleeeze! No wonder people pay big bucks to such relations firms-to tell everyone once again how magnificant the Empress looks in her (non) c...

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for me, I am just allowing whatever beliefs she has to take her through. In a political allegory, I would not much want to identify with being a republican nor a democrat, just a democratic nation under one elected official and governing body to move us in the greatest directed good of the country a...

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Mods-

oh dear. of course.

my bad.

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In fact, only rarely would 1,000 attendees be on site for any event.

blatant un-truth. wow. how many times have they had tents erected for overflow alone?
wow.

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This info also reminds me of something I noted several years ago and I'm sure contributed to my eventual catching on to the scam... I was around during the years when Ramtha was doing all the wine ceremony weddings. I remember being shocked when the handsome Red Guard guy that was with Linda Evans ...

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truster- 1. no such room 2. she is a voracious and compulsive shopper. Internet is awesome for someone like her.Just have anything delivered to your door. wake-up about "drinking the kool-aid" - it was clearly a metaphor for "doing whatever crazy assed thing JZR tells these people to ...

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Some of the survivors would commit suicide, die at the hands of others or fall victim to drugs. But many more moved on to new careers, spouses and even churches. pick your lot after cult involvement. It happens. and many we do not hear from..... "None of us are survivors; we just got away,&quo...

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EXACTLY my point.

unless one keeps a daily journal, some things are going to be blown way out of
proportion or skewed or facts missing, etc

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I was aware that Bar Cinco was originally owned and made into several different businesses in the past by Ramsters. I think as a whole, the Ramster businesses stick out like a sore thumb, sorta like wearing a cape downtown Yelm. I would think the locals would rather not have this going on. I just ha...

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optymistic- Glad to hear of such progress so soon. I hope all is being followed up with some group or couple counseling. Like a really heavy person, that problem or weight did not get there overnight. Nor will it go away in a short period of time. I am happy you have something to support you and fal...

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I understand your anger.. But being so harsh against RSE members is falling headlong into Judith?s trap. I think you misunderstand or misinterpret my words. I did not convey anger at all, or at least that was not my intention. I do have alot of friends who are native Yelmites. They would love nothi...

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not blame JZ for the damage she caused & the pain she inflicted, Just an an alcoholic must, and abuser must take self-responsibility for their actions, of which JZ has done zilch in this department other than to deflect it with another personality. The amount of pain and suffering she has cause...

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"Don't talk like that in front of the children, Cans. It's Christmas, don't spoil it for them," I said, and then I took the boys and some of their toys into their room. I didn't want them to get upset seeing him in such a sorry state. When I returned calmly to the living room, he was stil...

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and like I said..... she has NEVER been, in her life, without a man. What will she resort to NOW?? she will definitely lash out at SOMEBODY. Pray to god they do not fear her. Only then will they have the last laugh. Where was that ad California posted? :twisted: oh wait. when they were looking for a...

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you watch.....

here she comes out with the crocodile tears, whoa is me...
then.....
new teachings that end up: "You will suffer more than I am! YOU MUST DO THESE THINGS
AND GREATER!"

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and....
to top it off

what would a sociopath do who has been betrayed??!!

maybe this will be the straw that makes the boil explode.

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California Dreamin'- pretty funny stuff Young, but not too young. Definitely moldable. Easy on the eyes a definite plus What I have found so thoroughly entertaining during these 20 or 30 years of teachings is that she has ALWAYS had a man around - a "kept" man at that, Yet espouses in the ...

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When BB originally dissed his fiance for Judith, the fiance went up to "Ramtha" and asked what the purpose of James being called into a relationship by JZ. The fiance was told. "So you can experience betrayal>" ack I believe she's still current in the school eeh gad... I don't th...

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I concur I heard 1, 2 , and 3 as well.
ESPECIALLY in regards to the taxes-it was re-iterated over and over again.

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yes, finally someone dumps HER probably no more poker games in the shop and the staff is quietly in a nervous state, as it always happens when there is a "changing of the guard" the yellow guards have seen this coming for quite some time no doubt, after having been together for over the 7 ...

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I'm so confused Now the PR piece is no longer on google above the RSE piece. What's going on here see? that is called "having your staff monitor EMF so we can get some great ideas because those folks are internet savvy and I need to employ those methods". as far as her "prediction&qu...

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Legally quoting somebody else's copyrighted music, pictures or words
without paying or asking permission-if it benefits society
more than it hurts its copyright holder.

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on masters connection.....wow only two years in, and look at her "entitlement" thinking: ---------------------------- Land you are not using - I can use THANK YOU for your consideration: Student of Great Work for 2 1/2 years, Blue College, retiring end of June 2009,moving to Yelm area, req...

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you can't on-line
you have to subscribe to the paper or have someone send it to you

a few of the others I have printed here I have manually re-typed in here just so people
can see the stupidity and ludicrousness of the thinking.

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ps

If it had not been for my personal financial struggle and crisis (which I am still enduring,
but without the as-serious-mental-health aspects), I would have just dug a hole
with the backhoe and threw the entire lot in there. the end.

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ps

I can hardly wait for some Ramster to give me a reminder about what "diplomacy" really is
according to "Ramtha". hahaha!

Not to mention the teachings about "Timing is everything". pfft

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Well, since an abundance of people had been writing scathing letters to the editor for the past several weeks, and several people writing to the editor about their major healings and how RSE was a spiritual center of the world, and how GLen Cunningham was just as disgruntled as David Mc, I had enoug...

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David- I am nor sure I am getting your point you made. I was purely just making my point from a personal perspective. With serious mental health issues for the first year and a half I was out, there was little help anywhere to help pay the bills just to survive. My very first weekend when my friend ...

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It can't be just me.... I know. I thought the same thing. Prattle is a perfect word for his rhetoric. And I would think the town folks have the same reaction. NO permit can be issued in any of these five subdivisions unless adequate water is proven at final plat, NOT at building permit issuance sta...

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I wasn't thinking of dualitic terms here. In my case, I have had less than optimal means of supporting myself since leaving, and making any chunk of money is worth it, ESPECIALLY if I know by their e-bay moniker that they are fully indoctrinated by RSE. I am in no way going to convince them that wha...

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Wake Up Excllent middle of the road, common sense route. (Isn't this what we are striving for? no fanaticism?) great way to connect with people and getting out the message without being "in your face" and "since you asked" also, Ramster"s LOVE that out of print stuff! I mean...

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We need the poll code for: 1) I have peed in the woods while attending an event 2) I pooped in the woods while attending an event 3) I brought my own little porta potty and disposed of it wherever I felt like during an event 4) I was a living Christ and had no need for any bodily function removal du...

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This is great. Fight back in the same legal arena. oh yes, those facilites fall wickedly short of being ample supply for so many people. This ought to be good. and how about a lecture from the "big guy" regarding proper toilet etiquette during Blue College where the entire audience in atte...

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yes, I was in attendance when he came to speak. JZ heavily promoted his latest book concerning the environment. AT the time, I did not see her reasoning for bringing him in as she was pro repbulican and had taken a full page ad out in the Olympian saying how much she and the school supported Bush. N...

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http://www.rse-auctions.com/items.asp

she is really getting creative in this economic downturn.
Maybe some students will sell some gold just to have frequency specific clothes that SHE bought
at premium price from Nieman Marcus!

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RSE Auctions.com Grab a piece of History!! The Rarest of Rare! Don't miss this great opportunity to have the frequency of your master teacher on your person (ack!!) or in your home! Ramtha's Vintage Stage Rug Ramtha's Clothing and Shoes RSE-Auctions.com Bid Today-Wear it Tomorrow!! :roll: :roll: :ro...

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RSE will be much different from now on.....MUCH more different that when David,Tree, Others and I attended. We all had visions of being GOD through self sacrifice. WHAT an individual concept ! I love you all ! What I can gather to, from the best of my faculties, is that I/you and ex RSE, have come ...

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cross posted from Wolfman...... The Vote Is In I am not going to explain myself........Look up and research what I have already posted. And like I have said before. I am so great full to have EMF in which to "Post". Ohbama's appointment by consensus consciousness points the way to change. ...

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today Nov 5, Dr Phil had a segment on cults and mind control. two different groups or cults were represented along with Rick Ross and a producer of a documentary for A and E to be aired Nov 9. Check out the Dr Phil link to today's show. He wants to bring awareness of cults out into the mainstream. P...

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I nearly forgot the title of that letter:

RAMTHA NEVER LOSES CHARACTER

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October 31, 2008 Editor, For more than 20 years my husband and I attended events regularly at Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment. We were both present during Glen Cunningham?s brief tenure with RSE and never witnessed any of the inconsistencies or fakery he so insidiously refers to. We observed thousa...

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October 22, 2008
US v Michael Dotson
case number: 2006R00187 and court docket number: 08-30035

Michael Dotson was charged with 10 felonies ( 1 count of attmept and conspiracy fraud 9 counts of forgeiture-mode of recovery). Sentencing will be January 16, 2009.

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Hey, so I used to post on the old board pretty frequently last fall, I don't think i've been back much since then. If anyone needs a refresher about me/my story, here it is: I posted a lot about my then girlfriend who was getting into RSE pretty heavily. I was living with her (and one or two other R...

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well done zyx..... :)

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I'm just still in shock that I've been a victim of mind control & I'm still digesting all this information which is like "shock therapy" but I'm not really strong mentally right now so I'll just pray that God takes over for me b/c I'm exhausted. I, too, have experienced this intensely...

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http://www.rickross.com/start_me_up.html

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xindy- your current and past situation parallels closer to RSE than you think. I would have never thought Hate groups nor battered women's syndrome were so closely related. I cannot find the exact link with Nicole Simpson Brown's handwritten letters, but they are somewhere in this site. I am just su...

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jeezus-
this whole thing has turned into a fear fest.
wth
let it go....

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Another Ramster's dream down the tubes awwww you didn't focus hard enough I hope the others follow suit very soon. Good riddance. It?s official: Bar Cinco is closing its doors on Sunday, November 2. "It?s been so great to meet the many wonderful people who frequent Bar 5! We appreciate your sup...

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7 comments: (Steve's responses to these people show he is gleaning much manipulation tactics from JZ. Good Fido!) Bill Owen said: Hi Steve, Good work keeping this issue from flying past "under the radar". I really respect your dedication to the community. I am so confused. (Nothing new her...

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This guy just DOES NOT get it. Wow. http://www.yelmcommunity.org/ October 28, 2008 To Mayor Harding & the Yelm City Council; Many of you have lived most or all of your lives in Yelm and have given much of your time and energy to serving your friends, neighbors and families in this community each...

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.....So the moderators edited your post... honestly, I take offense to this, as this has occured to me as well here, so then I just back off posting. I peruse at least 3 other forums and post regularly and not one of them is moderated or censored like EMF is. So I go back to: I don't own this site ...

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Now this IS my FIRST post on EMF with new username! And before I wrote that about old one (such a sweetie) I saw under new users: optimystic. before I even got to the posts, my very first thought was: oh great. some ramster posing as a mystic. :shock: :) we know you mean well new poster/xindy/optim...

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Old one got lost in the Tank & fell to the lower level. LOL

before I saw the several previous posts, I thought our "old one" got the boot in the tank!!!

:)

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there's always the claim to "English not being my native tongue". hahhah! well then, Mr Ascended Master: "What be a Safeway?" "What be a screen door?" wait. You want to use a life line? What? the little fairy? or the big dude with the big wings who you won't name becaus...

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from what I gather, everyone is eventually pushed up to Blue College, and more so the elderly....

blue college MUSt pay full fare, NO EXCPETION$$$$$$
seniors and children pay half price,

not bringing in enough revenue?? invite everyone to Blue College to feel special

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I recall thinking early on in 1989 when "Ramtha" was doing a teaching and "he" went to the white board, grabbled a marker and made a line. We thought we had witnesses a miracle!!! :) :roll: Years later, "ramtha" grabbed a marker in the left hand and slying looked at the...

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http://ramtha.com/Newsletter/Vol4/Issue10/Newsletter_online.html (DEAD LINK) here we go again, another round of recommended reading (of course, "Ramtha" inspired these authors! hahahahh! yeah, right!) Red Lion, Nine Faces Masters of the Far East (totally made up story. the author did not e...

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In the future, I will be more circumspect of spontaneously posting personal revelations, awareness, without running it through a scrupulous, "ramspeak spell & grammar checker"

Bwahahahah!!!

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why do you connect robert-abuse-especially the children's field ? what happened ? my son and his son used to hang out together as kids. When your kids hang out with other kids, you usually get to know another household fairly well or at least how it is run. Robert is very very abusive in his own ho...

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and further refecting about ramsters using the internet.... I would liken them to what John McCain's views are regarding the internet-at least the baby boomer age people. They just don't get it. And Obama has ACTIVELY pursued the avenue of the internet for his campaign with great success. I do think...

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Does RSE have "people" watching EMF? If so, are ex-RSE members afraid they'll somehow be turned in? Is there a web site where the followers of JZ/R post? Is it the FACTNET site? Also, isn't JZ/R concerned that her spies (if there are any) may start seeing "The Light" when readin...

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I had NO IDEA that ex-RSE members are still carrying a "fear" in them that somehow JZ/R will hurt them. I think this is one of the most difficult aspects to work through. I truly think it is according to each individual, just as their experiences were at the ranch were as well. That fear,...

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It could just as easily have been explained as a lucky day at the races that any one of us could have had.

This is a great point. And all too common practice at RSE.
Coincidence being a major point in "creating one's reality".

Makes me want to write to her sister and point out EMF.

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xindy-
not to worry about any steps back or whatever, by any of us.
At any given time, we can not answer, or not come to the forums if we are not up to it.

You never know when a one-liner will spark an "a-ha!" for someone.
Your contributions make for a larger view. Thank YOU! :)

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I ignored him. (It was Robert; I knew the voice) if anyone angers me at RSE, it is Robert with his holier than thou attitude that has been ever so prominent at the ranch. INCLUDING the children's field. This guy is a piece of work. To this day, if I ever hear "ARISE!" or "follow my v...

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I didn't know where to put this, so mods, do what you will..... Anyway, I was driving to my temp job today. I have found it to be quite comfortable and don't really mind the daily routine. But the thought occured to me while driving there this morning. For as long as I can remember (joke, sort of 8)...

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I just read and re read this post as I have never told this story to anybody. I find it UTTERLY amazing I even consented to this at all. And the utter fear of not being able to talk because we were told not to. How brainwashed is THAT? And to DEMAND my son and I not got any further once we arrived a...

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as was stated earlier, I loved the tank. I did not liken myself to the group with Lars (Master of Roses), Billy (william of Orange) and Vicky Cady, etc. I made every trek and every decision without the aid of the powers that be above. THEE most memorable trip for me was the year we were "allowe...

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eww.

reality strikes.

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My ex-RSE sister is extremely careful as to what she reads & sees, something sets off a "bell" I can say I still have some be-wary-nesses still around. Today, a song came on associated with a wine ceremony again. I talked my self through it saying."this song was made long before ...

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"supplies" in the school would later included: a 4 foot flourescent tube bow, arrows wine, cheese, bread then chicken, any red meat, olives Blue College Blinders (oooh-so so special :roll: ) fiberglass pentagram for making cards fully self contained tents, raingear, food, water and wine f...

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cats , in particular, were for women who lost all love interest in men. The more the woman had cats, the "worse" in a Ramster's eyes they were. in the most recent years, there were teachings that cats were predators (looked down upon by ol ramtha lord of the wind) side note: I found it odd...

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tree has been to the TANK ! she can do anything. (inside joke) OMG!!! HAHAHAH! :lol: :lol: :lol: This was too fricking funny! It wasn't until I was several months into posting on here that I realized how abusive the tank was. I, for one, loved it. BUT.....I had a very serious panic attack in Las Ve...

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Blue Body healing was first taught as a dance. It then evolved to making an outline of a body on a 5 by 8 card and drawing inside the body, blue webs (because jz read somewhere that some scientist found these blue "carbules"). These two later evolved to a healing "off" of hands.,...

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xindy said: When you speak of having to guard each thought and re-train your thinking process, From my own experience of being IN the group, and in particular my process exiting, I can tell you the freedom FROM guarding my thoughts was I think second in my epiphanies. To answer your question, I beli...

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One after thought after having written this. I would be very curious as to the effects of such training had on Mike Wright (mr fighter pilot) and his subsequent trip to the looney bin after his breakdown a bit after moving to Yelm. ( I do know an ex Ramster who was on duty at the hosptial at St Pete...

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NPR talk show About fighter pilot?s and ?apparent? OBE?s Ok. So I order a pizza and drive to get said Pizza at 3 in the afternoon. (somewhat of an anomaly). I have NPR (National Public Radio) on and on comes a special segment. Apparently during some extensive training sessions over the course of a s...

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xindy-
no apologies needed not at all
I don't think anyone felt misled.

I am glad you find EMF and the sources helpful

And we truly appreciate your input and words-seriously
big hugs and thank you :)

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Wow. What an incredibly frustrating time and path, if you will. To endeavor to recover as well as being in the midst of Ramsters ....well, I know. It is near maddening. She said, it would be like a death or a divorce. when people sense the magitude of the fall out, whether one is ACCEPTING of it or ...

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Honestly,
he's still too close and in the thick of it.

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I just looked again this evening (Thursday) at his site. http://www.yelm.com/ he has taken all but 2 comments down, expcept his own letters to the editor. Me thinks he does not like detractors to his site, when his suggested premise is being "of service" to all of Yelm, with the disclaimer...

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someone forwarded me the e-mailer that RSE/jz sent out for world wide 2009 events. The sub title was: See Yourself There now, if there was EVER a master at using the "unobvious obvious" and keeping people hooked, jz it the shizzle! :shock: Wow. as if saying to current students" "...

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Coming to Yelm Cinemas at JZ Knight's request . . . Oct 21-28 Bill Maher's documentary: Religulous events@elist-ramtha.com ------------------------- It's not the movie that I find odd. It the "by special request by JZ Knight" to Margaret Clapp, the owner of Yelm Cinemas. When just a few ye...

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When I went back to Steve's website the next day(Tuesday), all comments from all readers had been removed. Only Steve's letters to the editor remained. This was as of last evening (Wednesday 9 pm CST). If he did indeed re-post them today (Thursday), then I have not been to his site today. Interestin...

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Dear Xindy- Thank you ever so much. wow. You know, for my first several months here on EMF , I posted my recoverying journey pretty much as I was experiencing it. I somehow knew that some one, some where, might be able to identify with it. And then I would get bombarded in town by Ramsters, or the m...

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Thank you for your post Xindy. It is always eye opening to hear from family members and what they observe from the outside. I was really moved by your vernacular as not one iota had any verbage of RSE. It has been my experience and observation that recovery takes a very long time. One never knows wh...

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Steve Klein is also guilty of refusing to post email letters to his BLOG by detractors and critics of his own writing; having "caught him" in a pickle or two. He has, despite his claims to post all comments to his blog, CENSORED it. yes... I responded quite succinctly to a few posters com...

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JS Handlan said: I agree 100%; it is far past time for the local news to give the people of this community a real picture of what is happening in city gov't. Instead of creating more of a smoke screen to distract them from becoming involved in their own city, and the events that will affect it in th...

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LOCAL NEWSPAPER CONTINUES EMPHASIS ON COMMUNITY DIVISIVENESS Nisqually Valley News publisher/editor Graves says that my words printed in his newspaper last Friday to fellow Yelm Chamber members were "not-so-thinly-veiled threats to personalize local businesses". The title of his editorial ...

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This guy should really stop while he only has one foot in his mouth. I think both feet would prove to be a bit much. :twisted: Oct 13: I find the Oct. 10 Letter to the Editor published in the NVN by a local Christian Pastor inferring about me to be ridiculous & misplaced: "[Klein is] repres...

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was not attacking you or the mods. It is just that several times on EMF people have quoted "credible sources", which coming from the moderators, I understand. From purely a nuts and bolts point of view (or journalistic for that matter) it is only "he said, or she said". That's al...

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making such posts before one can cite their sources either publcily or privately does not necessarily
make the stories credible. Kind of like JZ making "scientific claims" that "ramtha" is real.

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so
who are the sources?
and why all the secrecy?

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very interesting Joe.
Thanks a bunch.

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ps

I agree with Wake Up's answers 100%, so I did not answer that which they answered already.

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I was a student for 19 years. Does RZ Knight claim to be enlightened, or is she still a Master student? "Ramtha" claims that JZ will be the first female christ. How does RZ explain mandatory events? Why is it necessary to go to events if the truth is all about self realisation and proof? y...

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typical "testimonial to her predictions"

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