The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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http://bendoverministries.com/ I got in on a search, but only after several attempts, and then it only has a home page. This is pretty funny though ( I did see it the first time 'round): Ben Dover Ministries Home Ben Dover Ministries offers salvation at affordable prices. We are pleased to announce ...

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"For as long as I can remember...my golf course, here that I walk upon as a Christ...has always had a full membership of 1000 people paying $20,000 per year... except for me, because I've owned it, for as long as I can remember..." as sweet and as humble a guy James once (and still occasi...

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I have personally seen Kenny do this on stage and in the casino with the roulette wheel. I have personally seen Debbie read through the cards. I have personally read through the cards. My whole point is, so what? What now? I just don't care for JZ touting these things to promote her silly school tha...

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I was sitting with the kids (we were playing a card game in the dining room), watching the storm come in. Well, so what ? So what is that commonly, Ramsters credit and/all intense weather phenomenon to The Lord Of The Wind, a.k.a. Ramtha. So, for an ex-student to be able to enjoy any wind-related w...

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interesting.
have no clue how I found this other than I was trying to Google the Unencyclopedia

internet traffic in regards to ramtha.com

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traff ... ramtha.com

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in fact, if anyone knows Windsor or Jean Handley, they might want to contact
a lawyer since they were the ones marketing Michael Dotson's program in Yelm.
I hope they don't get brought down the same as Michael Kodosky took a few down
with him after Clyde Hood.

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journey through Ramtha land, I really don't know why Debbie nor Kenny nor the new person (well, she is only new to Yelm a few years) contact him. They have a legitimate uh, skill that I don't think he can refute. And who in their right mind couldn't use a million bucks?? I just don't know the point ...

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perhaps those with Ramster partners, family, friends need to look in themselves at their need to control/change/convince "their" Ramster. I am not so sure this is the uh, appropriate approach here. Especially I know this is not true for recovered alcoholics. I think for those people who h...

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to add to the parodidic humor (is that a word?)

hell, JZ makes words up as the all knowing Ramtha.
Why can't I?

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http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ramtha

to add to the parodidic humor (is that a word?)

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they'd rather eat nails than admit their original ideas could use any improvement omg.sooo true. UNLESS it came from the Emporess herself. Then of course, they go back to their office, think to themselves, " I gave her that idea MONTHS ago. " but then they say. "Wow, SHe is SUCH a ge...

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Do you really need Ramtha to tell you where to take the kids when you can just buy a newspaper??

This is fricking' hilarious Wakeup!
omg. "Know you what a clam is?"

HAHAHAH
clams, the things in the ocean, not the greenback kind

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OMG!!! Too frickin' funny!!

"As long I have remembered......."

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And it is the ONLY discipline in 30 years that has produced people (now 3) who can do it consistently Ding! Ding! Ding! she finally found one and is riding on the coattails of that. uh, what was the saying in the tank? "ah, master, YOU are an opportunist!!" Think about it. The ONE thing t...

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They can't wrap their wits around (I'm not saying ALL of them, but many of them), DIVERSITY. They can only wrap their wits around being with LIKE MINDED people. It's a form of prejudice, with arrogance. However, I also think they are filled with fear, not because of just the Days To Come stuff, but...

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:oops: um...thank you. the price has been steep, but I think after a year and a couple months, I actually have much of my former brain and emotions intact. I am going to post here that since my hiatus here at EMF, I have moved very far away from Ramsterville. I cannot express to the ex-students who ...

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Honestly, I think Greg is so far in and still a HUGE believer. I mean, he writes a book along the same lines and he has a huge fan following. Blue Body ...well......consdiering he is past the legal point of being considered "married" in the eyes of the state, I am sure he is bound by some ...

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what a true blessing your sister is.....

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omgosh Marie-
that is funny

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ps both JO and BB were listed as "property managers." um..yeah...the golfers way to managing property :wink: oh and ps mike or james or jz...that phrase was coined by a member who is still currently on your staff. ahem! think front office. someone who actually has a really good sense of hu...

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from my recollection, it has only been her lovers that have supposedly "seen" 'Ramtha'.
uh, yeah. mm hm.
I think they got an extra bonus in their pay check that week.

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He only has to hold the idea of being a Dr. in his consciousness and remember that he got a doctorate at some point in his life, and one day he will look on the wall of his office and see

bhwa! hahah!

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And it's combined with telling people that when they stick around RSE, it's because they've passed the test of adversity Ramtha setup for them and that they are the ones who conquered doubt. I see this as a CONTINUAL hook for current students, especially when a few of us are so blantanly out of the...

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hmm
so which is it?!

serious student of The Great Work want to know

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but I'm thinking that BBody probably signed some tremendously binding legal gag order. and you wonder why J. O. does not live in America anymore. I don't know how Blue Body takes it, unless he continues on with his golfing and poker outings to get out of the house. not to mention the trips to Franc...

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journeythroughRamthaland-
I have scheduled you for a very important meeting on August 23 in LA.
It is an all day affair.

ties and tops optional

(jk)

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Hmmm...think Jerry Springer would be interested? Jzrk and suprise! Ex-RSE students come out....

bwha! hahah!!

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http://ramtha.tv/audio/DaveRossSept2007.asp from Joe Sz; Re: JZ interview on Dave Ross Sept 28 ...over the decades I've been frustrated with most interviewers of religious cult personalities. Either they get overbearing [like Geraldo] or toss puff-ball criticisms [like Larry King]. I think Larry Kin...

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Larry King? I would love to see this entire forum printed out and areas highlighted and sent to his producer - When JZ Knight was on the Dave Ross radio show last summer, twice, , we made sure a show was aired to show the other side of RSE. When I was personally questioned by Mr. Ross,with his exas...

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"Ramtha" is always boasting about his power and prowess, which is a put down to all the men in the audience. His boasting about how all women love him, and he's the best lover, etc., etc., . . . ." sort of like when JZ dons the persona of Ramtha after having been on a lengthy vacatio...

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I would have to disagree about the dysfunctional childhood let me say I did NOT say EVERYONE who attended, or has attended RSE has a modicum of dysfunction. I, myself, grew up in a very wealthy, well-balanced, somewhat type A personality household. Every cult/group has its' draws. I was not making ...

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Why in the world would she want to SM/Trademark "Gladys.??"

maybe she thinks it will be made into a cartoon.
or maybe a sitcom.

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I see her exhausted, crippled by stress and anxiety, judgemental and fearful... Humbled Pied Piper- This, I think, is THEE most astounding thing for me to witness of CURRENT RSE members now that I am out. It is riveting. And don't think for one minute that once one REALIZES this is how they have be...

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In face, why don't we all type off a quick simple note to the Larry King Show suggesting a show with ex-RSE'ers AND jzrk? Sometimes it only takes a few notes or calls from different individuals to "spark" an idea for "great television!"

hmmmm........

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not to split hairs here, but last i knew, it was Ryan's co.
Maybe he sold it to Michelle Horkings.
After all, whatever is good for Greg is good for Michelle

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yes, they are copyrighted but can be annotated as such. and yes, I knew all these people at the time of the chats: Just_Cat_Badu Skyward LilliputBadu the_elephantman I know Lillitput is not current. (has not been for some time. Have not had a chance to chat with her, although I have a feeling she mi...

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Ramtha has dubbed JZ a "realized" Christ for 30 years. This is insane, at best. ___________________ on a side note, while I was working at the Ranch, Blue Body had asked my son if he wanted to get paid to take leaves off of JZ's roof of her house. My son declined because the pay was so cr...

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A point of clarity... I don't think the focus of a spiritual growth community should be money. It is however necessary in today's culture. But sheesh, if they're going to get money-focused, at least show some savvy and genius about it.

bwah HAHAHAH!!!

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I would have to agree with you Humbled Pied Piper. Every one of my "friends" during my tenure at RSE had some large degree of dysfunction in their lives as children. Children of alcoholics, abused as children, etc I have a theory that the more severe the abuse as a child, the closer to the...

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This is the first time I heard this Wake-up, but I am not surprised. I know for me, while I was in, I would have defended RSE to the hilt. Kinda like ex-cults members of all kinds gathering.... Even though they know they were each a part of a particular group/cult, the tendency is to defend your own...

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Something I've been contemplating for myself is what made Ramtha and RSE so attractive to me in the first place... because I would really like to not repeat this life decision! A part of it was being "special" - the "radical few." This was a MAJOR hook for me. Here you have an a...

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just know, that during a wine ceremony , there is a cornered off area for the children and parents under age 12 (who do not drink). This doesn't mean much because children are still exposed to JZ's drunken debauchery. That being said, because of , and as a result of this forum, the wine ceremonies h...

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I am not sure how a CPS review could be scheduled during a wine ceremony as I am sure Judy takes all precautions in this regard. For instance, no impromptu visits would be allowed, in addition, most wine ceremonies are sponatneous in nature. JZ keeps things that way for instance so no fire marshalls...

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her tendency is to make it as though i don't and can't understand... i'm not "open-minded"... i don't have the "skills" to understand the quantum physics behind it... yes, this is the part where the group's naricissm comes in. You, as the tiny little villager of "social con...

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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Madeline+Tobias&sitesearch=# cult recovery 101 http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Madeline+Tobias&sitesearch=# cult recovery 201 for further down the road Humbled. your 12 step comment reminded me of this. and I am so not surprised by the alcoholic/in...

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While Emoto has published his claim in one peer reviewed journal, it has neither been substantiated nor disproved by research scientists. Ding!Ding!Ding! same goes for Danielle Graham's "study" and the "study" done on JZ. C'mon students!! Wake up! There are no alternative paradi...

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hey Leemar- Long time. Yeah, tell your sis and the lawyer to take a long hike. The same bs with the same gd lawyers. They all think they can claim defamation for posting opinions. I'd like to see the letter. Anyway, apparently she didn'te get enough airtime with the Secret people and Law of Attracti...

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Hi Humbled! Welcome.
Great Assesment, and wow, I don't know how you do it, enduring all the JZ is holier than thou effects.

Glad to see your views. They are very welcome!

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Tree, I think Wake Up Call needs to feel as though those years and dollars weren't wasted. Yes, I agree. I quite understood that. I was endeavoring to point out what "good" things came out of it for me. I guess I didn't articulate that very well. I just know for myself, all those times I ...

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David-
Maybe look in the paperwork I have you.
There was a hand written copy from Teri Simpson and her
Optimum Energy store. I know there were notes from
in the arena as well.

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Lost in Space: And, you sound pretty okay, actually, all things considered. I am now, thanks to alot of education and a few supportive people. I would not wish my past year and 2 months on my worst enemy(if I had one). I think most would crack or kill themselves, in all honesty.And a few have. I fee...

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Whatcha said: Or that the void-feeling itself, is related to the events/school. I?ve talked to a number of people who have left RSE and felt that void. It wasn?t the void of missing going to the events, the habit of going to the events, not seeing one?s ?friends? at events, hearing the big guy, etc....

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'journeythroughramthaland posted... One of the statistics revealed by the study done at RSE of JZ and a group of "advanced" students Greg Simmons included, was that on average they were 3 times higher on a dissociative states then the general public. might I add, because the disciplines t...

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'journeythroughramthaland posted... Could it be that when in a group/religion/traumatic situation etc which occupy one's full dissociative capacity that upon leaving, the void one feels and has to deal with is partly the unused dissociative capacity while engaging their critical thinking abilities?...

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Notice how patient, kind and helpful the reviewers are and how obnoxious and condescending Danielle is. I whole heartedly agree. So, can she now boast, it did, in fact, go up for peer review?? uh..so what. they shot it down. you became arrogant because of your "teacher". pfft. world rekno...

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do you care to list some of these 'positives'...? I actually think this is a double edged sword of an improportional size. So as to "not throw the baby out with the bathwater" thing for , let's say, 20 years of a person's life, yet, some of those very 'viable' things and experiences may s...

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How is she able to ramble on for hours on end in an altered voice. She doesn't use notes and discusses everything she talks about at great length, JZ uses this as a great tactic. But this is what I have come up with. How many times did you leave an event and someone come up to you and say." Wh...

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There was an article in the Evergreen State College campus magazine that mentioned that Danielle had not yet achieved her AA degree, but that her current studies pur her on track for her 4 year degree. I took offense to her as well because she was alluding to working on her Master's degree (maybe sh...

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Recovery from a divorce when you were not the "cheater", from a bad business venture with a scammer, or a "wrong" war as a soldier is lot like recovery from a folie a deux [shared delusion] when your "leader" and not you was delusional and deceptive. This is not like a...

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Now that I've found EMF I'm beginning to understand what has happened to me. There's a reason for feeling (at times) like I am going insane. I think this point is much more prevalent with former students than we realize. A person whom I had just been re=acquainted with from RSE had been "non c...

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I can't find where I had made a post about DG before, but here is the interview I found laughable ( of course, in hind sight). Also, I could never quite "get" what she was endeavoring to accomplish. It was all gibberish to me (and I do have a college education). To me, this is very typical...

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This is where I'm glad the government is on the scene for nut cases and fanactics, thinking they are the 'second coming.' To take it a step further, other countries, for example Germany, have gov't protocol is place for NOT allowing cults to conduct business in their country. The US, and the rest o...

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Unless of course, you are of the RSE bent and consider Kenny seeing through cards and Master of Music wagering on the horses as a community of leaders :roll: I still fail to see how these Henry Sugar attributes (and NOT copyrighted by JZK Inc) are of ANY value to the world as a whole (or small). I j...

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around the time the Omega and Alpha programs were going around, a couple , whom I may have considered friends at the time in RSE, came to me with yet another Omega type scheme. But this time, the male of the couple was personally to be involved with the project and he actually flew several times to ...

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I kept expecting to see JZR's "succession plan" (as is the corporate term) to kick in. when I worked there, I always wondered why there was not a protocol found in most corporations. There were only "unspoken" and "understood" rules. When I paid a visit to my physician...

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Please turn to your cyber partner and explain .....

OMG!!! HaHA HAHAHA!

That was hysterical!!

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If you can PM Marie, she might be a really good source. Marie has a mother and sister in the school and has been dealing with this issue for some time. Keep posting your thoughts. For me, I brought my son up in the school since age 1 (ack!!! hindsight is 20/20). At my exit counseling (documented und...

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ok...so I personally heard from one "master" who had just come directly from the Assay. Initials EJ. he said: we are to bury our food underground next to a rock so as to mark its' place because all of the trees will be gone in the area. Also, our gov't knows about our food because they are...

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what JZR told the parents of Keiras was that it meant "stream of clear water." And to segue into JZR changing the 'meaning ' of things.... how about defining ailments of the body and their attitudinal derivatives? for instance, Louise Hay says knee means flexibility.If you have a knee inju...

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wolf- ah, yes, I forgot about that one. And that JZ herself would be the holy godmother and teach this child great things personally . That was Jaemie and Collette'a last baby. One more comes to mind, Duke Cavaras. They call him Duke. His parents left for New York about 2 years ago (because they cou...

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There have been several children named in the school. Mirabeau, Sir Karli, Dharma, Pyrrenees, Lyra,Kieras, just to name a few. I do know of a few others, but their bizarre origin of name escapes me at the moment. More will come to mind, I am sure. nothing of JZs behavior as CEO or in her personal ac...

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maybe SHE was pretending to be HE.

SHE does not like to be outdone by ANYone.
and I mean ANYone.
That's why she fires them or lets them go.

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I think this would mean hard core facts. Facts of science. Facts that someone admittedly wrote a book of fiction when, let's say Ramtha said: "I inspired this book (and you all should believe it and read it over and over)." Actual facts of how the brain works. Actual facts of people ascend...

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oh yeah

he still attends ths school

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I was told the same thing about "CIA Ron"
he originally was hired by the CIA to atttend the school.
He later admitted that he was convinced.

I don't think any of this is true
but who knows

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We who have been through such as JZ?s Ramtha are, in some ways, like people who have been imprisoned for a long time or kidnapped or institutionalized ? we need to give ourselves all the time we need to readjust to another life. I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. A person is NOT the same o...

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littlewiseone- I was only trying to find the things that stuck in your mind the most during the time your parents were trying to get you out. Your father's reasoning seemed to have stuck out more than the letters. That's all I was saying. Just trying to find the most effective approach for/with Rupr...

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All I recall is that one event the paintings were up. Everyone was getting the story and information off the internet.
Then an event or two later, they were taken down without mention.
I thought it was all quite odd. Never knew what to make of it.

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I can tell you that my dad's well reasoned arguments stuck with me even if I argued fervently against them at the time.

this, I think is quite poignant. This stands upon its' own merits above and beyond what littlewiseone offered about the heartfelt letters.

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on further contemplation of the mortality issue for myself today: When I entered RSE, death had never even crossed my mind. I was 27. So when RSE presented the potential of ascension I thought, "Wow! This rocks!" When I left the school, however, 19 years later upon exiting, I was left with...

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and speaking of educating people about cults, just when I think RSE is the last bastion of cults, I find out there are many more even MORE DANGEROUS cults out there. Involving guns, drugs, jogging cults (joggers jogging until their death), the list goes on. check out ICSA : http://www.icsahome.com/

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Geezuz.
what would you teach a teenager who is prone to peer pressure?

Is there a "cults for Dummies" out there somewhere?

Great question littlewiseone.

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LWO- in your response to Marie regarding the points of reading her mother's e-mails: I can understand your view up to a point. But, in your case, you felt your parents betrayed you on a number of occasions in their most heartfelt efforts to get a minor out of the clutches of a cult. I have to admit,...

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and by the way, here in Yelm, they are buying tons of freeze dried foods...but they are all wondering what to do about the food being required to NOT be in metal cans as "our gov't can detect them." But the added rumor is that "the gov't has bought up all the freeze dried food, so wha...

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? To "change the timeline" of excuses of why the teachings are not working?!

equivalent to the retarded quip: "the greatest of my predictions are the ones that have not come to pass."
wth is that?! a back up for more bs.

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Ruprecht- A very thorough, well thought out, loving letter to your mother. I can totally appreciate it for what it is , but I am on the 'outside' now. As a former member fpr 19 years, I can say to you that had I read that letter 5 years ago, my brain could not and would not be able to see all the lo...

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More often than not, it's the Friends who remain in the School that drop those who left. SOOO true. Any experience can be a learning experience; and so I learned during my years attending Ramtha events. I agree with Watcha - I don't think that JZ's method is valid - it changed too many times; too m...

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It's THEM, reacting to what you are and are not, that THEY cannot handle. The sad part, is you get the fallout of where they are, because you're not there with them. I cannot stress this enough. Today, the gentleman (and I am being kind here) with the initials EJ came back to the work site after th...

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when Dave Runnels (Reynolds) was invited on stage and applauded for being such a genius with money (Harrington-Templar) I will NEVER forget THAT one. I was sitting near the back of the room during a wine ceremony when JZR brought Dave up on stage. I did not realize it to be a red flag at the time. ...

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Also, to this day I swear I had the BEST TIME OF MY LIFE at the October Boktau, when we did Christmas in October. What an absolute blast! I think of this every September. Well, uh, that can be very much disputed now as to the start of Christmas. But I had 10 people over for eggs, bacon, sausage and...

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the only times I felt my heart warmed by that god was when I was at an event or practicing "the teachings."

Please read the book: Take Back Your Life.
This point is illustrated there.
This is the hook.

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I fogot the most important:

DO ALL OF YOUR DISCIPLINES DAILY.

(Kenny is now moving poker chips with his mind. You should as well.)

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so, today, I am on the job, and the former "project mgr" shows up, even though the client has fired him becasue of his lame ethics, and 'business partner' who is getting paid $45 /hr to run a backhoe, when the dude has never been ON one. Anyway, they come to the site, seeking the job, but ...

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Well, let me say, I have played poker with James Flick. His game is a solid game, but NOTHING to attribute to the teachings. I think what this website needs is one of those, I don't know what you call them, but every time "Ramtha" gets Googled, any word associated in the EMF posts gets tra...

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At that time, one day, my husband said to me (not in anger or anything like that, "I think this is enough, and it's time to leave." if you ask me, this was the equivalent of aussie girl saying: "I think it is time you leave RSE , or this will destroy our relationship." you did h...

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ok...here is some info: http://www.candacepert.com/ http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1591792231/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?%5Fencoding=UTF8&pageNumber=2&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3ED5MCBW9BYQT "This review is from: Your Body Is Your Subconscious Mind (Audio Cassette) In this work, ...

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and am concerned about what my "molecules of emotion" are doing and have done to my health. I don't know where to put this or go with this thought. Pretty scary for me. I can't even look at Joe Dispenza's brain book without getting an anxiety attack. It gives me an image of those animatio...

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After I left the school, the toll it took on my personal life has become evident. I have a huge void in my life, and my emotional structure is very weak. I've had a nervous breakdown, become a bonafide alcoholic (recovering now thru AA). RSE used to be the context from which I structured my life, a...

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"Its heartbreaking to watch how my partner beats himself up about his "addictions" " Let me give you an example of how insidious this statement is. I have been out of RSE now for a little over a year. Just two weeks ago. I was talking to the therapist about a change in my environ...

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and speaking about relationships, JZR on a number of occasions has repeatedly said throughout the teachings how difficult it would be to be a member of RSE and to have a relationship with someone in "social consciousness." She said that for the most part, not to attempt it. "They will...

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"is it also an RSE charactiristic to talk a lot about what you are going to do, be, etc but not actually do it?" yes!!! fortunately, for me, I am a do=er by nature. While in RSE, I had single mother friends who would just sit and make cards for hours just drinking coffee or wine. They insi...

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"My RSE partner is always on about not being judgemental but its such a contradiction as he is one of the most judgmental people I know," Aussiegirl- I would say this is a valid assessment of nearly every RSE student I know.And some are even worse. I truly believe this comes from the "...

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ex-
too funny!!! LOL

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Marie- This is very good to know about other people, as well. But in the case of my friend observing MY behaviors socially over the past year, she noticed, that me, the person who is not negative, had turned several outings into picking on lots of people's patterns in one evening...and not ONE of th...

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Dear RSE- The incident I described at the bank actually did not occur to me but to a very dear friend of mine who is still to scared to post. So, before you start putting up slides of "don't talk to these ex- members" (hahah!), you won't have to worry about little ol moi hearing from the R...

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California- oddly enough, just before shipping one of my copies of the Rockumentary off to a very happy e-bay Ramster last week, I watched it as well. I was pretty stunned. That masterbating thing was totally rude, the debasing of other religions, the "eye-to-eye" dancing just appaling, th...

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So, between a mental health visit and the continuing saga of this UG in progress, I have this stunning realization about 1) being HIGHLY judgemental of fellow RSE'ers (while I was in) and of course, with the villagers this being a by product of the continual brainwashing 2) how much this judgement c...

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So I go into town today, and lucky me, the ranch has been let out on a break. People with pink bands abound. I go into the bank. Two women are in front of me. One turns around to me, speaking to me as if she thinks I am still in school and declares, "I am at the event!" I think to myself, ...

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I was under duress in RSE, and unable to even see how very much I was under duress until I was OUT OF IT, looking back upon it.

so so very true!

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the journey out of RSE has BEEN my enlightenment

This one liner has got to be the post of the month

" free from the restriction of being told what's real and what to think/do/be. It's sad that they believe they are so openminded, but they are very closedminded"

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Oldone- My response was to the person who was having trouble navigating the question of "where would I be? had I not been in RSE". I really do think working with a trusted professional that understands cults and how they work can be a very viable tool. I am not angry at JZ per se. I actual...

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"As I find myself childless and approaching 60, I often catch myself wondering what would my life would have been like if I hadn't "discovered" the Ram when I was in my mid 30's and I hadn't given up my career and left my community and given up my deisre to have children ...I wonder h...

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wth....
this is sick....

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(((hugs))) oldone.
and good luck with the honey do list. at least you don't have to memorize it!
that was very funny, btw.
oh, and I AM so very grateful and happy for you to have sustained your marriage
through all the crap of RSE. Best wishes in your new home.

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Most of us oldtimers at RSE recall this story. It was first told to us the first night we were allowed to stay at the Ranch. Assay like 1, 2 or 3. Feel free to refresh my memory. JZR made this elaborate story about the great forest that his people/army inhabited. His army seemed very uncomfortable i...

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I have one other marketing idea for RSE. Instead of giving out t-shirts at the Assay this year (uh, I believe they stopped that several years ago.....what? too much money? don't want to put out $5 for each $1300 you snag?) give out 5 cds to each student (pretty cheap to put out, maybe 7 cents a cd) ...

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Welcome Dreamin'! I can totally relate to your confusion and being disturbed. It is quite the bumpy road on the way out. I, too, can relate to your miracle during twilight. Many of those "disciplines" that were taught, plus many others, can be found many other places and for FREE. In fact,...

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actually, I am surprised they did not use the chain letter tactic: If you do not send it to at least 5 of your e-mail recipients within 1 hour, you will NOT be allowed to attend the next required event. :shock: :D :roll: or better yet (am I giving them too many ideas?? lol) how about a re-make of th...

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Well, I did not know where else to post this, but since you two mentioned that you got hooked through friends ( as I did as well-Hawaii videos) check out THIS announcement by JZ: JZ Knight would like to send you a fond and affectionate note of interest. To All Our Dear RSE Students, We are changing ...

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I didn'tknow where to put this, but I found this inetersting to to say the least: Abu Ghraib prison turned soldiers evil by design: researcher Glenn Chapman AFP February 29, 2008 The very design of Abu Ghraib in Iraq turned good soldiers into evil tormentors that humiliated and brutalized prisoners,...

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p.s.
I think this thread is entirely amusing.
Going from a real story, to an hilarious thread,
to Robert's (lack of) work ethics,
to engineering for a UG,
to the bizarre logic of RSE Ram-think
to toothpaste.

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my point EXACTLY Marie. You could be having a discussion with a Ramster about the amount of lead in a pencil, and they will come up with hair-pulling, maddening off-the-wall logic. Heck, you could even include toothpaste in the discussion and they would be inclined to include some wine benefits, som...

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neither.
What RSE will claim is a previsously scientifically proven "study".
Might we remind them it was so poor in its' findings and methods, it never
went up for peer review.

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See & E and oldone you have posted a tremendous amount of food for thought and I will have to read and re-read this thread and give myself time for digestion as you have put into words what I am experiencing as well. a bit over whelming at times and to not have verbage of the ranch go round and ...

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" UG drills. One was a month long, and they weren't supposed to come out." One was dated 5/5/2000. That was to be a 4 day total lock down long weekend. If you did not have your UG completed, you were to head to something over 500" above sea level and camp there. Mostly, it was a long ...

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" I am pretty sure that most evryone on this site have similar,, how can I say it " nightmare "" what I was told by a therapist, these are commonly called "flashbacks." one is sent back by one of the five senses back to a place in time at the Ranch. just give your self ...

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" Life can still seem bleak some days when I look around and see the violence, the wars, the cruelty and destruction happening in the world and even in my own community. But to think that blowing or focusing on a card or doing a trance-like walk will somehow magically change all that and land m...

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I hear what you are saying David. And I agree with oldone. But one cannot compete with their methods of thinking. I reasoned with her, showed her the figures, was kind, gentle, told her I did not want to take anyone's job away from them, pointed out why TWO entrances might be better than one, one 4 ...

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I would have to say I equated enlightenment with ascension while I was in RSE. We were told this was possible. I don't recall thinking what I thought prior. JZR just enticed us with a nice story as far as I see it now. I don't think I have a definition of it now. Still too much of a trigger. I don't...

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If she cannot even be swayed with the numbers rip-off on paper and she was easily swooned by Mr. slick talker, the wine store guy, she is DEFINITELY NOT going to listen to me. You know how easily swayed women are who don't know about building when a man is around, especially if they are touting &quo...

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Cindy struck me as more fanatical than ever at the first LARSE meeting. was she somewhere in-between then in her exiting process? she has been TOTALLY supportive of me since January of this year.(and maybe sooner) she said, "anything to nail The Walrus." I said, "the Walrus?" sh...

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"A 4? thickness mono slab with steel reinforcing is standard for a house basement.

uh....they did not even use rebar......

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http://armageddoncocktailhour.wordpress ... tember-12/

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http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/cu ... wkins.html

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http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?opti ... 1&Itemid=8

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ok...so just last week, I am asked to work on some Ramster's UG by one of the next metioned "contractors" because I have a) the ability to lay stone and block b) I have the abiility for the last 8 years to work an excavator, backhoe, or cat. c) and I have worked with this guy before. He kn...

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EXACTLY!!

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If the World Doesn?t end, be Suspicious By Pastor Jeff Adams Nisqually Valley News June 13, 2008 Most cults are clearly marked by doom and gloom teachings. They control people by fear. However, the end of the world is coming ?it?s going to be scary and must hurry to do what is takes to selfishly sav...

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NEWS ALERT AND PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT By Cindy Schorno, Broker for Yelm Real Estate Thurston County is out and about on the land in Southeast Thurston County including the Yelm, Rainier, and Tenino areas. As many Southeast Thurston County residents have recently heard and experienced, Thurston ...

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Hey Hey to make it much more funny one of them was mind old one!! too funny...I can relate!! lol as far as Robert having enough money to buy whatever clothes at a ridiculous price and then telling the Nisqually Valley new that "the power is in the boots." :D :D :D does he know how ridicul...

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and let's not forget the female nurse practitioner who dispensed the majority of the prozac to RSE students as the result of such an "astounding teaching." I wish someone could pull all of the RSE students medical files from the Yelm family clinic to coordinate the dates of this. What? the...

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amazing insight ex.

marketing and bs at its' finest.

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thank you ordinary mind for such an honest post. I am with Whatcha here in saying that reading other people's stories are very healing for myself. And this site IS controversial, and many have had to withstand the judgements of current RSE students who are actually taught to NOT judge, but by the sh...

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yes, the personal testimonials were the selling point for me.
I wish he had posted more.
Sadly enough, I must say, I wish I had been more open minded back then.
But it goes to show how much brainwashing is actually used.

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on the first one I had Sir Robert doing the digging he took him 2 week working 4 hrs a day to do the hole and I TOUGHT HE WAS A VERY FAST DIGGER omg old one! were you on crack cocaine?!?!? HAHAHAHA :D The THOUGHT of Robert even exercising ONE JOINT of his body, other that to play poker with BLue Bo...

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and Sir in Front of Robert's name

THAT really gets me as well, as he is one of the ULTIMATE brown nosers I have EVER met.

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since you are only basing the questionnaire of students coming out from a "revival" sort of week. ok. let's say, you get introduced to product X, whether it be for 2 days, 3 days, 4 days or a week. THERE IS MARKETING INVOLVED!! you might not KNOW it, but they have hit EVERy single button ...

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one never knows where another "ex' member stands in their a) beliefs or b) exiting process until one has a one on one. Thus far, it is just my opinion, Joe still thinks that the enitty "Ramtha" exists and is still very very hurt by JZ's actions, whom he was so privledged to know and d...

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oh dear, now here is your newly update version of ascension. wow. the May 8th "play now". and then in regards to the "former members calling RSE a cult." "Our survey numbers of 90% of the people finding that their week at RSE was the most fulfilling week of their life FAR ou...

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I don't know where to post this, but I found some of Greg's answers pretty amusing. http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/gregsimmons.shtml May 8th, 2008 Alternatives to sleeping in tents or in the arena at RSE; struggle between old beliefs and new intuition; should Canadian retirement be used to pay off...

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a side story to this one. during the construction of this UG, the owner one day decided to come down and finally participate. She grabs the skill saw, sais: If you hear any whining sounds, it is just me cutting this sheet of plywood at an angle. (She was at home consultant for some kind of physics r...

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Old One- you have me nearly peeing my pants! I have another story about a single person contracting me to build their entire UG all by myself. They were SOO fanatical, they only wanted ONE person. of course, I was so brainwashed at the time, of course I thought I could do this. So, I get all supplie...

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David-
I think it would be unwise to answer this.

The recent new posts have been enriching.
I think we should go with that.

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skeptics are [/quote]because they are too extreme and there is data that does not support their contradictory claims I would have to agree with this. I think there is something to be said about balance and everything in moderation. this site is PRIMARILY designed for the people who are really not at...

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here! here! Marie.
My sentiments exactly.
The only reason I am giving this one more shot.

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and p.s.

it's a VERY good time to have a garage sale if you are an ex-Ramster.
You can make a ton of $ and the current students feel like they are getting a really good deal

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I've got a good UG building story. One project leader, who is an illegal alien, driving me, a blind folded passenger, and another 4 blind folded illegal aliens in back of the truck covered with a canopy. The project leader/driver, gets pulled over for speeding. The officer looks in and asks, why are...

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Whatcha- No UG's would be in the city proper. Well, I take that back. Someone who passed away in the school fairly recently built a permitted dome within the Yelm city limits. That was done according to code. I do know that the Thurston County Auditor's office is aware of UG's in the county. The ass...

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I happened to run into a recent-out-from-RSE student at Fred Meyer. After the first several awkard sentences seeing if who of us was still in school or how long each of us was out, this person relayed to me this story. This person, I shall call him Dan, went to a Thanksgiving dinner several years ba...

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AD60- A well thought out, poetic account of your experience. I think for me, my last two years at RSE, I sat more and more to the back of the arena. And with every repetitious teaching of that damn horse Seabiscuit(no offense to the horse, of course), I kept thinking, "where is the meat of this...

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I am not inspired at all to have that kind of person guide or teach me when we are all really equals in the human condition. Kristin- I would have to say I am with you here on this one. Here were equal humans, with equal if not "worse" human situations (like pedophelia, adultery, alcoholi...

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LWO- I would say there were maybe 30 in each group from what I recall being on the field that day. You have to keep in mind though, we were deprived of much sleep and food during those 3 days and nights. We were told to bring only a bottle of water and only a handful of food (nuts or something). We ...

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Hi Krisitn- yes, that is me. and thank you for posting your heartfelt posts. Groups 12 and 13 were formed as a result of enduring the first "Focus Beach" aka Paradise Beach for 3 days and 3 nights. You had to have remained on Paradise Beach for the entire 3 days and 3 nights. We were given...

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It was my understanding, in regards to Grandmother, that , if (and she DID) could do all the disciplines, she was NOT making herself younger. Hence, JZ offering Grandmother a facelift, as if to tell the world: I have magic number one who can do ALL of the disciplines. But she cannot make herself loo...

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Marie- C+E is just as you hear your mother. nothing hidden more than what you can hear. Deep breath in, a "shushing" of the breath out, with a visualization concentrated upon on the way out (whether it be health, a card, something you want, the breath of fire going to your brain, etc). It ...

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Kristin- why did you leave the school? I too, was in group 12. It was one of THEE most memorable of my experiences at the ranch. Focus Beach. That, and the Tahumo group that I was in (the first 12 who made it to the void 3 times in a row when the tank was new). I find your insertion about the wine c...

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