The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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good to hear from you tree. sad that you still have so much trouble with the cult brainwash. i am very glad that you diden't get bought which kind of bothered me [sorry]. everything jzr talks bad is good for recovery: a relationship [doesen't hold you spiritual back] not doing disciplins [doesen't s...

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the other thing to point out is that the quot from 2000 wasn't made as a warning for say 10 years in the future. it was made as an actual imidiet threat. viruses aliens earthquakes asteroids fires are constant themes at rse long before and long after i was there.

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viruses are a real issue. what i have the problem with is how rse uses this. in non of the article is written that the scientists went to create this virus.[i do not question the existence just the motives]. they did research. if they r the real bad boys like ramtha describes them??? probably not.al...

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here an example how 'right' ramtha is go afterwards to the articles to evaluate the emotional charge rse gives to be right: “Scientists DELIBERATELY create ‘Armageddon’ virus” - Ramtha’s predictions on viruses are chillingly precise - “Terror fear as scientists DELIBERATELY create ‘Armageddon’ bird ...

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look the coments of the news tribune up. probably ramtha told to write to the newspaper. everybody follows.

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the developer should have the same rights as jz knight. this senior right is just bull. so she nags on technicalities. hope the city of yelm starts to look into the details of her operation. her parking lot close to the creek, running a campground......

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Political Buzz Talking WA politics. Washington Supreme Court gives JZ Knight a victory in her challenge of Yelm development Post by Peter Callaghan / The News Tribune on Dec. 15, 2011 at 8:31 am | December 15, 2011 9:23 am The case involved proposed subdivisions in Yelm next door to JZ Knight’s 80-...

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the new children school is up and ready. no covered up cult brainwash anymore. they put the kids behind blinders for cultreprograming and r proud of it. how do the days to come stuff gets to children? how do kids react to a 'fooled you sukkers' from theire parents rolemodel. you think they diden't g...

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http://www.yelmonline.com/articles/2011 ... 190047.txt

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the Nissqually valley news: LOCAL NEWS Print | E-mail | Comment (No comments posted.) | Rate | Text Size Court rules in Knight’s favor 0 0 Thompson Creek flows through Knight’s property, which is located near the proposed subdivisions. File photo/Nisqually Valley News City, channeler disagree over s...

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merry christmas SG. all the best to you. happy holydays to all of you.

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so there is hope. good for your friend.

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some more for jz out of the news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... rcury.html

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the puppy went to heaven. so i assume this are Christians. they raised the death without any rse training. bravo. of course you can spin it: because ramtha raises the energie in yelm miracles are possible? or if they would have spent 3000$ on events instead of the veterinarien they could have healed...

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she will not bother. too far away. you have nothing she needs from you. to make this clear. i am not afraid of her. if there is something which would put her out of business count me in. waiving signs in front of people who just leave fresh brainwashed the ranch dosen't cut it. and i wrote letters t...

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fear and superstition is only part of it. there is more than imagined danger connected to jz knight: goons send to the properties from people involved in court cases. ruined businesses from people who spoke up against her. it is enough to sleep with jz to get rid of competition [larse and eric] not ...

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that is cheep. people pay 1/4 million here for crappy quality. no house included.

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yes rse teaches that the major cataclysm which didn't happen this year will happen next. i doubt she believe this all her action always contradict this. its just $$$$$ for jz. here is the article you refer to [they tend to disappear into the archives] OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR Why the Antichrist Matters in ...

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must be the ultimate power trip: driving people to suicide. or giving them advise and determine them to die. there is sadly no real investigation of deaths in the student body. its not ok to tell people to take 3 times of the recommended dosage for supplements. but jz and a ray can get away with mur...

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one of whitewinds downfalls was the use of 'so be it'. i found this about mafu because i had some questions about when and where: http://www.answers.com/topic/mafu the big difference are 3000 years. no evolution seems to happen. very similar entities. using all the same channel lingo: so be it, inde...

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well there is a precedence now. whitewind -jz in washington state. the case sounds absolute simmilar. whitewind lost. even so there were only similarities. the evidence was gathered from jzs plants. all depends on who can afford the better lawyers.

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the mayen y2k. so humans can't handle a a shift of numbers and go crazy. anyone got the story from ramtha that sun flairs will fry the brains. so we have to reprogram and create a new world? do ramsters with fried brains find their ugs? do non fried ramsters life in the past? does jz herd her follow...

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we don't have to compare jz. she is totaly unique: a mental going cult leader. cought up in her fantasies about having a dick and having coped humans down with a big sword called: crouch an.

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out of the clacified of the masterconection: Our 2000sq ft. shelter is finished & fully equipped. There are several spaces left that we are offering to students for $25,000. per person. Having special skills & knowledge are a plus. Please - only serious applicants, who are financially sovere...

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yes she works with hand gestures. so did adolf hitler.the c&e position, the so be are gestures like: the heil hitler the raised communist fist or the american victory. the antroposophs have a gymnastic to which they atribute healing powers. around carlos castaneda and his magigen don juan there ...

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by all means get jz alias ramtha behind bars or ruin her. what frustrates me is that she rips families apart ruins people and can do this under the protection of the law and we have to think about a detour to get to her. further frustrating is that she has her followers who think she is real and cel...

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http://www.mastersconnection.com/index. ... the-march2

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120 asian coming - 80 wondering = 40 left brainwashed and filling jzrs lines. i wonder how many are current at the end of the year. jz as ramtha asked before students to relocate. the yelm master scene always needed fresh student money to exist.

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here some update out of the master connection: It’s been about 8 months since Ramtha strongly advised his Asian students to leave their home country and find a safe place to prepare for the days that are here. Many students from Japan, Taiwan, China, Korea, and others moved to other countries to fin...

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what an original idea. they can use all materials from this year and say ' whats a year for a 35000 year old being'. nothing changes for an rse student. another year to prepare for survival instead of living.

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'she wants to be f#@%^ by a horse?'
very important lesson you have to pay for if you seek enlightenment.
the quality of the scam drops down. but she is still in business.
some fat suction will take care of her figure.
[all comments are to provoke jzr except no3 which should upset her customers]

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jz has her brainwashed students. you can waive a sign at the gate they will all laugh at you. you can talk all you want jz and ramtha is their hero. rse is and was always a scam to make money for jz. i wonder about your questions i write long enough here that my opinion is known. the only thing what...

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thanks joe for your input and putting a realistic perspective on this subject. i would like to see it differently but i think you r right. the justice i would like to see will not be reached on this board. it will take a big effort from someone to prosecute jz knight. she knows to spin everything to...

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i visited rse for several years. i paid for my seminars. i have the right to form an opinion about rse and the leading head figure jz knight: 1. i saw no evidence for the 'miracles and healings' believing this hearsay in the beginning i saw rather evidence that the successes are staged or rather per...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFq-XiGCRns
this is too funny

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good for you .. and yes.not jz herself but she has her goons. it still is a reverence in rse circles 'to be in the school'. do you think the ug builder lately mentioned is still in business? there r businesses which suffered from remarks coming from stage. i personally think your planed action is go...

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would suit jz to put faces to emf members. i know people who got harassed and put out of business for less than taking opposition in public. a wile rse run advertisement on shopping carts in safeway. i hated using them. my funds are not big enough to use this option. rse students would have time to ...

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[quote]decline from "55,000 in 2001 to 25,000 in 2008". nevertheless, the Co$ counts difrently and claims over 6 million members!!! some people call that BIG number the total mailing list since the beginning and not a count of committed, paying members.[/quote] i wonder what the real curre...

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same at rse. blue college follow up is running now.

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it is a relief that ramthaisem is nothing genuine. all of jzs crap has a source and its not her 35000year old invisible, made up friend.

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every society needs fairy tales to entertain.

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the wine ceremonies with all students rely hit of at this time. before it was a special treat or good by drink of a singel glass. as i understand. wasn't there before 98.

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thanks for putting this together. some of this stuff i read in forums googling ramtha. it shows that rse faces real founded critics nowadays. before it was non students with no clue what goes on behind the walls arguing with students who know it all.that is different now. even people who accept chan...

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http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesi ... en_of_eden
http://www.subgenius.com/
http://www.venganza.org/

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whats the same with jz and ron? both write fiction and pretend its true.

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the imaginary ditch.....sometimes she comes up with this metapher. i allways thought what ditch ?what does it divide? then when you r at the edge of the ditch why go down at all? find a bridge. sometimes i felt like beeing pushed in a ditch at rse. and staff and ramtha pushing me back when i try to ...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44983933/ns ... qGZj5sr2so

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hi justwow. my compliments to you having choosen such a difficult relationship. you r bright to see all the points jz actual fails. you r definitly right not to push too hard. but sadly your partner will think some day you see the rse light. relationships between students and nonstudents mostly don'...

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there r more traffic related signs at this gate. a big stop sign with instructions to hold until you r cleared even if the gate is open. clearwood gets advised by inspectors how to set up their street signs in the comunety. and i know from a contractor who had to change street signs in his developme...

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thanks for putting the photo directly up. i was wondering about this too. years ago a bookshop got in big trouble having signs permanently at the street. of course it was a christian one close to jzs bookshop in town.

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http://ufoscienceconsciousnessconference.blogspot.com even after being involved and mentioned in abuse reports still michels involvement in the catolic church is his advertisement. interesting that major rse teachings comes from others [like dr joe] and jz only delivers incoherent drivel. another re...

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http://www.yelm.com/images/rsesign.jpg
observe the fence. looks like a cult compound probably is a cult compound.

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i guess we get the underdeveloped aliens. not even abel to land on a planet? got to know not to go into their faulty ships.

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everybody had a nice sunday? no meteroits no earthquakes no tsunamies?. yes the ring of fire had some occurrences last week. coulden't come from elenin he got sizzled out by the sun. rse will create a: the ram so told you so. they just need to eddied some tapes. the ramsters still go to their follow...

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hi rooster. good that you looked through rse. i too made the experience that every miracle of rse could be manipulated. in the time i doubted i asked many people a view questions: how do you know ramtha is real? the two answers were: it doesn't matter if he is not real if not jz is the big kahuna. i...

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wait wait not sunday yet. still hope all advanced ramsters leave with their alien friends. have all a good weekend.

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this guy is the product from rse. or he is satire. funny but could trigger old rse sch..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Oa7fPu ... re=related

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here you go jz someone who sets a pyramid on the head and makes money. we all missed the real teaching: take a pyramid put some color on it and find some one to put it on the head. pyramids with included blindfolds???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHChGiOmujg

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i defended rse after it was clear that i am no longer be part of it. the programing goes deep. i also searched a long time to justify the waste of lifetime and money i did. this 'not worshiping anymore' is a clear sign of doubt. also your son in laws search for a future society kind of shows were rs...

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maybe your daughter woke up and sees rse what it is. sadly some will just hop the cult. try to find answers at a other similar place. the aliens who pic up evolved people seem to be jzs new ankle. people have to go to her events to make them worthy to be saved by aliens. jzs typical circle: doomsday...

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is the investors syndycat her scam?

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the article is about a failed business venture. the thing with earnie is something different that's a scam.

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that was probably the day the knights realized their future turns out better running a spiritual scho eh scam. what was rse at this point in time?

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call ramtha 3 times and if you feel a breeze or wind in your face. thats a miracle according to big bulls.....

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rse="hell on earth" thats it. the Bodhisattva concept is new age or budist?

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ramtha diden't walk up to you and talked with you about your spiritual struggle. that's what a real teacher who cares would do. he can't because jz is not evolved enough to take students. its a scam. we all got deep hypnotised at rse. i mean it takes a lot to get out of there. for me its connected t...

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so the threat part of jzs cycles is over. we see a nice old man reading poetry. next will be the spiritual growth promises for the retreats next year. around christmas you will hear what as...... the ones who doubt ramtha and left are, who couldn't see the benefits dealing with their anxiety and the...

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jz knight you r a liear and you put people in the poorhouse with your scam. on what grounds do you wanna sue ? is your imaginary friend, your creation, your delusional state insulted? wonder how the judges put up with this. i challenge your intellectual property too which you have stolen from other ...

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[quote] Is Jz secretly taping the self conversations on the field? Does anyone think have proof of that??[/quote] in the time i was disoriented after leaving rse i met a woman who claimed to have met a guy......[total hearsay. at that time i thought she is paranoid and the mics might be for recordin...

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you would think so. as you said there r thousands around. in rse this r the people who don't get it. there is also the atmosphere that all the hopes r on the new people. i thought in the beginning: what r all this losers doing here. with this powerful teachings i am enlightened in no time. since cle...

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ugs make total sense for jz. not to save your ass but: 1st multimillion dollar CASH industry. lots of this income goes in jzs pokets for events. 2nd: see the possession of a ug as a statussymbol. it shows what you can do and how serious you take her crap, 3rd:imagine what an anchorage it is to keep ...

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you put 1+1 together and you make a sane conclusion. what does it say about the people who take this teachings for real? i don't mean the people who r open minded and give this thing a try. i mean the ones who went trough several not happen catastrophes. i think its a test how far she can go.or to w...

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i said this before : ramthas march= spartacus with kirk douglas......twinkies teaching= homer simpson......macho behavior on stage= the king and i with juel bruner. jzs sources: wayne dryer, the universe with morgan freeman, countless shows on si fi, national geographic, history channel. save your m...

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i met izby and his wife and their two children. yesterday they saw vegas and before then disney land. they enjoyed being not outed as aliens in the colorful crowd. they come from the 23. universe. izby takes care of a crook. since there is usualy no criminality in their society this phenomena puzzle...

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i cant tell i don't live in lala land. my frequencie might not be high enough. i am so worried. only 3 more weeks for the elenin bs to happen.

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hi no bs. if you read here a while you might have seen my cynicism and i would say forget this guy and get the hell out of the relationship before it breaks your hart and bank account. but with you there is a baby and a possible futer familie in play. find out what role you play in his future. if he...

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here a letter from a international student. indoctrinated but with a sense of distance, probably not aware of the dark side of rse. i put this here because with the above info it makes more sense. no relationship= cranky nasty ramtha. relationship= loving suporting masterteacher. one question what t...

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elenin is jzs and roses wishing star?

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what a way out of the question: what happen to the days which r here scare this year. after this great gossip every thing goes in the background.

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ramtha has to address this? he should have to address that he brings people to yelm under false pretense. that non of his predictions come. yes you mention the false moral of rse. ridiculing people about fantasies or being homosexual. of course fathers missteps and jzs affairs are something different

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his misstep in Ireland didn't matter. after jz found out what a mess rapes of her employs can bring to her business she departed from him as a official teacher. obviews he has no place to go. during his hamburger universe talke he once admitted : he was young and in love and of course it was consens...

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http://www.mastersconnection.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=984:2011-and-its-44-comets&catid=75:earth-changes&Itemid=109 guys you have to read this by yourself. the way out of fathers bs prediction about elenin +++++. especially the end about people not been taken i...

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many teachings of ramtha are more or less premade answers which get introduced into students. ask one question several ramsters they will give you the same answers. thanks for writing sadfriend

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vanilla i thought about what you r saying about that some ramsters doubt. i hope you r right and i think too that there is something in us which yells beware from the 1st day!!! but i didn't listen, in the beginning. do people wait until dec 10 2012? how many countries don't have to be iced or not s...

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i too think he believes in all of it. he is long enough around to be so arrogant and believe his ug place will save his ass hoping to survive when most of everybody will fail. he knows from expierience jz is bluffing. nobody would survive 1000feet waves 2000mils/h storms.....

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ramthas not being punctual always pushed my buttons because i value my time too. but that's just jzs i am so important game. later i often tried to summarize the teachings and recognized that i spend hours on recycled teachings were you can summarize the new in few sentences. ramthas senseless never...

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http://www.mastersconnection.com/newsle ... etter.html
article # 2 information overload
the other thing whats come to mind is that this 'lady' takes advantage of disoriented ramsters. isen't this jzs realm of income? don't cross her.

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vanilla put the link up. its an article further down from a woman.

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the purpose of this crap is to desorient you up to the point were your only option is to give the ok that rse guids you.[quote]"For me it tied the loose ends of 30 years of information into a web of knowledge that makes perfect sense." [/quote]" than what a relieve you feel this on a ...

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[quote]"For me it tied the loose ends of 30 years of information into a web of knowledge that makes perfect sense." [/quote]
i do not know this peorson she might be a nice one. but this sentence sums it all up. there is no hope for people like her.

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1st cal dream: thanks for leaving this post. i had similar issues just lately. i had a non existing conspirecie working against me. yes this crap goes deep. 2nd :blue body seems to be out. since some hardcore ramsters died because some water was more powerful than blue body. 3rd : yes the triangle d...

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thank you. doesen't it say everything ?

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by the way: last event? ramtha feasts 5000$ a pers. tomorrow. it still cracks me up that you bring your 'suplies'. and again october 22. october 8 she is in europe. even there you bring your own wine. doom and gloom for 500$. feast and glamor for 5000$. when do people wake up?

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since this is such an interesting document can maybe a moderator get it in here before it disappears?

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some thoughts to this little info about the event. of course its difficult to judge a several houer event out of it: the tactic of throwing in some outrages claims to distract what people waiting for since spring, that major events happen that the ug building and food horting is seen as a smart move...

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2012 the sun will fry us? safest place is frozen over london? so you only need to wear a copperhead? how do you use a ug with no remembrance? comes here the huffing and puffing into play? does it cool the neuronets? i think ed was only a well paid consultened. that definitly sounds like jzs politics.

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tidalwave. to the case of tyger: he is just a bigmouth. here and on wide eyed cinema he started with big claims. what he can do and what he will do. when you call him out he doesn't life up to it. her on emf he got into very abusive language. so in my opinion if its necessary to keep emf a safe plac...

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remember?: the list one of the rse thought disciplines. one requirement was to start every statement with 'i am'. guess we have the true inventor of this self hypnoses here.

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[quote]-maybe Ramtha measured from the other direction from california moving closer to asia/europe [/quote]

hey joe thats what ramsters do: making 'any sense' out of whatever ramtha said. hope you dident get infected. just joking.

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the winds blew south and west so most of the radiation went into the pacific. how much ended over here through wind and sea currents i don't know.how do the japanese in yelm feel about raking in money in their homland? after they left it because of total destruction coming up?

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sadly you r right with the ten years from now. the wakeup quota is sadly very low. people who need more than 3-5 years to see with blinders, suscribe body and soul to rse, mostly a lifetime. as we see 25+years for people to leave jz finds just a new victim to fill her ranks. people rather get ridicu...

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rse tried to run the events with videos. soon they realized that theire material is not good and not enough. so they beefed up the video recording when ramtha came back, pretty quick. the new year event was one of the 'last with ramtha' event. a little of topic here: i talked to a guy who was over 2...

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elenin is from the conspirecie sides off the internet.zacharia sitchin with his niburu stuff is the main source of jz and this sides . some of the sides claim that elenin cover niburu and its following. other claim its the same. its a jz ramtha tactic to get one of her stuff members out giving lectu...

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i remember this. i just moved here. when i heard this i had tears in my eyes. just to be baffled a week later hearing jz claiming the ram is not gone. then heshe showed up for several last events.she milked it out.

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the earthquake in the east came pretty good for jz. it fills her pockets with money. just like a greyman making money left and right. october and september we will see.

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note the sentence that korea and taiwan will be done.

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Aug 23, 2011 Ramtha: Prediction of East Coast earthquake occurs 3 days later Ramtha predicted East Coast earthquakes on Saturday, August 20, 2011 in his address to over 1,000 students on-campus in Yelm and watching online via Live Stream. The significance of his remarks is that the East Coast is not...

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this all is such a good cop bad cop game. on some events the general were playing the bad ones just that she can come down as ramtha the nice father figure. thats the same with ramtha versus jz they excuse each other.

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yes it was ouer fault. in a way. we gave jz aka ramtha permission to scam, program us. we gave her ouer money. just like a car salesman who sells a crap car. moraly they should get both locked up. sadly they life theire parasitic lifes on theire next victims. to tell others that we got scamed is sad...

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this poor cult members who cant practice theire religon. greg simons would sound like jeff bent in a similar situation. oh i forgot jz knight is not ramtha and ramtha cant appear before a judge. and the bodyguard who raped that is no rape. why don't we allow cults to write theire own laws? and hande...

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all non masters are the ones who die in the earth changes. the coming back programming is fearbased. but you r on the right track already. since you get this connection : leaving rse means to clear or relationship to live and other humans. you r on a track to solve this problem. after i realized the...

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well done derren.

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the question and answer part: if jz is frequencies specific to the calers i start pitting her. the end is about niburu and elenin. pretty grim predictions made before and again. al in al a peorson not to see in rse. maybe in the mansion in private. i think she is well aware about emf and her worldwi...

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the interview is on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTNMA9VOu4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL pathetic introduction including the roswell and poor cotton picker angel. admits being delusional and with imaginary friends from early childhood. ramtha is the product of sleep deprivation. ...

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the conduct from people close to the stage always bothered me. once on event staff i saw the inefficiency of the staff. the non sharing of information misleading their help just to keep their post. the bulling of rse staff starting at the registry. in short if the future of society is mirrored at rs...

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she sold her chance of coming clean. its in the hands of the new owners of rse.

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from the coast to coast website: Guest host Rob Simone (email) was joined by Founder and President of Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment, JZ Knight, for a discussion about her experiences connected with the channeling of a 35,000 year old warrior from the lost continent of Atlantis, called Ramtha. Kni...

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the whole paper isen't about if ramtha is there or not. its about meditation. it's not even clear said if the subjects did cne or twilight for 3 minutes. all arguments concluded from rse are wild interpretations. basicly hersay. nothing is writen down that the sientist measured something unexplainab...

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the part of jz tested during channeling is not there. we discussed 'dissociation' and if its a good thing here already. as we know from resent dieings. there is no correlation between health and meditation. which is one of the sientific findings of this test. they also point out that theire findings...

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for sure i didn't find the 'scientific' conclusion rse states: ramtha is the real thing.

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Jul 13, 2011 Eighteen Month Research Project on JZ & Ramtha Released In 1996 and 1997, a team of 18 researchers studied JZ, Ramtha and the School students. Eight standardized physiological, psychological and behavioral tests were administered repeatedly on JZ and six long-time students. The scie...

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the master conection is a testamonie how a 'group'' drifts into lalaland. the whole 'cult thing' works only if you substitute familie and friends with other cult followers. what group are you talking about? you r only in this group if you accept rse in full. the fanatics drop you if you are not curr...

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thats a good one too. girl you r too late the simpsons eh sorry jz already did it: [quote]Some people want to help the community by building a youth center, creating a wildlife reserve, or housing the poor. I want to do much more than that. If I could change any one thing to benefit my environment, ...

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thats allways intresting how the ramster community swings from waiting for catastrophic worldchanging events to exchange garden and house hold tips. [quote]Whatever does not kill a plant may actually make it stronger. After being partially eaten by grazing animals, for example, some plants grow bigg...

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Go get them.

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hi tw. good that you write this stories down here. the advantage to hear jzs fear mongering in sydney is that she leaves after stating such things. and people can reevaluate their situation mean get a realety check and can think outside the tiny limited rse box. here in yelm students are continuesly...

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that must be a wife before christina.

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i know him as raymen. he is still married the christina in the article is his wife. he and her are rse students. i saw both of them on the ranch. as i understand that the 300 000$ wasn't run up income tax he tried to get them on returns. he didn't pay any of his vehicle tabs. after he got in trouble...

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you cant see the parallels? this guy is above the law. he tryed to defraud the government for over 300 thousend dollars. yes he outdid the southafrican couple. if there woulden't have been a swat team i wonder how this would have turned out. the mindset that he is right and everybody else is wrong. ...

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survivalists or this: [quote]“The Jarlik-Bells are participants in the ‘Sovereign Assemblies’ movement and consider themselves ‘sovereign citizens.’ As sovereign citizens, they believe they are not subject to some or all of the laws governing the citizens of the United States,” according to court do...

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http://yelmonline.com/articles/2011/07/ ... 328575.txt

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out of the nissqually valey news: Accused of filing fraudulent tax returns, a Yelm man and his wife were arrested by the FBI Thursday morning. FBI spokeswoman Ayn Dietrich confirmed that Raymond Leo Jarlik-Bell, 68, and Christine Jarlik-Bell were arrested by the bureau at their Trails End Drive home...

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at the end shortly before i left.jz as ramtha himself announced that there will be no wine ceremonies next year. that the school get stricter and more on learning. the private parties got more and more. there were parties in warehouses and in the new childrens school.....

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SPIRITUAL GANGSTER.
how true. do they come as a prison jumpsuit?

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"Indigo children"
interesting googel. thanks for pointing this out.

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sad grandfather: in the last year several ramsters make real fishi land deals. they sell places in ugs to finance the building. or in existing structures a place. some properties are subdivided already. without any leagel bearing contracts. so there is nothing legal other than the owner who wants th...

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quote> IE:your “family is the past” don’t let them drag you into doubting "Ramtha" or they will pull you back into “social consciousness” and away from enlightenment and the "spiritual path,,. .. leave them if you must.. this programming is the excuse not to ever question their own sh...

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adios mother thanks for the well written post. you are correct about everything. sorry that you lost your mom. marie it blows me always away that there is totally the same reaction to outsiders. ramster on youtube and your family use the same argument to ridicule your opinion: not open minded, hatef...

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only a realty check will help. the cold bastard i am, i am not concerned about people who choose to hang on ramthas robe or wanna go to the 21st universe. if they diden't get it on the 15th of june i don't know when. i am concerned about the ones unpacking their automatic weapons who see every outsi...

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we all know were jz has her materials from. of course there r aspects of her teachings which work. she diden't come up with any of it. the stageshow is partly hers. last but least its a personal achievement to have an outcome. yes if you work hard and study or be an exceptional human you deserve a g...

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i wonder when a guy like prof. green, who obviewsly studied and worked for his title get introduced to simmons, if greg has the balls to use his fictive dr.

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looking at jzs website she is buisy repairing her image.

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jzs property and the hall are uninsurable if there is smoking allowed. also its statelaw no smoking in public buildings min of 20 feet of building openings. there r successfull lawsuits from nonsmokers against smokers and probably the institution who forced them being in the same room. the grey-man ...

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love ahh, hate hmm, anger, emotions we have them all. if you don't i suspect you are dead or a cultleader trying to program me. now we judge emotions that is good they have to be in the right place. some people go so far they wanna eat only the sweet stuff in life looking very disgusted on people wh...

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i just looked into this web side there r some new videos:
http://www.freedomofmind.com

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when i left in the middle of an event i had the most incredible feeling in my solar plexus. my whole life was given back to me. i doubted this channeling charade for quite a while. and i was there to give ramtha the chance to put everything right or in perspective. there was no answer. finaly i apee...

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[quote]"I am limited by the brain of the instrument I am using at this time...[/quote]
must be out of the self help book for channelers. ' ramtha' gives the same explanation.

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[quote]we cant love in conflict...ever....conflict only creates more conflict[/quote] the whole life is conflict and handling conflicts. if it comes to a solution and solving of it that matters. and yes i judge. and i want jz knight be judged for misguiding people.the if you r not with ramtha than y...

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hate is a strong word for calling the devil by his real name. to have a strong oppinion about a subject doesen't mean i or others here r filled with hate all to the bone. i guess i disscussed years ago maybe with you? that i don't buy this all over love. isen't it a bit naive? filling up a gastank k...

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a other thing. people from cultures outside the us don't see certain discrepancies. like the thing with the accent, ramthas rhetoric tricks which get used here from many speakers, the parallels of the ramtha story to books and movies, the competitive structures of the disciplines. they stick longer ...

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[quote]i just think it is really crappy to bring so many people this way and then not provide for them...[/quote] they r here to support rse. imagine how much insurance money do they bring? do they get free events? they probably made whole families fortunes liquid and now its melting away on america...

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i understand you better now justtruth. i doubted your integrety too sorry. but as you write your timeline i understand now how you could missed the abusive parts. respect to you that you see a streaming and stand up and say: thats not ok thats not the ramtha i understood or wanna see again. i for my...

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as a kid i was impressed by my teachers by church..... later by my 1st guru and than by ramtha. well i too had good expieriences. but more out of my gullibility and nativity. nowadays i learned the word god is mostly used to manipulate cheat steal murder and rape. so god better stay out of my life, ...

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[quote]the hint he makes about how the teachings won't really be the greatest until JZ dies [/quote] so she preps rse that her story get cleared up. and only the filtered stuff gets a rerun. thats how it works. the people who criticize will be gone updated by a new flock which worship the old ones w...

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funny i recognized a thing about ramster gardeners: they are gone on events when they should put out theire seeds. when they have the time to tend finally to their gardens they have a big job of weeding which throws them back again. last but least they have mostly meager gardens. except they r rich ...

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when joe responded i had the thought: that jz is not the real danger. i dismissed this spontaneous thought as being to constructed. but with davids input i got my thoughts better lined up. yes the real danger comes from fanatic followers. yes they will carry out jzs orders. but they will be the acti...

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another thing about rse: so lets assume ramtha knows how the world goes with his superior knowledge. shouldn't there be an astonishing group of people around yelm who created a futuristic new kind of society? which is rely visible remarkable. i cant see it. there is only proof of a scam which as you...

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no wine drinking culture gobbels down the wine like ramtha. hart problems might be lesser with wine drinking. but liver enlargements or liver problems are quite common in wine producing areas. if you drink red wine for health reasons its about a glass or half a glass never about getting one full gla...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waoQc2LV ... re=related

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that's a bummer. you invest in getting tools for a extra-un-ordenary life. than you go on extra events to get skilled in using them. you spend several hours on creating your day. focus several hours on fabulous wealth just to end up in the street with no money to take care of your teeth. i once disc...

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to your point of staff posting: jz makes big contracts with their customer. in one case she got through in court with it. how do the contracts look she makes with her employs? all close employs probably get shut up with a payoff. people like simons or flick profit too much and r too involved enrichi...

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[quote]Is it just me or is anybody else amazed there weren't more posts regarding the 17 hour event Or the fact that June 15th did not happen ???? You would think people would be throwing in the towel by now and posting in droves[/quote] that is actually why i got so frustrated. and your friend just...

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i apologiesed.and again sorry. it just sounded very flaky. and i rely have problems with the good old ramtha. jz threatened her students from the beginning. she got her script developed by other people. recently she gets away with overwriting federal laws in public. she has nothing to do with studen...

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the impeccable behavior: i know a real estate women who clearly sails under the impeccable ramster flag. i know from a closed bidding were she opened envelops to give her master friends the right idea what they have to bid. her most deals she makes are as seller and buyer agent. she sends letters to...

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i still don't get this 'old ramtha' thing. around 2000 she quoted or made up oscar wilde. she danced 'in perfect rythem' she talked about nature in great splendid words. and all the same time i got screwed out of my money. i simply got guided into the trap with honey. yes its all impressive, self de...

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i am a stranger myself so i don't mind people coming or going. but to this i rely wonder who of the japanes left theire broken home. the tsunami was only on parts of the island. so you think they can establish them self here before rse goodwill is over? i now for a fact that jz places her good gestu...

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yes there is no battle anymore if you cut a drug addict off your life. anyway its the addict who NEEDS TO WIN the battle not mine or yours. you already give some exceptions [children]. so me as a husband earning most of the money should allow my now ex spouse to culture her believes with going to ev...

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[quote][He then said.. OK. BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? WHAT IF RAMTHA IS REAL< AND THE DAYS TO COME DO COME< I WILL TELL YOU I TOLD YOU SO> WHAT WILL WE DO THEN?/quote] that was a long naging thought which followed me. i left before emf. so with your documantation of the 17h stream you helped many fu...

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hi. after the summer break and now since nothing happened at the 15th of june your friend might be more open to talk to you. when ramsters are in suvival mood [during building bunkers] there is no communication possible.

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the appeal is actually the trap. yes thats the question: how could i fall for this. the appeal is what the devil promises faust. all knowledge, all experience you wish for, powers, health, money, extended life.so just like faust signs a contract with mephistopheles. you sign with jzs rse . with rse ...

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there is also a difference if a person wants to get off drugs and needs help. or they r happy high addicts who care only about getting the drug. transpose this on the ramster comunety.

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you r a great soul kl. i had to deal with some ramsters resently. what angered me is that they follow ramtha so they assume if you r not in school you have to be submissive to their agenda. that included disposition over my property. also its frustrating with what their guru gets away just resently ...

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sorry if i offended you. of course i don't know you. i came over here to be with my children to save my relationship.i was going to every possible event in the first year. saw that the money is not enough to keep everybody in rse. i lost a modest fortune. my familie broke up. my ex is still a fanati...

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my first tank: we got duck taped in the tank field. the entrance was one of several tubes. i needed a long time to get into the tank. i anyway couldn't understand let say grasp the concept.find nothingness no mapping no touch no.......when i finally got in i diden't advance very far i ended up in fr...

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sad grandfather. i rely appreciated that you come along and use your grounded wisdom when there is tap dancing around eggs in posts. there is one youngster on wide eyed cinema she he classified critic as smalmindedness or being angry. i am also astonished sometime how far the ++++thinking goes.

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i guess you can figure this out. only one retreat and you leave your familie? maybe you should look for more grounding things in your life before you try to figure out if jz chanelling or does what. trust yourself. good luck.

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[quote]i am having a hard time with the whole 'cult' thing[/quote]how do you call an organisation who gives sugestions and when you ask why you should drink anabolic water you get the answer: because the ram sais so ..we do not disscuss the ram. how do you call a peorson who ask you to take prosacc ...

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hi iamgod when and what events did you visit?

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sadly thats proof: jzr gets away with her shit. the people believe. in the master connection was a ad from a guy looking for help. left everything [his wife left him] behind to start a new live at the feet of ramtha. sells himself as an asset to ongoing projects. people like this shit. jz knights fo...

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the nissqually news diden't allow several posts of mine regarding the barrels, ugs and other survival questions. she has her people in check. for normal people its not obvious how far greg simons goes in lieing for his school. for instant the 'no close relatieves' which came up on both resent deaths...

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yes . the parallel to rse? override all signals from your body or the rest of your critical thinking to conger a fear artificially created, because a money greedy idiot tells you so and makes a lot of money with it.

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vanda got murdered on a bike trail. thei did not find a bike. i assume she did neighebourhood walk. you see many people doing this disscipline in the area. another death were only insider can speculate what happened. rse technics protecting nobody.

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finally it hits the international press that rse is a doomsday cult. jsr went too far with the 17 h life streaming. the timing is very good: the south africa story. rse denies involvement. the women in the barrel. rse gives a hollow respond. now Miviludes and the french coordinaters denies. jzr reac...

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hi delavie could you put up a link to your blog. i don't speak french and english is my 2nd language. it might be good to write my story more personal since i still life in yelm and i am more reluctant to write personal details. here its useless jz is too protected by laws. i know it is very difficu...

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again jzrs prediction was wrong. several weeks ago you could not talk to ramsters seriously they were all railed up. one excuse i heard that ramtha helps to face their fears and prepares them that they r relaxed enough to understand his teachings. that might be a point if jz wouldn't rake in money o...

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that was always puzzling to me. what a poor figure ramtha is if you measure jzr on her own rules.

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hi vanilla. you filled this board with fresh views. thanks and good luck for you two or three. don't forget this board. one important thing is to have many and out of different times witnesses. only then it gets clear that staying in rse is like treading water. same scam over and over. have fun.

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he puts the eathquakes occuring and the distance between elenin and the earth in a table. plus dept and strength. he not even shows for instant: elenin closing in= earthquakes stronger. earthquakes are random.ramtha cant see the future or predict them. you could count the no of trucks moving down a5...

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http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ramtha

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at the end of the earthquake-elenin tables there is a helpless try to get ramthas 15. june back in the game.

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that is brief and good.

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the poor cotton pickers daughter...... after what glen witnessed her own mother saying to this. i think that the biographie is a work of fiction. for what in jzs life ramtha takes revenge, i don't know. fact is there r no familie values at rse.if you make a beginner you get advised to sit not with y...

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http://hamburgeruniverse.com/artic/Comet_Elenin.html
hey here you go all scientifically founded.1 2 3 a earthquake there will be 5 6 7 you go to heaven. 8 9 10 you r one.11 12 13 you have never been.14 15 16 you are in............

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http://www.rse-newsletter.com/2011/05/w ... -teaching/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory
more siencebabel from rse. do they realy wanna state that gravity starts in your brain?

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hi joe .i started from the end of this thread. a few month ago i got over an article about positive thinking. since i always valued my negative thoughts it realy pleased me to read there that being too positive just backfires in form of underestimating or simply not acknowledging life threatening si...

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how do i get into the international forum?

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hi ockham. watched it 5 min than gave up making sense of it. first i thought you r too cruel in your evaluation. i got up in my seat expecting the big insight. but just sinking back getting sleepy from the gobbel de gook. its a classic to show people how boring a ramtha audience is heighten alert. a...

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yes man wants sex. they do a lot to get it. have jobs build houses put up with partners. women can manipulate them with sex. you can give this all the jz negative spin. or even the ghetto physic spin of pimp and hoes. ramthas views on relationships and men always reminded me of catholic priest givin...

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[quote]Ledwith claimed that the New Zealand and Japan quakes resulted from planets and the comet lining up, and more disaster would be on the way as the comet lined up with other planets. Well, if you rotate the JPL tracking tool in the third dimension, you can easily see they aren't in a line. [/qu...

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