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Why did the chicken cross the road? From the Skeptico blog, Feb 2006. JZ as Ramtha was asked, too. http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2006/02/why_did_the_chi.html Copied from above: James Randi I have a million dollar prize for the chicken if it can cross a road as it claims. It is now 225 weeks sin...

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This is an excellent article by Mary Garden who summarizes her ?guru hopping? experiences that led her from New Zealand to India. In India, she went to the ashrams of Sathya Sai Baba, Swami Balyogi Premvarni, Hare Krishnas, Vipassana meditation retreats by Goenka, Swami Chidananda of the Sivananda Y...

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UFO Sightings Neil deGrasse Tyson, an astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium in Manhattan talks about UFOs and Inept Aliens on Feb 24, 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xag3oOzvU68&feature=channel (5.27 mins) Belief versus Wrong diagnosis Neil talks about being misdiagnosed, be...

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LWO, thanks for posting Brian Dunning?s funny video. Neil deGrasse Tyson, an astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium in Manhattan, gave an entertaining talk on ?cults? and 2012 in this podcast, Feb 27, 2009: http://www.trumix.com/podshows/4340838 (4.5 mins) Here is a video of Neil on 2...

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The Family cult in Australia was in the news recently. Unfortunately, its leader, Anne Hamilton-Byrne ?remains unrepentant? and ?escaped punishment for alleged maltreatment of the children in her care?. This includes feeding LSD to the children!!! According to the 60 Minutes report in 2004, health p...

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Hello Oldone in Alaska!

Steve has A LOT to say here, on Aug 27, 2009:

http://yelm.com/ (DEAD LINK)

He is trying to avoid "egg on his face". Ramtha must have given his some tips.

JZK already has her face on an egg...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium Copied from above, about Datura stramonium under Effects: ?The physiological effects are reported to be cycloplegia and mydriasis (extreme dilation of the pupil), flushed, warm and dry skin, dry mouth, urinary retention and ileus (slowing or stopping of...

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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CULT+NEWS+SHEDS+LIGHT+ON+FRINGE+:+FROM+GARBAGE-EATING+GURUS+TO+ALIEN...-a083862904 CULT NEWS SHEDS LIGHT ON FRINGE : FROM GARBAGE-EATING GURUS TO ALIEN AVATARS, GROUPS THRIVE. By Helen O'Neill, Associated Press, 1997. Interesting article on other crazy cults such as the...

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http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900417&slug=1066975 1990 article from The Seattle Times about the transformation of Yelm due to JZK cult. David?DM, Voidgate and others from that era would remember this? Sad Grandfather, unfortunately, we would have been more productive...

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Chuckle ?DM ...

Oops, not Chuckle?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_(Bhagwan_Shree_Rajneesh) Osho died on 19 January 1990, according to above wikipedia. Copied from above: "Legacy While Osho's teachings met with strong rejection in his home country during his lifetime, there has been a sea change in Indian public opinion since ...

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http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Psych ... ssages.htm

The irony is Osho was not original?

There are also 'bladder' stories in RSE?

JZ could consider selling Depend pads $$$.

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Voidgate Since leaving RSE, I think RSE and similar I Am/New Age teachings seem to place unnecessary meaning on coincidences that can happen to people whether they are consciously aware or not. These coincidences have happened to me before, during and after RSE, with or without doing the disciplines...

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Voidgate, I like your chicken analogy and here is an interview excerpt from the chicken: Question: Why did the chicken cross the road? 1st chicken answer: To GET AWAY from RSE!!! 2nd chicken answer: I FORGOT to CREATE my day... 3rd chicken answer: I was BLINDFOLDED and NOT FOCUSED. Relationship with...

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Quote from Compassion: ?? make RSE seem like a gentle lamb.? Compassion, with all due respect to your personal life?s experiences, from your above statement, I am not sure if you really understood the ?destructiveness? or ?potential? destructiveness of RSE. From this message board, it is obvious tha...

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Compassion From what I have read, you have not been to RSE or given your power away to anything similar. If I had not been involved in RSE or a similar organization, I would not have understood this message board and its participants. Your recent posts seem to show that lack of empathy. As you were ...

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Hello, check out the first two comments by "Can" and "Belinda" in this discussion board on Facebook about JZ and What the Bleep.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5 ... topic=4738

So be it!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elg83xUZZBs (2 minutes) Dr Michael Strauss, Associate Professor of Physics from University of Oklahoma explained the limited role of the observer in reply to a question about ?What the Bleep?. http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~strauss/ "What the Bleep" seems to be anoth...

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Dove, I do wonder!

Voidgate, Erin Brockovich and the English McLibel case (Morris & Steel) come to mind.

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http://www.mastersconnection.com/index. ... -beachboys

IF only the Beach Boys really knew the truth about CSE and its ?affiliation? with RSE?

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Apart from people having the ?Jesus? tapes in their collection, here is the proof that JZ ?channeled? Jesus from RSE?s website dated Feb 10, 1997: Quote: ?Jesus Speaks In this tape, Yeshua Ben Joseph speaks through JZ's body. In a very moving speech, Jesus re - lives his crucifixion and tells the au...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE5764NI20090807?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true From above: Psychopaths have faulty brain connections, scientists find (Fri, Aug 7, 2009) ?Psychopaths who kill and rape have faulty connections between the part of the brain dealing w...

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http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,966129,00.html From above article in Time (1987), Page 4: Quote from Shirley MacLaine: ??says MacLaine? I want to turn a profit with this so I can build another center and another. I want to prove that spirituality is profitable." Could this be the reaso...

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Here is the info on the Ramtha ?virus? in Israel, summarized by Kleiner?s Korner, June 15, 2009. RSE sent its most ?contagious? teachers to Israel. http://www.kleinerskorner.com/arch.2009.06.html Copied from above: ?J. RSE announces that for the very first time, Ramtha's teachings will be coming to ...

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AD60, I used to LOVE the 23rd universe teaching as it gave me consolation from the doom and gloom of the days to come. It is another contradiction. Ramtha claimed to have taken two students that had died to his other school on the 23rd universe at their requests. From memory, the two students had th...

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Latest PRWeb release on RSE: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/08/prweb2751644.htm From above: ?Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE) (www.ramtha.com) will be visiting Israel in August as one of many stops along its Introductory Tour to expose people to the wisdom and teachings of Ramtha.? RSE cou...

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AD60, I have a collection of Ramtha Dialogues in cassette tapes and there is one called ?Change ? The days to come? 17-18 May, 1986. That could be the first time RSE became a doomsday cult, zeroxing other doomsday cults. The ?lawlessness? teaching is in the White Book (1986) in Chapter 13 called ?Th...

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Here is a toast to J.Zerox: "To 200 years or more... in prison" (Ref: Madoff)

J.Zerox can claim to be the first again!

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Gazza, this hole in the ground is not only for humans. At the Australian 2007 event with Ramtha, he mentioned that some wealthy people built undergrounds huge enough for their pets such as horses. The 7 years of food and water supplies would include supplies for pets. He warned about having dogs tha...

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Hello everyone Unbound, unfortunately, all ?advice? from dr Greg is similar, so indoctrinated with the delusional teachings of Ramtha, the barbarian from 35,000 years ago. Evidence as per his newsletters and BTO radio series. Hey, dr Greg, perhaps you could start your own cult ? just FOCUS. "No...

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This may sound ridiculous to non/ex-Ramsters but at recent events, we were advised by a few teachers if one was not wealthy, it may be helpful to borrow as much as possible from the banks to build the ?underground? in view of the pending collapse of the banking system as predicted by Ramtha. The ide...

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It is not ridiculous at all to current Ramsters? Ramtha dreamt the school 35,000 years ago, and it is now a reality. At several events, after Ramtha?s dire predictions, we were ?invited? to invest in RSE as well as being informed about the schedule in the coming months. A few new students with some ...

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http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/gregsimmons.shtml Copied from above, July 16, 2009 Quote: ?An update on the RSE Home Study Course which now has new teachings and books, and the 2010 version will have a Zip drive!? Sounds like we are going to survive 2009. Phew? June 18, 2009 Quote: ?I have great di...

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Dove, JZ/R mentioned that the bloodline of Jesus is in one of the teachers, M. How privileged? 35,000 year old Ramtha was the first man to ascend this plane plus he was also one of the Council of 13 that organized the incarnation of Jesus and his twin, Thomas. The Council of 13 were part of their so...

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Hello everyone JZ seems to LOVE her conspiracy and pseudoscience theories. When I joined RSE, I was ?sucked in? with the Professor of Theology and ex-Catholic priest, Miceal Ledwith as I had a Catholic upbringing. Plus he is Jesus? twin brother!!! What a bonus? I did not know about Miceal?s sordid p...

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Joe S., have you heard of this documentary, Bloodline? I watched it last year at an event, and the director and producer also spoke to us. http://www.ramtha.com/newsletter/Vol4/Issue7/a4.html From above: "Robb Wood, Production Coordinator for 1244 Films, LLC, who produced the movie, was so impr...

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Hello Gazza and David In two separate events last year, I heard Ramtha say that he still loves Blue Body in spite of what he did. By the way, JZ in the past, had dumped her dentist husband for Jeff Knight. I think she prefers his surname, ?Knight?. It goes well with JZ. In JZ?s book ?A State of Mind...

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Hello everyone Gazza, I forgot to mention that in Dec 2008 at the ?Return to the Campaign workshop with Ramtha in Australia?, Ramtha in closing said ?Australia will survive what is coming.? He did not mention about his prediction the year before. This event was also video streamed in Jan 2009. I hea...

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Hello Voidgate Quote: ?People do not read this message board to get enlightened. They read it to find out what goes on behind close doors on RSE. If there is no publicity they keep getting away with it.? I do not know who you are referring to with your statement. I do not intend to take sides here b...

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Here is an article about ?memes? that Diane Benscoter mentioned. "Sex, Drugs, and Cults. An evolutionary psychology perspective on why and how cult memes get a drug-like hold on people, and what might be done to mitigate the effects" By H. Keith Henson (Scientology critic) http://www.human...

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http://www.jzknight.com/download/EconomicUpdate1stQtr2009.pdf http://www.jzknight.com/ According to JZ?s paid advertisement in the local news, RSE and its students (and subsequently Yelm) are not affected by the recession. Great focus, thanks to Ramtha! :roll: I wonder why JZ is not paying her prope...

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Voidgate, have you tried asking ?The Master?s Fund? for help? I have been at events where we were asked to contribute money to the fund although the fund has not given ?evidence? of helping Ramsters in need. The fund has also not stated the criteria for eligibility. Here is the latest update on the ...

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Unbound, you are providing a great service here as Vera Stanley Alder?s books are out of print. I have seen the series at the local Theosophy library although ?From the Mundane to the Magnificent? is the only one ?missing? in that library. ?From the Mundane to the Magnificent? book seems to be the m...

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http://www.ramtha.com/newsletter/Vol5/Issue7/SP2.html#nz http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/earthquake-moves-new-zealand-closer-to-australia/article1227075/ J.Zerox knows how to make her INaccurate predictions seem "accurate". She now claims that "Ramtha" predicted that &q...

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http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ex_moonie_diane_benscoter_how_cults_think.html# (6.24) From above: ?Diane Benscoter spent five years as a "Moonie." She shares an insider's perspective on the mind of a cult member, and proposes a new way to think about today's most troubling conflicts an...

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Hello Unbound

Thank you very much for presenting Vera's works here. I look forward to your "series".

Judith deserves to be called J.Zerox!

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Hello Gazza A Ramster?s reply to your question would be: They focused and changed the timeline? In the Australian 2007 event, Ramtha also mentioned that the earth was about to make a 3 degree tilt. He predicted that Australia would move sideways to New Zealand, run into New Zealand once again and be...

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Quoted from Compassion: ?Why doesn?t she copy other tax payers?? Great question? Perhaps J.Zerox is still reading the unoriginal Fireside Series, ?The Master?s Key for Manipulating Time? in which imaginary Ramtha teaches the art of manifesting in a moment. J.Zerox thinks she does not physically have...

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Hello everyone

I used to think that JZ is a genius. I have since realized that she has not come up with anything original so she is definitely not a genius.

However, she is an excellent copier like Xerox (so reliable). Her middle initial, ?Z? is like ?Zerox?.

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Jtrl, I think JZ would have studied the successful psychics and channelers, and realize the spirituality industry can be a lucrative bu$ine$$. As you have mentioned, the methods seem basic. Add some persuasion and brainwashing techniques, and JZ/R has followers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Lamar...

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The Psychic Mafia by M. Lamar Keene (as told to Allen Spraggett) was originally published in 1976 and is out of print. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Lamar_Keene From above: ?In his book The Psychic Mafia (1976), Keene admitted that all of his psychic activities were done by fraudulent means. He re...

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Moderators, it seems that the edit function is not showing up here and other forums I've posted in.

Anyway, here is the author's website:

http://www.louisesamways.com.au/dangero ... aders.html

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Louise Samways is a psychologist in Melbourne, Australia. Her book, Dangerous Persuaders (e-book 2007) is available as a free download from her website: http://www.louisesamways.com.au/pdf/DangerousPersuaders.pdf Louise describes the mind-control techniques used by groups such as cults, personal dev...

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Joe, thank you for posting the above lecture. Here is another excellent speech by Robert Sapolsky on ?The Uniqueness of Humans?. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCVu25wQ5s Copied from above: ?On June 13, 2009, Robert Sapolsky, world renowned professor of neurology, neurological sciences, neurosurger...

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http://www.thenewstribune.com/nose/story/820520.html Another article from The News Tribune, copied from above: JZ Knight is willing to 'share' expensive antiques with you - for the right price Published: 07/24/09 ?Turns out the recession might be more widespread than we thought. It may have even rea...

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Is JZ really dead broke? http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/politics/2009/07/22/ramtha_must_be_hurtin_for_money_jz_knigh Copied from The News Tribune: Ramtha must be hurtin' for cash: The warrior's channeler, JZ Knight, is selling off her art collection and his old rugs Posted by Joe Turner @ 10:30:50 ...

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JZ is auctioning her collection in September, 2009. She seems to be liquidating some of her assets. http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=32094 Also in http://www.jzknight.com/ Copied from artdaily.org: JZ said ?After years of requests to part with my Collection, I have agreed to s...

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It is well-known that the practice of meditation or being in the trance state can be beneficial. RSE?s disciplines (although not called meditation) can induce the trance state when analytical thinking is suspended. However, researchers have reported that the meditative or trance state can also be de...

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Jtrl, her botox face on egg is only $95. Is there one of her face on a rubber duck?

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When I was a Ramster, I bought the above PR marketing spin. As part of my ?deprogramming?, I have checked out her story at the ?v-day Superlove? event. JZ is not amongst the list of speakers according to: http://www.vday.org/anniversary-events/superlove/bios (DEAD LINK) But her bio is: http://www.vd...

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Hello everyone I have contemplated on the results of the geomagnetic data. This is what I have come up with. The researchers measured the magnetic field in milligauss which is one thousandth (0.001) of a gauss. From the article 'The Ramtha Phenomenon', the earth's magnetic field (from horizontal and...

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I was looking through JZ?s book, ?A State Of Mind? (1987). In the copyright section, it is written ?The events in this story are true?. :roll: Well, here?s another discrepancy? On page 209, Judy or Mrs. Hensley (as she was called then) said to her boss: ?When I was in New Mexico, some of my workers ...

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Hello Dove Thank you for sharing your experience and having the courage to investigate and leave RSE. Also, thank you for bringing up the first red flag ie abuse from JZ/R. I hadn?t thought of it as a red flag before until you brought it up. I was in RSE for 9 years and was brainwashed into thinking...

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I have purchased the following article from British Library Direct: http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?U ... archengine The Ramtha Phenomenon: Psychological, Phenomenological, and Geomagnetic Data STANLEY KRIPPNER, IAN WICKRAM ASEKERA, JUDY WICKRAM ASEKERA, AND CHARLES W. WINSTEAD, III The Journa...

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Advertisement of JZ?s latest talk on her life on the other side: http://ramtha.com/email/07-10-09_JZAssay/online.html If life on the other side was that extraordinary, I wonder why she doesn?t just disappear to the other side? I now consider JZ a fantasy storyteller although she sells her stories as...

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Michael Shermer: Why people believe strange things http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_jwq9ph8k I wonder what would happen if Michael Shermer went to RSE??? Copied from: http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-05-12 Michael Shermer: "In my case, lecturing on pseudoscience and the paranormal, I am almo...

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EMF Webmaster and moderators, thank you for explaining the terms and conditions of posting. Unbound, with Ramtha?s teachings, students that questioned are told they have DOUBT which is a hindrance to their ability to experience the philosophy. They are discouraged from questioning as this is seen as...

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Joe I attended an intro event in 2005 with JZ appearing LIVE. She said she was NOT happy that she left behind the cobwebs in her house cleaning procedure. She had prided on being a spotless housewife. Ramtha has confirmed that he uses the lower cerebellum or reptilian part of her brain. :shock: The ...

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Happy 4th July!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU Excellent first video from The Richard Dawkins Foundation TV. Copied from above: "With a sea of information coming at us from all directions, how do we sift out the misinformation and bogus claims, and get to the truth? Michael Sherme...

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Interesting ... http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=880 Copied from above: Prosecutors demand end of Scientology June 16, 2009 THE Church of Scientology in France should be dissolved due to alleged fraudulent activities, the Paris public prosecution service has demanded. The demand h...

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My husband & I were both non-drinkers and non-smokers before RSE. In hindsight, the ?wine & pipe smoking ceremony? is such a red flag. I used to dread those wine ceremonies. It depended on who your partner was and sometimes their behavior got worse as more wine was consumed. It would be help...

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Article: Ramtha?s School of ?Enlightenment?? Wine, Tobacco & Prozac Consciousness Raising or Mind Control? By Rick Martin. 7/27/2000 Taken from The Spectrum, Volume 2, Number 3, August 1, 2000 (Pages 1, 17 to 33) http://www.rigoroushonesty.net/siterun_data/spectrum/volume2/pdf/080100.PDF (DEAD L...

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Hello Leemar You are absolutely right. I was so deluded into thinking that I was studying 'quantum physics' at the school of 'enlightenment'. Magic fairy dust for sale, too. I was only studying JZ's 'copied crap' and her paranoia. You don't have to feel sorry for me. Not that you are, anyway... Yes,...

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Littlewiseone I have not spoken much about RSE with my old friends and certainly not to new friends. Most of the few friends that I?ve chosen to talk about my cult experience, have been insensitive and have made similar comments as ?Leemar? to Voidgate/EMF. I haven?t even told them the full story ye...

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David and Moderators I do not know the history of the people that were previously banned from EMF. To be fair to those that were banned from posting, on what grounds were they banned? What sort of behavior is banned on EMF? How many warnings does one get before being banned? I hope you do not mind m...

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David and Moderators I do not think that Leemar and Wisewoman are supportive of the purpose of EMF. They are of NO benefit to anyone here seeking information or recovering from RSE. Leemar and Wisewoman are free to think what they want but their opinions here do NOT serve anyone that is questioning ...

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JZ?s behavior seems typical of a ?money hungry psychopath?. A student?s journey in Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment equals ?enlightening? the pockets to JZK. There is NO real enlightenment in RSE. It is the great deception and illusion. One only has to observe the actions of JZ or her fictional char...

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JZK is selling one-hour session with Ramtha again so that she can build a new outdoor shower facility in Yelm. I thought RSE was already wealthy from proceeds from other auctions, sales from Quantum Caf? and fees from students attending the events. JZ is also selling the music in the background. Wha...

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Unbound Thank you for sharing your letter. I hope it also knocks Judith?s socks off! It?s great that you have the opportunity to inform Judith (or staff) of your concerns while she?s still alive (unlike Ron Hubbard), and doesn?t have Alzheimer?s disease (unlike Elizabeth Clare Prophet). It may be un...

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Journeythroughramthaland,

Thank you for the info on the book.

I'll be purchasing it.

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Wisewoman can help Sylvia Browne find James Randi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesamjLN ... ure=fvsre2 (1:42 mins)

The $1 million dollar challenge will end on March 6, 2010.

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Richard Dawkins Visits the Alternative Health Fair (1:41 min):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRiBk4loxgk

This video has a great message from Richard Dawkins, an ethologist and biologist. It?s delivered at the end after the credits.

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Ex, no, I had my blinders on.

I can also remote view some of the playing cards and roulette. I have yet to demonstrate telekinesis.

BTW, I'm happy to accept donations like Kenny. If you would like to donate to my 'supposed ability', please let David or the Moderators know. They have my email.

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Kenny Thompson, RSE's first Master of the Cards (Henry Sugar) has demonstrated his remote view ability via playing cards and roulette. He has also shown his ability on telekinesis by moving the poker chips. The proof is in the video of RSE's remarkable students (above). In his 'spin-geek' website be...

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Here?s the fabulous ad for Ramtha?s Stage Rug. http://www.rse-auctions.com/detail.asp?id=20 Copied from above: "DESCRIPTION Rug Description: Copy of Indian palace antique rug in Agra Rug dimensions: 18 ft by 26 ft-8 in. Origin: On stage since summer of 2000 Starting bid: $15,000 Ramtha?s stage ...

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Wisewoman, you mentioned about your out of body experience with the death of David Carradine. Instead of bragging about having another one of those out of body experiences, why didn?t you warn the actor about his impending death? What?s the point of having this extraordinary ability that you claim i...

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Wisewoman, you have made extraordinary claims on EMF about your superhuman abilities, some of which you have had before meeting Ramtha. You haven?t produced any evidence even though you have been asked numerous times. Without providing evidence, you are merely vexatious on EMF. Your behavior is typi...

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Wisewoman, your post on the trance state and out of body experience is indicative of the adverse effects of prolonged periods of stilling the mind. Have you contacted FBI to inform them of your (yet to be proven) claims about David Carradine?s death? It is a serious matter. The ?state of your mind? ...

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Wisewoman, I'm sorry if I showed you the 'exit'. David has welcomed your stay in the 'Current RSE Students Debate Forum' and I respect his and the Moderators' decision.

Please send my best wishes to JZ. I do wish her well and would love to chat with her soon.

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Littlewiseone, thanks for the clarification. I thought the preservatives and sugars would make one 'nutty' as well.

About the wrapper, you might be giving ideas to JZ/Ramtha. That would be the next teaching on 'self-preservation'.

P.S. Will go find some Twinkies and Coke ...

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David, I think Wisewoman is lost. She hasn't found the right forum for her posts. Wisewoman, please remove your blinders. Here's the link again: http://www.mastersconnection.com/ When you see your friend, JZ, please inform her that I would LOVE to have a chat with her, not Ramtha. I think she will r...

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CD, wow, it's enlightening! http://peacesecurity.suite101.com/article.cfm/twinkie_defence Copied from above link: "...he underwent a 180-degree turn since quitting his job, becoming withdrawn from his family and binging on junk food, including Twinkies and Coca-Cola." Remember Ramtha, the ...

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Wisewoman, I 'allow' you to continue with your 'Ramtha delusion'.

Perhaps you are in the wrong forum. You should be posting in the Masters connection forum where you and your comrades can 'focus' to make the world a better place.

Here's the link: http://www.mastersconnection.com/

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Wisewoman, your post is an indication of the adverse effects of prolonged stilling of the mind. I empathize with your 'belief' in your own experiences. I'm not even going to ask for your so called scientific evidence of the out of body experience. I have more than enough references from the reputabl...

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Ex, I'm disappointed as I thought Ramtha, the great barbarian was the originator of the Twinkie theory. You know, it was only a few years ago that he recommended we all bought Twinkies and stuff our face with the preservative in Twinkies ie Sorbic acid. Is that what happened to JZ??? Maybe it's not ...

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Hello everyone Thank you so much for your support. It is greatly appreciated. It has been more than 2.5 months since my last RSE drink. I think I?m sober? When I started posting, I did not intend to leave RSE and was looking forward to my next event. I was enquiring about the discrepancies and wonde...

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Hello EMF

Keep up the excellent work. I haven't found a more organized message board than this.

Unbound, you are doing a great job!

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Joe, thank you again for the review. I didn't know you contributed to the book.

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Joe, thanks for the info.

G2G, hope you managed to cancel the order.

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Unbound, thanks for the info. JZ was reinforcing the delusions of the sociopathic Ramtha students. http://www.ramtha.com/email/06-16-09_Stream/online.html I just got an email about the replay of this ?important? event as a video streaming to current students around the world so no one misses out. I?...

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Snapping: America?s Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change Updated and Expanded 2nd Edition (2005) by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman http://books.google.com/books?id=jrkq7s2i12EC&printsec=frontcover&dq=snapping#PPA139,M1 I found the above book preview online and notice it mentions RSE in these ...

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Here's the article (Pages 50 to 63) on the 'scientific' study of JZ Knight/Ramtha & 6 students. The Parapsychological Association Conference in 1998. James Flick was not one of the students tested in this study. INTERESTING reading! It has taken me 9 years to find this article, 'Oh my heck!' ;-)...

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G2G, maybe you can do a 'chapter review' of the section on RSE. I wonder where the authors got their information from. Hopefully not from Gordon Melton as he was mentioned in the book.

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I came across this book, Cults and New Religions (published in 2007) online so haven?t read it yet. It?s interesting that the book even mentions RSE. RSE must be a DANGEROUS CULT ? http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1405161272,descCd-tableOfContents.html Copied from above link under ...

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G2G and Oldone, GS may consider your suggestions and there would probably be students bidding for ?that?. RSE recycles everything for a profit and nothing is wasted. That includes Botox. I watched the live video streaming of the Nov 2008 Follow-up - Evening with Ramtha. Ramtha mentioned that the sta...

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G2G, I heard that the ?flatulence? trick during C & E may help if one was focusing on levitation. The hydrogen sulphide odor is an indication that one has travelled into the Infrared realm according to Ramtha and students that have experienced this frequency. This is a fact from Ramtha. Furtherm...

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G2G, there are SO many discrepancies. Does this sound suspiciously like a person that is delusional? http://premedicaluniversity.com/psychiatry-glossary/ From the above link under ?General disturbances?, on a Sunday afternoon in Feb 1977, there is a possibility that JZ could have a delusion of contr...

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Yes, this is real. A few years ago, our friend in Yelm told us about it as he wanted to buy us a piece of the AstroTurf as a 'present'. We declined politely because it will cost us a small fortune to get it detoxified. So much for being frequency specific... Remember it's a cult of profit maximizati...

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http://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha26.html I was reading the above article by Keri Brenner from The Olympian, Jan 27, 2008. It?s obvious from the comments that JZ and her comrades are ?master? manipulators and liars. Copied from the above article: "In March 2007, McCarthy and others...

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Oldone, I found an article that mentions the ?trailer?. http://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha26.html or http://www.theolympian.com/689/story/339950-p3.html Taken from The Olympian, Jan 27, 2008 by Keri Brenner ?Born Judith Darlene Hampton in Roswell, N.M., in March 1946, Judy Zebra Knight ...

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Hello Voidgate For your information, I found the following that would be of interest to you: http://www.ramtha.com/html/aboutus/faqs/school/school-religion.stm Copied from the above RSE website: ?About Us Is it a school or a religion? According to JZ Knight, "The Ramtha School of Enlightenment,...

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Here?s an excellent book called ?400 Years of Imaginary Friends ? A Journey into the World of Adepts, Masters, Ascended Masters, and their Messengers? by Kenneth Paolini and Talita Paolini. The authors wrote on Page 13 (Preface): ?Thirteen years of research, meticulous compilation of source material...

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Here?s a scientific article called Psychobiology of Altered States of Consciousness from Psychological Bulletin 2005, Vol. 131, No. 1, 98 ? 127 (obtained from the American Psychological Association). The article explains some of the experiences of RSE students plus disciplines such as C & E. Thi...

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Hi Jay

Thank you.

Cheers ... (Beer)

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Sad grandfather, there is still hope. Manganiello sued JZ and won (see below). The truth does prevail sometimes. Copied from John Crutcher's article: http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=991&highlight=crutcher#991 "In 1982, a psychologist named Dr. Jamei...

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I've viewed these videos on Scientology over 2 days. The first one is: The Bridge movie from: http://www.scientomogy.com/the_bridge.php Wikipedia on the movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_(Scientology_film) The second one is produced recently (very long) : http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/...

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Hello Wisewoman again You seem to be of interest on EMF. :-) No questions and no sarcasm here ?. (for a change). I would like you to know that I?ve had similar thoughts as you about LARSE/EMF before I left RSE teachings. I also had similar thoughts about Jeff Knight and other ?victims? of RSE. I was...

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Hi there At a recent event, Ramtha said that the channel?s face is exactly what he wanted. He emphasized that he is very happy with JZ?s face and is the face he wants to channel through. So says the old man! Good on you Ramtha for standing up for JZ. Oldone, Michael Jackson is a GREAT dancer though....

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Wisewoman?s relationship with Ramtha and out of body experience Hello Wisewoman It?s Caterpillar again. :-) Apart from my long letter to you earlier, I have some more questions for you. I?m really intrigued by your post about Ramtha and the out of body experience below: http://www.enlightenmefree.co...

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Wisewoman or shall I call you Wonderwoman? Thank you for posting about all your wonderful healing and manifesting abilities. They are indeed awesome! Just a friendly reminder that I?ve asked you several questions that you haven?t answered. Moderators, I hope you don?t mind me asking Wisewoman again ...

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Wisewoman, you say RSE is not a cult or a scam but you haven?t given the reasons for your statement. Therefore we conclude that is your opinion and not a statement of fact. Further, by saying it is not a cult implies you must know what a cult is, so that you can say what it is not. What is your defi...

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Wisewoman posted: "I taught a small class of children "Quantum Physics and Spirituality" for two hours and showed them how to generate a 'field' and direct energy (love) into that 'field' which would result in healing, peace, comfort, happiness, or any other intended goal." Wisew...

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Wisewoman posted: ?I have a background in sales and marketing.? ?I am a qualified health professional.? ?I became an expert on it following my own personal experience.? Wisewoman, may I clarify your definition of a ?qualified health professional?? What are your credentials? Did you study a health re...

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Wisewoman, thank you for your 'advice' although not asked. I used to think like you when I was browsing through EMF although I didn't post those thoughts. I note that EMF is NOT a place for RSE supporters as stated on the home page. May I kindly remind you that the purpose of EMF is this, copied fro...

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Check this out. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/katie_lee/blog/2009/05/29/wikipedia_bars_the_church_of_scientology Copied from the above: Wikipedia bars the Church of Scientology Posted By: Katie Lee at May 29, 2009 at 18:26:18 [General] Posted in: Technology Tags:Scientology, Wikipedia They've been to...

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Without knowing a person?s full medical and medication history, there could be a potential for disease and medication interactions by just simply purchasing a ?promoted? product off the shelf no matter how ?safe? the promoters may claim. I think only a qualified medical professional specializing in ...

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JZ should be taken to court for promoting all kinds of snake oil and prescription only medicines. JZ/Ramtha promotes the prescription only SSRI, Prozac which has possible interactions and adverse effects and is not suitable for everyone in RSE. I attended a Beginners event this year and RSE showed t...

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I had a look at Erin Prophet's website: http://www.prophetsdaughter.com/

In the 'Photos' section, the stage for the CUT events looks SO similar to RSE.

JZ, SEE YOU IN COURT ...

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Thanks everyone for the interesting info here. I got the impression from Sean Prophet?s interview that his mum, Elizabeth believes in her ?imaginary friends? and their teachings. Sean thinks she made it up. From Joe?s post, Erin mentioned that her mum has epilepsy from an early age and was also on m...

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David, thanks for the video link. This is GREAT news. The Scientology spokesperson, Daniele Gounard in the video said ?anyone unhappy with the teachings can get a full refund?. How true is that??? I found this article about Scientology?s history in France. http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_art...

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It may be more appropriate for people to be consulting a qualified health professional that specializes in heavy metal poisoning rather than self-treating themselves.

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It is ?shocking? what gets taught at CSE. CSE says it has ?no official affiliation? with RSE. http://www.cseinfo.com/pdf/newsletters/2009/4/10/CSE%20Newsletter%20April%2010th%202009.pdf Copied from above CSE April 10, 2009 newsletter: ?Last Thursday and Friday, Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment teach...

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RSE is definitely a SCAM but it also shuts down the brain?s ability to critically think while immersed in its recycled teachings. There is a website called Masters Connection for RSE students and friends. http://www.mastersconnection.com/forum2/view_forum.php?id=22&p=1 The two pages from the abo...

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Sad grandfather, I?ve just found this article dated Sep 30, 1992 about the initial court case. This article shows that Judith is a liar as we know the truth about Jeff Knight and Ramtha?s teachings. She also hired a better manipulative lawyer. For RSE supporters, the notion of the court ruling that ...

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Sad grandfather, am I talking to myself again? After learning from Joe S?s talk at LARSE and articles about JZ?s copying her teachings from various sources, I?ve actually found some evidence of this in her old recommended readings and books she sold in 1996. There is an internet archive website that...

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Hi all The following is copied from an old RSE website (Dec 2000). http://web.archive.org/web/20001209072100/www.ramtha.com/html/aboutus/about-jz.stm 1992-1993: The reopening of JZ Knight's divorce to Jeffrey Knight's case built up a great deal of media coverage and controversy surrounding Ramtha an...

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G2G, there has been less C & G. The Blue College Feb 2008 event where many students became ill from ?blowing? germs everywhere must have taught RSE a lesson. At my last ?current student? event, C & G was a shorter session with an opportunity to lie down and have a nap in between hissing. Can...

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The show from last week with Judith and others is repeated. Here's the link: http://www.ramtha.com/email/05-22-09_ReAirCnn/online.html Larry is running out of guests so he has to repeat shows. Just a suggestion. How about EMF contacting Larry to 'show and tell'? I think EMF has enough material to ha...

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I understand now why other people used to laugh at us when we did the very noisy C & G with the HISSING sound and saliva spitting everywhere (with garlic breath). Plus doing the Blue Body moves on the dance floor in the discotheque. The worse is that 'So Be It' hand gesture that was made everyti...

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Hi everyone I was wondering if prolonged periods of being in the ?trance? state was harmful. I found an answer in this article. http://www.cultnews.com/?p=2346 ?Among Falun Dafa?s many questionable mind-altering practices, this command to ?stop thinking? and continuously ?recite the Master?s teachin...

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QuestionGirl, I'm SO glad you picked that up, too. I've posted about the discrepancy in this link and I'll copy here what I wrote. The most accurate date is on an old RSE website Feb 20, 1977 which is actually Sunday. http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/phpBB-2.0.22/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=722&...

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The Council of 13 has recently awarded R.S.E. (Real Sociopathic Education) three prestigious awards: Recycling*, Patenting/Copyrighting# and Alcoholic^ awards. Judith Zebra Chicken Knight, the President of R.S.E. was honored to receive these awards at a Wine Ceremony. She thanked Ramtha, the Barbari...

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Hello everyone! Bonjour Oldone! Quantum theory of Ramtha, the Barbarian states that ?there is NO difference between a fish, a washing machine, a horse, a chicken, a zebra and JZ Knight.? This is because they all originated from Point Zero. Revised acronyms: R.S.E. = REAL SOCIOPATHIC EDUCATION C.S.E....

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Here is one example (out of many) of the psychopathic behavior of Judith and the students. I was not at this event but I heard from other students who were present at this wine ceremony event where a student died, supposedly of a heart attack. Ramtha continued teaching and the students continued to ...

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This is how Judith thinks. Check out Chapter 13, ?The Lawlessness of Life? in the White Book, Ramtha 1986 edition. On page 126, a student asks: ?So you don?t even think that killing someone is evil? Ramtha: That is correct.? Student: ?So you?re saying that even murder is not wrong or evil. Ramtha: T...

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Hello everyone! Bonjour Oldone! I finally understand the behavior of some RSE students ... Judith?s own creation, Ramtha was a psychopath. Barbarian indeed as was termed or was called by Ramtha as it was. (I?m channeling here). Indeed! Judith/Ramtha has said that Ramtha had no remorse/conscience for...

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Bonsoir Oldone! JZ gave a teaching in 2006 about her first Larry King experience. You asked why Larry invited her back. This is the reason. JZ claimed that Larry was looking at her ?bosom? and she said she was a 60 year old woman and Larry was ?perving? on her. So she claimed, whether real or imagin...

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I've just watched these 2 videos and they are FANTASTIC! If you've made the decision to leave RSE or have left and are going through the aftermath, this is really helpful. Madeleine Tobias was in a number of cults and talks from personal experience as well as being a counselor. It's worth watching. ...

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This is taken from http://www.jzknight.com/2009/05/jz-knight-on-cnns-larry-king-show/ 'JZ Knight will appear with distinguished guests this Saturday, May 16th on a panel discussion led by ?James Van Praagh! He says the dead can teach us about life. Learn how when he tells Larry what the spirits are ...

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Hello everyone Oldone, the Neighborhood Walk is a discipline created by JZ in 2003 when she ?cured? herself of emphysema and stopped smoking then. (Ramtha is now back to smoking...) But she did not produce any proof of the cure of emphysema. James F. and the doctor were supposed to be her ?witnesses...

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This is of interest to students that wonder why the disciplines don?t work. When I was a fanatical student, I was very disappointed when I found out that JZ could not even heal herself with the disciplines she created! Here?s the article from the Children?s School of Excellence Newsletter, May 16, 2...

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Here's an excellent article about the warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader and people involved with such a group/leader. http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html RSE PASSED the test of an unsafe leader/group. EMF did NOT pass the test as an unsafe group/leader. I had to put EMF to the...

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I watched the movie, Leap of Faith yesterday. It was recommended by Whatcha in another post. Excellent movie! Here's the Plot Summary and James Randi connection from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_of_Faith_(film) "Plot Summary Jonas Nightengale is a fraudulent Christian faith healer who make...

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Taken from http://www.ramtha.com/html/mastersfund/ "I have asked for them [Fred and Sherrie Loertscher] to evolve that which is termed a trust account. I have asked and will ask for every master to contribute five of your dollars to this account. It is the account of the masters. It is to help ...

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There's one more of Judith's favorite books:

The Unseen Hand - An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History by A. Ralph Epperson

Any truth in this?

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After the post by Joe about Baird Spalding, I?m ?wondering? about the validity of other recommended readings by RSE. Does anyone have information on the validity of these books that form the teachings of RSE? Obviously, Judith copied from them. There are more books but I?m only listing the main ones...

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I just found an older email from JZ Rose dated 02/07/09. She changed a few timelines before being left with just one store in Yelm. But of course, she knew this was going to happen because she travels to the future all the time. http://www.jz-rose.com/Emailers/02-07-09_move/online.html The words &qu...

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Quote from Joe: "From everything I read about him and this book confirms it, I think he was a highly functional schizophrenic who may have been hospitalized for mental illness only once for a month or so." With the above in mind, I have a hypothetical question: How many of you would have j...

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Quote from Joe: "From everything I read about him and this book confirms it, I think he was a highly functional schizophrenic who may have been hospitalized for mental illness only once for a month or so." How true! Reading 'Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East' (recommended re...

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Interesting to see "Ramtha" amongst the sponsors of The Nisqually Valley's Home, Garden and Trade show.

http://www.nisquallyhomeshow.com/

Beats me why "Ramtha" didn't choose the GOLD sponsorship.

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Hello Sad Grandfather Thanks for your post. I don't mind talking to myself sometimes ... as long as it's not to a 35,000 year old entity or the wind. :shock: Yes, you are a 'bad' influence to your Grandson from his perspective. My closest RSE friend is not talking to me as she did not want me to 'co...

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Hello DreamWeaver I've also posted about this in another thread. Here's my post: "There's a 'new' Evening with Ramtha 05/01 - The Continuance: State of Consciousness. http://www.ramtha.com/html/events/current_2009.stm I think it's the continuance of being mind controlled by RSE. This is video s...

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Did you know that Carl Sagan and others challenged JZ Knight and other channelers to prove their claims? Of course, Judith did not take up the challenge. Here's the article: http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys2/csicpcon.htm Judith's reply from the article: 'In a statement issued by spokesman Les Sinclai...

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The following observation of JZ on Merv Griffin Show is taken from Past Deadline by Ray Richmond. http://www.pastdeadline.com/2007/08/my-favorite-and.html 'It was time for J.Z. Knight to come out. Merv introduces her. The crowd, all evidently Ramtha-ites, gave her a raucous standing ovation. As she ...

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There's a 'new' Evening with Ramtha 05/01 - The Continuance: State of Consciousness. http://www.ramtha.com/html/events/current_2009.stm I think it's the continuance of being mind controlled by RSE. This is video streamed live to all current students around the world so NO ONE misses out. Also a new ...

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In JZ Rose website, at the right-hand bottom, Judith has a picture of the Robb Report with the words 'Featured in The Robb Report Fine Antiques & Furniture'. http://www.jz-rose.com/More_Shops I bought that Robb Report May 2006 edition (same front cover) as I was interested to read up about her s...

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I found the answer in my research why she's going out of business.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/jz-rose-bellevue

Who wears $97 thong? Only a 35,000 year old being...

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News flash... JZ Rose has moved to a new timeline - She's down to one store only! The Bellevue Store has simply vanished.

Here's a link to JZ Rose's latest email:

http://www.jz-rose.com/Emailers/04-22-0 ... mpark.html

Just in time to sell Mother's Day gifts!

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Hello Chris I had the same concerns about RSE and the two things you mentioned kept me in RSE for 9 years! I only decided to exit from RSE two weeks ago. In answer to Question one about the scientific study. It was not a true scientific study. Check out Carroll Cobb's brilliant speech at LARSE meeti...

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I've to admit that when I was browsing through EMF in the past, I often wondered why the people here 'wasted their time' posting about RSE when they have already left the school. Why rehash the past? I used to think they could never discourage anyone from joining RSE or change current students minds...

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G2G, I heard Greg S. tell the Avon story in 2006 about Salma. She wanted a new adventure and got the Avon contract due to 'gridding'. She wasn't too thrilled at first about Avon but was happy after she researched the company and discovered they were the sort of company she would like to represent. A...

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I found this recently posted expose video on you tube on What the Bleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlPiXNlhKFo Re: the previous posts, sounds like I won't be getting a reply if I asked RSE about their discrepancies. I was quite tempted to. I haven't seen the video interview with Les Sinclair. W...

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Whatcha, I'm on a mission to debunk Ramtha. :-) It would be harder to leave the longer one stays in a cult. We got out! I may find more discrepancies in 'A State of Mind' when I examine it with a fine tooth comb. Another thought after watching Derren Brown. The initials J.Z. subconsciously also mean...

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Sad Grandfather, thank you for your thoughts. Since RSE experience, I'm definitely NOT trying another religion. FYI, I was born and bred as a Catholic before I found theosophy err RSE, now that I know what RSE is about. The only 'group' I'm in is EMF as I find it therapeutic in processing the afterm...

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While searching for the book, 400 years of imaginary friends, I come across this website by Sean Prophet (Elizabeth Prophet's son): http://www.blacksunjournal.com/about He started another website called Atheism Online. Sean also mentioned an 'imposter' website by a former CUT member. Joe, there are ...

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This is strange. The links don't work since I've posted here. The two videos on youtube don't work either but other videos on youtube work.

Hmmm...

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P.S.

Link to JZ on Merv Griffin show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK14JfRiNQ4

Link to 'A Look Within' video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yDssY6U5A

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Just discovered something INTERESTING! Judith on Merv Griffin show in 1985 mentioned that Ramtha appeared to her on a Sunday afternoon on Feb 18, 1977. (Feb 18, 1977 is actually Friday!) In the old 'A Look Within' video from RSE, the date Ramtha appeared to Judith is Sunday afternoon but on Feb 7, 1...

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I just watched JZK/R on Merv Griffin show (1985) for the first time. JZ was such a bad actress. Ramtha looked so fake. Derren Brown would have done a better job. I'm also watching some of his videos. This is part of my deprogramming process.

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AD, I just realized some of the ways RSE uses mind control tactics. The wine ceremony is a great way to suspend critical thinking and absorb everything that Ramtha says. You don't think when you are drunk. All in the disguise of dropping the veil and suspending the personality. Anyone that objects t...

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I just thought of another reason why I stayed in RSE. Ramtha gave his legacy teachings (final teachings during his time) around 2003 (?) and there was an assumption that he was leaving. JZ also mentioned that she was choosing to die and reincarnating in Africa during that time. There was no way I wa...

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P.S. I was led to believe that the teachings were original so whenever I read any of the recommended readings or the scientific breakthroughs, that confirmed to me that Ramtha was right. I had no idea that IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. JZ/R copied those books and scientists. She was an avid reader acc...

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Just a footnote, I have often forgotten about the psychic's warning about RSE before I joined. He never experienced RSE and only told me his friend's story. I didn't pay much attention to his warning as he did not personally join RSE. Before I joined RSE, I questioned my 'friends' who had been in RS...

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Sad Grandfather, it is frustrating to watch your family's life being destroyed by RSE. I can understand why your son-in-law is moving to Yelm. He loves his family and wants to be with them. That's the best he can do at the moment as his wife is not going to leave RSE or Yelm. As AD said, moving to Y...

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This is my theory. There has to be other people involved in this deception. Judith's other best friend, Linda E is hired to give her acting lessons ie personal acting coach. That's why she always got to the Void. Greg S. is hired as the master marketing guru and he perpetuates the deception. He know...

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Hello Sad Grandfather and Marie It is heartbreaking to lose your family to RSE. You cannot understand how they ended up in RSE and why they continue to stay there. What do they see in Ramtha/JZ and the teachings? Are they benefiting from it? Will they ever get out? Here's my story on why I stayed fo...

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Whatcha Yup, 4000 feet! Who is going to survive? I was also at the event where JZ requested we watched video clips about the bird flu and then we were told to do the walk so that we survived it all. Remember the C & E where 'Ram' takes you to the future - awesome ... :lol: I never knew FEAR unti...

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It's ALL about preparing for 2012 in RSE! The last height in tidal wave was 4000 foot wave predicted in Assay 2008 by the Ram. That's why I made a joke in another post about a 12,000 foot wave. Who is going to survive? Check this recent interview with JZ about TDTC: http://www.gtweekly.com/200807302...

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California Dreamin' , I asked this question on Page 1 of this thread and Whatcha replied: Quote: 'QUESTION: -Does RSE have shareholders - nothing more has been said since the initial email. Only the rich in the school could afford but isn't it only a handful? Same with the auctions. Who has the mone...

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AD60, as per my previous posts, all I wanted to say is that Tree was my 'runner' :shock: in exiting RSE. I haven't actually paid much attention to Tree's behavior on EMF as I have only read the posts that were relevant to me and she answered my questions without abuse. I have been to some events tha...

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As seen in infra-red now ...

Mickey M.

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P.S. JZ will exit RSE in 2012 before the 12,000 foot wave but the investors/inner circle will try to manage the school with the Wind if it's still standing. This is channelled information from Mickey Mouse.

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No problems, Webmaster and I've also posted a reply to 'Abuse on EMF'. I've been questioning myself as to how I ended up in RSE and stayed for so long. There's a part of me that wants to believe that Ramtha is real. I figured it's the same part of me that wants to believe in Santa Claus, tooth fairy...

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Hello David, Tree and Moderators I don't mean to get involved in the 'politics' here. I understand that this sort of conflict can occur even on EMF as we have different personalities and opinions. It's worse as the written words can covey a different meaning as opposed to a face to face or phone con...

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Hello everyone Thank you for all your posts. Tree and David, I note there is some conflict here. I hope there will be a resolution. I read some of Tree's posts and was very touched by her honesty and courage to speak up especially being an ex-staff. That gave me the courage to explore my own dissati...

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Thank you everyone for the contribution here. Will look for the book. Want to read it myself.

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[/quote] jz, of course, has had them all, including her children and J. O. sign little pieces of paper that state they will never talk about her until 25 years after her death. [/quote] Tree, who's J.O.? JZ is clever to sell shares in RSE. It doesn't matter anymore if Ramtha is real or not. The inne...

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Thanks for all your input. Marie, I agree that it probably doesn't matter where JZ got her material. It's interesting that your mother and sister still went to RSE as confirmation of what they already knew. However, my partner & I got hooked into RSE because we haven't heard the info before and ...

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Maybe Terry was studying the 'competition' as RSE became popular. Also, an opportunity to recruit new students. Whatcha mentioned that Terry's book was sold at RSE so JZ was well-aware of her. They must be learning from each other.

Oldone, the bedroom ...

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Whatcha, is that cult movie a true story or fictional? I tried to google it but haven't found it yet.

My partner is reading a book called Influence - the Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini. It explains the psychology of why people say 'yes' and how to apply these understandings - RSE...

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