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HPP, can we make a list of all the variables? such as, were the cards always put in 1 or 2 or 3, or certain general areas; on fences, on 1 fence; are the people that find their cards familiar with that particular territory of the grounds (we all have muscle memory for distances we've crossed before,...

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Gulp!!!

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HPP, Perhaps I am short-sighted on what really matters. With your insights, I am now seeing all the time these people spent on their disciplines and everything else the school has them do --- all of that time, being unavailable to their loved ones. You have mentioned something here that I feel is im...

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ROLF!!!

Great site, I love the commentary!

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Tree,

They don't have to worry about the casinos, They should pay attention and apply for Randi's million dollars that he offers to anyone who can demonstrate such prowness. They better hurry though, he is stopping the offer in 2010!!!

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I tell you, those invisible bars came unshackled right there in Arizona. I will NEVER forget it.

Your whole description is so moving and real.

When it happens, it does seem instantaneous no? An amazing process.

Thank you.

PS
I vote for stickiness

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Hi Humble,

I saw the vid before it is hilarious! When I tried to view the bendoverministries I didn't get to the page. can you tell me how you did it?
thanks

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I was at an art opening the other night here in LA. There were a few very hot chicks (my sexism showing through). They were very engaging with me and while I was wiping the drool from my mouth, that little voice in side that I was squishing down as hard as I could kept repeating the mantra "thi...

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So the Master becomes the pusher and pimp and gladys the whore and addict albeit a happy one?

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Wake up, A point of clarity... I don't think the focus of a spiritual growth community should be money. It is however necessary in today's culture. But sheesh, if they're going to get money-focused, at least show some savvy and genius about it. I understand what you are saying however, I would tend ...

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P.S. One of the statistics revealed by the study done at RSE of JZ and a group of "advanced" students Greg Simmons included, was that on average they were 3 times higher on a dissociative states then the general public. If I remember correctly, JZ had the highest level. The people doing th...

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Lost, I think there are two separate topics here - past life regression as therapy, yes, does involve hypnosis, but that is not the same as disassociation, which to me appears to mean an out of body experience - or entering an altered state of consciousness, whereas hypnosis in a therapeutic setting...

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Lost, Yes I agree with you that past life regression has been shown in some cases to be an effective form of therapy, especially where conventional therapies had failed. However, again, virtually all of these types of cases are of those with pathologies like I mentioned or phobias. Most of the thera...

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Hi Lost I S, "I see no reason to discount the possibility of reincarnation, just as I attempt to keep an open mind about the tenets of other people's cherished beliefs or religions as a general rule - and, just because some possibly "alternative" or "out there" people are, a...

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Hi Joe, How's it goin'? Hunter's book is excellent reading, especially when viewed through the prism of being a strategicly placed journalist as well as a CIA propaganda operative. In the context of the times, it was important to rally the troops against the "Red Menace" He might have said...

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" I still remember how elated I felt at one event when Ramtha said "once you have found your teacher, he will never leave you" ..and he looked straight at me since I was sitting close to the front ...he saw that I was moved by that and nodded and said it again .....how thrilled I was ...

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"RSE hijacks a person?s reasoning powers without them even knowing what took place? It's a tragedy that most of the people drawn into a cult such as RSE are idealistic, smart and caring.. who are oblivious to the true nature of the trap they are falling into.. with the RSE roadshow and ?ramtha'...

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Hi Tree,

What I think when you are describing what would be viewed internally for the students is, how well that would work EXTERNALLY to view the whole scene and see how good ones suggestions have been taken by the students. That is what it would really be useful for!

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I guess enough time and opportunity has passed to safely say Steve Klein is unable to face his own reality of what he has created. Saying ones site is open to all is one thing. Actually making it happen when facts don't fit ones liking is another. The need to portend one reality and live another is ...

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Hi Thank you all for stating your views. I see that my questions have brought up some additional questions I had not forseen. I will share with you my view of enlightenment. While I have always seen the term bandied about and used towards those attired in colored garb, sitting as if alone, and one w...

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Whatcha, I had not been aware of how Joe D had been treated, though I must say it does not surprise me. While I have written some about Joe with regard to his appearance in WTB and his touting of the "You create your own reality" philosophy. I never got the impression that he was out to pu...

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cooee, Welcome and thanks for your insightful posts! Defining cults, mind-control, thought reform, hypnosis are all controversial subjects. There is an enormous amount of information out there related to these subjects as well as what part they play in societies. No offense meant to anyone, but just...

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Not having been a student myself, I have been wondering... If there is a school of photography, belly dancing, medicine, law etc all of those things have agreed upon definitions. In that regard, I thought it might be interesting to hear the way current and x students defined enlightenment prior to g...

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Looks like Steve Klein has decided to not post my response to his comments. Possibly because the actions they expose are what become denigrating to him. Or perhaps the master of ceremonies has forbidden it. In any case, here is a fine record of lack of integrity, accountability as well as common sen...

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zyxwv,

Glad to hear your x has disengaged herself. It would be interesting to hear from her her story of both her involvement and disengagement as well as the hows and whys.

Once again, Glad to hear from you!

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I have added a bit more to the Jeff Adams blog reposted here from Steve Kleins site. I would imagine he will post it in a few days on his blog. Or, perhaps not, one never knows.

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David, Thanks for that post! I had not heard that for a while and I had buried the material somewhere and had been looking for it to give to someone to read. It is indeed quite a phenomina that if most of us saw and heard a guy claiming to be Winston Churchill on the corner we would think him odd an...

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Just a note to acknowledge that Steve Klein eventually posted my responses. I have added any additional comments to the thread
JTR

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One of the constants among authoritarian and totalitarian groups or states is the fact that they must continually build and support their power base. It is all about amassing and using power. They will do or say anything that furthers their goals. Look back at history. It does not surprise me in the...

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PS Aussiegal,

Nice boots!!

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Voidgate, My post is not intended to agitate you, but to gain some understanding of how you come to your present conclusions or thoughts. "The Ramtha of the early years was generally a presentation of beauty. I and many others attended because we loved what we saw in him." Certainly yours ...

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The full subject did not fit on the line: Steve Klein?s Yelm blog, integrity, and how studying in Ramtha's School of Enlightenment brings diminished results. This was edited by JTR on May 5th, 2008 This was re-edited by JTR May 22nd, 2008 Steve Klein eventually posted my comments on his blog {http:/...

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voidgate, "At the beginners event I attended in 2006 every participant was graciously given a baseball cap as a GIFT from JZ. Everyone was supposed to be so grateful for her supreme generosity when they paid a mountain of money to be there in the first place." In my estimation she is using...

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David, So many have spoken of the fact of rams black eyes and pointed to it as proof of the big bully being in her body. JZ does miracles when she puts a couple of belladonna drops in her eyes to dilate her pupils. A simple parlor trick. One which has earned her millions through the betrayal of othe...

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Just wanted to add a few notes here. I know Krippner has been quoted as saying the tests prove that she (JZ ) was not a fraud. I interviewed Kripner in this regard and he explicitly told me that his tests did not prove such a thing and that they were not intended to. Now, he may have been just sayin...

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Understanding, I do not have any info on Wolfgang but hopefully someone else might. I wanted to take a moment to speak about the fact that this thread along with "Is RSE a cult?", "leaving friends behind",and "mathematics of demonology" have gotten considerably more hit...

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David, I totally agree, that JZ and some of the inner circle understand full well the influence they are capable of wielding especially within their own closed environment. I was comparing it more to other groups who actually include the recruiting process as a part of members daily life, be it &quo...

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Diane, In all fairness, I don't have the impression that there is any overt recruiting by RSE students similar to some other groups out there. Yes, one may attempt to bring another into the fold but would virtually never say they were recruiting. They may sincerely believe that RSE is the best thing...

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Viodgate, Pleasure to read your posts. You make some very salient points. This stock sale thing really gets me though. I wonder what the prospectus looks like. Would it even mention R???? If it did, I would think that she could be opening herself up to securities fraud, selling an interest in a none...

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Tyger said "I also do not recall any Moonies running for Congress.....unless you were referring to the former Senator John "Hair-boy" Edwards (joking). Or for that matter, any "Prophetites" running for Congress either." "Giving out a donation to a political candida...

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Am I mistaken??? I thought her joint was just outside of Yelm city limits.

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Note to the moderators: I was not exactly sure where to put this, if you feel it should be better off somewhere else, please feel free to move it. And thanks once again for doing a wonderful job!!! This has been a long time coming. While never having been a student of RSE I hope this narrative will ...

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Don't be silly, you know the answer would be that he/she/it was speaking of something that happened in another time frame or universe.

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Hi Free2ctruth, Thanks for your response, if I have gotten it right, my response and questions will appear in a differing color then yours for easier reading. "Lost in Space is on the point I was trying to make -- for me it starts with the premise that luck isn't just luck or a fluke occurance ...

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Free2ctruth, First, welcome , I have read your posts and find it refreshing that you are able and willing to engage in a dialogue with others in a meaningful way regardless of belief. I for one think that by engaging with those who one might disagree with can leads one to discovering an understandin...

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Hi All, for me, quite a bit of the "reality" discussed in what the bleep relys on the "endless possibility" concept. That being, that the universe is infinite and so filled with infinite possibilities. One could spend all their time contemplating this but would obviously never ge...

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Beautiful!

Back to the Raelians

Gladys indeed!

Savvy or not?

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I should have gone to work earlier this morning!!!LOL

Grain of salt....

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looks like a duck, walks like a duck..........

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It is what it is

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How it all began

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