The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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For the record. Here we are may years apart in the post but text/theme is same? What's helpful about this board is that people a persons thoughts aren't their own? It's that no one saw or questioned. It's that there wasn't an honest student body where honest questions could be shared, aired, discuss...

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Ochham:

Mind if i remote view over your shoulder as you read it?

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It isn't just plagiarized but it isn't even lived. When i watched the hardness in her face without Ramtha-i saw it. The same intensity ego typically male. In a million words what's really said? "You are God". The teachings expand to accommodate her ever growing ego/insanity. In the 20/20 s...

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Ockham,

Waiting on my book. Chomping at the bit. Talk to us. Tell us more. :).

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David,

It's hard to think of all the suffering she has caused.

What do you know about Virginia Coverdale saying there was a contract murder JZ hired? I read it online.

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Last night is the first time in months i wasn't up all night. Up and down yes but for months i have not gone to bed before 6 Am. I am not one to let something go easily. I dig out information. First i lean one way then the other. It's been back and forth. Separating ones self from the teachings/Ramt...

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Absolutely David. I ironically my card (still have it ) and life has been a quest for "truth". I am also a stickler for being able to trust and depend on what i am told. To ask a person for their trust .....To tell them they can depend on you. To give up house and home? "I will show y...

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You are sooooo funny. Thanks.

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I had gone to beginners. Was a believer. Went "home" (no longer had a home once teachings came along) In transition and my life in upheaval/turmoil and chaos not a mention an awful mess-something happened. A mind boggling miracle that caused upheaval in a small town. I automatically attrib...

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He had a teacher. Not only have i heard it on tapes but a student that gave me the white book also mentioned Ramtha having a teacher. I have it on tape and can did it out. He talks about how hard his teacher was on him. The rock? Yeah, he talks about the humiliation of being cared for but having gon...

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Agree Agree Agree It's been hard work and a struggle endeavoring to make sense of and come to terms with everything. Time and again i have watched the 20/20 and read all i can find. Maybe i should have done that before going there? Would it have mattered? I thought "Ramatha" had the answer...

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Hello, hope you are well. I have not know anything about Linda Evans, Lady Star, other than she played in Big Valley many years ago and has done commercials. After watching the attack on her by your teacher saying, " my daughter is a success and you're struggling to try to be one". That is...

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I was just notified of a suicide-close to home. WT....? It's over my head. All i know is that there's SO much to live for. To anticipate and experience. To be grateful for. It's a tragedy at best for anyone to feel they have no reason to live. Heaven help us all. I implore all of us to do something ...

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If we loved people half as much as we judge them the world would be a better place. :)

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I had a problem becoming dependent on anything outside of my control. Example: Using music to do C&E or the list because what if i didn't always have access to music? To Me the white powder for immortality was inconsistent with what i had read and already believed, That we are God in our being a...

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You are more informed than i am. When i saw the attack on Evans i automatically thought it had something to do with something in Hollywood. Maybe a commercial or stock. Something completely unrelated to RSE. And the f***ing Jew Ram referred to was probably someone that disagreed with JZ advice. My t...

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I watched that video again last night. Shaking my head. It wasn't like that when i was there. Or even close. "Ramtha" was funny. At times silly. And the theme was honesty. Human morality. Known as "the truth teachings". I am unable to recognize the Ramtha in the video and what i ...

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Thanks for information. I am starting to see the trajectory. How it progressed. What was added when, why and how. From here it looks like she had to introduce new disciplines/teachings to keep the business in bloom. I also see a progression of deterioration, abuse and self destruction. Did you see w...

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Wow. It never occurred to me question when, where and how at the time. The brain teaching. I thought it came with Ramtha. Bait and switch is exactly what happened. RSE and "Love Yourself Into Life" isn't one and the same or even close. In order to JZ to have and maintain a following she ha...

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David, read the article on Dr Joe. Unbelievable. It's all about the money! It wasn't as if he had a humble ego at RSE. If i am not mistaken isn't HE the one that came up with the brain teaching? I am still piecing it together in my head. Was the brain teaching there when you first went ? Fill me in ...

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RSE students. I know how you think. I have been you. I am able to relate and share with you the danger of your reality. That "everyone creates their own reality". Yes, we all make choices that create our individual experience and circumstances. However, how much of it is done from lack of ...

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I see he is now specialist on the brain, change. the mind and human potential. A neuroscientist? When did that happen? Wasn't he just a chiropractor? Oh, and the quantum world. He's touring the world now doing work shops. Special price of $1200. You can bet JZ is fuming. He's teaching the same thing...

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Hi everyone, I have a thought i want to share with you but first i want to say, i hope you are well, safe and have peace in your heart. Love toward one another. God Bless. If you have a minute i want to ask you a question that might help you understand your involvement at RSE better. I want to talk ...

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As with anything there's truth mixed in with fiction. To entice, deceive, confuse and control. The bottom line is always the same. Greed, $$$$$, image. It's wearisome. Ironically the "great work" is about resolving the image. I saw an article and picture about Joan Rivers tonight. She was ...

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As i look at it now it's ridiculous. At that time and era Ramtha was major. And without internet who had access to what we now know? All of us were goo goo ga ga. Bullshit was taken as brilliance. Who's gonna question an ascended master? At the time the exalted ones were Dr Joe, chiropractor, Gregg ...

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WOW. Thank You. I will read ASAP. It's another one of those things i trusted blindly. I am very fortunate in that i was only in arena for 2-3 "wine ceremonies". Three others i ran and hid. For real. I was scared. Once i climbed the wall and left. Another i was outside the door rather than ...

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It was explained to me reason for wine is one, "it takes out the guard". Meaning the filter in the brain that blocks anything other than it's current reality. Two, the reservatrol (in red wine ) makes the brain, gives it plasticity-meaning it can be programmed. The idea wasn't to get drunk...

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I spoke with Richard. He's pretty out of it. I ask how many toes were amputated and he said, "4 on one foot and 5 on the other". This is hard to handle. Just received word " Go Fund Me" is set up on Face Book and first $25 has been deposited. I am working on scheduling the media ...

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UPDATE:

Media on it and ready to go. Setting up "Go Fund Me".

Love letters being written. Not romantic stuff. Not that kind of Love. No, it's people letting someone know that they care.

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UPDATE: It's far more sad than i knew. His power had been shut off months ago. No one knew. And his vehicle repossessed. The only money he earned was from driving the Amish around. His medical condition is that he will be in rehab awhile and might never go home. He has a house he inherited that he g...

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42? I watched it. Let's see, if i remember correctly that was the WAR between Atlations and Lemurians. The Atlations were technolgy worshippers and Lemurians were spiritual. Technology is heartless and soulless. What if we are the ones that created the computer and program. To do our thinking for us...

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The "Great Work" is about resolving human image and everything attached to it and to bring forth Christ consciousness, Christ. Meaning God realized. Along with it all the capabilities of a Christ. One who has mastered all limitations. All physicality. By completely eradicating all human id...

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The feces? A student that posted. I had the same reaction. It was Evans that was told to do it. I have to tell you-when i saw the video of JZ as Ram so drunk that when she spit at Evans it didn't go far and instead landed on her own leg. I was absolutely sick inside. Disbelief. Shock. At the uglines...

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Shocked, thank you. However, i have to admit that it isn't me-per say. It's an answer to prayer. I have ask that love come through this body. To touch the lives of others. To help heal a selfish and broken society. I have my soul back. And have gained great understanding of something, that LOVE is w...

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Is there Love where you are? Is there acceptance that allows you to express freely your thoughts and feelings? Are you welcome at your neighbors home? Greeted warmly by others-students? Is there peace and joy in your heart that soars as you contemplate today and tomorrow? Is there a song in your hea...

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As i said i came here without knowing anyone. I found a small house i was able to afford and here i am. I have a family member( not here) who works in public health. She has been on TV many times and has a few "connections". I have appealed to her and she's on it. Hopefully he will receive...

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If people would be so kind just send him a card-note. Anything. Let this guy know he isn't alone. He had a dog and i have no idea what happened to it. This afternoon received word he has to have more amputation. Would you please send him a card? Laurels Of Coldwater 90 N. Michigan Ave. Coldwater, MI...

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I live in small town USA. Less than 1000 people and many Amish. It's nothing to see horse and buggy going on street. last summer they came to a yard sale-horse and buggy. It's funny. i am new to the area so it's still a novelty. Yesterday i got a call from a dear friend, elderly woman that has been ...

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Anyone have an explanation? At a different time i ass-u-me that it's Ramtha in charge. HE said so. I have watched that 20/20 interview several times. Steven Bakker ? JZ Knights early P.R. guy share what he saw and experienced. It was 1984, CA. Desert. I watched Steven Bakker's face and words, he was...

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God Bless. I care about your happiness, joy and well being. I was once you. The eager and trusting student. Believing and applying the "teachings" that i thought came from Ramtha The Enlightened One. Ascended God. Master teacher. Lover of us and lover of our God. The forgotten Gods once hi...

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Reality? You might want to go to

Ramtha-Ascension-Deep Trance-Now Hypnosis. I Am Ramtha.

Ramtha is now being marketed along side of and with Dr Laura De Giorgio -
www.deeptrancenow.com

That's not enlightenment it's mind control.

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I think people want easy answers. Someone to give them the answers. People imo are not motivated to put forth the effort it takes to search something out for them self. Question what they are told. Engage their brain. Maybe i am being judgmental, harsh but if there's a hard lesson i have learned in ...

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people don't realize what they are involved with. That it's marketing at it's finest. And they have changed one enslavement for another. When people go to RSE it's all about getting free from a mind control society and mind control commercialism, capitalism and "take back your power". Not ...

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I have been reading on EMF-again. Finding beneficial posts i previously missed. I remember at the time thinking, "why not just manifest it"? In reference to "not enough money" for/to run the school. It didn't make any sense for there to be such problems given that an ascended mas...

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What a fool believes...it's all 180 degree from the original message. People believe what they want to. Heaven help em when the truth comes to light. It will.

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I Will Not Have You Worship Me. I have no following. None. If they follow i send them away. There are many "teachers" on your plane that ENHANCE THEMSELVES while having that which follows them worship them. I am not this way. You never become God when you worship the feet of another. This...

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It might be wise for me to just walk away. because the more i dig the more bizarre it gets. Long ago i saw a video of Penny Torres, Ramtha/Jz clone. Now i see she's doing world tours too. My God-these people are opportunist. It has me shaking my head. It's beyond bizarre. Mind boggling. I do not hav...

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Yes David, you are making sense. The struggle to comprehend, formulate a thought and express it in on my part. Keep in mind that long ago i saw JZ differently than most. But i didn't doubt Ramtha or HIS "teachings". It has come as a shock to see it as it is for what it is. Obviously i have...

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In the early nineties there was no internet. I was given the white book and later video of Hawaii dialogue. For someone that had never even considered God as anything other than religion and was disillusioned with it, it opened a door to greater hope and possibilities. And as a female it was empower...

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As ugly as it is it isn't far fetched or a stretch to think of "Ramtha" as Judy Hampton's altered ego. Given her life. but then who knows what her life actually was? How many people have ever come forward that were part of her history? She probably bought their silence. All anyone knows ab...

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I don't mean to sound stupid but can you elaborate please. You mean JZ is a socially engineered .....?

Ramtha Project?

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Thank You but ugh! Hard to watch. As ugly, bleak and dark as RSE is i believe in huma spirit and heart. I believe in soul. EMF is only a few that woke up and got out. There's many that went once or didn't stay long. How many after many years have gotten out? I believe there's something within all of...

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the confusion for students that creates the inability to question or think is because of the incongruence of the "teachings". Even as it's being taught there isn't any alignment from one day or one teaching to another. It throws a persons brain into a numb and frozen state. Don't think-don...

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Takes me back on my heels a wee bit. Wow. Have never had such thoughts. Actually, i think i should look up "cross dresser"? Is that what mindstate was alluding to? Good grief. Have been reading a lot. Searching it out for myself. It's a slippery slope. However. it came as a shock, revelati...

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I understand what you're saying. Who cares what she believes. But in trying to make sense of it all what i was questioning is if SHE actually believes in Ramtha? It's one thing to conjure up something. Quite another to believe it.

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As gnawing questions begin to unfold and be understood a lot of focus is on how and what happened. It's loaded. Incredible given how idiotic it appears now. Anyone ever experience "falling in love"? It's great. A transformation. Exciting and magical. Love is blind? It takes time to see the...

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On old board tonight i read thread: Does JZ go to doctor. There was a post saying she went to doctor, when she got in car she looked at James and said, " I have never been a smoker" and said something else but since i am unable to get back to that thread i am unable to quote it. The point ...

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Regarding paying to attend? Different stories on it. One was "it's your school and your responsibility". Which of course is a joke. However, from what i have seen and heard, JZ says/uses whatever will work at the time to justify or get something she wants. As far as having a mediator, chan...

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Ockham, Two sides to the coin. Yes, females have been victims for many centuries. It's unspeakable. I have a female body. Have lived the female experience, perspective. However, males are just as much victims in that while they have ruled supreme, did for a long time, they also have died emotionally...

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Thanks for the Children Full Of Life video. Oh my gosh, it so warmed my heart. You mean the teacher didn't say-"you created it"? It's alright to have compassion and emotion. It's alright to care and have emotions. It's alright to be HAPPY! Yes, on the suicide thing i have dealt with it. It...

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How does something that isn't religious become religious? What does RSE teach God is? It teaches that God is amoral and incapable of judging itself. That we are consciousness and energy creating reality in mass. In other words God is all about science. Frequency-vibration. No love/hate. No polaritie...

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I have read a lot about mind control and other peoples experience at RSE. I have done a lot of thinking. Reason it out. Consciousness and energy? Did those words or concepts exist 35,000 years ago? What "disciplines" did "Ramtha" has his army do? Anyone have early teachings? Any ...

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It's amazing to me-now. To see it wasn't only poor people but educated wealthy people bought it too. And as her success grew it became a cult. Shrewd. Evaluating it now in the absence of emotion it looks much different. Most blatant is the fear factor. Last waltz Of tyrants, DTC, Earth Changes, Alie...

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The theory is to be prepared for earth changes, aliens, government and thieves, correct? Radiation. Have it water resilient and stocked for 2 years survival. But she, JZ sold her horses for an outrageous amount on the same fear premise of DTC. People would need a horse for transportation. Okay, and ...

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Isn't it interesting that what "Ramtha" referred to as "the gutter" is now where it's at? But then wasn't it always? Doesn't anyone find it unusual for a 34? year old woman to dump her husband for a 20 year old boy, Jeff Knight? I believe she was 14 years older than him? She knew...

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I am going to become rich and famous by creating an ascended technology master than comes in his space ship and personally instructs me on how to conquer my computer. One key at a time. :) I forgot to mention that in the new white book where Ram means "father" and Ramaya is his daughter, t...

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Yes, JZ and her ego, greed, is definitely dangerous to unsuspecting people. However, other than that she isn't worthy of my thoughts.

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Also in the new and improved white book, Shieva isn't a singular diety but rather a consciousness. Not what Wikipedia says.

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Ramtha dialogues brings up white book edited 1999.2001, 2004? In this book glossary the definition of Ram, Ramtha is FATHER. In the Ramtha An Introduction Ramtha states: I am Ramtha, the Ram, in the ancient language of my times, it means "the god". It says that in both books i have. The pa...

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Thank You David. I have not seen this book in many years. was digging around in old things and found it. Ironically it was a treasure at the time as my life had already been blown apart and i was in upheaval. If the people going into RSE today saw what it was in early years they would be shocked. It...

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David, Be patient please. I am learning how to operate technology. There is no comparison between this book and what RSE has become. It's about evolving, knowledge, turning the page, destroying image, gaining wisdom, going home, Christ. Talks about the book of life, the soul. Ancient nystery schools...

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The Ancient Schools Of Wisdom

A selection of teachings from
RAMTHA

Compiled by
Diane Munzo-Smith

The teachings speak specifically about bringing forth Christ-
going HOME.

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The Ancient Schools Of Wisdom.

Compiled by Diane Munzo-Smith

Copyright 1992 and 1996 Diane Munzo-Smith

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Anyone remember the book? Pg 60: "In the ancient school it took a year just to clean up though. Instead of cursing yourself, don't ever curse yourself. Don't ever goddamn anything because whatever you do is going to come home to you. Get it? Because "goddamn" is as much a law as "...

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Research Shiva the destroyer. Interesting. Rama And Ramayana for starters. It sure seems like a woven tapestry of material taken from a few places. Information same only names are changed. It's all to similar to be coincidence. Revelations of Ramala VS Alder Visions of Ramala VS Alder Ramayana Shiva...

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LOL i just read it.

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AWESOME. You rock. I am finding all kinds of things in the most unlikely places.

If there was a Ram he would be proud of us.

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I have a lot of material. Dissecting all of it. And by the way-i know of people with RSE material they got at yard sale that have never been students. No gag on them. :) GOOD stuff!!!

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Per "Ramtha": Technology was a biggie for Atlations-across the river. "Ramtha" describes primitive conditions for Lamurians. Females raped in the streets, poverty. We all know the story. How he burned the hovel he had shared with his family. Burned? Were things built of LUMBER ba...

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If there was a Ramtha he would sue JZ for slander...and copyrights!!!

There is a much larger picture of enlightenment beyond RSE that doesn't include degradation and total submission to a first seal victim/tyrant. Nothing original at RSE. Story and picture of Shiva is online too.

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Have secured a copy of it. Will devour and report. Be a few days. Hooray!!

It's gonna be interesting.

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From someone that's gambled they aren't telling you how much it cost em to "win" that $$$. :) Yes, i agree it certainly is sad to think of people signing up to learn how to win at gambling. There's only one winner.....it's the cat on the throne. On my, students are cat food? It better be 9...

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I do not have a model for how i am "supposed" to think, feel or be. I don't suppose it occurred to any of us that the path to Christ consciousness is love? Not doctrine. The more i read and learn the more free and peaceful i am. It's wonderful. I don't have as many years at RSE as many on ...

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Obviously much can be said about the scam. Planting the seeds of greatness, enlightenment. Unlimited capabilities. Just a thought away. It isn't just about the "list". The proof if you will is did it-does it create happiness and joy? That many gave up to go there to be "enlightened&qu...

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Ockham Thank you for info. I have already found a ton of information that completely blows apart JZ Knights claim or originality of "Ramtha". There really are people not self serving that have sought to understand the mystery that has always surrounded "God". Unfortunately, there...

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As i read the alleged history of the "gods" it seems to me they were ego maniacs and power mongers competing. Human. Love and peace? And "channeling"? I am not listening to anyone/thing that operates from behind a curtain. Oh, and for a $$$$ to. Don't forget your credit card. If ...

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www.ramalacentre.com It's worth reading. Ramala was not the source of info it was the name of the umbrella these people worked under. They began channeling shortly after their marriage in 1970 until 1989. Ramala centre is in England. JZ was doing a lot of reading about England then, per Steve interv...

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Hindsight always 20/20. Reading the interview with Steve about JZ and her ego. Getting clobbered by media and how ultimately it became "dark". Actually, now that i have a contrast it's easy to see that what's in the white book-the humor and love, light heart, is NOT how it was at school. T...

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David, As you know i have been posting on the VS Alder material and came upon Ramala, England based? Reading the interview with Steve Weinberg on "White Book" he states that JZ was "doing a lot of reading at that time about England". ???? For me it's all connecting. It isn't enou...

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What about healing? Or remarkable changes in a persons life? Happiness and joy? As well as the "creatures that hang from the wires and doors around places of entertainment waiting to fall/jump on you"? Masters huh? Do they win enough for the privilege of listening to a drunken old woman ta...

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No more excuses. We have all been there. 1. Well JZ has to evolve too. 2. It's Ramtha's school and he's in charge. Blah Blah. When what is taught isn't practiced/LIVED by the one being paid-RUN! It's a hoax. Heaven help the suckers she's scamming now. Only people with no experience or knowledge are ...

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Youtube P'taah-Divinity in Humanity vol.1 sample (similar to Bashar channeling by Darryl Anka) Just watched it. Might as well be "Ramtha". He's every where! LOL It's gonna take awhile but i am digging. It's so obvious that "Ramtha" is as original as JZ Knight is honest. Even the ...

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Interesting. JZ Knight got all her information from other sources. Including the name Ramtha. Ramtha? Yeah, I have to do digging. Will have more to say later.

A swamp in Florida....

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David, Thank You for the information. I have The Third Eye now. In that book alone it's obvious that our no place else in the world school isn't original. I came upon Initiation The World, VS Alder, am indulged as i type. It's BLATANT, oh so blatant that JZ Knight has no credibility. Opportunist. In...

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JZ Knight is old news. We all know what she is/about. However, there's a process to moving on. What to keep and what to throw away. Although she would if she could JZ Knight does not have a patent on GOD. Leaving her and RSE behind does not mean walk away from pursuing truth and growth. Last nite is...

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We know Vera Stanley Alder produced much of what's claimed and plagiarized by JZ Knight/RSE.

Was Vera Alder a fraud?

She started World Guardian Fellowship. As yet i have no information on what it was.

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Song by Stevie Wonder: There's A Place In The Sun. It's my life story. I listened to it and cry. With relief and joy. Old now I look in a mirror and the physical beauty i once had is gone. Thank God. It brought me nothing but grief. In it's place is a free mind, heart and soul. A beautiful mind. It'...

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What a cutie. Can he heal me too?
Thanks David. Wonderful humor.

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Fear is gone. I am waking up to LIFE! Understanding that the "magic" i experienced in beginning was within me and what i arrived with. The miracles i have experienced are not a "runner", it's from the essence and presence in my life and thoughts i call God. Since going to RSE MAN...

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In going through old information i came upon a teaching, "a return to innocence". It is THE most blatant and ominous of all. Starts out w/2.5 glasses of wine. Ramtha/JZ says to play "witchy woman", Eagles.I listened it. OMG! It says it all. Blatantly. And this was at a "wine...

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There were so many things i had questions about. I didn't go through what so many of you did in reference to the hours in cold/heat. Hours of C$E. And otherwise nonsense to call it an "event". It was always a question in my mind why students paid to go there when they could do it at home. ...

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I rest my case. THIS is exactly what i am talking about. As well as the very reason why it is not wise to trust. Is not the way it "should" be. However, human nature being what it is....where else would one expect to find predators except in a place where they are offering assistance to vu...

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David, I appreciate your response and agree with what you are saying. I am unable to comprehend what RSE has become. I do NOT defend it. I do NOT defend her. I was not there as long as you and many others. Nor did i love Ramtha. Something ihave realized. I did not become part of the student body. Al...

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I read the article Joe? posted on Bryd. As well as "hollow earth" posts. Apparently i missed something because i have no reference for Zorro. Makes sense actually. Something about JR makes sense? I agree entirely that we are in a "rendering" at this time. Here's the problem: Chri...

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Exchange one paranormal for another? One belief system for another? One bible for another? How is "truth" evaluated and defined? By what standard, authority? Isn't the entire CONCEPT of God "paranormal"? Can't see it. Hold it in your hand. But it's widely accepted as "normal...

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Seriously, The point i am trying to make is that no one can make $$$$$ off of a product no one wants. Which can mean only one thing, that the people who took the bait, responded to white book etc did so because it APPEALED to something within THEM. Ramtha, real or imagined represented what people wa...

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Is/was Ramtha a figment of our imagination? Maybe we created him-to have something to believe in when religion wasn't/isn't enough? Maybe Ramtha is OUR altered ego? The unrealized experience/dream of unlimited freedom? Our unrealized dream of GREATNESS. Who and what made her rich and famous? Isn't R...

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Rooster,

Penney Torres i believe. It's on you tube. Along with being debunked.

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freemysoul, it seems to me that something is overlooked entirely on the legal/accountable aspect. In the court cases of "God" or "the devil" made me do it-doesn't hold up. REGARDLESS of "freedom of religion". If it breaks the laws of the land. Judy CLAIMS "Ramtha&q...

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I have read extensively on EMF. OMG! Brain is exhausted. Read where Greg said, "i don't recall" regarding Lizards? In 1999 there was an unexpected event called (pronto) over a student having seen a video, read a book about lizards. Rumor began Ramtha is a lizard. Event called and he was li...

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Anything we have an emotional attachment to and is taken away-leaves an emptiness. Weird displacement feeling. It's a loss. Emotionally homeless. Like wow- where am i? It's NORMAL. And, for as much as many of us feel we were duped, fools, the truth is we are the SMART ones. We saw it. Go out. Walked...

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To everyone. How often has someone been in a relationship only to discover that they don't know the person? Or get involved with someone that seems one way and turns out to be exact opposite? Happens all the time. People married 30 years. Wife/husband thinks it's all fine. One of comes home ans says...

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There's something wrong when you pay your $ to go to a school that tells you, "don't you ever let anyone tell you you aren't God". Or that "God is out there". Remember that? So how does it go from that and , "i will show you teach you"...to over night it suddenly becaom...

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Californiadreaming I often wondered the same. He always bragged on her how 'my daughter hasn't done that'. In reference to sexual activity. How PURE she is. I could go along with, "she has to evolve too". But i cannot go along with an ascended master teacher-the great late Ramtha, the STRA...

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Hello all, I want to share my story rather than my opinion on how i gained freedom from RSE. I was not and have not been current for at least 16 years. I believed but didn't live the teachings as far as image is concerned. I didn't tell anyone about RSE except family. I wanted a "normal" l...

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Seriously- Good to from all of you. It's been intense. I was ready to break away. Now it's like looking at something i was involved in and not feeling anything. Like a movie. Thrilled i didn't become part of the group. I have a lot to be grateful for. It makes me shudder to see what it has become. I...

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OMG funny!!! David you have marvelous humor.

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No one wants to find out they have been duped. Scammed, conned, manipulated, lied to. It's painful that what someone believed in isn't what they thought. First reaction is denial and excuses. Ramtha is real, teachings are real, it's Judy that has the problem. Another one is, she's no different than ...

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Ockham Ironically, isn't that what's called a 'linear" existence? I was fortunate enough not have gotten sucked in that deep. Not to mention i was uncomfortable in a crowd that large. All drinking. It's why i climbed over the wall and left during a Baktau-however ya spell it. As far as wine cer...

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Coming to terms with RSE isn't an easy process. Because it's the end of a dream and era. Letting go and moving on. As in any relationship that "didn't work out" there's the disappointment and uncertainty as ya walk away into an unknown. However, trying to "hang onto the good" doe...

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It was meant as humor. As well as an interesting point. In the 40 years of the "Ram" has a son ever been mentioned? It's all bullshit. Ridiculous.

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The truth of anything is defined by the motive.

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Script writer blew it.

It's all so insane.

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"Ramtha" is whoever and whatever Judy wants him be, whenever and however. Menopause is rough!

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Shocked-i was writing a reply and hit a key or something and it disappeared. Hate it when that happens. It's all part of cult control, brain washing. Divide and conquer. The "teachings" immediately empower and elevate people to a place of superiority. They know something no one else does. ...

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Thank You for asking. Call me forever.

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The isolation aspect just occurred to me. More than, "it's an alone journey" (unless you're Judy). Isolation in that all else is shut out. If it doesn't come from RSE/Ram discard it. So that means the only source of info, guidance, persuasion comes from ...? It's the only trusted source. Y...

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Hey MindState

What's up with calling us "freaks"?

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Hands down it's a cult. No question or mystery there. However, the purpose is another matter and goes far beyond a woman that lost her way. She never was into the teachings or making the world a better place-for others. It was always about her and $$$$ with no regard for others. I met someone that h...

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@ MindState

You get it?

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They scan this board to see what's up. All video referenced to by EMF has been removed from you tube etc.

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It was hard for me to watch. I felt sick. Repulsed.

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I do but if i post it-it will disappear.

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Given what was once taught i have say yes, that RSE is anti Christ. It's scary. I have my own opinion which i will keep to myself regarding what it's all about-it sure is dark.

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Just so you know. Alex Collier was teaching in 1996 what the tyrant later gave a teaching on-as if it's some ground shaking information. Of course it's also copy righted. Check it out.

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David. I didn't hear about the rant until quite recently and only saw a 1.6 clip of the drunken Judy attacking Evans. Much less about the "anti Christ raise your hand". I certainly noticed how uncomfortable and confused Wrights wife looked at when the F...You and Jew part was said. Linda E...

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MindState That's cult aspect to it all. Screw job if you will. They, Judy Knight has named and copy righted everything and something that neither she or any other can or ever will own. It's like getting a patent on air. The disciplines do NOT create anything except enslavement. The "teachings&q...

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Hi MindState, I lived in my vehicle, in a forest and practically starved. I had left my husband behind to go there. Without money and in awful situation i went back to husband. I later had money of my own so i went back to RSE,,moved there. Had $$$ for nice place...devastating. Police involved. It w...

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Last week? or longer has been about distinguishing between what's me and what's the teachings. What's the teachings and what's Ram. What's Ram and whats the channel. Important to me. To come out of it intact. To the extent that what i have is mine. My "reality" is my creation. Separate fro...

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I just looked up mobius strip.

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Teachings are you can heal yourself. No fear-Ramtha is here. So why have so many died of cancer? Are you aware of Vicky Cady? She was Red Guard. Cancer. I wasn't present it's hearsay, that Ramtha said to her in front of everyone, "you don't deserve to be healed"? Toast to 200 years. Anti a...

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MindState, Did you just say you don't think scamming people is wrong? Did you have contact with the people that thought their SOUL depended on the teachings? That gave up jobs, house, home and family, friends to go to RSE? Are you aware of the early days and people fired if it was discovered they we...

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MindState Let's examine the "evolve" concept as witnessed at rse. To the naive student it means, wow, new teaching? Or when it became show biz, the word is going global and now everyone can have an opportunity? On an emotional level it's acceptable to someone that "believes" in R...

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Mindstate-because it was after 1999 the teachings disappeared. Gone with the wind.

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There's a larger picture. With what i now know she did not do it alone. It's too big. First, someone did the research and packaged it. Came up with the character Ramtha, created/designed it. And the channel avenue. Many of us agree that Ramtha isn't real. But almost everyone agrees that the "wh...

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A "school of enlightenment" does not make a video-political in nature, solidarity and the 'teacher" claim to be the God of that nation, " i am coming for you". Folks, THAT'S not a "school". And if that video was made in another country and aimed at US it would be c...

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I wondered why ( if it's true) Judy started an I Am church then resigned to open RSE. The answer is obvious....$$$$. What i once thought of as a school ( twisted thinking) i am not sure how to refer to it now except to say i want it as far behind me as possible. It's ominous.

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MindState--

Are your materials pre or post 2000?

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Ramtha is a fictional character. At least the Ramtha i believed in. However, that doesn't erase the possibility that something not human uses her. UGH. The hook and yoke that breaks the students back at RSE is that Ramtha and the teachings are considered one and the same. In which case CONFORMITY, o...

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I like it, Ramboozeled! Says it all. 1, it appears much of the "never heard before" material, cornerstones came from Alder? 2, the "list" came from St Germaine? Where did disciplines come from? Anyone know where name Ramtha came from? Anyone know anything about the alleged ELF wa...

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- Moderator Comment - This post was split and moved from our Forum topic - The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar http://enlightenmefree.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2430 _________________________________________________________________________________________ MindState, I am doing the same thin...

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Seriously,

Can you please pm me?

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Help me out here please. The Where Angels Fear To Tread was confiscated? Retracted? When? They missed a copy. Almost all the video posted as reference by EMF have been removed. It's soooo obvious and insane. Great ascended master teacher has no insight or psychic ability? Make a video and retract it...

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David,
Laughing.Hilarious troll.Reminds me of someone.....

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MindState, in reference to the clothes? The clips i have seen you tube clothes are masculine. Heavy.

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Familiar with it? After "Ram" announcing the end of his dream late 1990s this video came out few years later but jacket said it's clips from 1999-2001 world tour. It's recent to my library. Has a website on it but site has been taken down. Most of em referenced on EMF have been removed.

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Hi David, thanks for responding. I wasn't there yet-before my time. Can't imagine. When i was there i made my own rules. Sure did. When i had enough i walked off the field. When i was overwhelmed in the woods i peeled the duct tape and blinders off and called it a day. I went at my pace and comfort ...

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Hi MindState, Glad you on here. I resonate with you. It isn't the physical, the magic is in the invisible. Miracles are personal and sacred to me. Me and my God. It's an inner journey. And that's what makes RSE such a blatant corporation. How do you take something sacred and exploit it for PERSONAL ...

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MindState, in the early days Ramtha talked about having a teacher.

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The "proof is in the pudding". Students that were not there for the early teachings have NO idea how much it's changed. The evidence is on the tapes/cds/video from back then.

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David, can you direct me to your experience with RSE and red flags?

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- Moderator Comment - For EMF housekeeping. I have copied and paste some of forever's post / questions onto this thread. David ____________ In piecing it all together, progression of manipulation and abuse i wonder when the drunken rants and filth began? Anyone know? ______________________________ ...

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Ockham, All of it is new to me. Never been into UFO/aliens. Never been into the channeling stuff, stars. When white book came along decades ago i had never even heard of Nostradomas. Been away from RSE MANY years. Only recently have i began to consider aliens among us. I stumbled into the Dreamland/...

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Interesting interview Whitley Strieber and Knight, dated 11-22-14. She came on and immediately said that she had reached out to him in the 80s and he ran away. Again years later. Interesting.

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How did Greg Simmons become "Dr Greg"? And Robert Jones "sir Robert"with some illustrious past? Is anyone paying attention to the absolute INSANITY and contradictions? get out the CPR tapes. " You have all been everything". And Ramtha came to wake us up-free us. The &qu...

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I recently saw clip of Judy teaching beginners on the brain. Unless i have over looked something in the CPR tapes something new has been added about the brain. On CPR mid brain is taught as psychic, reptilian brain and this that. But there wasn't a connection made between the bands/seals, levels of ...

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MindState- i agree. Oddly enough the eye opener came from Ramtha. It sure did. What was originally taught compared to what it's become. I listened to teachings repeatedly. Over and over and over. In an attempt to understand. It's been my lifes work to grow into enlightenment. A spiritual life. My te...

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If you are a student or thinking about becoming one PLEASE listen heed what you read on this forum. These are not simply loser students that 'couldn't do the work'. Whiners and victims. I couldn't swallow the insanity but kept the teachings. Believed Ramtha is real. Is there. Was there when i was. I...

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Wow-awesome. You hit it on the head. With Ramtha tv and streaming? Endless easy $$$$$. What a racket. Shills? i never thought of it but it makes sense. I agree with your description of for her it's a win/win. But not if someone REALLY evolves. Because if that happens a truly enlightened person is go...

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It's where it goes awry. Is dangerous. People look to Ramtha as a leader, believe in him, what's taught and become completely dependent on him (what they think of as him). To access him have to pay Judy. Before you know it people that went there to learn about their own god, divinity, somehow end up...

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Listen, it IS a cult. I have not wanted to say it or even think it. Or that Ramtha isn't "real" and maybe never was. I remember when R talked about cults and gurus, how they use sex as initiation, the likes. That was many years ago. Almost 20. It's obvious that RSE has descended rather tha...

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EMF is vital information to the history of RSE. As the old timers (that saw something quite different) pass away, this board is the only source of information to "beginners" or those contemplating going to RSE. When i went there there was no drunken sailor rants from the queen/king or anyt...

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Hi David,

I just sent it to "administrator" via e-mail.

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Hi David,

I just went there. It is on line. I am trying to figure out how to PM you so i don't have to publicize it. You KNOW RSE scans this board and as soon as they realize it'son line-it will disappear. Can you e-mail me?

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Is it a cult? What exactly is a cult? Where you have to give up your individuality to be accepted? Go along with the crowd? Well, if that's the case, family, is a cult! Society is a cult. Politics. Religion. Social clubs. As i see it people are vulnerable-period.Everyone wants to "belong', be &...

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MindState, I used to love black jack. It was same as going to ATM. School had nothing to do with it. I had NO idea until many years "after leaving" that students were doing it It's all been a journey. Teachings came along in my life decades ago. Blew my life apart. It's that it made me thi...

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Ditto. I have not been to an event in a long time and little contact with any students. Very little. But i have been using teachings, disciplines. After many years of no contact at all i got on RSE site and discovered they were working on what i was, interesting. Universal mind? I have not read Vera...

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I was shocked to discover she had an I Am Church prior to opening RSE. Was pastor. resigned to start RSE. Read it.

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I have wanted to understand the start of RSE and Hollywood connection.. Still have not gotten it completely figured out. Years ago as new student i was there to learn, impressionable. Ram had gotten on many. Blasted away. Including Evans. It wasn't flattering. It was bad. Evans takes it. At the time...

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Anyone remember the compassionate caring Ram? " You're the forgotten Gods". Life time after life time..recycled ignorance. How RELIGION had enslaved us. Told us " God is out there-out thee-out there", beginners. And all along " don't you let anyone anyone tell u God is out t...

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It's an old forum. Are you familiar with it?

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Student that moved away said it to me. That was Judy in former life. I watched it and was SHOCKED! Because it's everything and more that's supposed to "conquered" in us. I actually heard on Cd the entity--Ram whatever, BRAG about it! That she had laid with a king. Are you kidding me? And t...

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Thank you Mindstate. Something incredible happened this week. I was ...OMG..."processing" information. Head hurt so bad-no relief. And it just kept coming. And then WHAM...it's as if something LET GO. As if i had been connected rubber band and gone beyond breaking point. It broke and i was...

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I had not read this until now. It was only last night i found Avalon forum. Wasn't sure what to make of it. Far out. I have been unsettled, bugged. Pulled out OLD video that from day one troubled me. No one else seemed to notice. See what i saw. Last months been lambasted. Gnawing at me. I watched J...

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Really scary. The avalon thing? Who knows.

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Because it has an emotional hook. As insane and crazy as 35,000 warrior from sunken continent. And we all believed it because we could "relate" to Ramtha abuse in white book? To what it is to experience injustice? And somehow despite the insanity ...for me it was the love. It was the "...

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People say all sorts of things. Who knows what is/isn't accurate. But i read this and .....? Scary. Allegedly a 4 star admiral involved in black ops said u know who had dentist husband that was used in covert ops. They had him put device in in JZ molar without her knowing it. It was an early experim...

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I am new at this so be patient please. I have never in to UFO stuff. At all. I had a hard time with a 35,000 year old....concept. now it's all over the internet. Including Collier 'at the ranch'. Huh? Got my attention. Then i began to read about aliens. If it wasn't so sad i would tell where ( for a...

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I ask for "truth" a long time ago. It's what took me to RSE. I still have the card i found, "TRUTH". I heard a "teaching" not long ago and that which is termed Ramtha, say, "entity, if you ask for truth you better hold on". I have been enlightened for sure. I ...

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I have decades invested. It's been a journey. The journey is about myself. What i am. Not what Ramtha, Judy, RSE or her entourage is about. At the risk of being attacked i want to share something of my experience. Yes, i went to the school. Yes, i did the disciplines. Made it to void, found my cards...

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There's wonderful music on you tube free.

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Anyone remember em?

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Hello, i am new. Can someone help me please? Where doi post to enquire about rhe presentation by Alex Collier in 96 and also about Wing Makers? Thank You.

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Hello, I am interested in information about Alex Collier. Anyone remember the presentation he made in 1996? I hope i am on the right forum?

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