The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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I remember a teaching many years ago where "Ramtha" told everybody that at bars, evil orbs love to hang around. And he can see them in all their wickedness, just waiting until someone is drunk enough so they can possess them. They follow people home and hang around for a while. I thought t...

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Ramtha says that babies have the soft spot in their head so they can leave and go back to the other side if they feel like it. They have two years to decide if they want to stay or not. Some babies are angels that are not brave enough to stay, they just want a taste of what its like to be human. He ...

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Does anybody know what the other two predictions were. When I saw the tornado this morning, in Joplin, I thought to myself. Let me guess Ramtha is going to take credit for this one. I am sure he mentioned a tornado once this or last year. Somewhere in the midwest. Whoever writes out the transcripts ...

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Ramtha told a little girl that she used to be a Pharoah Princess in a past life. I didnt know there were pharoah princesses. But Ramtha also gave this little girl a horrible pagan name. I dont want to say details, because she is an innocent. At events the little girl wears outfits and costumes of an...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZoHdVZXbo

Thats Abraham- on " Ramtha" Abraham does not mention that Esther used to study with her. More Vague answers. Its nothing worth watching. But if you were interested in the whole Channels jealous of one another topic.

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After all- the Hertzian frequency---is the lowest on the pyramid..how inferior! 'This is the frequency us lowly humans operate on..

but when you have no emotions- you are in the middle of a swing, or pendulum--then you can see straight up to god!

Between "good" and " bad"

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Ramtha teaches that what you "feel" is part of your monkey mind. Emotions are not truth, they are just your "DIRTY RAGS" When you have any kind of emotion, it is YOUR PAST. Not the future. The future has no feeling --so to see it, you must not feel anything. If you stare at somet...

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WHATATRIP- yes, feeling is mutual..

I asked once, WHY ARE THERE NO MIRRORS IN RSE

and was told by a staff--"IT IS SO YOU CAN GET OVER YOUR ADDICTION OF HOW YOU LOOK"

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Ramtha says that health has nothing to do with food. Nothing at all. Health has all to do with THOUGHTS. All the heart attacks in the country are from thoughts. Those health nuts, who eat bird seed, he says are delusional and will reincarnate as starving people in Africa because they spend this life...

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I noticed Ramtha's new prediction ties in her older JUNE 15th prediction of something "very bad" happening that day. Even though Ramtha at the next event said, nothing was going to happen because the students changed their focus and changed the timeline. Which is it?

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Sorry I cannto edit. I have to make a new post to correct.. But the friend was a Ramster and I was trying to show her Nasa has no idea of any planet x coming. So my point was, even if you showed this to Ramsters they would think its a conspiracy. They Dont want us to know...they would say. Nasa is a...

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I saw an article just like this, but for the planet that is supposed to come and hit us, PLANET X, Ramtha told everyone it would hit us Dec. 21 2012. ( The story keeps changing)

I showed it to a friend and she said:

NASA stands for

Never A Straight Answer

so that conversation was dropped.

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When I told my friend back home, that I was going to move to Yelm and about Ramtha, he asked me, "Does this "Ramtha" have sex with women, as a channel?" and I said no. I said that he has never had sex, because Ramtha has never had sex he says, and my friend, made fun of Ramtha, h...

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I asked a student why they keep believing if none of the predictions happen and change every month. The excuse I was given is, Ramtha is just saying that stuff to get the students prepared for whats really coming. I say, if he is lying about one thing, that means he is lying about everything then? S...

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Why didnt Ramtha tell us this during the 17 hour stream?

Why would Ramsters keep this a secret, dont you think they should call the White House? At least tell their friends in Yelm?

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3 new predictions were given last night.That's all I know. My friends were very secretive about it. I used to be like that to when non current students asked me questions about an event.

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If you seduce him, or get him thru your looks, or any body mind conciousness, he will leave you. Because in the animal kingdom a male is just with a female when she is in heat, so the same for "animal" conciousness. Not only that, but he will be with a fat woman too, after he leaves you, a...

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How come noone sees a woman on stage acting like a guy? Isnt that proof enough? Your eyes? Everyone else sees a woman too. Why not listen: The ancient accent- in Ramtha's voice-- is all wrong --many times, you hear the "r"s of a Tacoma housewife..but you cant trust your hearing. No humans ...

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Lab, I just asked a current student if what you said was true. She said that S. Klein is very gay, and how he flirts with the young male students too. Takes them on trips. With female mom present. I know just being gay does not make you a molester. I am not accusing him of that. That's what she told...

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The way it is being sold is..somehow..if you pay 200$..you and Ramtha will be having brain sex.

Let's see if this is what really will happen. Or its just more BS promises.

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I do remember Ramtha teaching on how some people will be "lifted off" but it will not be their conscious selves. That was one teaching. Another "teaching" -(I do not know why I keep using that term, when its more like BS.) was..I do remember Ramtha warning us, when this saving of...

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This is the description I heard it was going to be about: The significance of the coming weekend is to be “entangled” with Ramtha’s mind and teachings to lay a pathway for your future. That is the importance of a Master Teacher. Survival is to the fittest; the fittest are the ones most enlightened. ...

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OH MY GOD. That is so funny. Because I do know a girl, she is very into Ramtha and kind of a fanatic. I mean, a real fanatic. It's sad because we were friends, once,, anyways, she is all over OSHO too. She ordered all these books. I would love to email her this link and see what she says. But alas, ...

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One said they personally witnessed Jz had daily vitamin injections. I said Daily? Even B12 you cant get everyday, so I wonder what they were. Jz as "Ramtha" talking to James, bit her lip flirtaciously, like a woman. She said this was a warning sign. Only women do that. Why would "Ramt...

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Yes Ockham. The beginner retreats do not get to see Ramtha. Or maybe they don't want to spring Ramtha on beginners just yet, they want to wait-- to then show who this Ramtha is. I spoke to someone --who believes-- at best-- JZ is channeling her higher self. I say we all are our higher selves. So the...

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I went out to lunch with someone who was a back in the beginning RSE student. This woman also worked for JZ and what she told me I will save for another thread. She was in a relationship with someone, a female, who worked for Ramtha. Ramtha had told this woman, publicly and privately, they shouldn't...

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I am so done with all apocalyptic groups. I really do not ever want to be associated with the Ramtha School of Enlightenment. It's potential-- -- is so dangerous. JZ addicted to chemicals, alcohol, Prozac, daily injections and now 5 hour energy drinks.. I really believe at times she blacks out and i...

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--sorry I could not edit, Ramtha used to tell her students, I mean his students-- that JZ Knight was Lilly Langtrey in a past life!

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Ramtha used to tell the students she was Lilly Langtrey! An Actress.

It was hard finding a photo that fits 200 by 300.

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I have noticed Ramtha slur her words a bit. Not from alcohol. But it reminded me of those on drugs. It would make sense now. What a trip- you forgot the prozac in there. I think the downside to her "channeling" all night on the 5 hour energy drinks is that it also makes you nutty. The Sund...

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My friend who is in the school finally sees the light, She is a student, I showed this to her and she said to me, "RSE also sells Coca Cola, jesus f---g Christ. Now this f---g junk ass food! I am telling you, we live in a commercial world that has also contaminated an ancient school of wisdom. ...

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I got an email from the school, I am still on their email list.. they come as photos so I am not able to cut and paste and post any content of theirs, unless I post the whole photo. I wish I can upload the photo, but I cannot here, on this forum, I can only give photo urls. it was sent as an email s...

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Biofeedback, is that new age science? What is that? So those kind of scientists studied Ramtha? Thats all BS omg John Stossel did a show on channelers called the power of belief. In it they took a guy and he was trained to be a fake channel via earphones, guided by someone who knows how to manipulat...

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Bicycle cards only and they have to be covered. That was the last new rule I heard with my own eyes. To be a master of cards. Of course beginners can use any cards I am sure. Maybe it changed since last year.. Then everyone hit all the stores and ate up all the bicycle cards. Stacks of bicycle cards...

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Since students have to cover the cards with white card, noone is coming up and testing to be a master because it can't be done. That video is old. Why do you think they have bright lights on? SO they can see every single mark and scratch. Smileys, candles, and R cards, not used anymore. Now you have...

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First it was the smiley cards, then it was the candle, then it was the R cards, then all those were banished because you could tell up from down. So then they came out with two r's opposite sides, up and down, so you couldnt tell. Then one day Mitja got up on stage last year, and said people are map...

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I am not sure you guys heard, but there was a lady who lost her buried gold in Yelm. She was very rich and buried real gold in her backyard by a tree. She had a few friends. One day she went to dig it up and it was gone. She had accused students of the school of remote viewing it. One girl happened ...

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I have some news. A half half student came to me and said You are not going to believe what Ramtha did at the last event. He charged 200 for a Q and A and then refused to answer any questions, he just said YOU GUYS KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS Was this the event? I bet you there was stupid questions anyways...

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Channels jealous of one another. The lady that channels ABRAHAM, Esther Hicks...Ramtha said that she used to go to the school--she was one of her students.. and implied that she left and copied Ramtha somehow. Went on to be a big channel on her own. How dare she? Ramtha then went on to say that you ...

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Why would JZ Knight go against what Wrongtha says about the coming times? JZ went on stage, and pretended she had no speech skills, umming alot and giggling. She said that Edgar Cayce remote viewed Atlantis would rise again in the Bahamas. But she said WELL, Maybe what he saw was a commercial for AT...

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I used to take the beginners course, alot over the years,. Remote viewing is a basic discipline where you try to see what the other person drew and match it. We are given questions Like "Draw something on a farm" " Something you do when you wake up in the morning" " A number...

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The last I heard Ramtha talking about aliens is when he said Grey Aliens were computers. This year. In my notes. Why did Ramtha leave that out of his ufo book, that's out of print? Ufos and the Nature of Reality by Ramtha Knight. In the book Ramtha says when we masterbate in the shower and sperm fal...

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That should be clean and clear that Ramtha is BS. To plainly say JUNE 15th , JZ said that, and then Ramtha predicted before the end of April. I heard it clean and clear. By June 15th Japan was supposed to have been gone by then, by human hands, no less..man made earthquake.. and the Pacific will ha...

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Ex -you are so funny. Yes. Why do you think so many students who die want to be reincarnated in new students babies? Ramtha said at one event he waits until the child is ten years old before he tells the parents who was reincarnated BACK into the school. Because what RSE is doing is just so advanced...

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Ramtha said aliens are not interested in us, why should they be? We are not evolved. To be lifted off you have to be able to see the cards. Otherwise you will be left behind. I heard this myself. It didnt feel good to feel worthless. All we care about is what we look like. So petty. We humans are ju...

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When S.R. came back as a pink orb in a photo ( when his pregnant daughter asked if he would be coming back, thru her, as a boy or a girl-then took photo, looking for the answer) his daughter did say she was taking photos for two days. So communicating with orbs doesnt happen in one photo consistentl...

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I told someone who does filming for the school that none of the Ramsters are excited about the Royal Wedding, they thought it was beneath them. She then told me, Prince Charles was on the waiting list to see Ramtha in the 80s. I asked how do you know this, she said the staff told her. And that Princ...

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Yes Ockham they look alike. Speaking of Past Lives- I remember Ramtha once talked about QUeen Marie Antoinette and how she had said "Let them eat cake". Well I do know she never said that. It's a myth. "The phrase commonly misattributed to Marie Antoinette." Anyone who taught Fre...

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It is confirmed folks, all of it. I showed these quotes around to people who were there or taped the entire 17 hours. Yet it is taken out of context. Wrongtha is talking to the government, and to the pope when he is saying all those crazy angry things. So yes, the person is correct who posted these....

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As far as the other quotes- I must say that Rambles goes on and on and its possible he said all of that. He talks for 17 hours straight about nonsense. Half sentences. He likes to throw big words around. Its impossible to hear everything he says, and most people only hear what they want to hear, an...

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I can confirm these...for sure “You stupid assholes, FUCK YOU, you pathetic fools can’t even hear what I am really saying” People laughed “Fruits and vegetables, fuck that. Fill your bunkers with preservatives –Twinkies and chocolate cake. The food of the immortals.” “Chemicals are good” “Eat a Twi...

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If Wrongtha tells you, while you are outside, that there is a UFO alien mothership above you all.. what do you think? Do you A. Say to yourself, there is a mothership above us, I believe, but I cannot see it because man cannot conceive all the levels of reality..but Wrongtha can. So he is right. B. ...

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I can confirm Wrongtha said that. But to me I heard JZ say, Forgive me Father, for what I am about to do. But If you are smart enough to know Ramtha is not a god, then you are smart enought to know he is no devil either. Okham- JZ showed up drunk last night too at the school, when its a rule you can...

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Ramtha did not see the Tsunami in Japan. Did Wrongtha see where Osama was and call the White House? NO Did Wrongtha see the supercell storms that killed many people just last week? NO of course not. Last night when Wrongtha was on stage he needed facts and asked his flunkies for what was the name of...

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I know because I was there. But it is really hard for me to get to my friends & relatives in the school OUT OF IT. I try so hard and come up with all the reasons why this whole thing is fiction. They bring up the scientists and university that proved Ramtha was real. Yeah right I say, people foo...

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Last night Ramtha told everyone that Linda Evans was Madame Du Barry, in a past life . A courtesan of "one of the Henrys". I actually am starting to feel bad for JZ. It doesn't matter what Wrongtha says, people will just go on believing. No matter how incoherent, drunk or nonsense, half se...

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I looked up Vera but I couldnt find any quotes by her. Could you be more specific and quote her for me? I want to see exactly what has been plagiarized.

My letter to Judith: I never saw so much money, made by a woman- by deception.

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God you are so smart Okham. You are correct. That was great reply.

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Well Judy is a woman, most cult leaders are men. Would a woman do the same thing, tell people to kill themselves? You know during the last stream I saw where she brought Father Mihael on stage to tell everyone Jesus was a wine drunk, Rampuss looked at him and said, FATHER I NEED YOU TO FORGIVE ME FO...

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Rampuss also said that when JZ broke up with her boyfriend, I assume this was James, he went, But you cant break up with me, you are my spiritual teacher! and JZ told him to f-- off. The audience roared. Thats pretty humiliating. Especially if it is not true. / Also one night, my partner told me the...

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Rampuss said the first quake was real but the next big one will be man made to bury the problem. Now, why would the powers that be do that, when it would wash away California? So losing California is ok compared to nuclear radiation all over the world? Maybe. I caught this. Rampuss seemed very sure ...

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Thats what I said. I was in disbelief. WHATATRIP... You probably cannot ask for your money back either. I know I paid for a seat and when Xmas came, I was not allowed in the arena, seating was full. But I paid for seat I said. The guard looked at me and said no. I had waited too long to buy my ticke...

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Oh my god, I am going to watch this now, thanks. WOW.

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I was thinking out loud. The orbs comment you made made me think of the book..then of the other teachers.. Sorry. Yes. I have the orbs book, I didnt read it. I did an orb class and no photo was taken of me with any orbs. It would make sense that when people are dancing, the orb videos show lots of a...

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WOW its so sad that brilliant minds and people with Ivy League degrees are throwing their minds out the window. When things go bad and school falls apart, Their names will forever be linked to a cult, which is what they will be known as in retrospect. And it will be very hard for them to be taken se...

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I almost forgot this. He said, in his 17 hour stream...that the powers that be, will sink Japan, in a fake earthquake, because sinking Japan is the "only way to fix the problem". I was not the only one who heard this so its confirmed he said this. So when the next big one comes that sinks ...

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My friends from Yelm, bought a one-on-one, it was well over 20 grand. They still are waiting for their one on one. 14 months ago. I think they are too afraid of asking. But they are really pissed. You can't piss off a god though. I heard a cd from one. Anybody else? Someone asked Ram what they were ...

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We attributed every 'good' thing to ramtha, and every 'bad' thing to our inadequacy.....

Well said.

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I ask this of students. They say: HE DID! ( 10 years ago he said a sentence that Japan will sink, or 5 years ago he said, watch the winds from Japan once) Because it had to happen in order for us to change. ( I do not know what this means) Ramtha just wants us to change. That is why he didnt tell us...

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I have a very bad feeling of where the school is headed. Something weird or bad is bound to happen, with all the students panicking of the days to come. There is a very dark conspiracy tone going in all Ram's latest talk. I just want to be far away from this. I know I am on here, enlightenmefree.com...

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Wake up the movie was about a guy who could see spirits. He filmed a documentary and went to RSE, as one of his stops to explain his phenomenon. The school had a screening at Yelm Cinema and it was packed of course. But the only thing was, the guy totally made fun of RSE and his students, totally ha...

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Penn and Teller are great. You can watch their show about survivalists and the guy who has the UG the fire department shut down, or about 2012

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/comedy/

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The students think the CIA is enfatuated with them. That the Cia believes in the Ram. That they know he is real. That somehow Cia bob was hired to assassinate JZ, but after he heard her he became a loyal follower.

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And I have also seen Mike Wright enjoy taco bar at Puerto Vallarta. Ram has long preached to only eat the foods that you pick out of the ground yourself. Never I mean, never eat any food that is FDA approved and avoid restaurants like the plague. Always eat organic. And do not drink bottled water. O...

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I think it has to do with Jz faking Ramtha better when she is drunk. Once at the end of the event "Ramtha" said, to audience... Did you like tonight, how I didn't break character for 9 hours? and everyone roared. I didnt think about that until later. What does that mean? Maybe its easier w...

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Appealing and Kensho, I agree too. The school attracts people who want to make more money, gamble and win, see the cards in a casino with the mind..like magic, you get that which you desire by doing something ancient people in secret societies did. But when you pay and are there ready to learn, you ...

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Keep in mind this is assuming none of us will live. We will die --but our sperm and egg will be preserved in a time capsule of sorts. Like, I cannot live because of the solar flares and floods, but you, yes my sperm , you must go on.. So future advance people, in "paradise" will find us an...

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WHY WOULD JZ ROSE CARRY THESE?? HMM Ayn Rand said this about SPIRITUALISM and MYSTICS: The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap. Faith is the worst curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought. The alleged short-cut to knowledge, whic...

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Do not give up. Do not give up. People have minds. If you present your evidence, the truth..the only truth. Jz is not Ramtha. Slowly they will question it. They will see. Hey what about all the times Ram was wrong? Remember those? How come he said this, and it never happened? Do you know that there ...

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Freemysoul- yes. This girl who I sat with my very first event told me a joke. How can you tell a new RSE student? They still have money. Yes. Its so sad. People should use their brains and think about what will make them happier and do it. I should have done this. There is no such thing as MAGIC. I ...

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The gist of the last stream, was to help each other . Its not fair for some people who have too much stuff and others nothing. Help each other GUYS.. That was the whole Gist. People pay money to see a channeled entity say that. That to me, was completely the opposite of a month ago Ram telling every...

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Some I can think of are, when I ask: Jz gave a scholarship, she must be good. I have seen things, that make me believe. Jz treats her kids well, so she must be good. I "allow" you to be you, Now you "allow" me to be me. It's "My truth" But to me, none of that means Ramt...

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Jz shouldn't be getting sick, if she is Ram's Number one. Magic one. Jz can't even heal her dear friend who died, she instead, on stage, blamed her for herself dying. Everyone knew who she was talking baout, Egyptian Queen, Jz said she tried to heal her tumors, when all of a sudden, JZ started getti...

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Remember in the WHITE BOOK, The "Ram" went to go live in the cities of his enemies. So he could learn about them, be one of them. That is the reason, according to students I have asked that question to. So the entire Ram army is here quitely, unnoticed, hidden and secret, amongst our enemi...

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Jz in her speech, said, I don't leave my body a thousand times and not comer back being psychic. This is JZ talking, not "Ramtha". They had a remote viewer who " was so impressed with the students, he had to come back twice" Anyways, the school asked all the students to remote vi...

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Ok Robair. It was longer than 5 though and I wasnt able to write to you either. I tried many many times. I even waited. I restarted computer too. It might have been my computer.

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When I brought it up, as soon it was in the news, people, close to Ramtha, said they heard of that a week ago prior, they were just hoping it died away with noone hearing about it. Nobody knows about this. This never got out. I only know because I used to have Ramtha google alerts. I am having probl...

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Good point. People are so happy after spending 100 grand at the school, to have an "experience" that lasts maybe 5 seconds. Nothing can be proved, and nothing came out of it, but maybe a feather or an "experience" they swear happened because of the school, at best questionable. I...

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You are so smart, Okham. And you write pretty well. I am very impressed with your thoughts.

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If U die and you are a student, it was your fault. Jz said herself on stage when talking about trying to heal her friend who had cancer. SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO DIE. No, JZ Your healing discipline doesn't work. I do not want to create problems for the school. I won't be on this board long. I just n...

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I broke down and cried when I came out. I laid in the mud and cried.. Just the thought of losing my baby really hurt me to the bone. I had failed and knew it. I failed because I did something wrong. I didnt leave my body. I didnt see infrared. I was there from morning to 6 pm. Blindfolded. During th...

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OKHAM Yes I know! I watched Jesse Ventura's show about the Denver Airport. There Ram was talking about it the week after. Everyone gasped. How does Ram know this?? He saw it on tv. Apparently he watches tv. I love how Ram used to love Obama. Then later, as well as internet conspiracy sites, he was b...

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He is someone I read when I was younger. I remember poetry about goddesses and this red scarlett lady he was in love with.

He defecated in front of a dalai lama or something?

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I look at all the 20 year students . They are not rich. I ask them how much they spent at RSE. About $200,000 in donations, books, cds, workshops, events, emergency meetings, and clothing. And the poor ones around $100,000. My boyfriend alone has donated more than all of that in gambling winnings. T...

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Good point.

I am enlightened for being bamboozled, because now I know the truth.

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Please tell me everything you know about him. CD

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My Favorite is the second one. OH MY GOD

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Explain to me what was done?

I was told the Cia have these measurements and that "they all cant believe" the energy coming from the school

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WHAT THE BLEEP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

http://youtu.be/Ui41l_-yMuM
http://youtu.be/P4jn9A6Mft8
http://youtu.be/YKLfCbPVH5Y
http://youtu.be/6ounCkdmANI
http://youtu.be/vDoaKHpbsFs

There are more parts too, I think you can find all the rest of them on your own.

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I saw Stubblebine and Laibow. They seemed like very paranoid people. Stubblebine said and was corrected by SteveK that he thought they were coded, on their plane tickets when they flew, to be pulled aside and searched. It turns out Steve worked in airport and said the code meant something really har...

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That shows you that Ram didnt know about any abuse, that the girl had sent JZ a letter informing her. Then in front of everyone, publicly, you call him out? Like in front of a mob? Humiliate the girl too. Now everyone knows. I know of people who say they have been accused of child molestation and th...

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I have heard of a woman in the school who went to a How to Channel your guide course somewhere in NY and then came back to the school, channeling all these strange beings, including Ramtha. It was just superstitious gossip though. Went crazy. Was told not to channel. That Jz isnt Channeling, That so...

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I have a drunk girlfriend of mine push me into Ramtha's arms and ask him to watch over me. I felt his robe on my skin. I didn't feel any warmth, just embarrassment. He said I always do. But it felt empty and cold too. I have felt that too. Indifference. I have not been in the school long either. Gro...

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Hi Dove. How are yo? Yes I saw that live too. I actually taped it on my cellphone, that same blip, to show people how drunk she was, that part, it was too much. All the comments are disabled. I know someone who taped the entire 17 hours. Even the parts that were edited out. About Twinkies and Jz's l...

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I remember when Ram would stop, and say "there is a big Mother ship over the ranch right now", then the DJ would play the theme song from "Close Encounters of the Third kind", the dance mix, and we'd all dance.

Anyone else remember?

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I always wondered about that, why they took debit cards. When the LWOTT book says its the sign of devil. I have heard alot of that stuff before, I used to go on conspiracy websites. In fact, I heard alot of things at the ranch after seeing in on the internet. Ram says conspiracy people, those who li...

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He said we abused the truth? He said also that we ruined his disciplines on the field, by wanting know the time, by being impatient and that is why he almost stopped the card discipline, because Mitja spoke out about his "puuuritty" and how aliens dont want us, they dont want us because wh...

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There is a volcano here.

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You know, anyone can write an article about Ram's BS and post it free on places like Ezines, Goarticles, Bukisia etc. Or submit to a blog. Why not right?

I would make a video talking about it. I have pretty much said everything on this site though. It would just be a rehash of anger

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I dont like making fun of good people, but if you ask me, I would feel weird about breastfeeding my father. Wouldnt that be weird, having your baby be your father figure? Are they going to tell this little girl that, she is her mom's dad. Would her mom treat her like she treats her own father? Ask h...

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It belonged to Jz Knight before. It was from Miami. A weekend that the Ex-President of the USA- John F Kennedy and the Famous Marilyn Monroe , had sex on. From Fontainebleau Hotel. He spent a fortune on it, buying it from Jz, who also spent a fortune on it, supposedly. It was old and blue leather an...

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California Dreaming

I met someone who Ramtha said, in her past life, was kind of like a prostitute, in his great army, was that you? Maybe we met before in school. WOW. That's a great past life, so honorable. Or maybe there other whores and dancers for his army here in the school now.

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Mike Wright does this thing at beginners events where he points up at the sky and a camera goes off. He says, my future self could be looking at me from up there and points to the sky. Once in Italy he did this, someone took a photo, and then they displayed it--yes, and there was an orb where he was...

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Appealing-- People think Ramtha is god. I say, Ramtha does not have the say so on who lives and dies. He is not God. The reply, MAYBE HE IS. But he has been wrong. He said 15 of you at this table will die this year, at a feast, 15 people at this event will die this year. That hasnt happened! I tell ...

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Thank you WOLF I would like to take personal responsibility for what happened. I was at fault. But I had to go down this road, to find truth. You have to hit the wall to see it. The truth is, there is none ---in any of this RAMTHA BS! Follow the money, all the failed predictions, all the nonsense, b...

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I am so sorry. I was your mother once. I live with someone who sleeps in Rams robes after I share my doubts. Who makes a good argument that Ram is real by "personal experience" which isnt truth. I do know many 20 years students, who to me, seem to think its BS but when you question them, t...

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This never happened to me, but I have heard so many stories. Some are private and my friends, but these I can talk about. If you have or know of a story, please share. I was listening to an old teaching at friends house. Ram called out a woman once. I am sure you just wrote about this. About a few h...

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I wonder who the next boyfriend of Jz will be.

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This is all over the internet?

And I thought Ram could see his darkest secrets when on stage he made him confess it.

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I have heard before There is no shelter for evil.
Thats what this post reminds me of. I think that is what you are trying to say.

We can judge others. And be judged ourselves.

There is good and there is bad.

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Appealing-

Penn and Tellers show making fun of people who believe in the Apocalypse is here. I laughed so hard.

Just press play, you dont have to sign up for anything, just press the green arrow

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=V2RUW7K2

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Yes. I agree with you guys. I said in the other thread that Ram gave a reason why we need Ugs in the last stream, is because in Dec. 2012, there will be the solar flare, of all flares..and all the hungry people from Seattle will come to kill us for our food and water. He said you dont know what its ...

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Pheonix Rising is the new School at Rse, with new physical school, Opening in 2012. By the name I take it,its going to rise from the ashes of 2012 destruction. Ram said he is 1000% behind this school, in the ads for it. They just moved their location from the back of 89th ave to some new place by a ...

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Ramtha officially said the reason you need UG is in 2012 when the solar flare hits, all the zombies from Seattle will have made their way here, after no food for days, they will kill for food and water, thats when you go underground, not before.

He said that last stream.

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The guy held up baby on stage and asked him, and Ram marched right by him. The little girl nervously laughed. Then the guy followed him and asked again. Ram stalled. played with his hair, then turned, pointed at her and said " LIONESS!". Dramatically, Then the guy was like, what? LI-on-nes...

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At the last Blue College my girlfriend came to me and said RSE is now saving eggs and sperm of students to PRESERVE us in case anything happens. This would be if you wanted to "preserve" your evolved DNA into the future. Because students are so evolved. That we can shoot evolved dna into t...

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Thanks CD

I really believed when I was in there that my child would be evolved.

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Another reason they think Ram is real, is personal experience. They see him in infrared, talk to him in dreams, etc. I have heard " I have seen too many things to doubt"

Personal experience is not truth, which is the opposite of what the school teaches.

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Ramtha says if you want to be skinny, here and now, in this lifetime, in the next life you come back, you will be black and starving in Africa. Like a starving Ethiopian. I started eating everything then.

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CD Wow that is beautiful and so sad at the same time. So sorry you were disappointed. The explanation people give for disciplines not working is that you are in your yellow brain. You are swinging. Not focused. Monkey mind. That's what I was told. Its my fault. Maybe now its snowing for Ed? Maybe th...

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California dreaming- If you noticed the live stream was available all week, after it, but it was carefully edited. I guess the staff at RSE thought only some parts of Ramtha's stream should be seen and not. Or maybe it was too long, but people were pissed because they wanted to see everything. Greg ...

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I was told a few times, that Ram's bands extend so far out that whenever there is an event with Ram, helicopters fly over and record this energy that extends out into the sky , when Ram appears. A few times Ram has said they are being watched and CIA records everything. Also some people see vans wit...

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Yes I was there It was specific Ram said Jz would die in March 2011. Everyone was freaking out. Then when it didnt happen, I questioned my girlfriend who said that Jz changed her "timeline". Jz didnt want to die so she fixed it. Nice. Smooth. Another NEW date JZ gave was JUNE 15th. The tid...

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Pavlo in England was Oscar Wilde

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To answer question Well yes, we are going outside space and time, ignoring this life, grass is greener..where Ram supposedly lives, then blowing what we want into it. Somehow that will make it appear in our lives. And I do know people who left their children and wives for the school. They believed i...

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So he is challenging us NOT to identify him? I don't get it.

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According to Ramtha: Mata Hari is alive and well in our midst. Even Jz's dog, used to be Sea Biscuit. Mihael used to be related to Jesus. I think his twin brother! Garofalo used to be this big famous general in Ram's army. I haven't been long in the school at all. But this is what I have heard so fa...

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You cant hide from RAMTHA

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It might snow too, in December, and be white.

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When Ed Wiltsie died, the message he gave to Jz to give to a friend of mine was WHITE SNOW DECEMBER. He also told JZ, from the dead, that 30 years has passed. When Egyptian Queen died the message she gave to JZ to give to her husband was, PLEASE BURY MY ASHES ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY there is more, bu...

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I remember hearing JZ on stage

who spoke to Sir Robert AFTER HE DIED,

and he confessed to her how he died, by this water machines and he feels bad and wants everyone to know he is sorry for selling these. And not to buy one.

Did you guys get that?

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Speaking of superstition, I heard that Kenny could see Ramtha's shadows about JZ speaking. That the more he does his discipline, he can now work in Ultraviolet, instead of just infrared..and that Ram said, Kenny would be the only student to see him. I believed that, I heard it from someone who heard...

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CD- That is a strange story.

Las Vegas wow. Brown Wig. Who knows?

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No, but RSE is definitely superstitious. The students all tell tales of levitating tarps, trucks that appeared on the field. The stories about JZ are even crazier that she cant have any disease, and scientists all over are fascinated with her..that Bill Clinton came to see her and she refused, troll...

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Reaction from the students I spoke with was that she attracted this to her by her thoughts.

And to prove it, they said a year previous, her mobile home caught on fire! Must be thoughts. You create reality.

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I saw the whole thing. I couldn't believe it, one hour of twinkie talk, another hour or two on when Jz got confused by Penny Marshall by Oprah who Ram called "Black Bitch"

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I am dealing with the same thing.

I was there when Ram insulted my boyfriend 5 times on stage. Told me to leave him. I stood by him.

Lets see if he sticks by me, now that I think its all been BS

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My friend was blindfolded and said he saw in infrared -a black guy with long dreadlocks, real ugly looking giant dude come bend over and look at him.

I say this with a smirk on my face.

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I always heard Jz as ram, slur her words, and I wasn't aware of her drinking on stage. I mean, like downer like. Anyone else?

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Thanks guys. I am free. I am. Its nice. WHEW

Now what do I now?

I am in Yelm with a beautiful child with another student?

We shall see.

I am just going to focus on reading fiction again. Being a mother, working hard instead of blowing and wishing.

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Alot of times I have heard Ram talk for hours about intimate details of JZs sex life. That James never made her orgasm. That she had ribs sticking out and he told her to lose weight. He broke her heart. But then JEFF KNIGHT still haunts her mansion..Said Jz loves her students so much she cannot have...

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You guys are great. I have been posting in all the other threads, too. Thanks so much.

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Yes Marie- that scared me about coming here, I thought lightning did strike the guys house and it was Ram who did it. I am so stupid!

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I was pregnant and I fell off a ladder on my bum and started crying. It was raining and I slid off top rung. I was not given sympathy by guards when I just needed it that moment. It was very cold. I thought I had failed and let emotions take over or something. Why did I go in? I was told its good fo...

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My experience with Cards I was doubtful the whole time and fought with my best friend who could read them. I knew she was mapping. I had done it myself. In fact I proved to my partner once I could do it, I picked out (easy ones) ones with scratch and memorized 5 in ten minutes. Then I called the tea...

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I saw this stream. It was a comedy show. She blasted Ayn Rand, whose books JZ ROSE sells. I noticed that. She spoke about a communist utopia, and she is the green tea party and everyone should be equal and health and child care for everyone for free. It felt to me, that JZ read her book and wanted t...

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I showed this book to a dark matter scientist. He read it and said it was BS. I never questioned it before. Even if it isnt true, I cannot prove it. I figured if its in a book, like the ORBS book and someone who is educated wrote it, it must be true. Its a beautiful Idea though. But why cant anyone ...

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Thank you, it is so nice to hear nice people who understand what I have been through. Yes we live in a strange place. I feel we all are reaching for some philosophy of how to be. I hear its necessary to live, that one must have a philosophy. What do I reach for next, the opposite? No, I don't want t...

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Just so you know, I wouldn't wish CPS on anyone. Now that I am outside looking in, I can say its not appropriate for children, wine ceremonies. People have sex with each other in the woods. Some of these little girls I met have very loving families. They are all just are caught up in this whole fant...

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I was at a wine ceremony,the music blasting. 10 kids sat on my stuff, they refused to get up. It was fine, I just sat in the back room. There are definitely kids there. The little beautiful girls all wear princess dresses and made to look like medieval costumes and stuff. It looks fun, but being aro...

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I told my story somewhere else about me trying to get Ram to name my baby. I stood at door and he said the father was a loser and humiliated him 5 times on stage. In front of all my friends and peers. I heard Ram name another baby. The last stream I saw. LIONESS was the name Ramtha gave the baby. Th...

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I am sorry if this has been posted. I seen this, and well, it really bothered me. I was pregnant and came to Ramtha and he told me my baby's father was a loser. Anyways, When staff or their kids, get pregnant its like a huge holy deal. Its been said by JZ on stage: Sir Robert is reincarnated in his ...

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JZ told a friend of mine, that she has a machine that can talk to dead people and that Ed Wiltsie had an important message to pass to my friend. The message was three words: Snow December White. ( message from the dead) I am not writing this to gossip. I just want to say, December came and went and ...

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I remember filling out a form when I was at an event and I grossly exaggerated because I knew it would make the school look good. I was told that is what it was for.

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The more I read this the more angry I get. I mean, you could say I signed up voluntarily for some real exciting sci fi doomsday fiction. But its more like I fell for lies. I don't know why I believed I was privy to the truth. Real information. I thought Ramtha was outside of time. I was stupid. This...

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I read this and it really scared me. I remember Ramtha said if you dream of seeing an alien, you have been seeded. That is what happened to me, I had a dream I saw an alien.

SO I thought...could my baby, in real life, be alien?

Can you believe how stupid I was? I am so embarrassed.

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Yes I was putting alot of trust moving to Yelm, with a VOLCANO out my window. But that wasnt anywhere in the doom and gloom so I knew I was somehow safe. Protected.

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When I first found out, by myself, that Ram was BS...I was so happy. I mean, it opened up the future to me. One where none of that horrible stuff was going to happen. I dont know why more students see the beauty is letting this go. The freedom, that ones future is not going to be so terrible. I read...

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I heard Ram is 1000% behind the new Phoenix school opening up in 2012.

That is funny to me. I see your point.

When paradise is here.

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I know desperate people who are just burying boxcars with one door. I know a lady who is selling bunk beds in hers at 10 grand each. Its a big big business in Yelm. Right now, everyone wants one and very few experts. What I do know 3 UGS were broken into last year and food stolen. They torched their...

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I agree. You would think at least Jz would live that long. She wears a wig and has plastic surgery, I feel bad saying that, because I do not like insulting any woman. But It doesnt make sense, how are you going to look in 200 years if you cant hold it together for 60? I dont want to be hurtful. But ...

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I just saw this interview with a solar physicist who says that we have nothing to fear from solar flares. We get hit all the time by them. Our atmosphere can handle it. We get bombarded by huge ones and nothing happens.

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I noticed how the school downplayed the radiation. Because that is real and there is no money in that. But coming doom, OH YES!

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I remember Ram saying YOU DONT KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE WHEN THESE PEOPLE ( zombies from Seattle who will kill for food) TAKE YOUR CHILD AND KILL THEM IN FRONT OF YOU NOONE EVER MADE A HORROR MOVIE ABOUT THE PACIFIC HUNTING YOU DOWN I had nightmares. Then I thought, for the first time, Its BS. Its all BS.

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At the end of the last stream, the Q and A

Ram said
None of this may happen

That was his closing statement.

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Greg Hale just died of suicide after attending a Ramtha Feast. I was told Ram said some of you will die at this table. I got the impression the suicide is girlfriend related, but still. You just dont know what caused it. There is that young kid, I never knew, who slit his wrists in his car. He was a...

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I have boxes of Coral Calcium, what else do I not need?

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I witnessed "grabbing of the balls" just recently. He told this guy M to dance with a married woman and for her to grab his ass. Told him to love a woman without it being sexual. He is in relationship too with someone else. I would be scared to not do as JZ says, on stage , in front of eve...

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I had asked someone about enlightenmefree.com I was told the guy who runs this website had his house hit by lightning. I believed this.

Can anyone tell me if this is true.

They said his computer was fried.

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Thank You Ex. I was thinking life would be pretty empty in Yelm, faking it. Everywhere you go there are Ramtha posters. My housekeeper put up framed Ramtha pictures on my wall today and I didnt have the guts to tell her to take them down. Blue Stars, Shiva. My house looks just like the arena. I even...

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Wow

I am so sorry about your sister.

My friend Greg Hale, just committed suicide a few weeks ago. He was at a Ramtha Feast like a week before. I was told Ram said some of you at this table will die.

I always wondered. But you cant know.

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Thank you. I forgot to mention also, that her hairdresser who is now dead from cancer, used to weave her wigs. Twice a week, she wove Jz's hair. Its this really expensive technique and real expensive hair. Now why would JZ not have any hair? or Bald patches? I asked and noone could give me an answer...

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I absolutely love this board. I am going to try to read every single post. I want to share my story. I guess you could say I was a little abused. I hope this is the right section. A few good things happened to me, like I left a kind of sad life in --- to Yelm, where I met and moved in with a great m...

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