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JZ Knight?s future remote-view to Dave Ross during a live Radio interview in September of last year comes true. Full Story JZ Knight?s future remote-view to Dave Ross during a live radio interview on September of last year comes true. Listen to JZ Knight's interview with Dave Ross on KIRO 710 Radio ...

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Australia Workshop with Ramtha
12/07/08

OPEN TO THE PUBLIC!

Aussiegirl: warning Will Rogers!

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Sept 28, 2008 "Water system concerns dismissed" "Concerns expressed by Tahoma Terra developers about JZ Knight?s water system were reviewed and dismissed by the state Department of Health." [ED. NOTE: This writer found the front page, sensational headlines in the Nisqually Valley...

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October 3, 2008 Nisqually Valley News publisher/editor Graves says that my words printed in his newspaper last Friday to fellow Yelm Chamber members were "not-so-thinly-veiled threats to personalize local businesses". The title of his editorial was "Debate is good, threats aren't.&quo...

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I HOPE she's thinking "I've been in Yelm all of one week and it's all already falling down around me!! Drat!".... she is NOT thinking that. She is thinking, "i KNEW I came to the right place! We are mavericks and I am on this bus for the entire ride!" I would not be surprised if...

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you know what? when we get to this point, in debate, and the old father gets chastised, I think think Father Knows Best. JZ Knight, does NOT respond herself. S he is big fricking chicken in Mexi sauce. One time, she told me if she could do NOTHING else, she could wrap bows and make enchiladas. True ...

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?I have no intention in listening to small minds,? said James Flick, Knight?s companion and RSE property manager. ?I?m not going to waste my time listening to people complain about being a victim.? ?Cult is a nasty little four-letter word that people like to call others they don?t agree with.? 1) h...

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WEll, I can't say what the current RSE students are actually "seeing". I have not heard that Kenny has stood up and said, "yes, I have seen Ramtha." I just know that the brainwashing is so rampant that the students are delusional as to what is it they are actually seeing. I am se...

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Every report I have ever heard of someone seeing "Ramtha" has always been JZ as "Ramtha" stating that so and so saw him (JO, Blue Body and now Kenny is just "starting" to see ). The one time JZ as Ramtha telling a story about James "seeing" him and then lookin...

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the Legacy Teachings for those that are not familiar: The Legacy teachings were to be the teachings that "Ramtha" gave to his people in his last 120 days before he ascended 35,000 years ago. All his secret stuff. I recall thinking at that point, "wow. just get these cd's (even if I c...

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I know of a person who wants to remain anonymous at this time, who was at such meetings for years. The person told me directly that (for one example) the Legacy Teachings were all decided and planned out in advance in said meetings. At one point, it was decided (by JZ, of course) that it was time t...

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Another Dimension- not to take any questions away from Glen, but I have a few answers. Where did the idea for "the tank" come from? I know JO did a fair amount of research on Rosicrucian designs dealing with "sacred" tests. Were you part of staff meetings in which what to do next...

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Marie- I am very sad to hear of this news with your mother. Gosh, what else does one say? On the one alcoholic- like hand, I am happy for you. on the hand of the daughter, it is a very very sad step. I personally know that path of moving to Yelm. As far as your sister, I am happy for you she had the...

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I think what is apparent in these videos is that there is no pre-text or agenda for malice against JZ. Same thing as what I feel I have conveyed in my writing about my emergence from RSE. What is really great about these videos are names of people, used just in passing, that hopefully get some very ...

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Is everyone on staff just so honored to be on staff that they've tossed out their critical thinking and blindly sign the waiver??? no. One's critical thinking is LONG gone before anyone signs a waiver. Think, for instance, how long your critical thinking was askew-staff or not staff. Matters not. I...

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FACT: JZ Knight claimed to have channeled Jesus, since the sessions in 1981.

White Wind Weaver's lawyers DEFINITELY needed some former students input and should have been on
the advisory cousel.

JZ.wow. you Lied.

uh....this the first time???

(only if you can get away with it)

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there is a waiver upon becoming a staff member that states this

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Just wanted to point out:
Current copies of Dr. Olssen's book does not have a reference to JZ Knight in it's book.
You have to get a slightly older copy in order to see it.

She thinks she is so smart

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instead of trying to avoid loss and grief, learn healthy ways of coping with those emotions.... Most of us just lack the parenting to give us healthy emotional coping skills for life and we somehow think being able to control all life situations is the answer... .... emotions are our FRIENDS..... v...

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Greg Simmons himself publicly bashed the Catholic Church as a cult. And I recall very vividly "Ramtha"mocking the buddhists down the street on SEVERAL occasions. Their robes, their bells, and the Dali Lama's lack of knowledge. Who the hell is she kidding about loving all her neighbors and ...

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I can see what you are saying California. Fortunately, for me, I think time (out) is on my side, I started to read that and thought: "What a load of crap!!" That and who is that dude on Oprah? Eckart Tolle. Same bs. different cover. I coulnd't stomach any of it. I think I have a permanet b...

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A comment such as this, or the threat of "being weeded out of the school," challenged my competitiveness and as a result I kept returning to RSE for more of what I thought was enlightenment. ..... I believe enlightenment is not attained during an incarnation, but that it is the "carr...

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3 of the 7 that were quoted as being "stolen" from JZ included: "so be it", "neuronet" and "turn to your neighbor". I am thinkin Star Trek, neruo-science, and several hundred other sources (that Califormia Dreamin' mentioned) have used these terms without taki...

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"We asked for $10,388 and a verification that the defendant broke a contract, and we received both, so I'm well-satisfied," said Tacoma attorney Rick Creatura, representing JZK Inc. the same one in closing arguments who had to ask jurors to put aside any prejudice they might have. hmmm......

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I'm sure that RSE students will run with this "victory" and use it to VALIDATE Ramtha, RSE, and JZ Knight.

this is exactly how current students will use this court decision.
Just adding another layer of blindfolds to their eyes and brains.

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a complete continutation of comments from the small press release on Tuesday (prior to the one posted today that I just posted above): ________________________________ You hypocrites. There is no bigger sham going on than Christianity. Created by the powers that were in charge at the time as a way t...

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Ex-student violated contract with JZ Knight, jury decides By Keri Brenner | The Olympian ? Published September 16, 2008 OLYMPIA ? A Thurston County jury ruled Monday that Rainier spiritual teacher Whitewind Weaver borrowed techniques from the Ramtha School of Enlightenment in Yelm and taught them a...

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No kidding 'BJ', I wondered how the jurors kept a straight face unless they were wackos themselves.
LR | 09.15.08 - 6:04 pm | #
Click here to report this comment to The Olympian.

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http://www.theolympian.com/672/story/586115.html

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2 more comments posted just in the time it took me to post the article ( and no, I did not post a comment :twisted: ): LOL! I am pleased to see that others are as disgusted in this k-r-a-p as I am. It is a backwards world. Deb | 09.15.08 - 6:00 pm | # Click here to report this comment to The Olympia...

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the comments alone in less than 3 hours on the net should tell you how the people locally feel about
jz and her little school.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall regarding what they thought vs, as Joe said,
what they had to do regarding the law......

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Stocks get pummeled Wall Street sees worst day in 7 years, with Dow down 504 points, as financials implode. cnn I am quite sure all the Ramsters thinking this is the "great prediction" of September 2008. And I am sure they have all run to the bank to get out their money like the last time ...

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Ramtha's JZ Knight wins civil lawsuit BY KERI BRENNER | THE OLYMPIAN ? Published September 15, OLYMPIA -- A Thurston County jury ruled this afternoon in favor of Yelm spirit channel JZ Knight, founder of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, in her breach of contract case against Rainier spiritual tea...

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?The current (Water Facilities Inventory) on record with DOH identifies there are upwards of 10,000 temporary and transient users in a 30-day time frame each month and a constant 50 regular non-residential users each 30 days per month in addition to the one residential connection,? the letter said....

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Sad Grandfather- I can tell you from personal experience, the daughter will get accustomed to Yelm life very easily. She will not care what it takes to be near the school. I would STRONGLY advise her husband to hold money back- or it will all be spent on RSE, the "Children's School of Excellenc...

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Pigs 'n' politics Pucker up, porker: . . . . Change the channeler: JZ Knight, who claims to channel the 35,000-year-old warrior Ramtha, has sued a woman, saying she took Knight's teachings, changed them a bit and started her own mystic school. Ramtha testified in court that Knight's competitor was ...

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Haven't we had enough lipstick on a pig this week to disquise the entire
entourage of Miss Piggy?

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At one point, Weaver broke into tears when Creatura put up a map showing Weaver's home and surrounding land. She said she was upset "because of the harassment that has taken place at my property." Tabor immediately sustained a motion by Creatura to strike the comment and told the jury to ...

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"so be that" and "neuronet," and instructions such as "turn to your neighbor." you have GOT to be kidding me. THESE are 3 of the 7 examples RSE could come up with? I hope RSE looks totally ridiculous to the jury. And then, of course, JZ can bring up a notch if she lose...

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Tearful testimony wraps up Knight-Weaver trial By Keri Brenner | The Olympian ? Published September 12, 2008 ? COMMENT (1) OLYMPIA ? A tearful Whitewind Weaver acknowledged in court Thursday that before she was sued by Ramtha School of Enlightenment's founder, she thought the spirit entity Ramtha w...

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of course, while a student, one is ever hoping and praying he comes talks to you.

At the same time, you'd give an arm and a leg for a private (um.....oop! did that come out almost
wrong?!

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The couple stated, in concern, "we are no longer 'frequency-specific' with our children." Judith's answer? "SO WHAT!" omg! wow. so people like Dave's parents actually are getting mini-red flags. I hope to god the crack or bleed through comes sooner (than later- thinking here of ...

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Dave- I have re-read your post several times now because I think of my son and what he must have gone through and coninues to go through since his other parent is still in rse. I know for a fact, he is very proud that I have taken the stand that I have in Yelm. I was an "old timer" and spo...

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or like Dr. Phil "How's that working for you?" and then change the subject to something normal like, "Hey, the kids want you to go do the Corn Maze in Tumwater with them. How's Friday?" And if they do and talk about how this is like Ramtha's tank/labyrinth, you just do another &...

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I found the last line entirely amusing..... :lol: Own 5 Acres - Looking For A Partner I own a gorgeous 5 acre hillside of mature forest between Yelm and Rainier, very secluded yet convenient, 478 ft elevation, well draining soils with a possible siphon septic system on a dead end street with great n...

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someone sent this to me. First he mentions about the rainbow cloud (no doubt "Ramtha" made this miracle appear) and then he mentions "NASA's explanation" (little condescention?) C. Remember the Rainbow Cloud during Assay registration last June? Scroll down to Assay - Yelm, WA. To...

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http://www.cseinfo.com/pdf/newsletters/2008/9//CSE%20Newsletter%20September%205th.pdf (DEAD LINK, CSE domain only $500 !!!!!) from Kleiner's Korner blog: I really like this quote from the interim prinicple : One of our major goals as a faculty is to train our students to be strong critical thinkers ...

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"And science proved in 1997 that Ramtha was not me." it just takes a little bit more money to fly in a few "scientists" to disprove this statement. I would love to see these "scientists" TODAY, after what they personally believe AFTER this false concluding experiment, ...

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told the jury the fabled story of how Ramtha first appeared

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interesting choice of words.
I hope to god they have some normal people on that jury.

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Would it be inappropriate to have the reporter, Keri Brenner, visit this website? she has visited this website along with several of us for an interview for several hours. She TOTALLY left out a TON of information, let the story go for months before going to print, and then follows up with a pro RS...

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It's very confusing now that my original belief system has been overlaid with the school's dogma. Trying to sift out my original spirituality from the spins that repetitive brainwashing ingrained upon my common thoughts is a constant battle. totally, a constant battle. I, too, would like to get to ...

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Pin the Tail on the Donkey!!!

Bwhahahah!!!

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http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/579691.html Attorney grills Knight about ex-student By Keri Brenner | The Olympian ? Published September 10, 2008 Comments (5) Photos OLYMPIA ? Yelm channeler JZ Knight testified Tuesday in court that she was so "disturbed" and "bothered&qu...

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G2G- wow. interesting trigger. And what a bummer as you seem quite the go-getter in the activist. mild, good sense of the word. I just avoid the crowds in the mall. Don't know how I would do at a football game. yikes! I did have a thought today walking the dog. I think it was wise for me to move as ...

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I guess my high school science teacher was not as astute.
Nor was I on the road to astrophysics.

Thanks Joe. VERY helpful.

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Maybe brother Brett Alt would be willing to talk? I am thinking the entire Alt family was paid off at some later point. I know Mike was pretty angry for a while, went back to CA. JO moved to Spain-comes back every once in a while for god knows what or why. I am thinking she paid the whole family a ...

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Thursday, February 4, 1993 - Page updated at 12:00 AM Resumes, Pentagrams, Sea Horses - Life Around The Old Copying Machine By Kery Murakami FEDERAL WAY - They were making copies the other day but they wanted more than more of the same. They were writers, artists and entrepreneurs - the dreamers tha...

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to make matters even more humorous, they soon after bought the coffee shop near National Auto parts, and across from city hall and named it: THE GOLD BAR :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: I kid you not. And ALL the Ramsters who were not working, or working within the community on UG's and other projects woul...

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the students tested were on average 3x the norm on a dissociative scale ( JZ scoring the highest at over 8x) my thoughts EXACTLY. Disassociation at it's finest..... I would be curious to know what a) current student's disassociation % is now b) JZ's current disassociation % is now c) what my disass...

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Couple Marry After Court Battle Over Gold By Peter Lewis A wealthy devotee of JZ Knight - the Yelm woman who claims to be in touch with a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit named Ramtha - has married the man she once accused of stealing her gold. King County records show the couple - Gabriele Copen, 50,...

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Spokane Woman Who Didn't Die Sues Channeler Times Staff: Times News Services OLYMPIA A Spokane woman suing a self-described "spirit channeler" says she left her husband and job and depleted her retirement funds after being told she would die by 1990. Betty Nunnery was acting on advice give...

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Former Teacher Sues Spiritualist Knight AP TACOMA - A former schoolteacher is suing J.Z. Knight, claiming the Yelm spiritualist and the 35,000-year-old warrior she "channels" defrauded her. Betty Nunnery, 46, contends in her lawsuit filed in Thurston County Superior Court that Knight and t...

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Channeler missed the quake vibes Friday, March 9, 2001 The phone call to The Seattle Times came from the Thurston County town of Yelm. The caller was Lynn Quayle, who does marketing and publicity for the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, an enterprise founded by J.Z. Knight on her 120-acre Yelm estate...

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DOCTOR RAPS RAMTHA MOVEMENT By George Foster P-I Reporter Tuesday, September 15, 1992 Section: News, Page: B3 Coercive techniques used by spiritualist J.Z. Knight's Ramtha movement exploit weaknesses that might already exist in its followers, a Seattle psychiatrist said in a trial brief filed yester...

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Section: News, Page: B2 New Age channeler J.Z. Knight broke down and cried several times yesterday as attorneys questioned her in the fourth week of a trial to determine if her former husband's $120,000 divorce settlement should be increased. Knight said she was shattered by a confrontation with Jef...

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come to think of this, as an after thought, I think people speaking to me I took as a direct attack on me and my beliefs. I think in hindsight, a better way might be to, let's say a non RSE student or family member came to visit (even the thought of that would be revolting as in, OMG! here we go aga...

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Quote: but, anyone who would try to convince me that there were red flags or inconsistencies , I would have what little bit of conversation I had with them (and keep it very minimal) and then I would be off to continuing on with my food storage and disciplines. Do you think part of going off to con...

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OMG See & E- What a moving post. wow. I do feel a need to comment here: There are now so many triggers in music (atmospheric, movie sound tracks, 60's 70's 80's, etc) in the usurping and claiming credit for in nature, science, psychology, and all manner of eastern, western, and new-age cult medi...

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Dave- I was in RSE for 20 years and have realized the truth just a year ago April. My partner is still in school ( we split when my son was 3-his other parent being wayyy to fanatical for common living). We have a 21 year old son who must have seen what you have seen. I don't know where you live, bu...

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In hindsight, I see having a loved one in a group such as RSE quite similar to being in a relationship with an addict or alcoholic. Journey- When I read this line a light went on. I would fully agree about the relationship part equivalent to that of having a relationship with ad addict. BUT, the di...

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This was SUCH an obvious play on a happen chance "gesture" by the channel for CSE.
I am sure there was some kind of stipulation that she got such and such a % for "donating" her time
to the cause, because, you know her jean jacket fetched a nice penny or two.

THis is SO obvious.

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about disgruntled students who couldn't do the Great Work, teachings from Ramtha on how he was going to bring anyone down who tried to bring down his school, If you're going to read that trash..." so typical of the answers. we have heard them over and over.....we just believe them until we KNO...

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sorta like clouds in the sky....

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I didn't know there was a forum until I heard about it at the Ranch

for real? They announced EMF at the Ranch?
Pray tell, for those of us who have not been in for over a year....

wow..I am floored.

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again, no continuous lurkers.
Amazing what a few commands will do.

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I think you could be right there, Marie.

Life is simpler the further away one gets

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G2G-
now THAT's funny!!!

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It would be very interesting to have a discussion with those students who are 15+ years and those who are relatively new to RSE (<5 years) along with former members as well as those who have never gone to RSE. Maybe the more new current students have a more "I will take a more mild approach&quo...

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I was thinking about this new "teaching" (filtered down 3rd handed) regarding JZR is no longer saying s/he will bring EMF down. No, this is a place for people who have a special journey and that's ok. Apparently, we need to experience doubt and betrayal and have put that on JZR...... There...

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I also thought that I would die quite shortly after leaving the group because ... ...because Ramtha might bring me down. I think most ex-students could relate to this at some point or another. I had real trouble shopping after I left. I remember finding it so hard to work out how to dress, how to d...

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ICSA - New free service in Venice, CA welcomes ex-members and SGAs VENICE FAMILY CLINIC ANNOUNCES SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT CULTS OR OTHER HIGH DEMAND GROUPS The program, first of its kind in the U.S., is designed specifically for people who have left cults or other tightly controlled groups...

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I think you're right. Eventually social networking will kick in and people will really start comparing notes about the ineffectiveness of the disciplines. JZ won't be able to control it.... I think that is starting to happen. Look what happened when zxywv started posting, researching, etc. and he f...

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p.s.-
to Old One-

hope all goes well with your surgery.
I would send you blue webs in the ethers, but they might get tangled up

Best wishes.
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the glamour of being the president for a black man is extraordinary.

if I were black, I would be highly offended by this remark. wth?

the glamour that jz thinks she has of being a spiritual leader to "tens of thousands" (according to Mr. Simmons)
is pretty delusional , at best.

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What is next for ramtha.tv? ramtha.tv launched in March of 2006, providing a way for current students around the world to access live and prerecorded streaming events. Next, an archive of downloadable Teaching will be made available to the same group. Future plans are for general release material to...

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this is because the truth is bigger, and more beautiful than any one person, artist, or author.

or bigger than one religious faction (or school that tauts being god- realized).

very informative post.

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I've also been surprised by statements of "why are you trying to bring JZ down?" I find this quite odd as well. I can say I only know of one former student who would love to see this happen. For me, this is not the case. My case would be to give current and non current practicing students...

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interesting.... this is a place for people who have a special journey and that's ok. Apparently, we need to experience doubt and betrayal and have put that on JZR this is great. this is showing some modicum of grace. Good move on the marketing department. but to label it , esp from my experience, on...

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more repetition of old disciplines, more dog-and-pony shows of card readers. she is already doing this with the new neighborhood walk of raising your hand. just re-inventing a poisonous wheel. a wheel nonethe less, leading to no where. I'm referring to taking food out of UGs and burying it in the g...

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And by the way, Ramtha predicted this war with Bush. It?s recorded. It?s been copywritten. 1 out of how many? and copywritten??? :D :D :D bwahahah! The new definition of a spiritual person is to make change and make better the path. Here! Here! step off the RSE path and make your life better. and W...

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Audrey is still a current student,
and Joe is still an ardent believer in Ramtha.

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http://www.gtweekly.com/a-e/people/shift-happens You?re not alone on that cosmic mood swing. JZ Knight returns to Santa Cruz and tells you why. Plus: What are you doing to step into your fabulous future? She doesn?t quite come out and say it, but after talking to JZ Knight for an hour, you get the f...

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just as a side commentary here to Sean's interviews: I thought he had some awesome insight as to dialoguing with past and current members of his mother's cult/group. If it were me in the group, I most certainly would want her son's perspective as he has been there first hand for over 30 years. If an...

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Personally, while I was in school, I really didn't "get it" - the whole point about orbs. and I still don't. If some priest wants to dance around naked in the woods and take pictures of what he thinks are real beings, well, then , he can. And he can even make $ off of it because the Cathol...

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And what's really sad?? Once the mass suicide hits the news, there will be Ramsters who didn't make the event who will wonder the rest of their lives if they should have been there and if they've lost Ramtha for another 35,000 years. and they will mourn and grieve both for their teacher and for the...

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my hesitation is that nobody who has attended school or in school really applies it 110%, you used one of the catch phrases very well to keep the group entrained. "I will show you the way to enlightenment, I love you" and then.... the big hammer: "you are not doing enough disciplines...

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How strange is it that people living in the area are frightened to be open about other "truths" and "methods" they are exploring?? because, if you do this as a current student or staff member, JZ will send spies over to the next gathering and put the screws to you via the legal ...

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I think Joe Sz can better explain this. This declaration was used as "evidence" by JZ's lawyers against Jeff Knight in his case. In his case, he said he had been continually influenced by Ramtha as to his HIV condition and healing and that is why he never sought medical treatment early on....

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everything is much more funn in rse than in other cults.jz is allways with her students

HAHAHAHAH

yes, 5/5/2000, I am SURE she went underground.

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then swami, if you can see this and ramtha for what he is, why do you need
to contiune justifying the teachings?

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know you all think it is brainwashing but isnt everything in life these days i think you are making a gerality here. If you Google Margaret Singer and brainwashing or RObert Lifton and brainwashing and truly read, you will garner some knowledge. have never thought it was a belief system only philos...

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ordinary mind: How the heck do we get beyond that? How do we talk to each other, like Inquiremefree posted, in a way that genuinely inquires into each other?s beliefs, rather than arguing from our limited beliefs? I can totally relate to your frustration. and honestly, it has been my experience that...

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for a very long time

and now I am out, so I can now see , in hindsight, how I thought
and how I think now.
2 very different animals.

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For some of you who say you have succeded in all the disciplines is very doubtfull, because if you achieved greatly in just one of them you would not be condeming what you learnt. ok swami- I have been very very patient with you until you made this narcissitic point. Which brings me to a quote by o...

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1. You have recently undergone or in the middle of a major life change such as... Divorce Relationship Breakup Financial Crisis! Illness Moving Job Change Marriage Death of a Loved One 2. You are passionate about a particular cause, belief, or idea. Yes No 3. You are intrigued with new ideas and unu...

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http://www.joinusthemovie.com/all.php

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Inside the head of a new cult member New Statesman/June 30, 2008 By Allen Tate Wood Allen Tate Wood, a counselor who specialises in the mental and spiritual rehabilitation of former cult members, explains the process by which cults recruit new blood. Much of the early discourse on the reasons for cu...

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who is Lowell Streiker, Ph.D?
moreso, what raises your skeptic eyebrow? :)

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Another aspect to the RSE definition, I think, is that "judging" ensnares you into some emotional drama. And the goal is to remain free from emotional drama, so we can "ascend." Yet at the same time we're taught that we're supposed to go out and have experiences for their "...

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"It turns out the human body is not affected by magnetic fields; it is affected by elective fields. So what we are doing is transmitting energy using the magnetic field not the electric field." Intel chief technology officer Justin Rattner demonstrated a Wireless Energy Resonant Link as h...

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?deconversion? experience fully as powerful as the original conversion whereby one entered the cult in the first place. One rejoices in a new identity.? Marie- yes, I agree in the sense of rejoicing in that I have my brain intact and can see the ludicrousness of the whole rse sham. and I am very ha...

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It's one thing to realize that I was involved with a cult. But it's really hard to think about having been brainwashed. I can totally relate. For the most part, I use humor whenever possible. And it is especially refreshing if you have someone who understands the situation and is just as humorous a...

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after reading this e-mail, I know a current student who is taking out her entire retirement because "the monetary system won't be around anyway, so I might as well use it on food and my UG now." seeing how "normal people are in main stream society, this is entirely ridiculous. What ha...

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I am not aware of the original post by aussiegirl here, but just my two cents...... the word "judgement" is an entirely loaded word at RSE just as I can make a list of other loaded words. ramtha, jz and rse makes new definitions however they want according to any teaching they want. It has...

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understood.

the son is more objective, me thinks.

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"operatives" infers they were directed by the inside man. that was what was so amusing. they WERE current students at the time of making the film actually.. the one we have heard least from is Betsy Chasse. She , in ordinary circles, is MORE outspoken even moreso than the average "out...

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her book:
Prophet's Daughter: My Life with Elizabeth Clare Prophet Inside the Church Universal and Triumphant
http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-Daughter ... 1599214253

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once you've seen one, I guess you have seen them all.
hard to believe people believe this, um..*&^%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNYi5jcM ... re=related

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Church Universal and Triumphant
Son Sean prophet on his mother and father's cult.

http://www.blacksunjournal.com/televisi ... _2008.html

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Is not number 6 the government controlled society at large as well.

I would have to agree with you here to some extent, but not to full out classify it as a "Conspiracy Theory"
as is so common to do in coercive persuasive groups.

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like i said before lets get DR JOE on board.as the boat has nearly left. the likelihood of this happening is zilch. You see swami, when one leaves a group, or one is kicked out (as in Joe's case) there are various stages of leaving and 'recovery', if you will. If one is kicked out, they still, for ...

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So she concocks this idea, I will pretend to channel some fella,lets call him Ramtha and hes a barbarian etc. While i am doing this I may just as well include MIND CONTROL swami- the thing about her inventing a new tool (Ramtha) is one thing. She did not CONSCIOUSLY include mind control in the agen...

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What the Bleep was produced by Ramtha School of Enlightenment operatives though it had a significant TM sympathizer in it. Sue him jz!!! lol! I know you can! :lol: rse operatives. omg. that is REALLY funny if one really knows how rse is run. Take James Flick's latest photographic adventure. That's ...

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?If one has abandoned one?s former membership through a deprogrammer, one has in effect been through a ?deconversion? experience fully as powerful as the original conversion whereby one entered the cult in the first place. One rejoices in a new identity.? (313) I can say from personal experience, t...

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To all of the past students, can you see yourselves in Swami's words, justifying the school and the whole act? :oops: this is EXACLTY how I sounded just over a year ago. great case in point. In fact, after reading swami's remarks, I was refelcting in the few months after I left rse how much some of...

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WHoo HOO!!
High Five!!

Am I magic number 1??!!

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Humbled Pied Piper:

Instead of how, why?

just buy me one now because I am such a nice girl and I am hungry

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i hate to say this but,

What does this about "father's" 'Hamburger Universe' ??!!?!?!?

and to this day, I still do not "get" wth a hamburger universe is.
And you say he made a DVD about it?
and jz who? directed and produced it?

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Brainwashing, mind control, thought reform, coercive persuasion and totalism are synonyms referring to the psychological environment present in cults.1 UBF is not alone in employing manipulative and coercive tactics to deceive and ensnare unsuspecting recruits.2 In this page I present an eight-point...

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lastly and most important: 6. PERSONS BEING THOUGHT REFORMED MUST BE UNAWARE THAT THEY ARE BEING MOVED THROUGH A PROGRAM TO MAKE THEM DEPLOYABLE AGENTS, TO BUY MORE COURSES, SIGN UP FOR THE DURATION, ETC. You can't be thought reformed with full capacity, informed consent You don't know the agenda of...

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As for convincing me I am not after that (even tho I said it) i am trying to understand that you all think it is crap (The message and RSE) I, for one, am not trying to convince you of anything. I do find your logic to be that of many people in groups of which follow a non-scientific sequence of wh...

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at RSE it was all free choice. this is equivalent to saying: "there are no seat belts here, you are free to go." the kicker is, the seat belt is in your brain . and it was put on you unknowingly. the only way to know this is the case is several years down the road when your critical think...

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after having spent 20 years in the school, I STILL do not see the point to any OOBE, or smelling perfume from another dimension, nor reading through cards, nor seeing some scene from some other time in a mirror.. so what? what do these abilities do for anyone other than pseudo bragging rights for jz...

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NLP at its' finest.

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not to mention the fact that an entire assay was consumed by this teaching and the repeated replays of it for that entire event. And if you were not fortunate enough to attend , you felt like a schmuck because you had missed this invaluable teaching. Well, a month later, it is offered as an assay nu...

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?I?ve been over there many times and it hasn?t been a problem before.? Well, there you have it. Slam dunk for the town of Yelm Maybe this will be the unravelling of the final straw that breaks the camel's back for the town folks of Yelm. Fight it James, with all of your girlfriends' money. HAHAHAH!...

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Miri- I am sure an RSE staff/teacher would LOVE to answer this question for you and encourage you to come to the school as your queries are the type of inquisitions that fosters the thinking at RSE. if this film appears too simple on the surface and you do not see much in it, then you are seeing it ...

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..just minding my business driving down the road and I think,

"Who in the hell would pay $172K for an hour with a Marvel Comics figure??!!"

sheer madness.

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?I have my personal and unexplainable experiences with my teacher ?Ramtha??.This is my proof he is real..! man, if I had a dollar for every time I heard that. In fact, I could start a donation hat and invite current students to pass by. There. Poof. My fabulous wealth has arrived! "What do you...

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We do have a lot of humans running this(RSE) and some are caught up in ego trips and I see that but their days will come Let it be known that EVERYTHING that comes down comes from the queen herself and NO ONE ELSE. She would NEVER have it any other way. The behaviors of humans below on the food cha...

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I beg to differ wolf.....

Digestion is what comes out in the end........

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Califronia Dreamin'- I don't think really anything is that trivial in the process of recovering from such a group. Our brains were re-wired, and it is going to take some time to re-wire it back. Your mac issues are very small things that can help one stay grounded in this real world. Heck. After two...

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California- and, as a side note. jz has mike wright reading this board as well as other "feelers" out there to get a pulse on what is going on in the rse community. just like the Penney Torres /Mafu video ( I think on Google) where a staff member had alerted Penney just before she went on ...

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there are many other explanations, sometimes there are none California- I can TOTALLY commiserate with what you are saying. Me, not having been out that long (realizing maybe just a more months than you that RSE is really what it is), I still can be flustered with some bizarre coincidence happening...

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swami sais: but most my answers and reasoning come from Rams teaching and knowledge so he deserves respect and credit at one time, I felt this as well. But having left school, I have found much more credible sources of reference and not some ripped off, newly spun, glitterly version of someone else...

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California- I think maybe the moderators might think # 73 is the same person or some bogus poster or whatever and keep taking them off the list. some previous posters can play quite mean :evil: lol wish i knew more about macs to help you Dreamin'. I am only PC savvy. and sure, the moderators fixed t...

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I know most of you seem dishearted but didnt anyone experience what rams teaching here. With all due respect, Swami, I daresay that you haven't "experienced" the Ram's teachings. Until you are on the outside, looking in, 1) I am not disheartened in the least 2) I have experienced many thi...

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Dear swami- I am amused by your topic post of "missed the boat." The ironic part is that you missed the boat, but just don't know it yet. One day, floating along the sea of enlightenment that has been painted for you, you will come across some warning signs or flags. They could come in any...

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check out e-bay. I am definitely not giving anything away. You will have to pay top dollar , just like you do at RSE. being "resourceful" ( what "Ramtha" considers a great 'attribute' of 'his' students) is a Ramster's way e.g. "Manifesting" and getting everything they c...

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/11/remains.found.ap/index.html BALTIMORE, Maryland (AP) -- A toddler whose remains were found inside a suitcase in Philadelphia in the spring was starved to death by members of a religious cult, including his mother, in part because he refused to say "amen"...

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Halfway through the auction, auctioneer Cindy Schorno, with the help of her brother, Dan Schorno, asked the audience for donations for the financial assistance program. and you've got to admit, interesting how C. Schorno plays both sides of the fence here, in the interest of "good business&quo...

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?I?ve always been free of my past,? Capezio said. ?I have always been the power and wealth creating my future.? first, gag me. eeh gad!! nauseating. Two: very easy to say while you are in RSE and have been brought up as an Oppenheimer. pullleeze..... I bet if you ask her relatives, they will think ...

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Judith has stated in her own words (and not from some knowledge base) that one of her son's is indeed the reincarnational lineage of a Rothchild. Take note of the current state of affairs in the Boston area of someone named : Clark Rockefellar. aka imposter and Former German exchange student. A pers...

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KING: What about a factor you can't control, like a disease? Cancer. You can't control cancer. KNIGHT: I disagree with that because I believe that the ability of the brain and our ability to access it properly to produce the mind that essentially - the concept mind over matter, that we produce a po...

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Too Humbled white boy you rock,
to help all those kids who knock
on the shirt tails of their folks
who are unkowing old blokes.
When we educate those who know not.

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for me, as far as aborting, I just do not click submit.

I did like it before when they kept on the edit feature in the event I don't always see my typos.
but I understand their point of removing the option.

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never tried using color in a quote. hmmm....
here goes....

Geez - is there no cancel button for messages that I want to abort?

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um....California......

maybe put it on "your list" ROFLMAO!!!

" I have always been forum savvy " HAHAHAH (jk)

well, keep doing the field work/ excericises in this post.
Practice makes perfect!!

your buddy,
up a tree

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(um....emoticon is what those friendly little guys and gals are called

)

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Well, at least the emotion finally worked.

was that a pun?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAH!!!!

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do you know how to highlight on a Mac?
(um... I don't)

whatever that process is on a MAC, highlight the sentence or paragraph, then just click on the "quote" thing in the box right
above your posting.....

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...AND..... Same goes for if you want to highlight, let's say something YOU as the poster want to stand out. ok, so let's say I say something witty like C + E =R...... er...ooopss...wait....that has been trademarked. ok. I got it. RSE is really a cult in disguise. so, the trick to THIS little endeav...

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Here.... I am going to post a little tutorial and fun practice session so we all can be forum and blog savvy in this day and age. So, for starters, here is how you make that little quote thingy work. ok, so say I want to quote something from Humbled's post in this posting. I scroll down to his post,...

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? been the founder two cable TV corporations ? been extremely humble and down-to-earth, a mere country bumpkin ? been a tea-totaler ? had miraculous (undocumented) healings yes, exactly which two cable corporations? and I am sure they have been bought out by now (being as successful as they were), ...

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I, for one, would really like a conversation with her ex-husband, the dentist. or did he get hit with a $$$ gag order? very good food for though. Fact or fiction? dang....as if being in a cult wasn't enough...now the thought of someone fabricating the entire thing...well, I guess, is not so far off....

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I think that there are many gifts in China and that as the Marco Polo of RSE science, I hope to bring back more than just a few spices. OMG!! How did I miss that one!!!! :lol: :roll: The Marco Polo of science.....OMG! uh...how about: "There is nothing new under the sun Horatio" ??!!! oh D...

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inquire- I am in awe of your post. very touching. very allowing of you. and very brave of you to share this site with your friend. very brave of your friend to withstand the : courage to feel this disturbance, let the ground underneath you be shaken, to be willing to ask hard questions about that wh...

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We could've blown our life savings on events, books, tapes, Omega.... oh wait, we did do that. Hahahaha... Well, we could've been 70 instead of 40 when we blew our savings. At least we have marketable skills and time to recover. oh wait, we did do that. Hahahaha... omg- this is soooo funny!! true, ...

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Gosh, this is just so funny, I have to reply to myself...

i have often thought that myself!!! Muahahahahh!

very funny Wake-up!

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July 25, 2008 GUEST ENTRY: YAEL KLEIN ON CELL TOWERS + CELL PHONE NEWS FLASH "Saturday morning I was driving north towards Tacoma where a scene caught my eye on the west side of SR 507, 2 miles south of SR 7 & Spanaway. To my left I saw a gathering of old, dead Fir trees standing in their p...

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ARSON?

BE Aware there have apparently been arson fires in the Clearwood/Bald Hill area.
One on Elbow Lk Rd started on the outside porch of the house and completely destroyed the house.
Intensify your protection!
Be diligent!

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I NEED A ROOM FOR RENT I need a room for rent in Yelm area no more than 3 miles fare away to campus RSE. With all the facilities included. I am single, no pets, no family, only focusing to do discipline. I been expecting to rent monthly and no necessary bathroom included. I am ready to be there in a...

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First Congregational Church, Santa Cruz, CA. This event will be followed by Santa Cruz Creating Future Mind Workshop August 2nd at 7pm - 10pm $25 in advance from Gateway Books, $30 at the door. -------------------- The Santa Cruz Introductory Evening with JZ Knight will be followed by the Creating F...

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the data stream changed and correlated exactly with what the person was doing. um....so going back to the RSE "tenents"...if you are "analogically BEING" during the supposed discipline, how would you know what you are doing? much less Danielle, who thinks she knows what you are ...

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.....or Midnight Blue or Moses....

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"I wouldn't give up doing the work with Ramtha because people don't believe in me,"

I think EMF and similar places are making her realize people do NOT believe in her.
She is getting the message on some level.
As for the "millions"....

,

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nice they featured a skeptic in the article.
uh...ya. millions bowing down to the empress

anyone have a link for the Larry King thing? I missed it.

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I meant her autiobiography...
and now I remember

A State of Mind
she said at one time she was going to do a second autobi but it would be too depressing.
omg
even millions of dollars does not make a person happy

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Yes, Humbled, she was.
She even verifies it in her book.
Dang, I forgot the name of it. I guess that is a good sign :)

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My fear is that the mind control is so far under the surface, that the people I care about cannot distinguish or discern reality from any event or activity related to the school. I think you are spot on here. This is very true. I know. I used to think that way. And, as a side note, there may be a f...

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist tell me why the all knowing psychic did not know the entire antrhax thing was perpetrated by a scientist? and why everyone had to go to all the trouble of wearing latex gloves, burnig or nuking their mail, having a total lockdow...

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The person who told me was a 'high ranking" RSE staff member assigned to "facillite" the tank. Well, then, I would really like to hear from the panel of "master builders" , but of course, that will be at least a few years (25 to be exact) after JZ's death (yes, you read it....

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Would the school be more willing to capitalize on her success RSE did captitalize on her success as well as Kenny's and Debbie's (not to mention Joe Dispenza as a popular teacher). It appear that if one's ego gets bigger than JZ's, then they are booted out. Debbie and Kenny's ego are still at the h...

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how would you know that? How would anyone know that...? for starters, it was pretty obvious with group 10. At the special lock in the door(for the tank that qualified one for group ten) Lars was told how to open it and go through. I was right behind him and was told, " This time is not meant f...

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But I have yet to hear anyone make a viable explanation for Audrey on the field or on the archery bales. And this is where I am coming from, including my own experiences. If any of you have a viable explanation, please share. I am just not into trashing everything and lumping every thing into one b...

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There is no doubt that certain "masters" are targeted and groomed by Judith's twisted mind yes, i agree, yet I was not one of the hadn picked "groomed" I can't see how a few of you can just dismiss this as a mere statistic or boilded down to grooming. I do have a personal Tahumo...

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What I find truly amazing.... .................[Moderator Edit].................... .......................................................................................... .......................................................................................... And the folly of it all. To pay 45...

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along with the namefield.... I have seen Audrey find her card more accurately than anyone else, and in such a short amount of time ( 6- 7 minutes in a 2 acre lot). not to mention, I have seen her card placed on a FENCE POST, not just the usual fence, and she go right to her card. I think for the gen...

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how about the same experiment be tried in a different setting/ unknown territory. if it is true, someone should be able to find their card even if it is hidden in a book, or buried in the dirt, right?

I like your idea.
piles of dirt or in a book.
anything unfamiliar in territory.

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As for going to the Void in the TankTrademark (LOL), then we don't ever know if WE did it on our own and doorways were quietly opened for us because we were being led to believe we were so powerful that it kept us hooked to the school, waiting for the next upward level of evolution to come upon us ...

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Dear Dr. Wakeup- I am a bit confused. Maybe you could help me. Is this officially the help line? :roll: ok...let me get started.... Dr. Wakeup- I keep dreaming that I have this huge estate all around me, I have kitchen queens cleaning up after my every move, I have people at my beck and call, yet, w...

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[quote]JZR actually instructed her students to stockpile WEAPONS? [/quote oh , an emphatic YES! to stockpiling weapons. And if that was not enough, When there were events going on in the past, and the locals new where all the Ramsters lived, the locals would break into Ramster houses for the gold an...

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James Flick: " For as long as I can remember, I have always had job securtiy knowing that Mike so-Right is doing his job by keeping tabs on that stupid fomer members site so that I can play golf and poker, and fish to my heart's utter delight, because, for as long as I can remember, THAT is wha...

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Mike Wright: "For as long as I can remember, I have had utter, total job securtiy and if that means monitoring ex-students on EMF day and night, So Be It! Do what I love. The money will follow!! " - :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Fieldwork - what's true about it? Very interesting topic. I have had some difficulty wrapping my mind around this one as I was brought up with Dale Carnegie type "positive" thinking all my life. I was taught to set goals, practice long and hard, and the end result would be mine. I found m...

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Did you ever think it was Ramtha coming to kick your butt ? (not joking) I am endeavoring to think how long that after effect lasted. Yes, I had that fear, esp at first, esp when I was still sorting through things. Even after exit counselling with Joe, gaining more knowledge, etc, I still had haunt...

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It's probably best if **** doesn't mention aliens to everyone, some people will question his sanity, I can't tell you how utterly stupid I felt after leaving RSE about ALL the things I felt I needed to urgently tell my family about, esp the days to come. My parents were multi-millionaires, and here...

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what is life without love and closeness? in RSE, one is taught that they are "greater than their emotional body" meaning, to an RSE student, emotions are not really "good" and desireable things. [so then, subconciously, add guilt to the mix] If one has an emotional outburst of a...

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geezuz, I am preaching to the choir.
Forgive me :)

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So who knows what is happening in Debbie's brain that JZR has no idea about! Just keep pushing these people JZ - and if Debbie has a shizophrenic breakdown at some point... 1) if this were to happen ( and I would most certainly bet my last dollar on it ) she and the whole incident would have some m...

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