The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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very interesting story unbound. What really moved me about your post is people's "blindness", for lack of better words, from moving from one cult to another without thorough investigation. But really, How would they know? How would they know what to ask? I know many many ex- ramsters who n...

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Well, now that I know what it is you are "trying to expose" I have done a little research myself. I spoke to Carol Giambalvo personally today. She is aware of the post and the conflict on EMF. She did not receive David's e-mail re his request this week. She did receive Joe's e-mail. She di...

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apparently this is a hot issue of some sort that I do not understand.
I was merely referring to the vagueness of the semantics of the post-NOT the issue at hand.

I have no clue, nor any interest in heresay about Carol G.
I would think Joe would be the most informed here.

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one more thing.....

you called it whistle blowing
and joe pointed out it might be just a misunderstanding. I think that is it in a nutshell.

apples and oranges here
but you took it out on me
as I am still trying to tell you
I was not attacking you or said anything sarcastic.

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whatcha- must have been a misread there because there was no sarcasm whatsoever. and as David interjected, I thought I was giving a suggestion (as in why say anything? the point got lost). Apparently it was not received that way. I have no idea where the pot calling the kettle black came into play. ...

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truly..... a round of applause for this post.......

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whatcha- both your posts you perceived a personal attack on you from me. that is not the case. I was merely pointing out it was so vague and non disclosing in nature that any point you were making was lost in translation. and.... I have not confided in you personally anything that I have not done so...

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March 25, 2009 CITY CONTINUES TO APPROVE DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT SUFFICIENT WATER RIGHTS The Yelm City Council heard from this writer last night about the fact that they continue to issue Plat Developments without sufficient water rights. Mayor Pro-tem Isom recoiled at my mention of the moratorium issu...

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Now, I understand that my comments here sound vague.

and THAT is was.

thanks for shedding some info

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wish the edit button was still working, a few typos up there.... :roll: My observation is that the longer you stay current in RSE, the more cynical and poorer you become I thought of one more concrete example here. Last spring, before I left, I did some work for some "masters". Now, the gu...

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There aren't any current Ramsters/Ramblers I can confide in as I feel like a traitor. Hi Caterpillar- I can again, totally relate. I have 2 separate experiences on this account alone. Several years ago, Debbie's (Master of Music) life partner just up and left RSE. Poof. Jan and Debbie and I were ve...

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Dear Caterpiller- Wow. A huge thank you for posting. And quite brave and forthcoming. I can totally relate to where you are at. Every aspect from not doing the disciplines right now, to making crappy monetary decisions, to questioning things the big guy has stated. I need some time to digest how to ...

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I think this is a very profound thread for thought. I really appreciate everyone's responses. Thus far, I am in about the same place as ordinary mind. I still can't define god and am reading a book called Zen and the Brain (it has taken me a year to even break the cover open as anything to do with t...

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I have a lot of details. I'm just not being forthcoming about it at this time. that whole paragraph is somewhat amusing. here, we are trying to expose things and encourage people to speak out. this line is so cryptic. maybe just not say anything right now rather than bait people as it were, indeed ...

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KT-
is there a former members website for this group?

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wow sooooo similar in so many ways to ramtha the unenlightened one. direct quotes. i smell a lawsuit jz :twisted: also I am sure this gives jz VERY articulate, manipulating lines for when she leaves such a letter on her way to France And therefore, my compassion for every human being was developed w...

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interesting segue whatcha......not sure I would have posted it here. I do know of the knife pulling incident as well as many other violent acts at homes of Ramsters. They drink in the name of enlightenment (whether or not the wine ceremonies go on at the ranch or not, people are now hooked on alcoho...

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if I were a former member of Blatvsky's bs
I would want to say to this pic.....
you effing ________________
you were the start of this whole charade!!

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which brings me to an off tangent post in regards to kids of rse parents. The kids who are now young adults, anywhere from age about 18-30 really do not want to speak or analyze their involvement nor their parents' involvement with rse. However, if one is privy to a social situation, let's say a BBQ...

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Greg's own son doesn't go to RSE!?!? no. the oldest son does not, and has not for quite some time. He is very "cool" about it though and sais, "whatever makes my dad happy. I am happy for him if he is happy." His son is not judgemental in regards to what his father is doing. Ver...

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thank you unbound. To know that there were people who understood and could sympathisize...and admit to the symptoms of the twisting mind. This forum is a small gem in and of itself for this very reason. No counselor, no "outside" (outside of rse) friend, no one, is going to understand what...

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Hi Pete- I appreciate your response. I am the mother of only one child, but the nature of the group and the single mothers that abounded at RSE brought together a large group of kids, much of the time at my property. My son just moved out of the state last weekend after having spent from age 10 mont...

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whatcha= I had taken a few years off while having some kids, so when I returned, and I treated my curious 5 year old to a long weekend event with me, I figured no harm would come of it. The wine had seemed to be curtailed. Just my dumb luck...Rambles comes out one night, and started up with the vile...

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unbound- I strongly urge, like megan (whose sister did commit suicide) to get professional help from some kind of counseling. Having been a former member for 19 years, a staff member for 6, having been raped at a wine ceremony by a red guard and then realizing the entire rse thing is a charade was e...

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Enlighten me objectively wrote: so EMO is not quite clear yet in his thinking. [color=#]Shame on you Shocked And does not believe critical thinking to be a vital life skill. [color=#]I had more of my intuition, but dont reject critical thinking either... Thus sets the stage for his further answers....

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megan- I look forward to reading your posts and hope that others reading your posts are moved by a person whose sister died/committed suicide as a by product of RSE. It would take extensive money and research to make a direct correlation here, but it could be done. As a personal side note to you meg...

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I am really trying to re-call.
I know I was on the back wall , NE corner.
I very rarely, if ever, sat there, so I definitely re-call the incident.
I don't think it was a wine ceremony as Marc and L were sitting in blue chairs
which would not be a common practice for wine ceremonies.

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From my vantage point, the slaps were not physically so hard...just on the line of where it was easy to be in the audience and rationalize that Ramtha was trying to get her attention. this was my perception of the incident as well. and definitely NOT to minimize it. I think airing out dirty laundry...

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welcome cerulean. And yes, refreshing post. Nice to see some people do their homework before continuing on with RSE. and it is very refreshing to know more and more people are finding their way to EMF. I desperately want the answers to big spiritual questions - who/what am I? why am I here? where di...

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"For as long as I can remember, I have always been supporting compassion, love, EMF, vegetarian food, free parking spaces, hypnotoad, living above the ground instead of underneath, ..."

bwahahah!

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welcome cerulean.
and very nice post script.

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Could someone enlighten me about getting those colours right?

pete-
highlight the area you want to quote or make in another color.
in the font color box, just click the color you want.
that's it.
then continue typing.

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interesting to follow Joe.
thanks.

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bwahahah! jz in her 70's atop the cat walk in the tank. but since her genetics allow for her family to have long lives, I am hoping her downfall will be emphazema. Can you see her channeling Rambles with an oxygen tank strapped under the robes? I think the older students will still believe that she ...

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Pete said: My reasoning: I dont understand it either sometimes, but that made me come to the conclusion that reasoning isnt the most efficient way to come to conclusions for as far as I can see... Hope you understand this... Critical thinking didnt get me very far, it is not 'seeing things as they a...

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so.... ask yourself... after all of those disasters happening, how did taking away those 3 things ( 3 times) make you feel?? Answer that before you go on. So, for me, here were my substitutions: Instead of the title Having a job and money I replaced it with Being Happy Instead of Religion/Spirituali...

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What disturbs me is the sense I get that happiness isn't enough for many people. I was given this test recently. Now mind you, my answers are indicative of my priorities AFTER leaving a cult. I am sure they would be similar to a person being a POW or incarcerated or held hostage. There were 10 head...

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Another question I have is this- does that place take away humor? In a word, I would say yes. Ascension and enlightenment is a very serious matter. And I am TOTALLY serious. I once, while in the school, had a conversation with a very humorous person by nature. We were dissecting, as if we were in c...

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Hi Pete- I am sure jz is looking at your post several times over to see, how, in fact, she can improve upon her already marketed product. It will be interesting to see the changes after your post. After all, you DID make a "conscious" decision to go even after coming to this website. I put...

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thanks for the article joe.
wow.

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She was convinced the cult was following her and tormenting her after she left This is normal for a person leaving a group to feel this way. Rambles is the be all, know all, wind at your back. And since the student has been under mind control for so long, it is NOT an easy thing to shake. 3 months ...

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megan- wow. I knew your sister (very limited) and know Marc very well. Whatcha will be interested to know that this was the woman that was sluggeed by Rambles. I was standing right behind both her and Marc. I am almost speechless. I know your sister and Marc were up at the house a short time before ...

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EMO- I had written you a PM about meeting some former young people in the area. I guess it never got through to you and am eager for your report. unbound- The school also promotes a paranoid mentality I believe this to be very much the case (as is with all Doomsday cults) but ALSO, paranoia is a SEV...

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General Information RSE has 48 RV/Trailer parking spaces with electrical hookups at the Yelm campus. Spaces are assigned on a first-come, first-served basis for each event at the Yelm campus. Please note that there are an unlimited number of parking spaces without hookups available as well. No reser...

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Just in time for the primary event. I really wonder how in hell they got those permitted and approved when legally, the parking lot is not up to code? oh...wait....it's "technically" NOT a parking lot. so I guess....they are "techinically" not RV park-type electrical outlets for ...

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Wouldn't it be great if we could Reset our brains to a previous date? Oh but that would be going into the past wouldn't it? Ah well...a defrag will have to do. :lol: :lol: and as far as a re-set, you mentioned in your very first post that you will take the few things you learned about yourself with...

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the topic of thievery has been going on for years there. I often wondered why the enlightened one could never pinpoint the person. It was always done on a mass to mass basis by the mall guards (lame red guards who are just friends of the channel anyway) and the "important" staff people (no...

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in regards to: presenting a way that she saw fit to manipulate the electoral system to win a seat. I personally e-mailed Rep. McCune in the adjacent district as to the way Jean Marie was presenting things at the Ranch. That afternoon he called me and was very concerned. I believe he went through app...

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Dear unbound, I was moved by your post. It took me a bit to collect some thoughts to reply. You articulated a complex process very succinctly. It is to a tribute to your character to have your humor remain intact. I found humor to be important in recovering from such a group. I was most moved by you...

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how Steve Klein manages to get into the paper with his issues is just astounding. http://www.yelmonline.com/articles/2009/03/05/local_news/doc49a870ee41ef5833417530.txt Published: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:43 PM PST Megan Hansen, Nisqually Valley News Yelm Mayor Ron Harding testified in Olympia Tuesda...

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The Nisqually Valley News has put up a new interactive website.

Personally, I think this is a very progressive change, much to the chagrin of Mr. let's-keep-blinders-on Klein.

http://www.yelmonline.com/articles/2009 ... 069276.txt

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Love Yourself Into Life
and the White Book are 2 different books.

Love yourself was the 8 by 11 one you spoke of. It has a glossy cover of a picture with trees and the sun.

Weinberg published the first version of the White Book
and
JZ re-published it around 2005 with some addendums.

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I do know she did a re-edit of the white book and it is a bit different in places.
I have not compared them myself,
but I would be interested to know how she got the rights back to the white book
if Weinberg is so set on destroying the thing he created.

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so... theyhad Blue College then Blue College Extension (or, how to suck ramsters dry of anything left of their 401K) ( or: how to suck more money from people in the excitement of the momentum) Blue College Continuation (which is coinciding with the beginner's event- so then the beginners can get all...

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Confucius say: If you are not scientist, stay out of lab.

Bwahahhaha!

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(CNN) -- Former Beatles Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr will reunite on stage next month to raise money to teach transcendental meditation to children around the world to "help provide them a quiet haven in a not-so-quiet world," McCartney said. The star-studded list of performers who will ...

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I was told just yesterday by a current student that there is a new update for having land in and around Yelm and that almost all of the land that is being bought MUST have Ed Wiltsie's approval, or no sale. I will ask in particular what the specifics are, but this was told to be by a realtor who doe...

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Agaja's (Enahoro)condition is stable according to the nurse I spoke with this AM He is on the 10th floor room # 1011 and will be there for a couple of days as he gains strength. Hopefully the his network of friends are able to locate a place for him to live by then. Thank you and Blessings Ana - Aga...

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REQUEST FOR AGAJA Agaja (the gardener) has recently been without a place to call home and now has a bad cold. Does someone have a spare room or bed to offer him for a bit of time? His cell phone is 359 8581. Blessings to us all for our abundance and kindness! Jean http://www.mastersconnection.com/fo...

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I bet all the crap for sale at JZ Rose doesn't have much of a market in our economic climate.

I will never forget at one event, he told the then manager of JZ Rose that Shabby Chic would be the next biggest fashion craze
and that he would be in high demand. And we all believed it.

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Media Statement from JZ Knight, President of JZK, Inc. regarding SB 5867 Feb 26, 2009 Yelm and Thurston County Issues Official Statement from JZ Knight, President of JZK, Inc., in response to the Nisqually Valley News request for a comment to Yelm?s Mayor Ron Harding telling them SB5867 may have bee...

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not going to bother with a whole new post. Steve has got a hard on for the mayor. Will he never stop? Splitting hairs if you ask me. Like Steve has never made an inaccurate statement publicly. February 27, 2009 MAYOR PLACES 'FOOT IN MOUTH' ON YELM LIBRARY FUNDING! From the NVN about Mayor Harding's ...

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wow. guess she found a new nitch of people. for only $500!! What a bargain. March BC Continuation A Blue College Continuation Event has been scheduled for March 9-15. All students who attended the Blue College Retreat in 2009 are invited to attend. The cost is $500. Those students who attended the B...

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what I find most amazing is the most recent face job
the article is enough to gag anyone

http://www.fatemag.com/issues/2000s/200 ... icle1.html

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new auction stuff
just in time for her birthday!!

http://www.rse-auctions.com/items.asp

I find most amazing are the banners.
Joe D's GF had them made for the arena.

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Dear EMO- I know several twenty something guys in the Seattle area who might be able to help you out. Even better yet, they are fun loving, guys. All of them children of RSE fanatical parents. THEY will give you an earful!! They are a very open minded bunch, very allowing, yet make fun of their pare...

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truly amazing.
Thank you.

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Tell me more... I will give you an example. Several years ago the famous rock star Melissa Etheridge had signed up for an event much like you did. The people on staff knew this and were very much looking forward to it. At the time, Melissa had just discovered she had breast cancer. the person label...

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Joe-

I forgot the name of that book.
I think it was on page 43. White cover.
Can you tell EMO the name plz?
ty

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EMO: I want to point out here that RSE's recent marketing is targeting overseas (Europe and South America). And, if you saw a few posts by some very recent members of RSE who are from Europe, they were not even aware of things such as bunkers. It has been my experience that Europeans get a different...

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Also, if they should try monitoring me, that would only prove they are a cult. Dont you think?

the only thing is EMO, you will not know they are doing such.
Having been former staff member, I have a few insights.

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If master President Obama

oh gawd, now he is a "master"

so typical

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If he follows his intuitiveness, he just might win.? this is a perfect example of the ambiguousness of ALL of the predictions that jz sais rambles makes. she can later say, "look! I was right!" Kind of like her getting half of the presidential team (Joe Biden) right in his Dave Ross inter...

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swami said: There is only one way to find out and that means to go and experience yourself. This is one of the ways of reasoning while in such a group. It is a very influential way to get you to acquiesce and then eventually participate long term in the group. Then it will turn into what Joe Sz (exc...

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California- GREAT post. very well said. from EWO: -The masters of the far east is like th? book on spirituallity/esoterie, how did you discover that this is a work of fiction? My exit counselor showed me the book where the Author Baird T Spalding confessed to not even ever having visited the Far Eas...

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and that the 'exercise' of drawing and cutting out "third eyes" and parading around the arena was a literal time user utter/waste! AD: You have put a very good example of the total idiocy and waste of time how every teachings is backed up with an arts and crafts session. We then leave the...

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I can remember several occasions when mom received letters about contradictions in her messages. She often would then make a pragmatic choice as to which interpretation was correct, and then reiterate it from the altar--so as to clear up any ambiguities. This was nothing if not political posturing....

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All the wars going on today are not about land. They are about theology and belief systems and changing everyone?s belief system to take them back before the Stone Age uh...what happened to the explanation that the wars that are being fought now are about oil and the gray men? :roll: hmmmm...sudden...

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Found out that there are people who really have cut off contact with loved ones to dig a hole and hamster food? We Were told to build 2 foot thick wall undergrounds and buy at least ten years of food by ramtha. Was that your idea of 'become a remarkable life'? This slogan was developed only in the ...

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how come that most of the members in here have had a negative experiene with RSE? How come that RSE is seen like a cult? How come that Ramtha is seen as a imposter? What I really like you people to ask is, is there any danger in it? Or did you actually benifit from these teachings? Did you found pr...

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Sean Prophet's Letter to His Mother on April 8, 2006 Happy Birthday, Mom! It was a pleasant afternoon at the Royal Teton Ranch. My mom, Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and I were walking outside of her house at the Ranch Headquarters in Corwin Springs, Montana. It was on one of several trips I made to the ...

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what is it with JZ and Steve to keep coming back on that issue This was my point. He got a reprieve of a half a day from the event (to extend into 9 more optional days, of course, the staff will be working and half assed participating) and he came on full guns. It is like watching a caged animal gn...

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This guy has come out of the event with re-freshened ammo. I am reading this with absolute incredulousness. He REALLY can't see how he is sounding. He will be utterly embarrassed down the road. February 24, 2009 HARDING SPINS MISREPRESENTATIONS TO STATE LEGISLATURE ON WATER CASE Yelm's Mayor Ron Har...

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RSE students revere the White Book in the same way the Holy Bible is revered. Now that my critical thinking has returned (for the most part), I believe that both the White Book and A State of Mind are both mostly fiction and the mere fantasies of JZRambles. as for the White Book: I think many older...

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the mother of all impact studies
and jz thought she had issues in Yelm lol

Yelm s a drop in the bucket in this matter

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I did like the tabs at the top:

discussion
history
new section

it's not like she can sue or lobby anyone at widipedia to get the spin she wants ie- all in a favorable light.
too bad jz....the world is a bigger sand box than teeny Yelm

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why would an all wise knowing intelligence ascended master heirophant choose men who abuse their partners and/or children.? supposedly, this was their "one and only" downfall that they had to overcome to become a christ :shock: I can't believe I fell for that line for so long. how many of...

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other than these links David, there are 2 state appointed psychiatrists who diagnose mental health issues and who are very familiar with people who come through who are former Ramtha members. I have already posted in the old forum: when I first came out of RSE and was feeling like I was on the edge ...

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very down to earth, the closest thing to what David was speaking about on the www. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=cult+recovery+101&emb=0&aq=f# http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5302374578884111554&ei=J0KdSZj6Jp-2-wGnuuCSAg&hl=en a little more dry: http://video.google.c...

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Do you think I ought to visit a good psychotherapy counselor? If so.. Who would you recommend in the Yelm area?. Perhaps they will agree to an EMF interview? David- I find this quite the odd request. My opinion to number 1 has nothing to do with what you will actually do. So I see no point in stati...

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Physicist and Author of the book trilogy- Ark of Millions of Years-speaks about the quest and to find and enter Middle Earth. "This expedition is going to travel to a region of the earth never visited by sea before aboard the only ship capable of making the journey safely. We intend to film wha...

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I m posting the story/link from Steve Klein's website. http://yelm.com/2009/02/mayor-hardings-state-of-the-ci.html (DEAD LINK) Not totally necessary to read the entire article, mostly I am posting for the comments of the people who posted.I know 3, for sure, are ramsters. The 4th one, I am fairly ce...

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I remember Ramtha at a spring event criticizing the people who went to the Oscars instead of attending that event, that they needed to get their priorities straight. He was referring to Salma and Al Gore. I remember that evening very distinctly. jz was just jealous because she was not invited. chec...

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we can only pray the firemarshall pays a surprise visit while a teaching is going on.

wouldn't that be great??!!
not to mention that they can count the actual number of porta potties in use.

A -Moderator edit- would be great fun as well.

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and, I must add,
the old adage......

You get more with honey than you do with vinegar.

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When I tell you something that happened long ago you make the assumption it is the present. I am trying to think of a way this could be minimized. Maybe with a short intro: "this happened to me when I first entered the school x amount of years ago, and x amount of time before I left" that...

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You have the ability to be happy though, something she doesn't and that gives you the better life. I thought this to be very profound and very true. At the end of the day besides her wealth she has very little, her power is false, any love or friendship she receives is false and she knows that, she...

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I know in Australia they have no idea of a cult, nor its effects on people and therapists are going to approach the topic thinking a person is mentally ill. I think I touched on this in my previous post. In countries where cults are not a common topic, it must be VERY difficult for those 1) who hav...

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i just now saw your post before my last post. I was posting when you were. I can see your heart going out to those people who have been burned both by RSE and the bush where you are. and yes, they would have NEVER moved had it not been for RSE. and even though the one guy is being helped by citizens...

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I am really not interested in participating in a place I am not welcome you know blue heeler, there was a time OUTWARDLY , I felt like that. but inside, I kept coming to EMF because 1) it was common ground we could communicate from 2) it was a support group of after affects. by your above quote, an...

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blueheeler, good thing it is not blue healer :roll: It is my opinion that you are pretty off base here. The attacking method you use reminds me of the people in Yelm. The odd thing is, they cannot SEE that this is what they are doing AT ALL. I cannot stress this enough. To add to this, they cannot s...

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I think Aussiegirl is a pseudonym for JZ Knight.

this is just plain weird and lauaghable

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probably some Ramster creating their fabulous wealth. I can see the viability of an ex student selling this, but not for this exorbitant price. http://cgi.ebay.com/RAMTHA-Last-Waltz-of-the-Tyrants-1989-Koteen-VERYRARE_W0QQitemZ400012027080QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Nonfiction_Book . (DEAD LINK) Last Walt...

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Carroll & I were good friends since he came here until his passing, as
His wife can attest.

omg...
kinda like Steve and I were good friends until I left
my employment permanently after we got laid off for 2 months at the Ranch.

What a joke, Steve.

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hmmm..... February 5, 2009 TOWN OF RAINIER CELL TOWER REDUX? VERIZON WANTS TO INSTALL ONE "Verizon Wireless made a presentation to the Rainier city council asking permission to build a cell phone tower at the city?s water tower site on Minnesota Street. The proposal was to either build an anten...

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my vote goes for:
now that she is without Blue body,
the spiral will tighten.

I am hoping it snaps.
Should be fun to watch from out here.

(unless, of course, a fair amount of students go beserk,
then not so funny. Compassion does) exist out
here in the real world).

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- NO I AM student has ever attained invincible youth, sustainably reversed the effects of old age, or unequivocally avoided ill health. - NO I AM student has ever materialized limitless wealth out of thin air, and most I AM students are no wealthier than members of conventional churches. - NO I AM s...

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it could be a blessing in disguise that she, along with a few hundred others, miss their primary event. I personally know of 3 people who, after missing a required, found their way to the other side. It took missing an event and living through the perceived pressure of "having to get to my requ...

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I have personally experienced supernatural experiences, and those I accept. However, I don't think I could recreate these experiences. I could say the same thing. Maybe these cases of stigmata are just that. I am not in those person's shoes, nor do I know if they are a part of thought reform and mi...

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impeccable to the teachings

Will bring you death

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I cannot speak for them (most of you) as this is something you have to come to terms with personally before you will be ready to take action. in regards to the fear that jz perpetuates that "the big guy will bring you down!" very true sad grandfather. and it just takes time, knowledge, so...

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I considered deleting my identity, since my daughter and grandson are still under Judith's spell, but at this point if it got them kicked out of the "school", I'd just consider it a plus! Smile I can tell you right now, and most likely WITHOUT your daughter knowing, JZ will have her scout...

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wow. very stunning. I knew Alana fairly well and David has put it very well: She had unshakable faith in "Ramtha" but very little faith in humanity and relationships. ........I watched a beautiful and sincere women reduced to a frightened and lonely hermit, living without electricity and b...

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I totally can get what you are saying California.

Give this topic some time.
No amount of Joe's or anyone else's references are going
to add to your cause right now in this department.

Time and space from the topic at hand......

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and you watch and listen for staff directives. THIS is where it will really tell. During my last few years there, I was a single mom raising a son and could not possibly afford Blue College. (staff is required to pay for BC is they attend). I elected to attend the required event that all staff was &...

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OMG! this is pathetic She might as well say: instead of standing in the food stamp line, send all your necessary-living-money to ME!! And then underscore it with "don't become a victim to the current reality of the world's chaos." god JZ, you have really stooped to a new low. You watch, st...

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p.s.
Sad Grandfather,
I really appreciate you posting the reply from the attorney general's office.
This should at least alert her royal highness
that people are actually doing things out here
to make things happen.....
just not sitting down and wishing them into being.

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"there are those who identify the school as a cult, and others do not." this tells me that many state and local departments and jurisdictions are WELL aware of this statement. I think one careless move on her part (and do you not think wine or tequila could bring about a high risk call of ...

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Myra Hansen, Longtime RSE Student and author of Grandma's God
Has Passed This Plane.

She was born in Los Angeles, California in 1939.
She was beloved by many and will be missed.
"Much love to you Myra, Always"

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yes blueheeler, I am with you on his one. If everyone would just write one letter to the Attorney General, in their own framework and form, I think it would make a difference. Just like Obama asking for one vote. A person can do it on-line. It can take as long or as short as you want. I do know, whe...

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The truth finally surfaced during an RSE "wine ceremony" a few years later, when Judith confessed she had lied. 'Tree".. were you there for those particular RSE events?. yes, I was at those events. You know, I totally recall having confusing thoughts while this was going. But I later...

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http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter.html (DEAD LINK) note my highlighted maroon quote here, how the school is taking credit with its' ancient knowledge, of mirrors and candle word via Henry Sugar. pfft absolute plagiarism at its' finest. February 2009 The Chinese use two brush strokes to write...

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Tree said: Steve and Liz- Thank you for your kind regards. I just don't see how one reader can interpret someone as having a traffic accident as having missed "a human interest story." I have plenty of stories that could make the front page of the NVN, but I am not into promoting my own in...

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Did any other hits produce an actual "hole" in the wall???? yes, at east on 2 other occasions while I worked there. And I know of a few others before my employed timed there. The thing is, this is "Nothing new under the sun, Horatio" as Rambles loves to quote. I think the timing...

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(posted chronilogically from the bottom up) Gail said: I agree. Another resignation I have not seen much information about is County Commissioner. I just called their office and was told they expect a decision this week from the Governor as to who she will appoint for the third Commissioner. January...

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If some school members become disillusioned or the economy hits them hard enough, is it possible property will fall and Yelm start to shrink? the military alone accounts for more housing currently than Ramsters in and around Yelm. Which, to say, was not the case in the late 80's. In the Puget Sound...

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wait, did I see the dates right? JZ does not have love interests on the 14th?? What an awesome sacrifice JZ. AND....for only $900 more, you can participate in the Blue College extension. wow...I guess if you are coming from Europe, you might as well squeeze in all the thought reform you can!! BLUE C...

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and if you click under (2) comments, you will see someone with the same bad taste in their mouth, the same kind Steve Klein has regarding the Yelm City Council and the Yelm planning committee. Jeezus, the guy can't be pleased if Yelm IS on the map or if Yelm is NOT on the map. He will bitch either w...

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from a little blurb by KING 5 news.... now, interestingly enough, they interview 2 Ramsters in a local shop (along with town official Shelly Badger). and interestingly enough they did not mention JZ Knight's assertion about how much her beloved RSE brings into the cash flow of Yelm :roll: :shock: ht...

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she made a HUGE statement building the wall in the first place. secondly, this is NOT the first time someone has hit that wall in that exact place. several other times in the past, this wall has been reported as being hit. and now Steve wants to bring out a "human interest" story" reg...

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I sent him a comment. We'll see what he does. _____________________________ Steve- You are continually criticizing and flagrantly making accusations of how inferior the NVN news is performing. 1) who died and made you god almight and chief judge? 2) why not make a business out of printing a newspape...

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Dang, Steve. Why not just toss some of your money in a newspaper and the flagrant and excessive criticisms you continually make and produce a paper yourself? Will you never quit with your self righteousness in a public domain? Truly spoken like a troll. ______________________________________________...

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sounds like a fun read. how many people here think that this new word "kluge" is going to be the "new" word at the upcoming required events?? :roll: :wink: I mean really, look at the part: Marcus encapsulates how the mind is contaminated by emotions, moods, desires, goals, and si...

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Anyone remember "Rockwork"?

you KNEW you were an beloved old timer if you remembered and
participated in rock work

yep, I kept my rock for AGES!

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if he knew the "pretense" behind them, then perhaps he won't have as difficult a time, absolutely. I think the only downside to him not understanding someone else who came from an experience such as myself, a true, child-like believer. I believed in Rambles with every ounce of my being. A...

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It just seems to me that JZ uses the hook of the day to manipulate the men in her life. very good one liner. And to top it off, she makes a "teaching" about it. you know, had I not read that word PRETENSE, and it keeps going round and round in my head.... I just recall SOOO many times Jam...

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the new era of : Service and Responsibility Those two words are diatmetrically opposed to what RSE actually DOES. I have seen very few serve while in RSE (other than themselves) and the "supposed" responsibility is one that has been twisted through thought reform to mean something totally,...

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I have been watching the pop and circumstance the entire day, and I am just in awe. It is my first inauguration in over 20 years, and while in those 20 years, 19 were spent thinking that this God Rambles was greater than sliced bread and our current president. The magnitude of this event, considerin...

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you are stretching my brain here David :) fortunately for me, it was only the 2nd assay I ever missed during my entire tenure at RSE. The first one I missed was Assay 4 (number 1) (group 12 and 13 were formed the week before). I am really wracking my brain on this one. I am thinking around 98 or 99.

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Alcoholism for starters. Ever see their recycle bins on Bald Hills Rd and Smith Prairie Road? :shock: Yes this is true...RSE heavily promoted the Sea-11 water as "a teaching". It was being made by students during an entire Assay as well. Every single day was chemistry lab 101 in the parkin...

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i just have to say that in the book, "take back your life", the authors do talk about mentally and emotionally disengaging from a cult, for up to two years before physically leaving. hmmmm... I did not know this. of course, I can only tell my tale from HIndsight. I never once thought that...

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At the first wine ceremony, we were told that everyone must drink wine or they had to leave the event. This applied equally to recovering alcoholics. this is so true. I know a few recovering alcoholics who left school during this time and stuck to what they knew was the right thing for them. I know...

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What about romantic relationships in general? Especially since the school's inception, I would say "romantic" relationships are frowned upon because one has more enlightening things to do that be sweet to your partner or share intimate times. At one point in the school, the book Bortherhoo...

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nd the next day my ?neighbour? told me I probably needed to hear it . ..it probably triggered a memory of a past lifetime that I couldn?t face was what she said this is SOO classic. I am sure there is a proper medical cult terminology for this but from my experience, if you told your neighbor or fr...

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Kryptonite- While in RSE and during the wine ceremonies, I was absolutely convinced I was "drinking with a God" and that with each "initiation" we were told they were the equivalent of 7 years of therapy. And I believed it. Sincerely. I had plenty of wine ceremonies I could not r...

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I hope you got your dog back....!

unfortunately," His" dog passed last year. It was hard for him ( James).
Last of the Rottlweilers.
She still has her little French Bull Dog.

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A new and Progressive Event based on creating a Fabulous future beyond your Incarnated Destiny. -Every discipline being used to hardwire the neuronets for the dreams of 2009 -A Fabulous Experience of a Journey From the Woods to the Name Field -El Camino being brought out of the archives for a rare s...

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I've been skimming posts to find out about cults in general and RSE specifically after finding a friend is also starting to become involved, reading books and intending to go to the next event. I would like to address this issue here, and maybe Sara can contribute. Your friend, has been steeped in ...

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nothing new under the sun, horatio you know, when rambles came out with that one, something inside me said, "well, then even all this information in RSE is reiterated from SOMEwhere." But I didn't go any further along with that thought process. I TOTALLY remember pondering that statement ...

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My dearest local guru, Thank you for that explanation (just teasing about the guru part). I see your point, and I think I re-iterated it as well. Even when people group hop, they still cannot think totally for themselves ( as is evidenced in the e-mail exchanges) and then when they don't get exactly...

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oh... the prophecy of "all of you that have travelled here to live in this blessed place with dorms, etc, will be STILL doing C +E when the world around you is caving in." oh yeah- the carpet.... it was slated for installation for 2 days, one of which was my son's 16th birthday. I had requ...

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I imagine her children will "inherit the Wind"- her children want nothing to do with the ramtha thing.....just the money it generates. She goes to great lengths legally to set things in place for herself only. The ex lovers only have a decent severance package and a gag order not to talk....

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I wonder, can we keep the magic we heard in some of JZR's words and separate them from RSE? I truly think this is the crux of the book, Take Back Your Life. Wake-up's approach of: My current approach is that when I remember some phrase in my mind from Ramtha that I loved, I go looking online for th...

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maybe I missed something. I got confused when David asked for his DVD's back. I don't know why he would ask for them back, particularly un opened. This just seems kind of "Indian giving"-ish. On another hand, if David perceives she is a supporter of RSE, then I can see why he would not wan...

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Maybe the heavy pressure just didn't make it to Europe This would be my guess. When you are in or around Yelm, the unspoken pressure to attend, garden, build your UG, hear the latest teaching is enormous. I think also whilst living in Yelm, we that did, even thought ourselves as the more dedicated ...

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her death will be a big blow to the school.there r enough teachers who will runn it.<the>will be theire scripture THIS will be the big straw. And as Joe said, the original followers will still follow. There will be no legal haggling in this case. JZ has seen to it. And there will be no "splint...

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Sara- I don't know how you search my post of a story I wrote while listening to NPR this past summer. The conclusion I got from that story, and I will try to find the post is that, any OOB experience or "other worldy" experience is used as reinforcement of enlightening things or teachings ...

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C'mon.
Out with it.
Enough of your jibberish Dance and put it all on the table or be gone.
I can't waste my time with any more of your crappy posts.

post the e-mails or be gone.

ESPECIALLY since I sent a kind PM to you regarding my copy of the rambles rockumentary.

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I don't know what Joe S has to say in response to 1 person organizations, BUT.... as I had been a student for over 19 years, NO ONE ELSE WILL EVER CHANNEL RAMTHA and I think she must set it up so the newly appointed teachers and video archives will be the main source for a few years. She is SO egoti...

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Happy New Year, Marie.
I think about you and your mother often.

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excellent posts! Sobering, then shocking. All the wine drinking with Ramtha was ensuring my health so so true. this year, as well, will be getting back to a healthier life style. I, too, had to address the issue of mortality, when I had never done so my entire life. Somewhat hard to do at times when...

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omg!
and if I hear another "She's just in her emotional body"
I think I would scream.
And people use those phrases ALL the time in arguments with others
to justify their way around things
and clawing their way to the top.
so typical.

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counterbalanced by some of the most conniving, swindlers on the planet who always had a line handy from the teachings to justify their horrendous, hurtful behavior. I have found, ESPECIALLY during my year and a half after exiting the group and still living in the area that about 95% pf the people e...

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great post Wake-up. Nice ideas for her mum. There's a lot of excitement filled with hope and promise when first deciding to move to Yelm, then in making the move & settling in, then in attending your first events. Then the harsh reality slowly starts to set in when "magic" doesn't real...

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at the top of her personal page:

"Be Still Know that you are God" Sathya Sai Baba

pretty amusing as Rambles uses this, as well as, it is in the Bible.

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Questioning everything else as well..... Such an awesome title to this post. Such a void. Questioning nearly everything...... .and how the hell could I look within for that when for all those years I was so skilfully conditioned not to look within, but to look to Yelm, to Ram, to the name field, the...

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Did the person who sawed their hand divulge why they "manifested" such?. you know, I can't really recall the answer. I do know that the community gathered alot of money from donation jars set around the stores in Yelm (Thunder Market being one). All the proceeds were in her jean jacket po...

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I would have loved to do them, but they seemed unnecessary,

honestly,
I think
most students feel this way
at some point.
Most, sadly, go along with the program.

thank god you woke up.

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I think he did say that they helped a little, ok here is a story. I shall save the gruesome facts. I was contracted my a future love interest (although i did not know it at the time) to build their UG. about 2 months into building this thing myself (imagine being contracted to build an entire under...

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I just love how RSE disguises itself in their 'events across the world.' I'd been to one outside of Yelm with a family member, and it was cake! Yes, comfy beds in posh hotel rooms, evening dinners in restaurants, actual CHAIRS in the room. What a surprise when these people go to a Yelm event! the b...

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The RSE disciplines seemed a very active, dynamic, "masculine

we were always taught that being ACTIVE was less passive than just "meditating aimlessly"

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How many RSE students have just suppressed or repressed their feelings emotions - EVERYONE of them, I tell you. no one "processes" stuff, nor sees a shrink or any kind of help. They wish it away with "focus". And if you don't focus enough, you will leave the teachings, or die un...

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...and why do some moments of some of these damn videoclips still touch and move me??? this goes along with the caveats.... do not do or watch anything RSE related. No You Tube. No RSE.com. no cd's. nothing. hence my suggestion about your friend. it will pull you in. You need to give yourself some ...

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From my experience, so far, you don't have to be a blind follower of some other religion for the Ramsters to "feel so much superior". My daughter has flatly referred to me as "ignorant", yes....this comes from people being indoctrinated into cults, as a general rule. You know gr...

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and I still feel I've lost something - don't know who or where I am at times, questioning more deeply than I ever have - but before RSE I used to feel so sure of what I knew wow Sara. "in the teachings for five years"..... and now being where you are now. I know, an RSE staff person would...

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hahahah! pretty funny Joe

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the wailing people upon Kim ll Sung's death
reminds me of ramsters
when jz dies....

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I would bet a paycheck that if you let your friend know that you have been reading on the EMF forum, that you appreciate Ramtha's teachings but you think perhaps the origin of the knowledge is from JZ's reading - I would bet you will find yourself dropped as a friend. But first, this student sounds...

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Thank you for posting Sara. And thank you for taking time to read through so many posts. I know the quantitative aspects of time spent in RSE seem relevant, but I think it is not. As is the case with a few others who have "just gone to one event" your life was completely, in your mind, tur...

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Thank you for posting Sara. And thank you for taking time to read through so many posts. I know the quantitative aspects of time spent in RSE seem relevant, but I think it is not. As is the case with a few others who have "just gone to one event" your life was completely, in your mind, tur...

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Since leaving rse I would have to say that I pretty much identify myself as an atheist. this is about where I am at the moment. as a side note, since last Christmas was my first Christmas out and it was such a rough time, I never went into my Christmas decorations. So, this past week, I attacked th...

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jack london ......he has a whole book about streetpeople

never occurred to me....the whole story about the bum under the overpass bridge.....

or how about a revision several years later in Hyde Park where a street girl was a drug addict
and his passing as a bum turned her life around.....

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i recall Oscar Wilde,
as I thought it quite odd
Rambles "adopts" someone gay
when the teachings vascillated so much over the
years on that topic.

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This postponement to the 23rd will probably result in a low turnout due to the timing being so close to Christmas and other parties planned. and wth? she usually spends d a y s preparing for her family gathering. Money taking precedence this year? Little short of cash? boyfriends? But I can bet, ol...

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Not everyone on EMF is understanding or trustworthy, As we just witnessed with "wolmans" recent hit and run attack.. I shall re-iterate here what I posted after this episode. Wolfman may have had a temporary lapse of cult personality explode. We all have that time to time recovering from ...

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interesting topic. I can see its' relevance, but I can also see that bandages come in many forms, and just because one rips one off fast, or slow, liken unto duct tape in the tank, is NOT indicative of what is below. Fear being indoctrinated from a group such as RSE comes in many degrees. Several pe...

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As soon as JZ feels Steve slipping away and maybe starting to think for himself, she'll read up on all the great things said about Harvey Milk and then have "Ramtha" talk to Steve and regurgitate the Milk compliments

spot on.
This is what JZ as Rambles would do.

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http://www.yelm.com/ just a general note of the past 2 weeks regarding Steve Klein and his "helpful" site for Yelm. I have particularly noted that he has backed off in attacking the mayor and the city directly. Me thinks it might be a few people (ahem!) pointing out his aggressive, me-win-...

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BE IMPECCABLE All students viewing a Live Stream session are required to register and pay for each streaming event individually, even if viewing that session with other students in the same location. I always found this particularly amusing. They would LIKE to think they are impeccable, but when yo...

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these are THE MEMOIRS OF GREATNESS? What happened to the Legacy Teachings being the final 120 days of "thee greatest teachings so you can ascend like I did?" ??!! let's make a contest to see how many more euphemisms we can come up with the equivalent of "The Legacy Teachings". S...

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the format the way the "teachings" are deilvered is getting lazier and lazier. Why not sit home for 4 viewings for $150?? easy enough to make you feel current with the latest greatest teachings. and oh yeah, Unchained Melody. What a copyright farce. This teaching is about a whole new way t...

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Sadly, this reminds me of her mother's quote to Glen: "oh? She's using that ' I picked cotton' story again? oh my." shakes head. Only in neuroscience is there hope for these incomplete people. and this little quote is too ironic. Only to find out she has nothing in her neo-cortex after tel...

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so new agey. pretty funny, in hindsight :roll: even gave her ideas from the Iaut Apleph/ Sun Moon sitting in the triad the triad itself "with a gift for mankind" lol "he has awakened with fully endowed powers of the human mind" sounds exciting if one has never been to RSE ROFL!

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make sure you are not drinking coffee or whatever else watching this.

http://politicalirony.com/2008/11/30/ro ... -election/ (DEAD LINK)

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yes, I have
I find the timing quite odd

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subtitled: No. I am NOT making a card on this. hahahahah! I was just muddling about today and the most "obvious unobvious" thought came to mind (tongue in cheek there, just making a pun on a rambles teaching). Let's just say it was near the "high holidays" and we ( as EMF ers) pu...

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of the 13 teachers/office people, I only know 10 of the 13. And of those, all but 1 attends RSE.
The interim head is not a current student ( at least as of last spring).

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interesting bios of the staff of CSE and the board.

I see all these aging old timer faces, and I am almost speechless at how ever more immersed they are.

http://www.cseinfo.com/pdf/CSE%20Facult ... 20Bios.pdf

http://www.cseinfo.com/pdf/CSE%202008-2 ... 20Bios.pdf

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