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Unread postPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:51 pm 
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Perhaps... I will described what took place during that event in a future post.
certainly I was ANGRY AS HELL and shattered by the experience

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Hi Shocked, everyone...
Finally found a moment to share what took place regarding that JZK / RSE birthday celebration - circa RSE 1988-89?.
This may be a long post. Up until that time I had always intended to return to RSE after quitting in 1996. During that time I still ‘believed’ in 'Ramtha' but remained confused and disillusioned not only with the failed teachings and totally contradictory, dictatorial and uncompassionate behavior of JZ Knight and her insiders, somehow wasn’t ready to face the truth that ‘Ramtha’ was a fraud. So around 1998-99 I was invited to organize a live music tribute event to celebrate JZ Knights birthday. This was to be a big surprise for JZK.
I reasoned that despite my deep dislike of her personally, I would do this to thank her for channeling 'Ramtha'.
I saw this as a ‘runner’ from my great teacher to let go of judgments and rejoin my school.
So far so good.
Even though I was no longer a ‘current student' I was given an open door by a wealthy RSE insider to organize the music and musicians of my choice for what was suppose to be a spectacular outdoor event with a live band.
There was also the dance group (Black and Tans), Andalusian horses and a play written and directed by a close friend.
All participants were paid to perform. I was given FULL CONTROL (and if my memory serves me correct) about six weeks to organize with live rehearsals. The creative energy and excitement was wonderful, my faith in 'Ramtha' was rekindled.
By that time I had understood the destructive effects of the ‘wine ceremonies’ during recording the RSE choir in my studio. so... to safeguarded against this happening all musicians were promised not to drink during the performance.
Several weeks before the event I was told my sound engineer was to be replaced (on the night) with RSE staffer Kenny Thompson. Anyone who understands live music production, the sound engineer is a critical member.
Kenny refused to attend rehearsals (apparent he was an expert and didn't need to be bothered)
he insisted he had the experience but the man oozed RSE arrogance, I was given no choice.
I don’t have time to go into all details but the disastrous collapse began the moment the event started, I should have walked away but felt obligated to stay for all those that had worked so hard during rehearsals, this was their moment to shine and have a great event.
The celebrations begins...
I arranged and choreographed an honor procession for JZ Knight made up of drummers, dancers and a piper.
A colorful and fun pagan procession that began outside JZKs home. This was pre arranged with James Flick...
we would gather in the Rose Garden at a given time and on hearing our pipes and drums James would escort JZ outside to where we would all joyously meet and march to the tank field. So far so good....
On arriving at the Rosé garden we formed a circle and began playing to call out JZ Knight, within minutes a very angry RSE insider (an short blond Australian woman) told us to get the hell away from JZ’s house. No amount of reason could persuade her this had been pre arranged with James, GO AND CHECK...in fact, she became more abusive and began shouting, I suspected she was drunk. Also remember we had children in our circle.
With that moment crushed, we reassembled away from the house hoping James could hear us. Unfortunately by the time James appeared with JZ (both had been drinking) we were already exhausted from playing for 30 minutes, our piper needed a rest, when we finally reached the main stage we were exhausted. To cut a long story short.. Kenny botched the sound, The RSE lighting man botched the lights (drugs,) The musicians got drunk, the finally of the play ( something to do with the Sun God Ra) was hijacked by an RSE insider and redirected so the ending was a form of worship to JZ Knight sitting on her throne, I was aghast as was the plays creator and director. The event was no more than a drunkfest party.
BUT…what far outweighed a botched up creation was my final curtain at RSE..I understood that ‘Ramtha’ was no more than a twisted fraud concocted from JZ Knights fear, greed and insatiable egos. I HAD to move on.
It took me another five years to process the reality that RSE was a cult and to coherently to speak out.
I also understood how kindred spirits have their honor and passion stripped away at RSE leaving little but an empty shell sucked dry by a religious sociopath.

Does anyone here remember attending that JZK birthday RSE event?

David

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Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:18 am 
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I am so sorry to hear that, how terrible. By that time I was liviing in Yelm but did not attend the event, I really wasn't interested in attending a birthday party for JZ. But I do recall the people I knew that attended said I had missed a wonderful time!!! In the beginning the wine ceremonies were fine, but never was a big drinker, but as tiime went on, it was just a excuse for everybody to get drunk!!! People stepping on you, people getting sick all over, and wine spilled everywhere was no fun for me, oh yeah and wondering if any pipes were still careless lit and still burning. One thing I could never figure out at my time at the school was why JZ never helped her students more, charged outrageous prices, and students scraping pennies together to get to the next event. But tryed to give her respect because she was channeling Ramtha, I heard many students giving the excuse that she was able to manifest her wealth and as students we would also beable to do this, yeah right! I found her demeanor to be arrogant, I sat beside her one time during a speaker, as she walked up to the seat and sat beside me, she did give me a brief smile, but no hello or no verbal greeting, and when the speaker was over she got up and walked away. As for your story, it really shows what type of a person, she is. No respect for others and really doesn't care about anybody else but herself.


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Hi Shocked,

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I sat beside her one time during a speaker, as she walked up to the seat and sat beside me, she did give me a brief smile, but no hello or no verbal greeting,

You obviously didn't posses anything JZ wanted. Given you were famous /very wealthy she would have given you a massive hug and proclaimed a deep friendship from a previous lifetime with Ramtha...indeed master YOU are VERY special... :-?

That "It really doesn't matter what JZ does or doesn't do its Ramtha that's important"
besides "JZ has given up her life for our great school so stop judging her" :roll:
I fell hook, line and sinker for those lines and lies despite the contrary evidence.
The cognitive dissonance and 'defection' RSE creates often becomes so crippling to the point 'Ramtha' devotees would rather die (AND HAVE DIED) than face the truth that Ramtha does not exist, never did...so what then?
My experience at JZK's birthday celebration was the catalyst to shatter my faith and dreams 'cognitive dissonance' to finally understand Ramtha was a cruel deception and see through JZ Knights mask. It was this realization that was so shattering, NOT my dreams of becoming some sort of inner circle music director at RSE. Even during my time at RSE it soon became clear that the JZK inner circle and the Ramtha's inner circle were the same people, most of them untalented, arrogant and elitist, much like the British class system I was brought up in and detest.
But at least there is some chance to break through the awful British class barriers, but indoctrinated into a religious cult actually inflicts brain damage to the point you can lose your mind without knowing it, or perhaps worse.... taking the lives of innocent people in the name of God as we see happening with the Islamic religious cult ISIS.

David

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Do not recall hearing this birthday celebration story before, David.
Your processing is very very common with emerging defectors from cults. Thge choice to defect usually goes in stages with the most important belief the last thing to collapse.
I defected from CUT [Summit Lighthouse] and cut all ties in Sept of 1980 after many months of anxiety and some panic attacks. I did not let go of the belief in possibility of Theosophy's Ascended Masters for 2 to 3 more years.

"deprogramming" cannot occur without serious reeducation and reorientation of the way your brain works, and that means breaking down old habits while replacing them with better, more reliable and verifiable ways of thinking.

it is tedious, painful, and oh so rewarding.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:43 am 
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Hey Joe,

Thanks for sharing you personal experiences with CUT..

I can only guess what story forever' claims I shared with her in her post, either way, she got it totally and 'nastily' wrong as to my reasons for leaving RSE and helping to start EMF.
I don't think I shared this RSE experience on EMF or with anyone till now.
Partly because its difficult and horrible revisit those dark memories and describe such an experience without coming across as merely 'disgruntled'.
I think its good to revisit and share these experiences when we are strong enough to face them again, but I still cringe at the memories, but it is as you say... "tedious, painful, and oh so rewarding" once we are through to the other side.
I hope my post helps others see through the RSE crocodile swamp waters to clear and clean waters..
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"deprogramming" cannot occur without serious reeducation and reorientation of the way your brain works, and that means breaking down old habits while replacing them with better, more reliable and verifiable ways of thinking.
it is tedious, painful, and oh so rewarding.


Thanks for that Joe.... :idea:

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