The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

I have been reading on EMF-again. Finding beneficial posts i previously missed. I remember at the time thinking, "why not just manifest it"? In reference to "not enough money" for/to run the school.

It didn't make any sense for there to be such problems given that an ascended master was in charge. How often "he" said, the school isn't affluent. It's barely making it. At the time it confused me. Nothing made any sense. But at that time and being new i wondered what was wrong with all the "advanced students". :) I recently had conversation with a Ramster that i gave some truth to-it didn't ....hit home. But something must of stuck ( or they're a spy) because i heard from em again.

On a lighter note why doesn't JZR have a sorting hat for placing new students? Like they do at Hogwarts? Harry Potter. Now those students are enlightened and know their magic. Flying cars and brooms. Casting spells. Exposing fraud and slaying dark forces-wow. Wouldn't it be fun for truly advanced entities to show up at RSE and storm the place. levitate, manifest pots of gold and turn rope into snakes etc? And tell the Ramsters they learned it at the local Baptist church? What fun.
Humor.

It's dark Laughter helps.

good points, forever.
it is obvious once we step outside the self-sealing system of thought.

If we look back in history, court magicians never or rarely ruled like Wizards of OZ. Pharaoh had his magicians to challenge Moses--you know that story--and I mean story--about the staff of Moses changing into a snake and eating the Pharaoh's magician staffs made into snakes. There is a reason shamans and magicians never ruled in any reasonable governing scheme: sorcery is basically a trick, a lie in plain terms. It was okay to use what Plato called pious frauds to influence the general superstitious population to help keep order, but the ruler had to know the tricks to rule properly and not be ruled by the tricks. In Plato's scheme, it is better to have a population believe in an Oracle at Delphi, the oracle for Apollo, than to not have Apollo as a god. Apollo was the god of order and law.

In RSE, no one rules over JZ and her god or tricks. The lie is not pious--it has run rampant in JZ's crazed brain, like that of a spoiled child that owns her playroom and wants more toys.

LARSE is the main remedy for this cult..not much else out there that directly and continually challenges the spoiled child.

It is some weird cognitive dissonance tat doesn't work for me. There is yet another $1,000 USD, "event," going on this week and I know several ramsters scraping to pay for it, leaving barely enough to pay for real world needs. There is the promise of a big anoouncement, yeah they heard that before in 1999, 2012, etc.

I've challenged them on why they pay such huge fees to RSE when it is obvious, "Ramtha," doesn't need the money because, "he," does not have a physical form. Just where does that money go?: Judy knight with her personal overwrought palace so crammed with physical goods that she has to auction them in bulk and JZK Inc. administrators living in the own opulent homes.

There rationalization is that Ramtha makes them pay because it is proof of being serious about studying. That seems to be in contrast to Ramtha's self professed desire to teach the chosen few how to manifest. Apparently manifesting is something for the future, and the journey though this lifetime in our physical universe is one of lack. They must have wanted it that way in the core of their souls. Yeah, right.

people don't realize what they are involved with. That it's marketing at it's finest. And they have changed one enslavement for another. When people go to RSE it's all about getting free from a mind control society and mind control commercialism, capitalism and "take back your power". Not realizing the very same techniques are being used on them at and by RSE. They think they are going to a "spiritual" school of ancient wisdom, knowledge.

What they don't understand/realize is that mind control is not enlightenment. People don't realize when they turn their mind over to someone that tells them how to think, what to believe, what to read that it's a cult.

If you ask a student why in all these years there's no Christ or even remarkable things they say, "because people don't get it". So they keep going back. On the other hand if someone leaves the school it's not because they "got it" and don't depend on RSE to tell em how to think. No, it's because "they couldn't do the work".

They think they're being enlightened. When in fact they're being brainwashed and programmed. It's called mind control. There's nothing "spiritual" about RSE. It's all about the $$$$. People have NO idea what they're involved with. It's dark.

I think people want easy answers. Someone to give them the answers. People imo are not motivated to put forth the effort it takes to search something out for them self. Question what they are told. Engage their brain.

Maybe i am being judgmental, harsh but if there's a hard lesson i have learned in life it's that: at the end of the day i am responsible for my life and my choices. And that blindly trusting in anyone or anything isn't in my best interest. What people consider profound, "consciousness and energy creates reality". Wow. Profound! Really? Evaluate it.

The simple truth is our life is the result of our choices. How profound is that?
So then the "teachings" become about the brain. Why we think the way we do. Spend thousands more to be taught about the brain by someone that read it in a book? Or online? And can't run their own life? Hello? Isn't the source of the information important? I wouldn't go to a dentist to learn brain surgery.

Who came up with the brain teaching?
Who came up with the diagrams?
How is it in the brilliance of ancient wisdom they don't know that the color above visible light is green. They don't don't even have the colors accurate. And they "social consciousness" of our society is exactly what RSE is. How's that go, "take back your power"?

It's beyond insane. There really is something called decency and it comes from within. It's called a conscience. Obviously, i am just not any fun.

Yep, just plain good market strategy to keep dangling the carrot just out of reach.

Agreed. We all create reality by making cchoices. What a concept! That makes about even billion or so human masters on Earth. Where RSE stretches that to implausibility is in saying that you create reality from your thoughts. You can create in your thoughts, yes, but that is fantasy. It doesn't take long to realize there has to be collective ojective reality that contains everybody and everything.

Reality? You might want to go to

Ramtha-Ascension-Deep Trance-Now Hypnosis. I Am Ramtha.

Ramtha is now being marketed along side of and with Dr Laura De Giorgio -
www.deeptrancenow.com

That's not enlightenment it's mind control.

Becoming a cult leader is not for everyone. Few are called to the desperation of money and a lavish lifestyle. Most of us have a conscience. Only those born without can take on the job. We can not understand not having real love and a conscience.
We have a heart!!! It is why we can think all day and never understand heartless, selfish, takers.

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We have a heart!!! It is why we can think all day and never understand heartless, selfish, takers.

So very true. And those heartless ones who impersonated spiritual leader's are the lowest of the low...
I would even go so far as to call them subhuman > 'a lower order of being than the human", yet they can be extremely guile..
Understanding how to recognise and protect ourselves from these monsters is important.....

I should have put a smile face icon after agreeing it is good marketing. What Knight and RSE do is to take advantage of people who mean well and are trying to repair or better their lives through spiritual enlightenment. What is doled out to RSE customers is hogwash that is systematically engineered to sell more hogwash. I think a good, though much less expensive, analogy is those crappy cell phone games. You get into the game almost for free, but if you want to make what feels like progress in the game, you have to pay tribute money to authors. Of course after you pay, you find that you have to pay again. On and on paying repeatedly, and you never really get to the end of the game.