Ramtha School since covering, has No More Masters of Cards

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Ramtha School since covering, has No More Masters of Cards

Unread post by Vanilla » Wed May 11, 2011 5:14 pm

First it was the smiley cards, then it was the candle, then it was the R cards, then all those were banished because you could tell up from down.

So then they came out with two r's opposite sides, up and down, so you couldnt tell.

Then one day Mitja got up on stage last year, and said people are mapping their cards, please stop it, that he is embarrassed to read his cards to his daughters because he knows he is mapping... and he got temporarily fired, Greg had a shit fit, and Ramtha made fun of him and his "Purity" ---

so then Ramtha changed it yet again to now buy CARD COVERS..to cover the cards.

Since Cards are now covered, there are no Master of Cards.

There used to be 100 at a time being tested. The hours we had to sit and watch them with these lights on their heads and magnifying glasses.

Then Ramtha said we ruined the discipline, just like the others. We ruin all the disciplines everytime we are wondering what we are going to eat for lunch while we are supposed to be focused, hours on end. He may just give up on us.

I ask, well why didnt Ramtha know people were all mapping the cards, I have done it myself. Its so easy to see things and marks on cards when you are staring at one for one hour. People say, he was doing it to get us to focus. I say Judy really thought we were all seeing thru the cards and she hit a goldmine.

Anyways, one day on stage Ramtha took all his teachers and had them read the cards, even Debbie, with them covered. They all failed. I think MW got 4 in a row though, and that was considered a success somehow.

I know something nasty MW did.
Last year Ramtha took volunteers to sit and focus in the woods. Only 10 people got up. He said if you sit by a tree and try to see the cards in your hands thru the blinders, if you do this for 3 days, I will show my true self to you. YOu could get up to pee but that was it and you had to eat whatever you had in your pocket. Anyways, MW handed out cards, and told everyone they were BICYCLE cards. In a students words, " Mike Wright told us they were Bicycle, but when I focused, I saw R's" --Whatever--anyways..MW had done that as a "test". He had lied to the students to test their focusing skill. Its not cool to mess with students who have to sit there for 3 days - 2 nights, without getting up, by a tree in the rain, and not move all day and night. With blinders on...thinking they are flying on some magic carpet. Its just messed up. I bet they were happy...AFTER ITS OVER--but to me, its just experimenting on your students. Pushing them to the limit. I have no idea if Ramtha showed his true self to anyone.

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Unread post by Robair » Wed May 11, 2011 7:02 pm

Hello Guys

Vanilla, that must be pretty new. Or someone forgot to take this video off the RSE web site.

http://ramtha.tv/Flash/newsletter09/iss ... Cards.html
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Unread post by Vanilla » Wed May 11, 2011 7:19 pm

Since students have to cover the cards with white card, noone is coming up and testing to be a master because it can't be done.

That video is old. Why do you think they have bright lights on? SO they can see every single mark and scratch. Smileys, candles, and R cards, not used anymore. Now you have to have a card covering. You buy them in the shop.

This was very controversial, it was last year, everyone, teachers included were fighting about whether they were mapping or seeing it "float above the card" like Gregg said in Defense. People in the school were fighting with each other. Those who knew it was mapping and those who mapped saying it was how it was taught to them.

Ramtha said you not only should master one deck, but any deck given to you. That will never happen either.

I know when Debbie was going to be tested, the scientists wanted the cards covered and she said no, and when on stage Ram made the teachers all read the cards covered, none of them did it. Ramtha can give you glory and take it all away and shame you.

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Unread post by Vanilla » Wed May 11, 2011 7:30 pm

Bicycle cards only and they have to be covered. That was the last new rule I heard with my own eyes. To be a master of cards.

Of course beginners can use any cards I am sure. Maybe it changed since last year..

Then everyone hit all the stores and ate up all the bicycle cards. Stacks of bicycle cards for the future too when all you will be able to do is do them when you are underground for two years.

I had to add that, sorry, as I cannot edit any of my posts, I add it here, Robair. Those cards are not used anymore, in the video.

No more Disney cards, smiley's, candles, grid cards, only bicycle to be a master, and must be covered.

Also last year before this change, when they were mapping, all the teachers had to test and if they failed they were fired. They were given til new years./

Plus Ramtha didnt invent the card discipline. It was in a book by Roald Dahl...the candle focus came from that. Kenny introduced it. Now Ramtha says Kenny mapped cards and was a cheater, when he was the reason it all started. Ramtha loves to smear him and he still keeps coming back to events. They all take the insults.

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Unread post by Robair » Wed May 11, 2011 10:13 pm

Hello Vanilla
Thank you for all the info.
It is interesting that the Buffon or the school are promoting Bicycle deck cards they also can be bought already marked
Here is a video that show how to mark Bicycle Deck Card also many others way to mark card.
Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsbJQaaG ... ure=fvwrel
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Unread post by whatatrip » Wed May 11, 2011 10:54 pm

I always wondered what happened to Kinney, it is so sad he got lambasted, because he was actually one of the students who stood up when Mitja did his protest and agreed, that the symbols mapping thing was BS and it was NOT really seeing the card. Kinney seemed to have genuine talent and really wanted to master the discipline impeccably, he wasn't going along with the bs mapping thing at all. I wonder where he is now, if he still goes to events or what, or if he is still working his cards and/or his telekinesis ability and demonstrating it....anyone know??

btw, some of these latest posts have been hilarious, especially the ones about the aliens...thank you guys, the laughter was much needed!!! The further I away I get, the more it all appears to me to be the Comedy of the Absurd...I can't believe I took it all so seriously!!
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Unread post by freemysoul » Thu May 12, 2011 12:15 am

Kenny is not a master of anything. He introduced the idea that reading the cards could be done, and showed success in the beginning by mapping a few, not the whole deck. I don't know if his telekinesis video is still up, but that is an even bigger sham than his 'card reading' talents. The video shows him 'moving' a stack of chips, making them fall over, etc... If you watch the video very closely, you can see that he probably used a string attached to the chips, and in one video a string attached to the card holder. The other possibility is that he used his hands to direct the air from the fan blowing next to him onto the chips, either way, there isn't anything psychic to it, just Kenny pulling a fast one. Like teacher like student I suppose. I'm not trying to bad mouth Kenny, but when you purport to do the impossible, and then run around a group of highly suggestible people telling them they can do it too, the whole while knowing what you are suggesting is not only impossible, but that you cheated to attain the desired outcome, while pretending to use what you learned through focus, you deserve public ridicule and embarrassment. Kenny was the poster boy for cleaning out casinos, but his luck at casinos is no better than the average person who goes there. I think he got caught up in the attention he received and just kept pushing the envelope. Amongst a large group that praises acts of the 'psychic mind' acknowledgment from that group is powerful, and for a long time, Kenny was spoke of in hushed tones of hero worship. When JZ puts you front and center, because you are such a special student, that feeling is like a drug, the power, the joy, and the being placed on the pedestal by the other 'students'. Kenny is no different than anyone else on this planet, he just got caught up in the overwhelming sense of self importance that pervades JZ Knights Scam Academy.

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Unread post by ex » Thu May 12, 2011 4:40 am

when i started the teachers were pushing being impeccable in the card field. they seriously explained that you cant turn the card on the second rail if its not exactly in line with the uper card. i think all the disciplines are just to manipulate you. to keep you in the swing. i'm a looser to hurray i did it.

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Unread post by Dove » Sun May 15, 2011 11:22 am

Thanks for this latest bit of news Vanilla. It doesn't surprise me at all. Yes, why didn't Ramtha know people were mapping cards?? After all, isn't he supposed to be the "all knowing" Hierophant??

It reminds me of the time when Ramtha named Hal "Master of the Tank". At an event Hal told the audience that he tunes into the environment around him/uses his senses to find doors in the tank etc. Ramtha then declared that Hal was NOT Master of the Tank after all because he did not do it through analogical focus. This was one of the first big red flags for me. I had always heard Ramtha brag how he reads our bands/auras, knows what we're thinking, feeling etc, how he watches us doing our disciplines and knows who's analogical & who's not. It was obvious to me from then on that Ramtha definitely DID NOT read bands/auras. I couldn't believe how a hierophant could get it so wrong.

I feel sorry for all those people that spent all those hours focusing on cards for no purpose at all. It is so typical of JZ in her altered ego Ramtha to boost people up, then tear them down. It doesn't surprise me at all that students are fighting amongst themselves, there must be a few bruised egos around town.

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Unread post by joe sz » Sun May 15, 2011 3:09 pm

Dove,
you reminded me of something I observed decades ago with clients and in myself---
the lesson one learns on the path to enlightenment from a deceptive cult leader is that the cult leader is deceptive and not enlightened AND I can be fooled.

The true master is one that bows out of the cult after "seeing" this lesson and learns to apply it to other encounters.

Tough lesson to learn for some because with a little humble "stop and think" [like asking an expert in these matters] we can learn that my powerful impression/intuition/experience/resonance/feeling/higher-self/subconscious/muse/angel
is wrong
and years of wrong-headed effort could be avoided:?:

there is an interesting insight to this in the Christian tradition:
"Simon, Simon, listen! Satan has asked permission to sift all of you like wheat,"--- Lk 22:31.
of course, satan is labelled "father of lies" ---John 8:44

--but it applies across the board in human religious experience as "deceivers" and self-deception are common barriers to all paths.

Zoroastrians called this principle Ahriman/Angra Mainyu:
The aka mainyu epithet recurs in Yasna 32.5, when the principle is identified with the daevas that deceive humankind and themselves.


Hellenschmidt, Clarice & Kellens, Jean (1993), "Daiva", Encyclopaedia Iranica, 6, Costa Mesa: Mazda, pp. 599–602

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