I have lost a mother… it’s a terrible desease… ramthitis… it devours your sould filling it with fear, it changes your face as it looks for “the signs” of the end… an end she believes will spare her at her almost 70 years of age, and end she will survive thanks to the teaching, stored food and bunkers… as if at 70 she will be able to repopulate the planet once she and the few “enlightened” survivors will come out from their caves…
I lost a mother, (or should I say she has lost me), to her staring cards and statistically failed attemts to see thru their backs…
I have lost her to her preparations for survival and fear of death promoted by the group.
I have lost a mother who all of a sudden became a quantum physicist, while attempting her best shot as a healer, reader of minds, bilocator, astral traveler… well the tuition and books and machines are all there and paid for… but she is a slow learner… tenacious though!
I lost her when on March 31st she stayed on the net all day listening to a fat bottoxed alchoholic liar with emphysema telling her (and “only” her, she had 3 days to pack her belongings and move to a location 2000 meters above sea level with a bunch of “enlightened” schooled paranoyds who ended up stealing the little cash she had and equiment we had for the family ranch.
I lost her to her fear of the tsunami the Pacific Coast was going to have when Japan was “going to sink” on April 3rd…
She lost a husband many years ago when she was too busy elevating herself while forgetting being “here and now”, she also lost grandchildren and my brothers, and we all lost each others in a blamegame that came as a result of the RSE (what an offensive name for the wise!).
reminds me of a buddhist fable: A student asks the master…”if I meditate 4 hours a day how long before I become enlightened?”… and the master said:”10 years”… so the student with a big smile asking something he already thought he knew the answer for asked again: “And if I meditate 8 hours a day?” … and the master with a smile said “Never” !
The wise man is s/he who falling from a cliff enjoys every centimeter of the panorama. That, is enlightenment.
Living in fear of death (the only certainty we are born with) is such a manipulative tactic, and so low that all I can wish for this fat bottoxed lady… may you die the most painful non-morphined death anybody can imagine while to are forced to watch (with eye implements a la Clockwork Orange) the whole series of your tapes... while a mirror is placed above your death bed to show you first hand the slow decay of your synthetic body!
Adios Mother
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it’s all about the money… these “secretive teachings” can be obtained following ancient metaphysical schools like the RC etc. There’s nothing to be channeled here! Besides for the seeker the info is there within, no need for a “school” system, especially if tuition based.
My claim of this being a business comes from the local chapter or these ramthitis affected souls, they established their own Yelm type compound creating a lucrative real estate business for the organizers. The business is fear based (you’ve got to have a bunker to survive!)… and in my mother’s particular case she was sent “geological” maps of the site she was living at to prove it was filled with dangerously dormant volcanoes (Is’t Rainier a big baby anyway, and Yelm just above sea level??) to help her make an educated decision as to where she needed to be during the end of times, earth changes, earth axis shift and whatever you want to add to the fear doctrine!
This is one on one marketing, they first establish the mental weakness of the subject (sorry mother!), then they fill them up with more death fears (isn’t being born the beginning of the bardo process anyway?), then they show you a hologrammed bottoxed alcoholic lady as a the keeper of the keys of the ambrosia flowing from the fountain of youth, then they put a toll booth and charge entry, but the learning is only complete if you keep “updating” your knowledge (i.e. tollbooth trail becomes a circular path that brings you back to the tollbooth!) and cutting ties with your past (as illumination is a lone process!!).
What strikes me the most is the fanatism about the persona this sect is able to create… if you try to discuss the subject of the he/she (ramtha, jz) status…, or what channeling has been proved to be (a trance state where one is able to pick-up current life memories, nothing of this 35K year baloney… the fact that IT cannot speak nothing but contemporary shakespearean theater English proves the fact) it becomes an anathema, and conversation becomes a heated argument where “I’m creating my reality” becomes the ending sencence that puts critical thinking at bay!
So, for a sect that despises so much Catholics for their dogmas and hidden secrets, this JZ thing… seems to be totally incongruent as she adopts the vilest forms of dogmatic “thought” sprinkled with new age wanna-feel-good … at least Anthony Robbins is honest about it and refers to it as neurolinguistics!!
My claim of this being a business comes from the local chapter or these ramthitis affected souls, they established their own Yelm type compound creating a lucrative real estate business for the organizers. The business is fear based (you’ve got to have a bunker to survive!)… and in my mother’s particular case she was sent “geological” maps of the site she was living at to prove it was filled with dangerously dormant volcanoes (Is’t Rainier a big baby anyway, and Yelm just above sea level??) to help her make an educated decision as to where she needed to be during the end of times, earth changes, earth axis shift and whatever you want to add to the fear doctrine!
This is one on one marketing, they first establish the mental weakness of the subject (sorry mother!), then they fill them up with more death fears (isn’t being born the beginning of the bardo process anyway?), then they show you a hologrammed bottoxed alcoholic lady as a the keeper of the keys of the ambrosia flowing from the fountain of youth, then they put a toll booth and charge entry, but the learning is only complete if you keep “updating” your knowledge (i.e. tollbooth trail becomes a circular path that brings you back to the tollbooth!) and cutting ties with your past (as illumination is a lone process!!).
What strikes me the most is the fanatism about the persona this sect is able to create… if you try to discuss the subject of the he/she (ramtha, jz) status…, or what channeling has been proved to be (a trance state where one is able to pick-up current life memories, nothing of this 35K year baloney… the fact that IT cannot speak nothing but contemporary shakespearean theater English proves the fact) it becomes an anathema, and conversation becomes a heated argument where “I’m creating my reality” becomes the ending sencence that puts critical thinking at bay!
So, for a sect that despises so much Catholics for their dogmas and hidden secrets, this JZ thing… seems to be totally incongruent as she adopts the vilest forms of dogmatic “thought” sprinkled with new age wanna-feel-good … at least Anthony Robbins is honest about it and refers to it as neurolinguistics!!
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Hello Adios Mother,
Welcome. Your post was touching and familiar. Thank you for sharing such a private painful experience and for so eloquently doing so. I hope you can find healing here, I know in the beginning for me, it helped just to know that people were listening and those people cared.
Thank you, and again Welcome
Welcome. Your post was touching and familiar. Thank you for sharing such a private painful experience and for so eloquently doing so. I hope you can find healing here, I know in the beginning for me, it helped just to know that people were listening and those people cared.
Thank you, and again Welcome
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thank you.... I am amazed to see how many people have been affected by this cult!
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Hi, Adios. It has been over 3 years since my daughter, who was supposed to be fairly intelligent and 47 years old, got involved with Judy's cult. She took my 2 grandchildren out there.
The grandson (oldest) got hooked and has graduated to other kooky things. The grand-daughter never bought the scam and came home with her father after a Christmas visit. Then my daughter showed up, with one of her ramster friends, and told my son-in-law that if he "wanted to keep the family together", he'd have to move out there with them. He never had the backbone to stand up to her, so my granddaughter got dragged out there against her will, and they been out there for about 3 years. We saw them once when she came home to sell their house..
When she was first getting involved, I tried to talk to her logically and was told I was just ignorant, since I had not experienced all the great things she had. We talked about my age and infirmaties and her mother's Alzheimer's. I mentioned that she might have her mother's Alzheimer's gene, and she said it was no problem, since she could change her DNA. They teach that everyone creates their own reality, so any problems they have is their own fault. I guess it will be our fault if we die without seeing our grandchildren again.
At one time, I contemplated trying to take out Judy, myself, but decided I was to old and infirm to pull it off. I also hope she dies a horrible death, and the sooner the better. I have also hoped my daughter would come down with some painful disease, so she might get her mind back when she couldn't cure herself. But, I guess if that happened, she would just be told it was her own fault, since that is the "reality" she created.
I have been constantly amazed at the thousands of seemingly intelligent people, from all over the world, who have fallen for this SCAM. Fortunately, the ones you will meet here have recovered and are in various stages of recovering from their brainwashing and getting their minds back.
If there was any justice, in this world, Judy would have died a horrible death, years ago.
The grandson (oldest) got hooked and has graduated to other kooky things. The grand-daughter never bought the scam and came home with her father after a Christmas visit. Then my daughter showed up, with one of her ramster friends, and told my son-in-law that if he "wanted to keep the family together", he'd have to move out there with them. He never had the backbone to stand up to her, so my granddaughter got dragged out there against her will, and they been out there for about 3 years. We saw them once when she came home to sell their house..
When she was first getting involved, I tried to talk to her logically and was told I was just ignorant, since I had not experienced all the great things she had. We talked about my age and infirmaties and her mother's Alzheimer's. I mentioned that she might have her mother's Alzheimer's gene, and she said it was no problem, since she could change her DNA. They teach that everyone creates their own reality, so any problems they have is their own fault. I guess it will be our fault if we die without seeing our grandchildren again.
At one time, I contemplated trying to take out Judy, myself, but decided I was to old and infirm to pull it off. I also hope she dies a horrible death, and the sooner the better. I have also hoped my daughter would come down with some painful disease, so she might get her mind back when she couldn't cure herself. But, I guess if that happened, she would just be told it was her own fault, since that is the "reality" she created.
I have been constantly amazed at the thousands of seemingly intelligent people, from all over the world, who have fallen for this SCAM. Fortunately, the ones you will meet here have recovered and are in various stages of recovering from their brainwashing and getting their minds back.
If there was any justice, in this world, Judy would have died a horrible death, years ago.
Down with Judith Hampton Knight!
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Hi Adios,
I'm so sorry about your mother. I can also relate. My mother moved to Yelm at the age of 72. My sister and her husband also live there as do my aunt and uncle. I understand your sadness, anger and frustration. It is very sad to lose a family to rse. My sister and mother's side of the family no longer speak to me since I am "evil" for not belonging to rse. People don't understand the devastation rse brings to entire families, not just those directly involved. My mother still talks to me but it is totally superficial as she won't share anything with me that is going on in her life on a day to day basis because I'm not rse and her life revolves around it...
... She tells me she is coming to visit but then never does and it never comes up again, because she always ends up spending all her money on rse. So we pretend she never said she was coming in the first place.
It was a very hard time for me when I realized the full extent of what rse was and how fully "disowned" I had been by my family because I did not believe. I read exchanges between my relatives describing me as "full of hate and gossip" because I wondered to them if my 72 year old mother was going to be ok moving across the united states to some place where she knows no one and had no money other than her social security income. They patted each other on the back for "only trying to help me" while telling me to my face they never wanted to have anything to do with me again. It is incredibly sad.
I have come to a point where I know there is nothing I can "do." And actually I would never attempt to talk them out of their beliefs as that is not my style and frankly, I don't care anymore what they believe or what they do. I think there should be freedom to discuss but with my family, there really was no discussion. I was told from the start that no discussion about rse would be tolerated unless I wanted to go to an "event." I can only move on with my own life and grieve when I have to. I don't think it's ever something you "get over." You just move on. I still follow and frequent this board because it is the only contact I have with my family, hearing about rse and reading the posts of those who have left. I feel if I were to let go of emf, I would lose them completely...
... It's been three years for me since they disowned me but I'm still trying to get used to the idea of having no family.
I'm so sorry about your mother. I can also relate. My mother moved to Yelm at the age of 72. My sister and her husband also live there as do my aunt and uncle. I understand your sadness, anger and frustration. It is very sad to lose a family to rse. My sister and mother's side of the family no longer speak to me since I am "evil" for not belonging to rse. People don't understand the devastation rse brings to entire families, not just those directly involved. My mother still talks to me but it is totally superficial as she won't share anything with me that is going on in her life on a day to day basis because I'm not rse and her life revolves around it...
... She tells me she is coming to visit but then never does and it never comes up again, because she always ends up spending all her money on rse. So we pretend she never said she was coming in the first place. It was a very hard time for me when I realized the full extent of what rse was and how fully "disowned" I had been by my family because I did not believe. I read exchanges between my relatives describing me as "full of hate and gossip" because I wondered to them if my 72 year old mother was going to be ok moving across the united states to some place where she knows no one and had no money other than her social security income. They patted each other on the back for "only trying to help me" while telling me to my face they never wanted to have anything to do with me again. It is incredibly sad.
I have come to a point where I know there is nothing I can "do." And actually I would never attempt to talk them out of their beliefs as that is not my style and frankly, I don't care anymore what they believe or what they do. I think there should be freedom to discuss but with my family, there really was no discussion. I was told from the start that no discussion about rse would be tolerated unless I wanted to go to an "event." I can only move on with my own life and grieve when I have to. I don't think it's ever something you "get over." You just move on. I still follow and frequent this board because it is the only contact I have with my family, hearing about rse and reading the posts of those who have left. I feel if I were to let go of emf, I would lose them completely...
... It's been three years for me since they disowned me but I'm still trying to get used to the idea of having no family."That's me in the corner -- losing my religion" -- REM
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adios mother thanks for the well written post. you are correct about everything. sorry that you lost your mom.
marie it blows me always away that there is totally the same reaction to outsiders. ramster on youtube and your family use the same argument to ridicule your opinion: not open minded, hateful, we don't get it......it clearly has to do with the brainwash program.
marie it blows me always away that there is totally the same reaction to outsiders. ramster on youtube and your family use the same argument to ridicule your opinion: not open minded, hateful, we don't get it......it clearly has to do with the brainwash program.
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Welcome to EMF, adiosmom. So sad to hear your story, and such a familiar one, and yet with its particular and personal impact and importance for yourself. I am so sorry for your pain and loss.
I really hope that it will prove to be something that your family will wake up from.
W.E
I really hope that it will prove to be something that your family will wake up from.
W.E
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P.S. You sure have got the RSE mechanisms and dynamics pinned down! I really hope your mom starts to see the truth of this very soon.
W.E
W.E
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I once told her that by worshiping this RSE (again, I hate to use this hijacked E word) gloom-and doom-end-of-the-world scenario, she was in effect "creating her own reality" of death and decay... and quite succesfully... boy did she get furious! Immediately she went on "the machine" that she bought at Yelm (almost $10K ... but it was the best, the inventor told her so!)... hooked it up and zapped herself with three hours of "cell reprograming"... but alas, I think she turned the dial to the wrong side!!! All I can do is laugh about the absurdity of the situation...
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I can't stand the word either, since it is so ridiculous. I just refer to the character as Judy and the group as the ramster SCAM. I believe those terms are totally accurate.adiosmom wrote: (again, I hate to use this hijacked E word)
Down with Judith Hampton Knight!
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Oh... and I forget a "minor" detail about the Yelm type compound that was being marketed to local ramsters as being the only spot in the region that would survive all the axis shifts, tsunamis famines, radiation and solar flares we the peons will be exposed to...
the ramsters that got suckered into this real estate deal... had to cut their losses short (among them apparently my mother who will not talk about the downfall with us mortals, I suppose out of embarassement!) because the local ramthian leader did not have a clear title to the land he was selling... so the rightful owners came out and claimed the land and the constructions they had started!!
Why doesn' t this type of poetic justice hit their bottoxed leader??
the ramsters that got suckered into this real estate deal... had to cut their losses short (among them apparently my mother who will not talk about the downfall with us mortals, I suppose out of embarassement!) because the local ramthian leader did not have a clear title to the land he was selling... so the rightful owners came out and claimed the land and the constructions they had started!!
Why doesn' t this type of poetic justice hit their bottoxed leader??
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As I read "Adios mother' my herart went out to you - I believe they are what i term as "lifers" So conditioned and brain washed their inability to return to logical brain has been distroyed.
My involvement was now 20 yrs ago I regularly check this site hoping that one day news of this evil school will be of its colapse - and jz along with it '
My husband decided he had outgrown us all - 5 of our own children plus his neice whom we brought up and her . extended family were abandoned
New life new wife- he cut himself off from all contact with his family in order to become a christ Aim also to become i
invisable !
Two yrs ago we managed to have his ashes returned- he died with altzheimers and major health problems
It took me some time to unengage from ramthitis and am now secretly embarrased that i could have been sucked in
I have a great life. Free from all her toxic c---p
Enlightenment is love, living giving and caring
My involvement was now 20 yrs ago I regularly check this site hoping that one day news of this evil school will be of its colapse - and jz along with it '
My husband decided he had outgrown us all - 5 of our own children plus his neice whom we brought up and her . extended family were abandoned
New life new wife- he cut himself off from all contact with his family in order to become a christ Aim also to become i
invisable !
Two yrs ago we managed to have his ashes returned- he died with altzheimers and major health problems
It took me some time to unengage from ramthitis and am now secretly embarrased that i could have been sucked in
I have a great life. Free from all her toxic c---p
Enlightenment is love, living giving and caring
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Sounds like this should be grounds for a huge lawsuit, if not criminal charges - - - but I guess, they are convinced they created their own reality and don't blame Judy.adiosmom wrote: the ramsters that got suckered into this real estate deal... had to cut their losses short (among them apparently my mother who will not talk about the downfall with us mortals, I suppose out of embarassement!) because the local ramthian leader did not have a clear title to the land he was selling... so the rightful owners came out and claimed the land and the constructions they had started!!
But, I guess Judy owns the CRIMINAL justice? system in the area, anyway?
Down with Judith Hampton Knight!
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sue them? we are at the end of times... by the time the discovery process is over the tsunami will have lost all the papers!!
besides if you sue them you are preculded from attending the new and improved "secrets revealed" sessions!!
nope... better take a bite and move on to the next elightened rip off!
besides if you sue them you are preculded from attending the new and improved "secrets revealed" sessions!!
nope... better take a bite and move on to the next elightened rip off!
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sad grandfather: in the last year several ramsters make real fishi land deals. they sell places in ugs to finance the building. or in existing structures a place. some properties are subdivided already. without any leagel bearing contracts. so there is nothing legal other than the owner who wants the land back. in general there r no contracts made when ugs get build. because you don,t involve the government. they will come and steal your beans. even so there are probably tons of usda food rotting away every year because it doesen't get eaten. anyway the ug builder can overcharge, making insufficient work or don't finish at all without getting put to court. by the way the ug builder and theire employesare the bottomfeeder who go to events.so thousends of $$$ of this oekonemie end up in jzs pockets thgrough wages spent at rse. totaly legal. also the real estate is continues buisness. i know from 3 agents who go to rse to keep theire money milk cow..... what was the machine your mother bought? adios?
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I really don't know the names of these health "machines"... wires... lts of wires...
the "funniest" one is like a huge light bulb like that you hold in your hands while it zaps you with eletricity beams... also you feet are placed on a plate ... really don't ask me what it is... my mom's wrinkles are there and thriving, even accellerating for all the death fears!
the "funniest" one is like a huge light bulb like that you hold in your hands while it zaps you with eletricity beams... also you feet are placed on a plate ... really don't ask me what it is... my mom's wrinkles are there and thriving, even accellerating for all the death fears!
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Ah... the best selling point of these gadgets is... "the government and corporations" do not want us to know they exist!... let me in on this secret"
While I am a firm believer that today's corporatocracy has influenced health standards (nd many more things) to their economic advantage, I also believe that this constant excuse has become the only selling point for ... besides the sales pitch of the inventor assuring you "this is the best type around, buy mine!!"
While I am a firm believer that today's corporatocracy has influenced health standards (nd many more things) to their economic advantage, I also believe that this constant excuse has become the only selling point for ... besides the sales pitch of the inventor assuring you "this is the best type around, buy mine!!"
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Some lost wealth money and a great sexy men back home in paradise, average income in 6 digits. to Rainy cold Yelm.
When body mind consciousness is alive here just as much...with
JZs celebrity worship and anyone with money.
You cant move away from human nature. Spiritual people are sometimes worst than materialistic. With casino trips and cards with dollar signs all over them. Jzs plastic surgery,because beauty is skin deep.
Nothing soul giving here.
When body mind consciousness is alive here just as much...with
JZs celebrity worship and anyone with money.
You cant move away from human nature. Spiritual people are sometimes worst than materialistic. With casino trips and cards with dollar signs all over them. Jzs plastic surgery,because beauty is skin deep.
Nothing soul giving here.
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vanilla
I think you bring up a good point re spiritual people
of course many of these folks are humble and good citizens but there is a "disease" [already noted in other posts] among the self-proclaimed spiritually enlightened: enlightenment = entitlement.
that old zen adage about 'chop wood, carry water' seems to escape the entitled in any religion or cult.
enlightenment entitles us to nothing except better service to others in proper Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition as well...
I think you bring up a good point re spiritual people
of course many of these folks are humble and good citizens but there is a "disease" [already noted in other posts] among the self-proclaimed spiritually enlightened: enlightenment = entitlement.
that old zen adage about 'chop wood, carry water' seems to escape the entitled in any religion or cult.
hindus call this dharma or your given duty and responsiblity during a lifetime----just do it!Before enlightenment chop wood and carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.
enlightenment entitles us to nothing except better service to others in proper Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition as well...