EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

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EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by David McCarthy » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:16 am

For the EMF record.
From a letter sent to the Bureau of Consumer Protection, March 29, 2010
detailing complaints of gross business violations and practices at RSE,Inc.
Todate there has been no response from the Consumer Response Center.
Here is their reply.

David
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20580 Consumer Response Center
March 29, 2010
Anonymous
EMF
PO Box 1694 Yelm, WA 98597
RE: FTC Ref. No. 25956849
Dear Anonymous
Your recent Correspondence to the Director of the Bureau of Consumer Protection, David Vladek, addressing your concerns with Ramtha's School of Enlightenment has been referred to the Consumer Response Center for a reply.
The Federal Trade Commission acts in the public interest to stop business practices that violate the laws it enforces. Letters from consumers and businesses are very important to the work of the Commission. They are often the first indication of a problem in the marketplace and may provide the initial evidence to begin an investigation. The Commission does not resolve individual complaints. The Commission can, however, act when it sees a pattern of possible violations developing.
The information you have provided will be recorded in our complaint retention system. This computerized system enables us to identify questionable business practices that are generating numerous complaints and may be in violation of the law. Because much of the information in your letter deals with violations of state law, we would suggest that you contact the Washington State Attorney General, Office of Consumer Protection at:
1125 Washington Street SE PO Box 40100 Olympia, WA 98504-0100 Tel: 1-800-551-4636
Thank you for providing information that may be used to develop or support Commission enforcement initiatives.
Sincerely Yours,
Consumer Response Center
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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by Sad Grandfather » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:47 pm

And then - - - - nothing?
Down with Judith Hampton Knight!

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by David McCarthy » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:17 pm

And then - - - - nothing?
Correct.
As with all our letters sent to State and Federal agencies detailing fraudulent business practices
and health and safety concerns at RSE they were totally ignored.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by Rooster » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:16 am

Maybe we should all write a letter concerning our complaints about bad business. It takes a majority to make a difference.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by Ockham » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:56 am

To incur the ire of the US federal government, JZ needs to go a liitle larger - not pay the IRS for a couple years in a row, promote a more patently illegal drug like MDMA (Ecstasy), or promote Internet under-age pornography.

JZ probably thinks she has a Get Out of Jail Free card because she had lunch with Michelle Obama.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by preeatenna » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:05 am

She probably has a Get Out of Jail Free card because she contributed so much to the President's campaign fund. It would be interesting to know which other president's she has contributed to.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:16 am

this is probably the best response you can get anonymous. or is this only here shown like this?

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Unread post by Rooster » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:15 am

I just know I sued two companies by the majority rules and got my money back.The state sued the ciggerette company. Had a hell of a general attornry general. Just saying, and it was a high end mortgage co and credit card co.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:45 am

this is probably the best response you can get anonymous. or is this only here shown like this?
Hi ex, everyone.
The letter and documents were not sent anonymously.
They were signed as:
Respectfully yours,
(EMF) Enlighten Me Free
(Representatives of Former RSE Members & Interested Parties)
To view the letters and documents:
View topic - EMF Introductory letter sent to Federal, State, and local government agencies.
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1117

View topic - EMF Main Document sent to Federal, State, and local government agencies and enforcement's
viewforum.php?f=43

EMF recommended reading .. :idea:
Class action - Wikipedia,
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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:51 pm

well then send it to the address they suggest. they give you the runaround to look how serious emf is.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:26 pm

well then send it to the address they suggest. they give you the runaround to look how serious emf is.
Thank you for your suggestion ex
But you are assuming we have not already done so.

David.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:15 pm

ye i thought you had but couldn't find the thread.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:29 pm

that isn't the response to a different letter?

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:12 pm

that isn't the response to a different letter?
I don't understand your question ex,
Yes... the letter predates the one sent out to the the Federal Trade Commission.
See:
(EMF) Online Forum • View topic - The Attorney General Complaint Letter
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=39&p=247#p247

Does you think this changes anything?

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:52 pm

as i understand you send in a lot of evidence about parking fire exits......... the link you put here is the response to the effort of an australien customer. it was a different former approach.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:15 pm

as i understand you send in a lot of evidence about parking fire exits.........
Hi ex,
Then you haven't read the letter in full... :-?
Please do so.
David

Here is a sample...
1. There is no department for customer/students complaints or concerns. There is no phone number or email listed to contact a representative directly for customer dissatisfaction. The emails on the website are for purchases of events (classes), products, or media.
2. Neither J.Z. Knight, the channel for Ramtha, nor Ramtha, the teacher can be contacted directly.
3. Letters directed to J.Z Knight do not generally appear to be answered. I have heard from a former student that inner circle staff censor the mail for J.Z. Knight and she only reads selected items. The former student has had contact with inner circle staff.
4. The JZ Knight/RSE organization does not appear to take any accountability at all for what Ramtha teaches, or presents to the student body. Some of that is extremely questionable.
5. The organization does not have any ?Code of Practice? to ensure the rights of students to get value from what is offered.
6. There is no evaluation of long-term customer satisfaction and there appears to be no interest at all in investigating why enormous numbers of students no longer attend. (Currently there are 3,000 students. Tens of thousands have attended. ) It is in direct conflict with the short-term customer evaluation. (See example 1A.)

A variety of incidences do not indicate that a dissatisfied customer base will be accommodated at all.

7. A student I know of has been permanently expelled from this school for breaching supposed conditions of attendance without having a fair hearing, or the ability to present their case in a suitable fashion. There was also the threat of legal action against this person.
8. The organization is the only one of its kind. Students are fearful of being permanently, or temporarily, expelled or having the threat of legal action being taken against them for objecting to RSE/J.Z. Knight/ Ramtha for a variety of reasons.
9. Students have been forcibly removed from the premises for disagreeing with administrative procedure (see example 1C.)
10. Two teachers, appointed by Ramtha to teach Beginning classes, have been very harshly treated by the organization. Both were very dedicated students of more than 20 years duration. One was severely humiliated and her position in the organization terminated. The other has been dismissed with pending legal action. Both had been teaching for many years. Basically J.Z. Knight has copyrighted the teachings and no one else has the right to disseminate them. As I understand it this is the basis of the disagreement. The former teacher is also a public figurehead and after more than two decades of study he is not permitted to impart what he has learned. A former student with whom I have communication has direct contact with one of the teachers.
11. The administrators in RSE are just prone to telling any objectors that they create reality (the basis of the teachings is that you create everything in your life) and anything the organization does is a product of that person?s creation. In effect there is no accountability of the organization at all. Therefore to rectify your situation you must change your attitude. It never appears to occur to them that if a product/service is offered that there ought to be accountability for it. The ?create your reality? attitude is a convenient excuse for taking no responsibility for what is offered by the organization.
12. There is a very aggressive marketing agenda despite the absence of long ?term substantiation of the benefits of what is taught.
13. If someone has paid for a class (they call it an event) there are no refunds given, or transfers to another class, even if someone has a very good reason they cannot make it.
14. There have been a couple of incidences that I have heard about where an injured/ ill student is ignored by Ramtha. (See example 1B.)
15. The teacher, Ramtha, is the ultimate authority of the tuition. RSE staff and most current students accommodate what he says. The staff that cannot endure the things they witness end up leaving in disgust.
16. Ramtha has exhibited physical and emotional abuse of students and the student body in general accommodates this behaviour. He is regarded as an ascended, omnipotent being even though he never demonstrates what he teaches. Anyone challenging him is removed from the class.
17. The channel, J.Z Knight is the ultimate authority for the administration of the education.
18. FACTNet (Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network) appears to be the only place for public objection against this organization. Website?http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi. There are many student objections under the heading of Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment.
EXAMPLES:

1A. This quote is taken from the Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment website. A survey is presented at the first event that students attend. The event usually last 8 days. Students have this assessment because they are given the theory of how they have created their life and how to reformulate it. Suddenly they understand how to get rid of all of those things they don?t want in their life and bring into their lives all of those unfulfilled dreams. Student numbers have been consistently around 2,500 to 3,500 over the years. These numbers do not reflect this assessment.

Since 1999, Ramtha?s School of Enlightenment (RSE) has presented over 50 Beginning Retreats to over 7,000 people in ten different countries. And in surveys taken over the past three years, 84% - 90% of the students reported that the Beginning Retreat was "the greatest week of their life, so far."

1B. A former student sent this to me. It refers to an incident that occurred when students are blindfolded and put into a labyrinth with 8-foot high walls. The ladders go over the walls and there can be 1000 people or more in the labyrinth at the same time.

Another example of complaints being ignored is the type when a student gets injured.
They created their reality excuse.
A student told me this story.
While in the tank she foolishly decided to jump from the top of a ladder, she was convinced she was would be safe, she broke her ankle and laid on the ground screaming in agony and calling for help, "Ramtha" shouted directly at her to shut up, there is nothing wrong with you he bellowed, all the while other students were falling over her.... and the RSE staff ignored her... eventually they realized she was seriously hurt and taken to hospital...
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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by ex » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:18 pm

my confusion sorry. you ever got the response from the state attorney general that they received the complaint?
my guess no body did wanna touch it so it got 'lost' and there are more pressing crimes to take care of.
a state office is required to respond to a complaint from a citizen. even if the response is only an acknowledgement that they received your letter and think there is any other action unnecessary.

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Re: EMF letter to the Federal Trade Commisssion

Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:23 pm

Sure ex ..its a confusing and frustrating issue...
If you explore our EMF page..
This is the reply from the lawyer employed by JZK Inc
(EMF) Online Forum • View topic - AG complaint letter: reply from lawyer of JZK Inc
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1788&p=14032#p14032

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