I decided to respond on your post, from your post under threat to pavel.
Ever feel you were being chased by a rooster? Lol, I would welcome you and you would just run off from one post to another....Lol!
I am happy you did escape from rse. I am happy your mother had sense enough to at least not continue in the school. Yet she is still pulled into its web. I know how hard it is to have a relationship to those still in the school. I love my parents very much and still talk to them oftem. I see them as much as I can. They know how I feel about "Ramtha" and I am very short when they turn to rse babble. It can be very trying at times.
I am sorry for son. It sounds you do not communicate much. Any mother would be upset about the drinking. I am not at all suprised. You said he is not as dedicated, yet has a role in the school. He may be very confused and trying to figure out his own life. It is hard for those growing up in the school. There are many things that come into play, especially at his age.
I wish you the best in your recovery and well being. Your healing will help others.
In this case, your son and father are in the cult and you left them behind to get out. I am so sorry. I am. But you have rights as a mother and most authorities dont want kids in cults. It seems in your favor. But I understand your choices. We all have free will. Do you visit?
The brainwashing is terrible. Your son wont know what reality is. He is taught reality is -what reality isnt. That facts are monkey mind. If he grew up believing this stuff then went and tried to find a job, he would be socially different. Similar to the lost boys of the FLDS. Unless he stays in Yelm.
He may be happy, we make the best of situations..I am not cursing, just feeling sorry. This may be what he chooses.
It seems like teenagers brought up in the school, their future is pipe smoking, wine drinking around fire pit parties and building ugs. From what I have seen. They have Ramtha posters on their walls. Talk to the ram everyday in their heads.
What hurts most, is the friends I left behind, who wont talk to me anymore, wont even acknowledge me or anything nice that happens to me. Like I dont exist. When I left RSE.
Wow! what you said is so much more beautiful than it sounds on the surface! The thought that one can make somebody else's day! How powerful and loving is that! I have always felt that selflessness is a far more noble and powerful energy than the create your day egoism taught at RSE. That is such a great statement, and I only wish that some day I can live up to what it means.
I can be so overly sensitive about this whole mess! I am really sorry you're having a bad day.. I hope my post did not make it worse. It is really an accomplishment that we all have survived the sticky, convoluted web of R$E! I heard a talk a few months ago that I often refer to in my mind.
It was an old man around 78-79 years old, he came to tell his story, he was a natzi camp survivor. It was a moving, interesting, tragic, yet hopeful and inspiring speech. Afterwords, he sat down on the stage and took questions from the audience. My friend raised her hand and she was called on, she asked this man "how were you able to forgive humanity?" He stood up and walked over to my friend, held her hands and said "it does not help me or anyone else on this planet to live a life of hatred."
I have not got completely past the negativity I have in my heart for JZ/R. But it is my highest hope that i can one day be free from all the mental, spiritual, and emotional bondage of that place.
Mainly, I just wanted to apologize and tell you, you are not alone, I feel your pain. We all will carry on, as we all believe in the better side of humanity. At least I know I do! And something else I also know: There is a GOD and it is not me!
You have made my day on many occasions, I appreciate your research, intelligence and dry wit! If this site is like a warm bath of healing, with every post you make you are adding nice hot water to soothe our souls! Thank you!
Ps Looooooved the magic 8ball!
JZ is a horrible, horrible person. I don't forgive her but I see her for what she is. I don't let my extreme dislike of her overwhelm me. If my family wasn't still involved, I would think of her rarely and if I did it would be along the lines of what the F was I thinking and queue the laughter.
JZ is an old woman and she's running pretty hard. So, she won't be around forever. Hopefully, our families won't have to endure this much longer. That's where our love, understanding and learning from EMF will come into play as we try and help them come back to critical thinking and their place in the real world.
I totally understand what you're saying but I heard something from Maya Angelou that made me change my mind about forgiveness, it may or may not resonate with you:
"Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could be different than it is"
Forgiveness does not absolve the wrong doer, it frees you of the chains of hate so that person can no longer have that control over you. Forgiveness is for yourself!
I absolutely love that... I've been living off the saying "forgiveness is a gift to yourself" but I like what you've said even better!
Thank you so much for sharing it
I am so so sorry about your child and family members. I am so sorry for your years of confusion, those were not fair to you. How I hope telling you that I am so so sorry brings you some kind of comfort.
You seem very kind and able and smart!
You keep talking on here. I am interested to hear your process, because I am processing too.
And thank you so much HeyV. Your comments do help the healing process exponentially! And you inspired me to do some sharing (positive action).. and thanks for the WEC info, I checked them out and also enjoyed the reading, well, most of it anyway. I find I still get pretty angry inside when I hear people supporting rse, hopefully I will be able to come to terms with them better as I do still have family there.. btw, that, I am finding, is some of the more difficult areas to find peace in. That is where the most of my pain is now, my family members who I want the best for, who I want to have everything good in life and all I see at rse is bad.
Thanks for the post. It hit home. I know Rooster can relate to it. You may want to reach out to her. You've had some common experiences and Rooster has fought through it and built a great life for herself.
I think many do not realize what damage this caused.
Many of them drink like sieves and have not grown past the age of 14 when they were exposed to drinking
copious amounts of wine in RSE.
I am so glad you posted your personal story Sunshine.
It truly can help others get through this shitty process.
I want to say a heartfelt THANK YOU to you guys and to everyone on EMF for being here.. for being compassionate enough to help others, this site has helped me so much. It has added tremendously to my recovery that I had already been working on when I found EMF. I REALLY appreciate your support. You are all a great example of loving, caring, compassionate human beings and I am proud to be a part of this.
With much love and respect,