From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

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From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Vanilla » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:24 am

http://www.rse-newsletter.com/2012/11/f ... %E2%80%A6/

She writes
There is nothing that would sway my mind nor my heart away from the deep respect & profound love that I have for my teacher. Nothing. Never.
How dumb is that? I mean, I ask you honestly. Nothing would sway her from her leader..No matter what is said, or done. Just blind obedience. What about JZ faking being Ramtha? Would she be swayed then? I guess not. This girl is supersmart.

She believes JZ and Ramtha are not the same because
"scientists say so"
and
" And they don’t eat that whole time, nor use the bathroom. Hmmm…maybe he is who he says he is! "
There you go- the proof. So smart.

This woman did not leave her real name, thank heavens, this will ruin her life if she tries to get a job..but she left a picture and she is very pretty, airy fairy blonde.

Whatever this means, I think she is saying Ramtha's lies and abuse and doom are just so we can get to know ourselves.
One job of an enlightened master teacher in my current understanding which is always growing – is to take his students through the entire array of emotional responses/ reactions, in order to reveal aspects of our selves to us, which may have been hidden to us prior to that point.
Well, wine ceremonies will do that, & as the Ram has said, ” I will do anything for awakening..” . And he will do & say a lot – to shake us into waking up & seeing ourselves. Some of the things he says may seem offensive – he is trying to get an emotional response – don’t forget! What will he do? well…. get us inebriated
OMG this poor girl. Only Jz would have chosen to put this up. Its so dumb.

Saying wine brings out your true self-- For most, it does bring out addiction, most of these already poor folk do not need.....for real. She says its ok because Jesus drank too. Just have a glass. She said it has worked miracles for her. Yeah, just get drunk and turn out the lights and stare into someones eyes for two hours listening to Debbie Christie cd. Get drunk enough, you will see something, colors, other faces coming through from the other side with messages!!

She says she is Catholic and its ok to demean Catholics. Because she is one. So its ok to say all gay men were catholic women in past lives. Because she is catholic.

What do you guys think. Its awful. I mean I am saying I truly can be swayed. I love listening to other sides of the story and if you have a good defense, written well, I can be convinced. I can. I am not one way. If I received a written apology from the school and it was heartfelt, I would seriously consider. I believe the school can fix itself. I believe people can come clean, be honest, forgive and heal..Make right wrongs, give back, become better, BUT this letter here is so defensive, so stupid. It really made me just think how ridiculous they would put this poor womans face on a cult newsletter. I mean she is beautiful. I was hoping for something new, different heartfelt, true. I guess it is not coming.

She says that because RSE is not a satanic cult, that that makes it not a cult. Because her friend was in a satanic cult and raped all her life.

That because the schools message is " Behold God, you are Divine, You are GOD" that the whole school MUST be good, she says.


And back on the satanic cult thing, which was her defense....that Rse is not a cult because they are not satanists! She says


On the Official Satanic Cult website, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan
According to the Church of Satanism. The real one.
The Church of Satan does not "worship" or believe in Satan, nor do they believe in gods. Satanism follows the belief that one self is their own "God".
Satanism is a belief system that empowers the individual to be their own God


Sound familiar? So those same people raping her friend as a kid believed that very same thing that RSE teaches.

I mean is that crazy? RSE is nothing short of glorified Satanism.


Here are more quotes that remind me of RSE and I just googled 5 minutes total and got this
"Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped, rather a reservoir of power inside each human to be tapped at will."
( What RSE teaches, that you are god, the power within you)
"That is, the needs of worship, ritual, and religious or spiritual focus are directed, effectively, inwards towards the Satanist himself, as opposed to outwards towards a God."
( Rse teaches this)
"Halloween is very commonly celebrated by Satanists"
- (Every year the RSE has a huge trance blindfolded party Neewollah - Halloween spelled backwards- how Satanic is that Fiona?)

From Church of Satan website
"So to distinguish ourselves from the atheists who simply reject God as non-existent, we call ourselves “I-theists,” with our own healthy ego as the center of our perspective. This is truly a blasphemous concept that flies in the face of just about every other religion, and it is why Satan serves us well as a symbol. "
( Behold God, I am god, what RSE teaches)
I decide what is of value. I am my own highest value therefore I am my own God. I am an I-theist.
From Anton Lavey Church of Satan- on wine
The stimulating fluid or Elixir of Life used by the Pagans has been corrupted into sacramental
wine by the Christian faith. Originally, the liquor used in Pagan rituals was drunk to relax and
intensify the emotions of those involved in the ceremony.The Elixir of Life is to be drunk from the Chalice of Ecstasy, as indicated above, immediately
following the Invocation to Satan.
Black mass is gamblers masses getting together and calling on baccus the god of wine.
I would say RSE students are gamblers, they go to casino 5 nights a week stare at roulette, try to see through the dealers cards, see the numbers appear on walls, because they can see infrared. They think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mass


So Fiona, what you say now?

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Rooster » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:22 am

Thank you, for sharing Vanilla.
After 30 years of stupid teachings all I can see is brainwashed in a cult. Actually if you give a sociopath just enough rope, they will hang themselves. This is a great example!!! Would this woman drink the Koolaide? This is typical cult speech and mental state.

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Rooster » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:53 am

Even the Charles Manson followers talked this way. They loved their leader and could see no fault.

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Ockham » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:54 am

Ask any woman who was forcibly intoxicated at an RSE event with compulsory wine toast after wine toast, passed out and then found herself pregnant a few weeks later if she was raped in a cultic ritual. No, that was the glorious teacher showing her how to understand all the aspects of herself. Bull feathers!

Reality check: the harder RSE works to deny it is a cult, the more sure you can be that RSE is a cult.

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Vanilla » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:14 am

I did not drink wine, and if I did toast I got a small juice. Ramtha did notice and did say something. My partner poured me full wine. Ramtha would laugh at people who had splits. Half bottles.

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by California Dreamin' » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:41 pm

Reality check: the harder RSE works to deny it is a cult, the more sure you can be that RSE is a cult.
Ockham -
I was so brainwashed that I actually believed Ramtha when she/he said we were not in a cult. And I defended RSE to my outside friends using Ramtha's quotes as "proof."

CD

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by RoyGBiv » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:14 pm

Ockham wrote:Ask any woman who was forcibly intoxicated at an RSE event with compulsory wine toast after wine toast, passed out and then found herself pregnant a few weeks later if she was raped in a cultic ritual.

this really happened? holy shit. I missed the whole wine ceremony/puking/snotslinging/verbal abuse phase of the school. This blows my mind, Ockham

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by Ockham » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:14 pm

Of course, I am not an RSE student, and I have not seen this first hand. I have been told and have read some pretty hair raising stories of debauchery at Judy Knight's ranch. I think you can pretty safely put two and two together and conclude unsavory results are the outcome of wire ceremonies. People drink until they pass out. There are more than a few students without moral scruples available to take advantage of other students too intoxicated to fend for themselves.

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by David McCarthy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:19 pm

this really happened?
Yes. RSE circa 2001
I remember clearly….
A very confused friend (D) telling me that she was raped during a wine ceremony,
Her main confusion and pain was..How did I create that reality... no victims right?
little mention of the bastard that raped her while she was practically passed out drunk in the arena.
But he has nothing on at all, cried at last the whole people....

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by RoyGBiv » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:23 am

now THAT is messed up, David. bhhhhr

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Re: From Ireland, very far away from Yelm, a student speaks

Unread post by seriously » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:01 am

I remember Ramtha bringing up brainwashing saying something close to "What is this washing of brains? How does one wash a brain?" Everyone laughed.

As many of us know, it's difficult if not impossible to have a logical conversation with people like the RSE Inc follower from Ireland.

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