Dr Greg's warning - negative effects of a/depressants Prozac

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Caterpillar
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Dr Greg's warning - negative effects of a/depressants Prozac

Unread post by Caterpillar » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:38 pm

Another contradiction in RSE as it recommended Prozac around 1996 and onwards.
Now, RSE has stopped promoting Prozac and in Feb 2012, fake Dr Greg warned about the negative effects of antidepressants e.g. SSRIs such as Prozac. :shock:

I tried to interview Ramtha about the Prozac discrepancy but he was nowhere to be found... :roll:

Antidepressants Cause Your Arteries to Thicken 400% More Than Aging

Depression may be the worst emotional experience there is. The causes are many, and it often drives people to zig-zag past everything that matters and into a pill bottle of pharmaceutical ‘treatments’. But these solutions offered by the pharmaceutical industry are nothing but a sham, and their antidepressant products only make you more depressed and trigger suicidal thoughts. One study has also found that antidepressants cause your arteries to thicken 400% more than aging – a main factor in the thickening of the arteries. naturalsociety.com

Feb 2012, Dr Greg's Physics of Change Newsletter http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter0212.html

From article, Antidepressants Linked to Heart Disease and Stroke

The most commonly prescribed antidepressants are known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), such as Prozac. Researchers found that participants who used SSRIs, which were 60 percent of those taking antidepressants, had higher carotid IMT. This may be due to the effects antidepressants have on serotonin levels, which is a chemical in your body that helps some brain cells communicate.

These findings are just one more thing to add to the long list of why people shouldn’t be taking many harmful pharmaceuticals. More than 1 in 10 Americans are on these suicide-linked antidepressants even though they do not work and only make the problem worse. Instead of resorting to these pharmaceuticals, try supplementing with vitamin D, as it has been shown to defeat depression naturally. It is also key to de-stress the brain, as depression is always cultivated from stress-related aspects of your life.

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/antidepressan ... z2JAtNDKTa

Contrast this warning to a previous RSE Newsletter in 2006 promoting the benefits of Prozac and praising Ramtha for recommending Prozac in 1996, 10 years before the scientific findings:

Recent scientific research has verified Ramtha's description of the effects and benefits of Prozac on the brain. The scientific findings were led by Grigori Enikolopov at the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory and were published in May 2006 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences...

Ramtha explained the mechanism and benefits of Prozac on the human brain in May 1996, exactly ten years before the scientists disclosed their discovery based on the study of lab mice:

"I find the neurotransmitting qualities of Prozac to be extraordinarily favorable because it replaces what drugs and marijuana, too much hard drink, and too much pollution does finally to the brain. It makes the synaptic cleft incapable of pulling up and holding serotonin. Without serotonin being held at the synaptic cleft, those who suffer depression and erratic thinking cannot function correctly because the brain is unduly starved and mutated by a severe amount of drugs. This mercifully corrects the problem and allows serotonin to be taken up into the neuron and held there without immediately being released. This affords the neuron the ability to be a transmitter and a receiver of thought. Prozac is what brings back a calming, logical, flowing thinking, whereas marijuana destroys the brain. It destroys the brain cells. The 'high' is the death of the brain."

— Ramtha

Ramtha's description of the effects of Prozac goes far beyond what the scientists have been able to find and verify. In the spring of 2000, Ramtha explained:

"Prozac isn't a drug. It is an inhibitor. The part of your brain you use every day is your 'beefy' brain. It is the brain that takes the lion's share of serotonin to get up and get moving those chemicals. If we are living exclusively for our brain chemistry, we have a collapse of emotion. Eventually we are going to get bored with what we are doing and we are going to collapse and start being manic-depressive. What that means is that no matter what you do, you see that you have already done it so the joy is going to be short-lived. That is called manic- depressiveness. It is a chronic condition."

"Prozac takes up serotonin and holds it so there are new parts of your brain that actually come alive. The old neuronet doesn't get the lion's share of serotonin so you don't have a tendency to be depressed. You don't have a tendency to be habitual. You will not have a tendency to overeat. You will not have a tendency to be oversexual. You will not be violent. You will not have fantasies that grow within 'the corral' over there. You will start living from a new part of your brain. All Prozac does is make sure that this new part of the brain takes up serotonin, keeps it there, and uses it."

— Ramtha

http://www.ram-europa.com/EN_Newsletter ... 2_Is-3.htm

Ockham
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Re: Dr Greg's warning - negative effects of a/depressants Pr

Unread post by Ockham » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:20 pm

Thanks Caterpillar. You nailed one my pet peeves with RSE: unlicensed practice of medicine.

I wonder if, "Ramtha," took, "Dr.." Greg out to the wood shed in back of the ranch and kicked Greg's ass for contradicting the, "teacher," or should I say, contradicting the chief charlatan. One of the two must be wrong, right?

The RSE crap about the, "beefy part of the brain," nabbing all the great serotonin that could otherwise be used in pursuit of intellect or whatever is some of the worst pseudo science garbage I've had the displeasure of reading recently. It pretty much fits, though, with the Judy Knight modus operandi of being well read, but uneducated. I can just picture Ms. Knight plowing through stacks of magazines like Psychology Today and Scientific American and watching The History Channel on television in between bottles of Two Buck Chuck wine. What you've got in Ms. Knight is a parrot with an eidetic memory but not the education to back it up. Once Ms. Knight’s got some facts, then she makes up stories from her high school level education to backfill a package of drivel she can barf out (sometimes literally) as she pretends to be, "Ramtha," in her arena. Ms. Knight's ego and the need to not let the cat out of the bag that, "Ramtha," is make-believe precludes Ms. Knight from getting expert opinion to flesh out her stories on things such as Prozac [ab]use. This has led Ms. Knight to say dangerously under-informed, incorrect and irresponsible things about Prozac.

Prozac is extremely dangerous when taken at the same time as some medications for heart disease. The result can be heart failure and death. RSE has no business in making unqualified claims about Prozac and encouraging people to take unspecified doses at unspecified intervals. Who knows how many of RSE's, "students," took Ms. Knight's advice to abuse Prozac and then quietly died due to drug interaction with the heart medications they were taking. Unless family members had a reason to suspect Prozac abuse was going on, the deaths could have been chalked up to just being a progression of the unfortunate persons' heart disease, and nobody would have been the wiser. That RSE encourages isolation from family, just serves to make this bad outcome all the more likely.

Tree
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Re: Dr Greg's warning - negative effects of a/depressants Pr

Unread post by Tree » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:31 am

Not to mention, Prozac does NOT do well with alcohol.

It leads to suicidal thoughts.


in hindsight, I am with Ockham here.

outlandish for a group leader to be suggesting anti- depressants and then introducing wine.

Sunshine
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Re: Dr Greg's warning - negative effects of a/depressants Pr

Unread post by Sunshine » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:41 am

Also, the two together (prozac and alcohol) are really hard on the liver... Especially in the quantities (alcohol) it's being consumed.

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