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mayan calendar 2012

Unread post by Robair » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:43 pm

Hello everyone
I don't think I have to ad anything to that except How come Ramtha did not know?
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Re: Mayan Calandar

Unread post by Lost in Space » Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:25 pm

Great article, Oldone. Very reassuring.
Just as with this article, dispelling fears of an imminent appocalypse, when as a child I first read the Book of Revelation, I expected to hear bells and trumpets, but I was reassured by a scholarly article which stated that all of the events outlined in that book were allegorical, and referred to events that had already occured, some two hundred years after the death of Jesus.
This is the sort of thing we all need to hear.

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Re: Mayan Calandar

Unread post by Robair » Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:37 pm

Hello Lost In Space
I did not ad anything to it,you guys can comment on it,for me it is always a Good day when things like that come up,it will be interesting how JZ will Spin that one.
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Re: Mayan Calendar End of the Earth Postponed

Unread post by David McCarthy » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:32 pm

Hi Oldone. Lost in Space, everyone..
This summer I met a women with three small children that moved to Yelm from South Africa.
She had abandoned her family and life in Africa in order to save the lives of her children by living in "a protected area”
Over a year later her life in Yelm from attending RSE was desperately unhappy, confused and she was penniless.
I did my utmost to dispel the RSE Mayan Calendar hoax but her eyes were completly glazed over with confusion and fear and nothing of what I shared
got through. She spoke about "wanting" to move back to Africa but....had been gifted her next RSE event and would stay just a little longer..!
In RSE reality...those “little longer’s” have a way of turning into into years and years and years....
meanwhile precious lives are systematically raped and looted by JZ Knight while they are pulled unmercifully into the black hole of RSE.
I welcomed her and her children to our home anytime but I haven’t seen her since... :sad:
She is waiting for 2012 and the end of the world as we know it.

Back to the topic at hand...
Online articles sometimes go astray so I thought it a good idea to post the full articles here.

David.
End of the Earth Postponed
News – The Kukulkan pyramid stands at the Mayan ruins of Chichen Itza in Mexico's Yucatan peninsula July 7, …
Stephanie Pappas
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It's a good news/bad news situation for believers in the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The good news is that the Mayan "Long Count" calendar may not end on Dec. 21, 2012 (and, by extension, the world may not end along with it). The bad news for prophecy believers? If the calendar doesn't end in December 2012, no one knows when it actually will - or if it has already.
A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World" (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events. (The doomsday worries are based on the fact that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, much as our year ends on Dec. 31.)
The Mayan calendar was converted to today's Gregorian calendar using a calculation called the GMT constant, named for the last initials of three early Mayanist researchers. Much of the work emphasized dates recovered from colonial documents that were written in the Mayan language in the Latin alphabet, according to the chapter's author, Gerardo Aldana, University of California, Santa Barbara professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies.
[Related: More details on the Mayan Calendar and 2012 prophecy]
Later, the GMT constant was bolstered by American linguist and anthropologist Floyd Lounsbury, who used data in the Dresden Codex Venus Table, a Mayan calendar and almanac that charts dates relative to the movements of Venus.
"He took the position that his work removed the last obstacle to fully accepting the GMT constant," Aldana said in a statement. "Others took his work even further, suggesting that he had proven the GMT constant to be correct."
But according to Aldana, Lounsbury's evidence is far from irrefutable.
"If the Venus Table cannot be used to prove the FMT as Lounsbury suggests, its acceptance depends on the reliability of the corroborating data," he said. That historical data, he said, is less reliable than the Table itself, causing the argument for the GMT constant to fall "like a stack of cards."
Aldana doesn't have any answers as to what the correct calendar conversion might be, preferring to focus on why the current interpretation may be wrong. Looks like end-of-the-world theorists may need to find another ancient calendar on which to pin their apocalyptic hopes.
End of the Earth Postponed - Yahoo! News
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The Truth About 2012 Doomsday Hype
By Benjamin Radford, LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist
posted: 05 November 2009 09:30 am ET

An ancient Mayan Pyramid at Chchen Itza. The Mayan calendar ends in 2012, but Mayans never predicted the world would end. Rather, the ending of their calendar is rather like how our Gregorian calendar ends each Dec. 31. Credit: Stockxpert

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2012 is coming very soon. The movie, that is — the disaster film directed by Roland Emmerich depicting global catastrophe of Biblical proportions. The year itself is of course a few dozen months away, and there is growing interest, excitement, and concern for both events.
The film "2012," which opens Nov. 13, takes place, rather obviously, in the year 2012, though it could have been set in 1995 or 2013. The movie's disasters have no particular link to that year, it's just when the Earth happens to start burping earthquakes and farting fire. 2012 made a perfect promotional hook for the film, because the ancient Mayans predicted that the world would end that year, if not specifically on December 21, 2012.
That's one story, anyway.
Whether or not 2012 will bring cataclysmic volcanism or a great flood, it has undeniably brought a flood of books. New Age and doomsday authors have been cranking out 2012-themed books at an amazing pace over the past few years; there are literally thousands of such titles in print, with more on the way.
7 Things You Should Know About What Is Going to Happen To You In 2010!
While many authors and 2012 "experts" are playing up the doomsday scenario, others believe that the year will bring not disaster but a new era of global harmony (as in what did not happen with the so-called Harmonic Convergence in 1987). It seems that anyone with access to a keyboard and an opinion on 2012 (or prophecy in general) is trying to cash in. (It will be interesting to see how many of those books will be for sale on Amazon.com for one cent on Jan. 1, 2013.)
Mayan myth
In fact, the link between global catastrophe and Mayan calendar-based prophecy is largely fiction. Ads for "2012" begin with the phrase, "The Mayans warned us," though of course the Mayans did not "warn" anyone — they simply had a calendar system that happens to "end" in 2012, much as the way the Gregorian calendar on my office wall "ends" on Dec. 31.
The Mayans never said the world would end that year, and modern Mayans have shown irritation with how their culture has been co-opted into pop culture notions and Hollywood blockbuster film promotions.
John Major Jenkins, a Maya scholar and author of "The 2012 Story," notes that "when the 2012 bug started to bite the mainstream press and many more books started to appear, authors and the media were pulling the 2012 topic in predictably weird directions."
The 2012 link to the Maya is not a hoax; their calendar does in fact conclude in that year. Just what that means — if anything — is the question.
Of course, the Mayans were only one of dozens of major civilizations, and there is no particular reason to assume that the Mayan calendar is any more cosmically significant or valid than any of hundreds of other calendar systems used throughout history.
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So why this focus on the Mayans?
Part of the reason the New Age crowd has embraced the Mayan calendar (instead of, say, the Hindu calendar) is that the Mayans fit perfectly into their ideas about the ancient wisdom of the "noble savage." Belief that ancient civilizations (such as the Mayans and Egyptians) were far more advanced than often claimed permeates New Age thought, and the idea that Mayan mystics somehow knew of the world's end millennia ago is very appealing.
There have also been several outright hoaxes connected to 2012, most notably the claim that Nibiru, a non-existent planet supposedly discovered by the ancient Sumerians, will encounter Earth in 2012 and cause havoc, including a reversal of the geomagnetic poles.
NASA has been accused of covering up the existence of Nibiru, presumably to prevent mass panic (a theme that also appears in the film). Doomsdays come and go, but conspiracy theories are forever.


The Truth About 2012 Doomsday Hype | LiveScience
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Re: mayan calendar 2012

Unread post by Lost in Space » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:56 am

Hi David
Very interesting, although, it is unfortunate that the two articles seem to contradict one another a bit - firstly, 2012, and particulary, December, may not be the date to worry about, according to Ms. Pappas, whereas, according to Mr. Radford, that is the date at issue, but it may not have meant to the Mayans what it means to "new agers" today - still, both are reassuring in their own way.
A third view is expressed by Modern Shamans, who hold that a World transformation is indeed in the offing, but it is more in the nature of a shift in Humanity's consciousness than any apocalyptic disaster.
Saddened to hear about that African woman you mention; preferring to think that she is happily busy making a life for herself in the U.S., and that the life she left was not so idylic or she would never have been open to joining the school. And at least she took her kids with her, so they are not bereft of a Mom.

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Unread post by Lost in Space » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:05 am

Further, about Nibiru - I have read for of Zacharia Sitchin's books based on theories of Nibiru. I think they are fascinating. True that there is no proof of most of what he says, it's still interesting.
Two articles on Sitchin and is confreres if anyone is interested:
http://halexandria.org/dward195.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ ... eory05.htm

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Unread post by ex » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:07 am

ramtha knows now when jz reads your post........the niburu [red planet] came already at the planetary alignment. jzr dident hook in too much but stated its real. so it will come again. again it probably comes slow and than accelerates immensely next year and fill up the sky during slingshot through our solar system. anyway that was the story about 8 ? years ago.

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Unread post by Lost in Space » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:19 am

Hi Ex

You mean, Nibiru has been and gone, and we missed it? Nothing much happened?
Are you saying that Ms. Knight reads this page? I would think she would have too much else to think about.
If Nibiru has already been, it will be centuries before it's return, according to Zecharia Sitchin, so we can all breath easy on that score. Or are there supposed to be different aliens coming to eat us, as I read on here? My friend in RSE has been quite silent on this point; perhaps finding it irrelevant or embarassing, or thinking that the timeline has changed and it's no longer a concern. Do you think more emphasis is being placed now on the Earth changes as a reason for the preparedness, and less on possible alien invasion or intervention from the 'Gods'?

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Re: mayan calendar 2012

Unread post by ex » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:42 am

at least her staff. yes end of the world scares came and left in rse. sometimes uncomented from jzr. the followers will excuse her. one of her tactics to escape hard questions is that she accuses you to rather accept a horrible realty with many death than nothing happens. ergo to her you r the perv. the survival is still a proof of loyalty for her followers. to keep people in check and busy. the ugs r big financial anchors to keep people in yelm. they prevent traveling and moving.

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Unread post by ex » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:49 am

being eaten by alliens is so embarrassing that it get denied ever been said. jzrs conflicting statement r maybe just made for the records to be digged out in case she might be right either way it goes.

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Unread post by WofthesunEofthemoon » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:49 am

There's a thought, ex, JZ hedging her bets!! LOL. Not at all funny, really.

Lost in Space, I can understand why should be interested in the theories of Zecharia Sitchin, but there are specialists in the field of the ancient languages of the middle east who deride him. I will give a couple of links, though the one that I thought to be the most scholarly and convincing, unfortunately I cannot, at present, find.

It seems that Sitchin often confused Aramaic and Hebrew, and equally confused Babylonian and Sumerian cuneiform script, thereby coming to meaningless conclusions.

In my youth I was beguiled by Eric von Daniken, who was later proven to be totally deluded. I see Sitchin in his image. Here is another lyric for you:

There was a young man called von Daniken
Whose writings provoked a shenanigen.
His Chariots of Gods
Bringing alien bods
Were a fraud that Z. Sitchinthen ran again.

Links;
www.sitchiniswrong.com
www.skepdic.com/sitchin.html.

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Unread post by Lost in Space » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:34 pm

Hi, EofthesunWofthemoon:

Yes, I have heard those criticisms too - can only briefly state that I am fascinated by ancient civilizations, archaeology, and the subject of evolution and how we got here, as well as religious studies, ancient and modern. I just said Sitchin's books were interesting, not saying I take them as absolute truth.
I have a cousin who is an achaeologist and he thinks that stuff is just bad science. (and I would agree that just about all science begins with unproven hypotheses and we must choose of what we are convinced. And I am not absolutely convinced of much.)
My sister was the one fascinated with Von Daneken - Chariots of the Gods - and I have seen a few documentaries on him on TV - quite a character.
I like your rhyme.
All the best,
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Unread post by Lost in Space » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:40 pm

I reversed E and W in your name, WofthesunEofthemoon. I'm sorry. Can I just call you W.E.?

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Unread post by WofthesunEofthemoon » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:48 pm

Be my guest, Lost in Space. :-)

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Unread post by Sad Grandfather » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:32 pm

Oldone wrote:Hello Lost In Space
I did not ad anything to it,you guys can comment on it,for me it is always a Good day when things like that come up, it will be interesting how JZ will Spin that one. Oldone.
Well, didn't I read recently, that she was telling her followers to turn their powers toward changing the timeline, so that the world would NOT end?

Now all she needs to say is - - - - - - IT WORKED!
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Re: mayan calendar 2012

Unread post by appealing » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:11 am

Hi all,
David I think I met the South African woman of whom you speak. She had just arrived in Yelm when I met her and it was a really tough time for her, not to mention the family she had abandoned. She was relying on the assistance of the locals even then to see her through. If it is the same woman, I really hope she is able to get back to South Africa and realign her life with what is really true and important to her.

That was a great article that started this thread btw - I would love to post it for those I care about who are still in RSE, but alas I am certain at this stage it would be passed off as a 'cover up' for what is really going on (that only Ram knows about!) Sigh. :-?

Thanks for the awesome thread everyone :D

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Re: mayan calendar 2012

Unread post by WofthesunEofthemoon » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:42 pm

Yes, a great thread, everyone. And, Sad Grandfather, can I say, I just luurve your smileys!! (The barfing one is especially funny!) Down with Judith Hampton, indeed!! :evil: (Oops, how naughty of me. :lol: )

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