NVN what the heck this crazy woman (JZK) was talking about?
NVN what the heck this crazy woman (JZK) was talking about?
Has anybody read the Nisqually News, JZ has a little autobiography, and will be continued next week. Also a full page ad on a back page, of the casino winnings during the primary retreat total of 102,000, let's see divided by approx 1000 student, $102.00, really, this is called manifesting progressive wealth, right!!! Sounds like they spend the week out at the casino, oh my. That sounds like a complete nightmare to me. Let's see I pretty much have nothing since I started the school, I have to go to the foodbank, because I can't feed myself or I need the money for a event, and then you want me to produce funds to go to the casino for the week!!! What a crook!!! I remember someone telling me when I started school how happy and thankful they were for what Jz was doing giving up her whole life, and how she was helping humanity. I thought, wow that is amazing. And to me helping humanity means something very different than JZ, to me that means, lets build schools, lets feed the poor, lets put shoes on the many kids who have none. Nope that is not what it means to JZ.
NVN what the heck this crazy woman (JZK) was talking about?
Yes, I read the NVN and I was confused as hell as to what the heck this crazy woman (JZK) was talking about. Really? She loves Jesus? Oh my goodness, she is delusional. Does she think she's going to win over the towns people with this column? Honestly I was confused as to why she would be writing like this, unless she really believes this is going to clean up her public image. Seriously?
What I really enjoyed reading was Pastor Jeff's column that followed hers. I think, he's by far got to be the coolest Pastor ever.
Then I was reading a post somewhere here and clicked on a link that showed the "new seating arrangements" (not sure how new they are now) in the arena, you know, the expensive seats up close and getting cheaper as they go farther from the oh so sacred stage (puking here). Anyways, I've seen this link before but as I'm checking it out this huge window pops up! LOTTERY WINNERS- with pictures of the big winners of the last year or so, CLICK ON A PICTURE TO HEAR THEIR BLAH BLAH BLAH STORY.... I felt almost violated! Just kidding, I'm being dramatic. But it startled me right at first, felt like I was being sold a used car or something shady like that.
What I really enjoyed reading was Pastor Jeff's column that followed hers. I think, he's by far got to be the coolest Pastor ever.
Then I was reading a post somewhere here and clicked on a link that showed the "new seating arrangements" (not sure how new they are now) in the arena, you know, the expensive seats up close and getting cheaper as they go farther from the oh so sacred stage (puking here). Anyways, I've seen this link before but as I'm checking it out this huge window pops up! LOTTERY WINNERS- with pictures of the big winners of the last year or so, CLICK ON A PICTURE TO HEAR THEIR BLAH BLAH BLAH STORY.... I felt almost violated! Just kidding, I'm being dramatic. But it startled me right at first, felt like I was being sold a used car or something shady like that.
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Sunshine did you see the full page ad on the next page of the newspaper, looks like a big lottery ticket with the final winnings of 102,000 during the primary retreat? really? yes the article from the pastor was very good. Yep Jz writing her biography so the town folk maybe start thinking differently of her. Her lawyers must be telling her this, so she can somehow convince the public that she is a genuine person, or something!!!! Shit when I first moved here you wouldn't dare say you were involved in the school is was all a big secret!!! I wish I would of listened to what everybody outside of the school was saying...its a cult....sure is, they were right, I should of listened!!!
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just read this self-serving blurb by jz on yelmonline. (my response below):
"Published: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:20 PM PDT
I was born March 16, 1946, in Roswell, N.M. My parents, Charles and Helen Hampton, were migrant field-workers — cotton production, irrigation, hoeing, and cotton-picking for local farmers.
My mother’s father, my grandfather, Pastor Prentiss Hart, was a hellfire-and-brimstone Baptist preacher. He did not spare the rod and spoil the child, no sir. He took his children out of school and put them to work in the fields.
My mother’s education ended after the third grade. Her life was spent in the fields and in the church. Later in her life, my mother Helen shared a very painful memory with me, that she had not wanted her kids to go to church! But I went anyway with the owners of the hamburger stand where my mother worked at night.
Tommy, the wife of my older brother Marion, also attended and was a baptized member of the Assembly of God Church in Artesia, N.M.
I loved God and Jesus as only children can. But that love was tested when Tommy agreed to wear a teeny-tiny bit of pale lipstick in an effort to get my brother Marion to attend church.
I was in the front pews when the preacher stopped the sermon. He called Tommy up before the congregation and announced she was deceived “by the devil.” Everyone came running up to lay hands on her, screaming, reaching up, and denouncing her and the devil in the name of God.
During the frightening commotion, my brother left and I ran out after him. Could this really be the God I loved and his son, the Good Shepherd? I was 13 years old. I wrestled with this pain of God being, well, God-awful!
Not long after that incident, at this young age of 13, I came to understand that the God I loved was not the God of the Assembly of God church!
I left the church carrying with me the sweet memories of the little congregation I had come to love. But if you listened to Elvis, danced, wore anything other than a dress, wore makeup, listened to the radio, saw a movie, or read a science book, you were going to hell...forever! My brother Marion bought a ski boat for the family to enjoy at the local lake. My sister-in-law Tommy and two nieces had to wear dresses to go skiing because women were not allowed to wear swimsuits.
Years later at my mother’s funeral, I wandered over to the graves of those sweet people of my church long ago. I pondered how they fought life, joy, Elvis, lipstick, the Beach Boys, waterskiing in a real swimming suit, Saturday afternoon movies, or reading F. Scott Fitzgerald.
I was sad. They gave up so much life, missed so many moments just to please their religion. In my mind I knew that there was a large difference between religion and God. I left the religion but kept my personal relationship with God and my love of Jesus.
I admire President Jimmy Carter not only for his difficult presidency — he kept the country out of war — but his immense humanitarian acts from Habitat for Humanity, housing for poor folks, to his efforts at brokering peace between Israel and Palestine, and his exhaustive medical and agricultural work in Africa. Because of his tireless work, hundreds of thousands of people worldwide have been affected in his efforts to tender the needs of the poor and forgotten.
Like I did so long ago, Carter has questioned his Christian faith but not his abiding faith in God. He recently separated from the Southern Baptist Convention because of its stance on women’s issues. He titled his statement, “Losing My Religion for Equality.”
“Women and girls have been discriminated against for too long in a twisted interpretation of the word of God,” Carter said.
I encourage you to read his full statement.
Carter and many others have challenged organized religion and the various interpretations of these male-dominated institutions, and in doing so he is coming as close to living a “God-inspired life” as you can get.
Next week: To be continued.
JZ Knight established the Ramtha School of Enlightenment in Yelm in 1988 and has been the Channeler of Ramtha since 1978. Email her at info@ramtha.com."
ahem: I was born to Hungarian refugees, Joe and Helen, in a Displaced Persons Camp in Germany in 1947. My mother's family feld mostly on foot from the incoming Communist regime that had both arrested my grandfather, Bela, and taken away his home and all his assets. My father who worked as a mechanic for the Hungarian air force was a prisoner of war at war's end but chose to stay with Allies upon release. We arived in the US at Ellis Island in 1951 after years of living in barracks in DP camps, sponsored by a US Catholic charity for boat fair [it was on a crowded WW2 merchant ship tha made many refugee runs to US and Australia--my mother's family went to Australia]. We had $9 when we boarded a train for PA where my great aunt took us in.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, poor miss cotton picker...
JZ's letter is extremely manipulative.
1. gain the sympathy of your audience with a "poor me story". I've heard any number of cult leaders use this tactic over the years.
2. After baiting the reader with how much abuse one suffers under a horrible family or an eccentric fundamentalist type church, then use this as an excuse for why you hate authority figures and "churches" as if one's PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is the truth for everyone else's personal experience
3. switch quickly to how 'righteous' you are with comparisons to well-known altruists like Jimmy Carter [btw, Jimmy Carter's adminsitration endorsed Jim Jones when Jones was on the San Francisco Housing Commission---Rosalyn Carter sat right next to Jones during the conference in CA.)
4.intimate that this gives you the right and privelege to rectify the global situation with an anti-church god that sets up its own church or cult---How grandiose of you
can't wait to read your next poor me nice me big me letter, jz...forgive me, I know you cannot help it...it's just the way you are...
"Published: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:20 PM PDT
I was born March 16, 1946, in Roswell, N.M. My parents, Charles and Helen Hampton, were migrant field-workers — cotton production, irrigation, hoeing, and cotton-picking for local farmers.
My mother’s father, my grandfather, Pastor Prentiss Hart, was a hellfire-and-brimstone Baptist preacher. He did not spare the rod and spoil the child, no sir. He took his children out of school and put them to work in the fields.
My mother’s education ended after the third grade. Her life was spent in the fields and in the church. Later in her life, my mother Helen shared a very painful memory with me, that she had not wanted her kids to go to church! But I went anyway with the owners of the hamburger stand where my mother worked at night.
Tommy, the wife of my older brother Marion, also attended and was a baptized member of the Assembly of God Church in Artesia, N.M.
I loved God and Jesus as only children can. But that love was tested when Tommy agreed to wear a teeny-tiny bit of pale lipstick in an effort to get my brother Marion to attend church.
I was in the front pews when the preacher stopped the sermon. He called Tommy up before the congregation and announced she was deceived “by the devil.” Everyone came running up to lay hands on her, screaming, reaching up, and denouncing her and the devil in the name of God.
During the frightening commotion, my brother left and I ran out after him. Could this really be the God I loved and his son, the Good Shepherd? I was 13 years old. I wrestled with this pain of God being, well, God-awful!
Not long after that incident, at this young age of 13, I came to understand that the God I loved was not the God of the Assembly of God church!
I left the church carrying with me the sweet memories of the little congregation I had come to love. But if you listened to Elvis, danced, wore anything other than a dress, wore makeup, listened to the radio, saw a movie, or read a science book, you were going to hell...forever! My brother Marion bought a ski boat for the family to enjoy at the local lake. My sister-in-law Tommy and two nieces had to wear dresses to go skiing because women were not allowed to wear swimsuits.
Years later at my mother’s funeral, I wandered over to the graves of those sweet people of my church long ago. I pondered how they fought life, joy, Elvis, lipstick, the Beach Boys, waterskiing in a real swimming suit, Saturday afternoon movies, or reading F. Scott Fitzgerald.
I was sad. They gave up so much life, missed so many moments just to please their religion. In my mind I knew that there was a large difference between religion and God. I left the religion but kept my personal relationship with God and my love of Jesus.
I admire President Jimmy Carter not only for his difficult presidency — he kept the country out of war — but his immense humanitarian acts from Habitat for Humanity, housing for poor folks, to his efforts at brokering peace between Israel and Palestine, and his exhaustive medical and agricultural work in Africa. Because of his tireless work, hundreds of thousands of people worldwide have been affected in his efforts to tender the needs of the poor and forgotten.
Like I did so long ago, Carter has questioned his Christian faith but not his abiding faith in God. He recently separated from the Southern Baptist Convention because of its stance on women’s issues. He titled his statement, “Losing My Religion for Equality.”
“Women and girls have been discriminated against for too long in a twisted interpretation of the word of God,” Carter said.
I encourage you to read his full statement.
Carter and many others have challenged organized religion and the various interpretations of these male-dominated institutions, and in doing so he is coming as close to living a “God-inspired life” as you can get.
Next week: To be continued.
JZ Knight established the Ramtha School of Enlightenment in Yelm in 1988 and has been the Channeler of Ramtha since 1978. Email her at info@ramtha.com."
ahem: I was born to Hungarian refugees, Joe and Helen, in a Displaced Persons Camp in Germany in 1947. My mother's family feld mostly on foot from the incoming Communist regime that had both arrested my grandfather, Bela, and taken away his home and all his assets. My father who worked as a mechanic for the Hungarian air force was a prisoner of war at war's end but chose to stay with Allies upon release. We arived in the US at Ellis Island in 1951 after years of living in barracks in DP camps, sponsored by a US Catholic charity for boat fair [it was on a crowded WW2 merchant ship tha made many refugee runs to US and Australia--my mother's family went to Australia]. We had $9 when we boarded a train for PA where my great aunt took us in.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, poor miss cotton picker...
JZ's letter is extremely manipulative.
1. gain the sympathy of your audience with a "poor me story". I've heard any number of cult leaders use this tactic over the years.
2. After baiting the reader with how much abuse one suffers under a horrible family or an eccentric fundamentalist type church, then use this as an excuse for why you hate authority figures and "churches" as if one's PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is the truth for everyone else's personal experience
3. switch quickly to how 'righteous' you are with comparisons to well-known altruists like Jimmy Carter [btw, Jimmy Carter's adminsitration endorsed Jim Jones when Jones was on the San Francisco Housing Commission---Rosalyn Carter sat right next to Jones during the conference in CA.)
4.intimate that this gives you the right and privelege to rectify the global situation with an anti-church god that sets up its own church or cult---How grandiose of you
can't wait to read your next poor me nice me big me letter, jz...forgive me, I know you cannot help it...it's just the way you are...
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Ms. knight's church remarks don't make a lot of sense to me; rambling not sure were she's going and then she shifts gears. It sounds like a made up story.
Knight's remarks about Jimmy Carter are laughable.
I wonder how much of Knight's missive from is her own words and how much of it is ghost written by her publicist?
Over all, NVN publishing Knight's putative autobiography is probably a good thing. It paints her as a megalomaniac in ostensibly her own words. I would like to think most readers have the intellect to see it for what it is.
Knight's remarks about Jimmy Carter are laughable.
I wonder how much of Knight's missive from is her own words and how much of it is ghost written by her publicist?
Over all, NVN publishing Knight's putative autobiography is probably a good thing. It paints her as a megalomaniac in ostensibly her own words. I would like to think most readers have the intellect to see it for what it is.
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shocked
I think this is a desperate pr campaign. no one with a sane mind outside her cult believes her anymore.
I doubt she will ever be invited to appear on the likes of even hyper-liberal shows like Larry King Live again.
In the past Judith could rely on the fact that few people out there give a sh*t what ex-members of cults say unless it feeds the ephemeral media needs for ratings du jour, but this last Youtube disaster is different because people today are fascinated by social media and think things are more important if there is a good visual to back it up. Well, JZ cursing like a drunken sailor is a good visual and says it all, so to speak. I find it fascinating that she would "lower" herself at this stage of her game to write an op-ed in a comparatively insignificant news outlet.
I think it may be finally sinking in, into her non-god-mind, that she is a has-been, going the route of so many now forgotten cult leaders.
but this also makes her desperate and more dangerous. the question is: will she take it out on just herself or try to drag others into her sinkhole?
I think this is a desperate pr campaign. no one with a sane mind outside her cult believes her anymore.
I doubt she will ever be invited to appear on the likes of even hyper-liberal shows like Larry King Live again.
In the past Judith could rely on the fact that few people out there give a sh*t what ex-members of cults say unless it feeds the ephemeral media needs for ratings du jour, but this last Youtube disaster is different because people today are fascinated by social media and think things are more important if there is a good visual to back it up. Well, JZ cursing like a drunken sailor is a good visual and says it all, so to speak. I find it fascinating that she would "lower" herself at this stage of her game to write an op-ed in a comparatively insignificant news outlet.
I think it may be finally sinking in, into her non-god-mind, that she is a has-been, going the route of so many now forgotten cult leaders.
but this also makes her desperate and more dangerous. the question is: will she take it out on just herself or try to drag others into her sinkhole?
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I have been thinking alot about this, and all the possible outcomes, will this be a safe community? Sorry I have no intention to put fear into the mix as we all no we don't need that!!! Disgruntle students that are not ready to admit she is a fraud!!!
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No reason to speculate what might happen with RSE. Every concerned person/parent of a cult member wonders if that cult will go the way of Manson, Jonestown or Heaven's Gate. Group generated homicide and suicide are the rare exceptions among the thousands of similar cults on the map. Suicides of a leader may be more common. Geraldine Innocente committed suicide in 1961 although the cult smooths it over by calling it "her transition." Mark Prophet was with this cult but took over some of the members to start his first cult "Lighthouse of Freedom" after 1961 that later became "Summit Lighthouse" and then CUT under Elizabeth after Mark died in 1973.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_to_Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_to_Freedom
The members of The Bridge to Freedom believe that Ascended Master El Morya contacted Geraldine Innocente in 1944 and asked her to make a certain application on a daily basis. The story is told that Morya returned one year later asking if she would consent to receive a series of Discourses from the Maha Chohan. Geraldine is said to have agreed, and she then underwent years of training in preparation for her role in the 1950s as a Messenger for the Ascended Masters, the Archangels, Cosmic Beings, the Elohim, and Others of the Spiritual Hierarchy. She served officially in the capacity of Messenger beginning with the inaugural Vesta Dictation on July 17, 1951 until her transition on June 21, 1961
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for a synopsis of ascended master groups see: http://www.theosophiaistheway.com/Being ... d_org.html . (DEAD LINK)
[Ramtha not mentioned] but the suicide of Innocente is
1958 - Mark Prophet splits off from Bridge to Freedom and founds the Summit Lighthouse, sponsored by El Morya.
1961:
Geraldine Innocente takes an overdose of medications, making her transition.
The Master El Morya contacts Elizabeth Clare Wulf and sends her to meet Mark Prophet in Washington D.C.
http://www.theosophiaistheway.com/Being ... d_org.html . (DEAD LINK)
[Ramtha not mentioned] but the suicide of Innocente is
1958 - Mark Prophet splits off from Bridge to Freedom and founds the Summit Lighthouse, sponsored by El Morya.
1961:
Geraldine Innocente takes an overdose of medications, making her transition.
The Master El Morya contacts Elizabeth Clare Wulf and sends her to meet Mark Prophet in Washington D.C.
http://www.theosophiaistheway.com/Being ... d_org.html . (DEAD LINK)
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"No reason to speculate what might happen with RSE. Every concerned person/parent of a cult member wonders if that cult will go the way of Manson, Jonestown or Heaven's Gate. Group generated homicide and suicide are the rare exceptions among the thousands of similar cults on the map. Suicides of a leader may be more common."
Thank you for that Joe. I carry these concerns with me constantly, I have my son who is still in r$e today. He was born into it. This is a constant source of pain, frustration, regret, remorse, fear, sadness and the like for me. Your points here are comforting.
Thank you for that Joe. I carry these concerns with me constantly, I have my son who is still in r$e today. He was born into it. This is a constant source of pain, frustration, regret, remorse, fear, sadness and the like for me. Your points here are comforting.
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The latest entry may possibly indicate it has been ghost-written by Steve Klein. It appears to be an attack on the mayor of Yelm, whom Klein lost handily to in 2005. Since that time Klein has had people giggling at how he can't seem to get over the loss he manifested for himself way back then. He's constantly ripping on the mayor and the town council, acting like he would have been handling things better if he were mayor. Anyway, if Judith's most recent entry isn't ghost-written by Klein, why would she use her column (which was obviously obtained and intended to improve the bad public image she has earned by her drunken, bigoted hate-speech against Jews, Catholics, Gays, etc., that went viral on YouTube) to insult the mayor of the town where the paper is published?
Also, there seems to be an ongoing effort to have R$E people like, share, email, post, vote on, etc., the columns in the NVN to push off the "Most Popular" section stories which may not be flattering to R$E. At one point I noticed over 2000 on a number that represents activity with a column written or ghost-written by the guru. In my years of experience with the NVN I've never known any story to get anywhere near 2000. Most never get more than a handful of hits. Now, well, we see several over 100, regularly.
Below is the link to the latest entry. Read it soon. It won't stay up on the NVN for free long. Simply copy and paste it into the URL at the top of your screen.
http://yelmonline.com/articles/2013/05/ ... 365646.txt
Also, there seems to be an ongoing effort to have R$E people like, share, email, post, vote on, etc., the columns in the NVN to push off the "Most Popular" section stories which may not be flattering to R$E. At one point I noticed over 2000 on a number that represents activity with a column written or ghost-written by the guru. In my years of experience with the NVN I've never known any story to get anywhere near 2000. Most never get more than a handful of hits. Now, well, we see several over 100, regularly.
Below is the link to the latest entry. Read it soon. It won't stay up on the NVN for free long. Simply copy and paste it into the URL at the top of your screen.
http://yelmonline.com/articles/2013/05/ ... 365646.txt
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I still have to wonder why now??? Is the school being opened up, never was before, makes me believe there is a hidden agenda..and by the way, the article stated, (not quoted exactly) students were not asked to move here, they just started to move to the community...well I moved here because fear was placed in me, and told to let go of my past, and this is the place I needed to be!!!
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The latest editorial missive, theoretically from Judy Knight, in the Nisqually Valley News does not stike me as reading like something Judy Knight wrote. I think Pastor Jeff is right on the mark that Steve Klein is who wote the latest letter. The grammar and sentence structure seem to me like what one would read in Kleiners Korner. ( http://www.kleinerskorner.com ) . (SITE NO LONGER ACTIVE)
Why the heck would anybody care if the mayor did or did not visit JZ Rose? What would be the reason to visit? It sounds to me like the like the letter was written by somebody with a sophomoric axe to grind rather than pearls of wisdom to share.
I'm glad NVN published the letter; it makes Judy Knight & Co. look more petty and goofy.
Why the heck would anybody care if the mayor did or did not visit JZ Rose? What would be the reason to visit? It sounds to me like the like the letter was written by somebody with a sophomoric axe to grind rather than pearls of wisdom to share.
I'm glad NVN published the letter; it makes Judy Knight & Co. look more petty and goofy.
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I agree w above also. Steve Klein may be in cahoots with JZ to save his own ass after investing so heavily in Ramthaism. He has everything to lose as JZ dwindles in scope and effect, as she fades into the obscurity of failure. Oh, sure there will be a core of ungruntled believers here and there but the dynamic blond bitty that drove this machine is running out of gas from both ends: the source of inspiration that is merely an imaginary being limited by her brain [damaged by greed, booze and nicotine] and the rupture in the tank caused by her own caustic behavior that all this silly posting in a little news source is trying plug.
Blog on, bitty one. The hole is getting deeper and it looks more and more like a grave.
Blog on, bitty one. The hole is getting deeper and it looks more and more like a grave.
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It seems like Judy Knight really is running out of gas with the Ramtha gig. The ads in the local papers touting the lottery winners are a case in point. The ads suggest you'll learn how to psych out the winning lotto numbers. There isn't anything there about becoming a being of higher spirituality thanks to the channelled big guy. It seems like RSE is on a path to becoming something like a crappy version of Werner Erhard EST seminars.
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I have noticed, the information coming out of the school is really, really dull. There is nothing new to spark interest. Rse has become the cheap, crappy advertisement you in the back of comic books. The gambeling thing is a joke. They have taught nothing different from what a serious gambler already knows. The serious gambler is already very focused. It is all just a scam. J.Z. is desperate for buisness. Her desperate attempt to wipe her scum under the rug, could not be more obvious.