Yes, I also regret to seeing forever go. I was happy to see that a mutually acceptable framework was being hashed out and forevers willingness to participate in that. Forever, you have my contacts in the event you would like to continue our dialogue.
One thing Forever, I would not have been able to abide by your request below.
Please don't make assumptions. it's my greatest frustration.
I say that because it would be impossible. All humanity operates on using assumptions. Obviously, (just look at the state of the world) many times one is mistaken myself included. Just a few everyday mistaken assumptions; Going to the car and assuming that you have the keys with you. Assuming the person you are meeting is going to be on time. Assuming that the person you are going to meet is going to be 15 min late because they are always late and when you arrive late you find out they were on time. Assuming that I am going to go on indefinitely with examples……
Fortunately,(and sometimes unfortunately) we do not have to consciously make assumptions. every micro second our minds are doing this for us. We make assumptions in a spatial sense about the distance between ourselves and objects. Have a look at the Brain games show on you tube, it discusses many of these assumptions the brain makes and why and how it is possible to be deceived because of this.
To bring this closer to home for you and hopefully to give you a better understanding of what might have taken place here on this thread IMHO.
Have a look at the following;
Again, I am not saying you are doing this in a deliberate or nefarious manner, only pointing out that it is occurring and perhaps a learned behavior from RSE or somewhere else.
P.S. I read the word nefarious some place. You are saying i am wicked?
You are making the assumption that I might have called you wicked or evil, even though my statement was the opposite. I said I was not
"surely you jest".
Meaning You have to be kidding me, or are you serious.
You say; and it implies you assume
David is saying you are stupid.
In other words i am stupid?
You appear to have missed the word not, no offense intended. hence not an attack.
I make the assumption you simply made a mistake in reading. No problem, it happens to everyone at times, myself included. In fact, David did it also.
Nor was the word "ultimately" used by journeythroughramthaland.
Look again. Yes it is said.
By the way, had you simply put my quote here, it would have been clear that you did not intend to be talking down to David.
I stand corrected....
Thank you forever.
Note ,David quickly sees he has misread, thanks you for your correction and assumes your good will, not that you have called him stupid as he might have assumed.
I say all this to point out how often we all assume things and it is not the assumptions themselves, but our ability to know they can be flawed which allows us to proceed and expand our knowledge. when one does not, they trap themselves in misleading perceptions which then cause sometimes unwanted behaviors.
This brings me back to the self-betray definition issue. I think what happened is you took the 2 words and put them together and came up with a meaning that was familiar to you. I look at the word and recognize it from behavioral psychology which does not have the same meaning. In fact, I looked at my older dictionaries and the word self-betrayal is not in them. Possibly, it became part of the lexicon through the psychological theory. In any event, it would have probably been better to chose another word for our dialogue that we could both agree met the definition of what you were describing. Perhaps Self deception would work better given how we all are self deceived constantly and it doesn't have the same negative connotation as self betrayal does.
the teachings were not abusive.
I know in the context you said this you were referring to the "teachings" you felt you received.
Overwhelmed. It was painful. Emotionally. Because i was hearing things that i was not mentally or emotionally prepared to handle in addition to all else. Like Trance Formation...Mark Phillips..devastating emotionally and mentally to anyone with a heart. I didn't want to know the world is as wicked as it is.
This sounds to me to define abuse. I read the book Transformation and have heard them speak. this was through my researching of the RSE phenomena. if I remember right there were descriptions of the late senator Byrd carving witches faces in vaginas for controlled presidential sex slaves.
It was stomach churning reading which of course would be more stomach churning if true (which it is not)
but like I said before, when you are given this drivel through your direct relationship to a God,in person and being a student in His school it takes on a new importance. The fact that you didn't want it
is what makes it abusive.
It sounds like in your below statement you fail to include you also got some food poisoning in your to go bag.
I didn't learn the "teachings" at RSE-other than basics. I got it to go.
Much like your denial of possibly feeling threatened when you are feeling attacked there are vey few explanations for holding that type of viewpoint. It appears that you may be experiencing some cognitive dissonance with regard to both the "teachings" and feeling threatened.
I asked 8 of my friends if they had felt as you said,
….insulted, undermined, ridiculed, belittled, talked down to rather than respected.
if they would feel threatened. All eight said they would (that doesn't mean life threatening) only one said there would be a situation where she would not be. when I asks what that was she said " If I knew I was not vulnerable to the attack, lets say I was protected by a force field or had super powers".
In Ramthaland, it is not allowable to feel threatened. That would mean you are not a God, have no superpowers, are not in control of everything. Only the fears instilled by Ramtha are the ones to be concerned with, i.e. Presidential sex slave,earth changes, tital waves hundreds of feet high, food shortages, economic collapse, mind eating aliens, and on and on.
If EMF were a cult or ever to become one (anything is possible) at this time I might be considered one of the inner circle. I do not always agree with David. In fact we have had our disagreements. He is as imperfect as all the rest of us. In a cult, I would not feel comfortable saying this no less printing it in the cult record. I can say this, his passion in protecting those who have gone through the RSE experience is well documented and without having walked the thousand miles in his shoes over these last many years, both pre- and post RSE I would be hesitant to come to the same assumptions you did, both about him and EMF. Again, neither are perfect.
Forever, I felt the need to address the things in your posts and the questions you have posed. You deserve that. I would also note that I have taken your quotes as well as mine out of context though I have thought to show them accurately to reflect their context, I would suggest a full reading of the thread to anyone who reads this.
As to your questions about my personal experiences I would be more then happy to elaborate privately and you have my contacts.
With regard to what happened to Bodhananda. He died in I believe it was 2002. He died virtually alone from pancreatic cancer, suffered much pain prior to and after diagnosis, felt he should have been able to cure himself to the end. I know this because my daughter was one of the few persons who had contact with him during his last days (this was after she left RSE). He was touted as an example of exemplifying an RSE student during his stay in RSE, (I would prefer to use the term used, that would describe it more accurately). He was one of the students chosen to participate in Kripners study. He was abandoned by the school and JZ in his final days, only to be brought to life in death with Ramtha claiming he was "dancing with him in the 32nd universe" I need a big barf bag!
In any case, I would like you to know that I have enjoyed our conversations and want to thank you for your participation in them.