THE LAST STREAM yes I watched Dr. Greene

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whatatrip
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THE LAST STREAM yes I watched Dr. Greene

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Hi guys, yes I watched Dr. Greene,

it was great!! Particularly great to hear from an actual scientist who is working actual scientific method.

Dr. Greene is committed to actually proving his theories with mathematics and seems to be interested in proving the kind of truth that is true irregardless of personal sentiment, feeling, whim, wishful thinking,what day it is, what era it is ...etc... the kind that can hold up to scientific rigor.

He does not hold the concept of the observer in the same light as the RSE teachings..

He does not bring the concept of "consciousness" into the equation.

He is however engaging very bold ideas and is on the edge of his own community, but he is committed to still working within the scientific protocol of actually proving his ideas, which I really respect.

It was quite something to see him go back and forth with the students, and he was very respectful, though at times my impression was that he was trying to say in the most respectful way he could...

"guys,.... there is no Santa Claus...your parents put out those presents Christmas eve while you are asleep...and it's same thing with the tooth fairy....your parents sneek in and put money under your pillow while you are asleep..I am sorry to break the news to you, but it's what actually happens..."

It was my impression that he could clearly see he was speaking to an audience who thought they were scientifically erudite, but in fact were mostly neophytes, but again he responded respectfully without talking down to the audience.

It was one of the best things to happen at RSE, it's really quite something to see what the scientists are ACTUALLY up to versus a emotionally slanted interpretation of it...

And, the students held their ground as well, speaking from their own experience which is king at RSE. According what Ramtha always said....

none of this is the truth, it's only philosophy until you have your own experience of it. And that is what we were always working for with the disciplines...to apply a philosophy in a discipline and check our results... many students, the ones who are still there after all these years, are obviously getting the results they are after, which is why they continue. As many disheartened people there are, there are several student there who are die hard, they are having their experience and loving it. I wish I could say more, it really was quite something, many moments, things said that were eye opening. It was a 'you had to be there' kind of thing.....


I will say more after I have had a chance to read through my notes on it.....thanks, -whatatrip
Vanilla
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Thanks so much guys. Like I said, when I asked a student, "Oh you will hear about it I am sure..you always find out anyways."

Yes I did. That is nice. From you guys. I am glad. I am not in the dark anymore in my circles.

You know I never blame the students, I think the students are looking for something deep and profound --and putting alot of trust in humanity and in each other, that we all tell the truth to one another.. Alot of blind faith. Its sad someone would take advantage. Its a shame they are all being scammed for their money.

I am glad this guy came and said that.
He was a good man for doing that.
So he said Ramtha was like the tooth fairy...AHAH

Alot of the students I hear have mixed reviews of that guy. Some didnt take it so well, but noone will talk about it. I asked a few times.
You are right when you say, they filter out anything bad and focus, almost willing the good that was said only. I used to do that. I did that to myself. That is not scientific. That is brainwashed.
Doubt was the killer we were taught, to emlightnement, which to me meant we can win the lottery or jackpot. Thats what the school was about.
whatatrip
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Re: THE LAST STREAM yes I watched Dr. Greene

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Oops I posted this under the last thread of this, looks like we are making a new one, and this is important to plug in...soooo

I REALIZE I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING IMPORTANT

my analogy of the "tooth fairy--santa claus" quote is MY metaphor for trying to paraphrase the over all sentiment that I heard Dr. Greene express in regards to the way quantum physics has been used to support some of the claims in the new age/spirituality world...

he never actually said anything about a tooth fairy, santa claus...etc.... he seemed to be trying to set the record straight about what he as a scientist was up to, and that there has been some gross misinterpretations of his and other scientists' work. He did not want his ideas to be construed to support ungrounded "flights of fancy", a quote which he did say a couple of times. He wanted to be clear the difference between a theory that has at least some degree of scientific proof behind it, and a "flight of fancy".

In my impression, he did not appear to believe the Ramtha entity was a real thing, he never directly explicitly said that, but he sure seemed to intone it. He did not appear to be behind a whole lot of things that RSE was claiming about the role of quantum physics and creating one's reality. Like I said, he does not take into account the concept of consciousness in his work, it is outside of what he in his experience has any basis in something he can track, measure, or prove in any way. I hope this helps to clarify.....thanks.
Vanilla
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I just met with some students in the park.

He said alot more than that they said.

Someone named Louis gave him attitude during questions, so he said, well, now I will tell you how I feel, then he told the students that he seen their card demo and its 1 in 4 chance, and he has seen better odds in a casino. He said if there is 85% then he will say there is something in the cards.

The students say that this is a huge thing, because they dont see the school lasting long. Not after this. That is how powerful this guys argument was. I doubt it though.

Something else the students said happened at the assay..Ramtha is not allowed to smoke..he has to take smoke breaks. That there is no more smoking or drinking allowed in the school. Because of the people who are in charge financially over the school, its their rules.

That is what they students said is the future of the school. I think its funny.

So JZ sold the company? I asked and they said, yes because her son doesnt want it.
whatatrip
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Well......hurrah!!! for the no smoking and drinking.....

that is a big PLUS for the school.

I saw such unbelievable self destruction and nastiness come from the drinking, from every corner.....

and yes, it will be interesting to see what happens with the students with what Dr. Greene said about the odds....

But at least no more negativity from the wine binges...what a relief!!!!
ex
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jzs property and the hall are uninsurable if there is smoking allowed. also its statelaw no smoking in public buildings min of 20 feet of building openings. there r successfull lawsuits from nonsmokers against smokers and probably the institution who forced them being in the same room. the grey-man try to destroy rse or did emf some edujucation to steer ramtha in the right direction?
the science always baffled me: in one way jzr tries to use it. but she is very quiet about the cutting edge stuff or lets say she uses it very vague. it probably is that if a theorie which get pushed by her might be disaproofed as wrong in a few years its a setback. good that someone leveled this science babel out.
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First, let me say that it is wonderful to see the alcohol abuse may finally be on its way out of RSE. Even as a non RSE student I have found it painful to see the results of alcohol abuse on JZ Knight, such as the deplorable drunken Arab Spring solidarity video the RSE staff posted on Youtube. It has been even more painful to read here on EMF what the RSE induced alcoholism has done to hurt the students.

It is interesting to see that, “Ramtha‘s,” behavior now has to take a back seat to the business needs of the school. I feel that Steve Klein, Greg Simmons and other investors finally insisted on putting a lid on, “Ramtha’s,” behavior because they see it as a problem for developing RSE’s business. Of course getting rid of the drinking is just a good thing to do, never mind the liability issues if a student were to leave RSE drunk and be involved in an accident. The drunkenness may also not play well in quarters where RSE would like to develop its business.

I think I see RSE’s future is the media business. The overhead of producing books, videos and Internet streaming is lower than running a facility such as Knight’s ranch in Yelm, and media can reach a much wider audience that just what can fit in the horse barn in Yelm. I think were going to see a deemphasis on the, “Ramtha,” character as the central element. There is an obvious problem that if, “Ramtha,” remains exclusively JZ Knight’s character and, “Ramtha,” is central to the business. “Ramtha,” is limited to being in one place at a time. It is a problem if RSE wants to run several seminars in parallel where the core attraction is, “Ramtha,” and, “Ramtha,” can only be at one seminar. If the curriculum depends on allegedly Gnostic information that can only be delivered by, “Ramtha,” then that is a limitation. I think, “Ramtha,” will be there, as after all that’s part of the name of the school. As the RSE business diversifies, I think we’ll see a less central role for, “Ramtha.” That is, unless JZ Knight loosens grip on the trademark to control to allow other instructors inside RSE to use, “Ramtha.” I believe that JZ Knight has convinced herself that, “Ramtha,” is real, and she won’t let go of exclusive control of the character. It could also be a slippery slope to allow other teachers to channel, “Ramtha,” because RSE might have to defend itself from outsiders who also claim to channel the same character.

One of the central quantum physics ideas that RSE uses to explain the curriculum is quantum entanglement, the observation that two particles share an a property that allows the particles to operate as one, even when separated at an arbitrary distance. Quantum entanglement has indeed been used in practical real world applications. Quantum encryption uses two entangled laser beams. If an interloper perturbs one beam, a reference beam to which the attacker has no access is also perturbed so the intrusion may be detected. Where RSE misuses this theory is the particles have to start out close enough to be influenced by a mutual force field. There is no evidence (yet) there is a way to entangle to arbitrarily separated particles without access to a mutual force field. This takes remote viewing, astral projection and the like off the table fore now. It doesn’t look like physical manifestation by merely thinking hard can work. I am glad to hear Dr. Green apparently stuck with evidence based science and didn’t come up with a mumbo-jumbo rationalization to support card reading.
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I told the carpenter that and he said, " Do you know how many times Ramtha was not allowed to smoke "anymore". How they took down all the photos of Ramtha smoking in the quantum Cafe. This has happened and it went back to the same smoking and drinking all over again, this wont last".

Well, If they stick with it, I will be glad. The tobacco pipes ruin the teeth.

Has anyone seen the new RSE clothes, they are printed up they all say: SPIRITUAL GANGSTER.

Its not a college university anymore I guess.
ex
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SPIRITUAL GANGSTER.
how true. do they come as a prison jumpsuit?
ex
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at the end shortly before i left.jz as ramtha himself announced that there will be no wine ceremonies next year. that the school get stricter and more on learning. the private parties got more and more. there were parties in warehouses and in the new childrens school.....
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