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Posted by Kristen July 16 2008.
This is the email from Greg Simmons dated on or around July:
Foreign investors must sell their U.S. dollars.
The dollar will crash, as crisis currencies ? like the Swiss franc and key commodity currencies like the Canadian and Australian dollars?
could go through the roof.
1) Get out of stocks in the banking, housing, tech, and industrial sectors. Get out of mutual and hedge funds.
2) Convert your US dollars into Swiss francs, Canadian and Australian dollars.
Swiss francs should increase 20% - 30% by the end of the year. Canada and Australia have key commodity currencies and are protected by the wealth of their countries.
3) If you have speculative money, buy ETFs ? FXF is the Swiss franc currency.
4) If you want the ultimate leverage, you can invest in the World?s Currency Options ? but I would not do that without expert advice.
Currencies & Metals
1) The British Pound will decline in value
2) The EURO will swing up and down
3) The Swiss franc, Canadian and Australian dollars will increase in value.
4) Gold and silver will continue to increase in value ($1200 gold / $25 silver).
This is too funny I am in stocks, bonds, and some currencies, since Dr Creg and Ramtha can not predict the future, on this letter it look like they are taking a shot at predicting the past,,LOl LOL,
I should not be that way laughing at those poor souls but this is to hard to pass
Also what if the monetary system went down, what if there was some major disaster, who says gold would still be worth owning, maybe something new would take its place. Its all designed to keep everyone fearful, not succesful, where does RSE teach you how to be succesful financially? No point in focusing on it, get up and do it, as far as I'm concerned thinking about what you want to do is pointless, just go and make it happen.
- The Beatles
because "the monetary system won't be around anyway, so I might as well use it
on food and my UG now."
seeing how "normal people are in main stream society, this is entirely ridiculous.
What happens to all those baby boomers when they hit retirement age and have no
pensions and no health care.
And where did all their sacrifice of beautiful homes in Colorado, California, Montana, and later the gold get them? The representative of the Ascended Masters and Great White Brotherhood, who went (also) around the world teaching decrees (affirmations repeated with increasing frequency) to balance the karma of the world, or nations, or the communist threat, and secret agents, and evil, etc, in the end, she was never protected, nor healed, but came down with the tragic condition of Alzheimers. There is a sad lesson in all of that, if you're following a similar organization that claims to have a representative, or THE voice telling you how it REALLY is, and to do this, or don't do that, or eat mass quantities of copper, as in pea=nut... butt er, (from the teachings) and well, the many threads on the various ?ncarnations of this site, indeed, make up a clear tapestry, liken unto the truth of the fabric of space = time, ... turn to your cyber partner and explain why the folly of believing anything of a prophetic nature in a magnificent world of free will and imagination can only have a modicum of veracity if a collective body of believers keep each other pretending, liken unto the little children playing games or hide-and-go-seek.... Turn to your cyber partner... now .... Master in the blue denim... EHH!! You... are you listening!? Are you learning? Raise your hands if you're learning? Turn to another partner and make sure that they are sharing with their partner about why buying gold and silver is not what an enlightened Master would ever do! Nor be frightened and dwell as a prairie dog, or meer kat. Indeed, we shall now have a new teaching, this hour in counting... it shall be henceforth called The MEERKATS... those that run frightened in packsinto their undergrounds...
(are you learning) (after more conversation and rock music playing the background)
Now, I have invited this speaker to enlighten you on the laws of this your own magnificent country, which, after all is on the shores of the remnants of both Lemuria, Mu, and across the terra, what do you term it, eh...uh... the Keys of the Floridians, the steps into the lost continent of Atlatia?
It is not yet time for a latrine break, I am going to ask the Master of Music to play you some tunes, to awaken your neuronets, and you can go to fill up your tires, and have your neuronet engine checked by the Quantum Mechanic! Know you what a Quantum Mechanic is?? It is one that has you check your brains at the door, for insurance purposes, and asks that you leave your life choices with them, and come back in that which is termed a nog-nammad (which, is Atlatian, don't you know, for a period of time (that is no-time) when you leave your vehicle in life, liken unto your auto-machines, but this is the gift of your Body, your Mind, your Family, your Friends, your interests, and DREAMS! And you come back again at the appointed hour. It may be hours or even days or weeks.
You return unto the Quantum Mechanic, and someone behind the glass window at the computer... know you cyber chips, tells you a bill... usually a very large bill, and for this the Quantum Mechanic has reviewed your life, your choices, your country, the world, the past and the future and lets you know whether the Quantum Mechanic has repaired your life, and if so when it will be ready (7 years perhaps) (20 years?) maybe in 250 years??
And if you do not pay the Quantum Mechanic.. well, your life-vehicle is immediately and indifferently removed from the Quantum Mechanic, and you are no longer free to bring your life-machine to the Quantum Mechanic, unless there are certain advertised specials, in which, you may get a tune-up, for a bargain price, and be allowed to rejoin the others whom the Quantum Mechanic calls various names, but usually his beloved.
(More music, More wine, more smoke from pipes)...
Now, sit down! Are you learning? (bellows of laughter piped thru the amplification system)... Now here is some news, as I promised you earlier, here is the speaker, who will enlighten you to the folly of your ways these past many seasons, but it was for your own good don't you know??
Masters, Eh! Sit down, here it is.... hear it and the master generals will be checking if you are taking notes... FOCUS!
Then, there are the self-proclaimed experts, that think they have it covered by not buying american coins, etc. But the fact is, if there ever really was an economic melt-down in our country, our continent, the world... all precious metals (especially gold) would be able to be confiscated. And as you know, you can't find nourishment in eating all that horded gold, it doesn't make any more sense of an 'enlightened teaching' than after years and decades of build up, it has come down to encouraging 'enlightened' betting on the roulette wheel, or card tricks. Here is a forward of a link with at least two known ways the powers that would be might have the right to do whatever they wanted in the event of a national emergency:
Enjoy (for entertainment purposes only, and for your enlightenment)
12:11p ET Saturday, August 20, 2005
Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:
The U.S. Government has the authority to prohibit the private possession of gold and silver coin and bullion by U.S. citizens during wartime, and, during wartime and declared emergencies, to freeze their ownership of shares of mining companies, the Treasury Department has told the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee.
But gold and silver advocates shouldn't feel too picked on. For the U.S. Government claims the authority in declared emergencies to seize or freeze just about everything else that might be considered a financial instrument.
The Treasury Department's assertions came in a letter dated August 12 and written by Sean M. Thorton, chief counsel for the department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, who replied to questions GATA posed to the department in January. It took GATA six months and a little prodding to get answers from the Treasury, but the Treasury's reply, when it came, was remarkably comprehensive and candid.
The government's authority to interfere with the ownership of gold, silver, and mining shares arises, Thornton wrote, from the Trading With the Enemy Act, which became law in 1917 during World War I and applies during declared wars, and from 1977's International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which can be applied without declared wars.
While the Trading With the Enemy Act authorizes the government to interfere with the ownership of gold and silver particularly, it also applies to all forms of currency and all securities. So the Treasury official stressed that it could be applied not just to shares of gold and silver mining companies but to the shares of all companies in which there is a foreign ownership interest. Further, there is no requirement in the law that the targets of the government's interference must have some connection to the declared enemies of the United States, or, really, some connection to foreign ownership. Anything that can be construed as a financial instrument, no matter how innocently it has been used, is subject to seizure under the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
Having just gone through a controversy about a Supreme Court decision about government's power of eminent domain, most Americans may be surprised to learn that the Trading With the Enemy Act and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act could expropriate them instantly and far more broadly without any of the due process extended to parties in eminent domain cases. All that is needed is a presidential proclamation of an emergency of some kind -- and of course Americans lately have been living in a state of perpetual emergency.
When the Trading With the Enemy Act was passed in 1917, gold and silver formed part of the official currency of the United States and were essential to ordinary commerce, so perhaps an argument could be made then against "hoarding," even if "hoarding" could not be well defined. That is no longer the case; the United States has officially disavowed gold and silver as money and they no longer have a meaningful role in commerce. (GATA is working on that.) So gold and silver investors may want to ask their members of Congress to seek repeal of the statutes that give the government the authority to interfere with the private ownership of gold and silver, emergencies or not.
And ordinary citizens with no particular interest in gold and silver may want to ask their members of Congress to reconsider these statutes simply for being wildly tyrannical.
GATA's correspondence with the Treasury Department is appended.
CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.
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January 20, 2005
Roberta K. McInerney Assistant General Counsel / Banking and Finance Department of the Treasury Washington, D.C. 20220
Dear Ms. Mclnerney:
Michael Kirk of U.S. Rep. John B. Larson's office has forwarded to me your letter to him of December 17, which answered my e-mailed inquiry to him about forcible redemption by the Treasury Department of gold and silver coins held by private citizens. You replied that a statute empowering the Treasury Department to do that, 12 U.S.C. Section 248(n), had been repealed.
But since reading your letter I have learned of a similar statute: Title 12. Chapter 2, Subchapter IV, Section 95a, which provides in part:
"During the time of war, the president may, through any agency that he may designate, and under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise -- (A) investigate, regulate, or prohibit any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit or payments between, by, through, or to any banking institution, and the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion, currency or securities. ..."
Section 95a further authorizes the president to "prevent" the "use" by U.S. citizens of "any property in which a foreign country or a national thereof has any interest."
These provisions are of the greatest concern to investors in gold and silver bullion, coins, and shares of gold and silver mining companies, and to those companies themselves. So the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee urgently requests that the Treasury Department explain how it construes these provisions. Particularly, we'd like to know:
* How does the Treasury Department construe "the time of war"? How can gold and silver investors know when the powers described in Section 95a are in operation or likely to come into operation? Are formal declarations of war by Congress required here, or lesser declarations, or none at all, but rather declarations made only by the president?
* How does the Treasury Department construe "hoarding"? Does it include the ordinary collection of gold and silver coins, numismatic or not, and bullion by U.S. citizens, businesses, and corporations, absent any collaboration with enemies of the United States?
* Does the Treasury Department construe Section 95a to empower the president to interfere with the ownership of shares in gold and silver mining companies merely because shares of such companies also might be owned by foreign nationals or foreign governments, at war with the United States or not? Under what circumstances would the president be so empowered?
In essence, we need to know whether Section 95a contemplates the instant destruction of gold and silver investors and the precious metals mining industry in the United States. So the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee asks the Treasury Department for a meeting with the officials who might become responsible for implementing Section 95a, at which we might discuss the concerns of precious metals investors and mining companies. Would you kindly forward our request to the appropriate people?
Thanks for your help.
CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.
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February 28, 2005
Mr. Chris Powell Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. Manchester, Connecticut
Dear Mr. Powell:
Thank you for your follow up letter dated January 20, 2005, requesting information about how the Treasury Department interprets aspects of Title 12, Section 95a, of the U.S. Code.
Most of the questions you raise fall within the jurisdiction of Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). Consequently, I wanted to let you know that I have forwarded your letter to OFAC's Office of the Chief Counsel for a response. The chief counsel's office will ensure that you receive a response to your letter.
If you have questions about the status of your request, please call Mark Monborne, OFAC's acting chief counsel.
Thank you for taking the time to write.
Roberta K. McInerney Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance) U.S. Department of the Treasury Washington, D.C. 20220
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August 12, 2005
Mr. Chris Powell Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. Manchester, Connecticut
Dear Mr. Powell:
Your letters to Roberta McInerney, assistant general counsel (banking and finance), dated January 20 and July 17, 2005, have been forwarded to me for response. I recently became the chief counsel (foreign assets control).
The U.S. Code provision that you reference, 12 U.S.C. Sec. 95a, is a duplicate codification of Section 5 of the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, 50 U.S.C. App. Secs. 1-44 ("TWEA"), with respect to which my office bears responsibility for interpreting.
As you may be aware, Congress enacted TWEA during World War I to prevent certain transactions that might be of advantage to an enemy during wartime. During World War II the Treasury Department implemented extensive punitive blockings of Axis assets and protective blockings of Allied assets.
In 1950 the United States imposed economic sanctions against the People's Republic of China as a result of the Korean emergency to prevent, among other things, Chinese acquisition of foreign exchange through transactions with Americans. The Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC") began enforcing foreign asset control programs in the 1950s. Today the only economic sanctions programs administered by OFAC under TWEA are with respect to Cuba, North Korea, and certain third-country transfers of sensitive materials.
You have asked how the Treasury Department construes the term "the time of war," which appears in section 5 (b) (1) of TWEA. Although TWEA does not include a definition of the term "during the time of war," it does include definitions for the terms "the beginning of the war" and "end of the war." The words "the beginning of the war" are deemed to mean "midnight ending the day on which Congress has declared or shall declare war or the existence of a state of war." The words "end of the war" are deemed to mean "the date of proclamation of exchange of ratifications of the treaty of peace, unless the president shall, by proclamation, declare a prior date."
Thus the phrase "during the time of war" would seem to cover the period between "the beginning of the war" and the "end of the war."
Since this period cannot come into existence without some form of congressional declaration, it would appear that TWEA -- with the exception of its present applicability to the Cuba, North Korea, and transaction control programs referenced above* -- applies only to situations involving a declared state of war. In exercising any of the specific powers available to him under TWEA during the time of war, the president would issue an executive order or other similar instrument generally made available through publication in the Federal Register.
(* -- From the early 1930s until 1977, when the International Emergency Economic Powers Act was enacted, TWEA applied not only in times of war but also in situations in which the president declared a peacetime national emergency. Pre-existing emergencies declared with respect to Cuba and North Korea and certain transaction controls were grandfathered, which explains why TWEA still serves as the basis for those sanctions programs, even though the United States is presently not in a state of war with respect to any of the affected countries.)
The construction of the term "hoarding," as used in section 5(b)(1) of TWEA, would depend on how the president chooses to exercise his authority with respect to hoarding in any particular instance.
In making any decisions under the authorities conferred by TWEA, the president would, of course, be taking steps to address threats to our national security during a time of war. In the past, the president has used TWEA or TWEA-like authorities to criminalize hoarding. See generally Bauer v. United States, 244 F.2d 794 (9th Cir. 1957). Today, however, such activity is not restricted under the only sanctions programs in effect pursuant to TWEA -- i.e., the Cuba, North Korea, and transactions-control programs.
If, during a time of war, the president expressly chose to restrict the hoarding of gold or silver, he could do so.
Among the many factors the president would likely consider before taking such action, however, is the fact that the U.S. Government now mints and issues gold and silver coins to meet public demand for both numismatic and investment purposes.
(See 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a)(7)-(10) & (e)-(i).)
You also have asked about the president's ability to "interfere with the ownership of shares in gold and silver mining companies merely because shares of such companies also might be owned by foreign nationals or foreign governments, at war with the United States or not."
Under TWEA during times of war -- and also under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. Secs. 1701-05 ("IEEPA") during peacetime national emergencies -- the president has broad powers to regulate property in which there exists a foreign interest. See TWEA § 5(b)(1)(B); IEEPA Secs. 1702 (a) (1) (B).
Consequently, the president may restrict shares in any company owned by foreign persons consistent with the purposes of any declared emergency.
In this respect, foreign-owned shares in gold and silver mining companies are no different from foreign-owned shares in companies in any other industry.
Finally, you raise concerns about the "instant destruction of gold and silver investors and the precious metals mining industry in the United States." In the establishment and implementation of sanctions, the U.S. Government is always mindful of the domestic impact of restrictions meant to serve national security and foreign policy purposes. Just as the U.S. Government has been mindful of the practical impact that sanctions have on various service and manufacturing industries, it would also be mindful of the potential impact of sanctions with respect to the markets and industries associated with precious metals.
I hope you find this letter instructive. Thank you for your interest. If I can be of any further assistance, please call me.
Sean M. Thornton Chief Counsel (Foreign Assets Control) U.S. Department of the Treasury Washington, D.C. 20220
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THANK YOU, are you learning now?
Turn to your cyber partners and laugh... come on masters...
This teaching has ended.
You may now remove your blinders and See...
Do the new disciplines, for you are the most advanced students in this school,
for you have seen that which is termed, the light of day,
now that you see, the new discipline shall be called,
See & E
See and Evolve
Love I you greatly
finally, the special group, has now been pulled out of the previous groups, and due to their ability to see beyond the color red in the rainbow, but even the frequencies beyond visible light, their Electro Magnetic Frequency (EMF) was so great, the new "in" group shall be called the EMF (TM) (SM).
The rebroadcast of this cyber posting shall be 2 tallys of gold, for those that are no longer current studentz, they can get in free, just whisper the words, "Enlighten Me Free" and the Blue Guard will let you in the front entrance. Enjoy some refreshments by the pool, and enjoy viewing the gardens, and collectables, as you await the global rebroadcast.
Swami: As demonstrated by See & E and elsewhere on the forum, it is not that hard to come up with Ramtha-style predictions that are either obvious (aka that there are economic cycles) or vague so that eventually RSE can claim they got a hit.
With the mortgage and banking crisis, it does not take a prophecy to see a depression on the horizon. More than likely the economy will be propped up artificially for a little while longer, despite Greg Simmons' weekly email telling everyone to buy gold and silver.
Here's a thread where I make up some prophecies along the lines of some Ramtha gave Diane D'acuti.
http://www.enlightenmefree.com/phpbb3/p ... .php?t=355
Ramtha's prophecies are flowery and convoluted and often vague - while stating something very plain and obvious.
So, WHAT about it ?
Have you not heard about the cycles in the stock market, etc ? NOTHING NEW there, Swami !
Let's ask another question. So, what about the students who
ALL failed the 7-year-school-and-if-you-are-a-sincere-student-you-achieve-God-realized, when Ramtha predicted that they would become Gods Realized in the flesh in only seven years because he designed the teachings to WORK ?
We're talking about a school of claimed ENLIGHTENMENT.
We're not talking about presumptions made from prophecies that WILL prove cyclic in due time. Ramtha said the Doom and Gloom was going to happen for 5/5/2000 and it did NOT. Students prepared for Y2K and it did NOT happen....need I say more ?
They are going to the ug's to focus on World Peace on Earth, you silly. They know if they do that, it will manifest and they can pass out all of their food hoardage to the needy masses.
Masters, fearful ????