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Uploaded to YouTube Sept 2012

Sandra Romero speaks at a local Cult EMF Video
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Fire, Health and Safety Violations at RSE Video 1 of 3 -YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUouND-5Nls

Fire Health and Safety Violations at RSE Video 2 of 3 - YouTube
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David McCarthy Sept 10 2012
Fire, Health and Safety Violations at 'The Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE)

We are former members of RSE making our concerns public regarding Health and Safety breaches at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE) in the hope that in doing so we may contribute to the prevention of more injuries in the future and/or a tragedy from occurring at RSE.
Aside from the abuses inflicted upon attendees through the methods used at RSE, we assert that there are grounds to expose,
or otherwise pursue public safety issues as they relate to the RSE school facility;
and we believe that it would be irresponsible on our part not to do that.
The public, including the participants of RSE, deserve all of the due care and attention governmental agencies have been established to provide.
We further maintain that failure to investigate when violations are brought to the
attention of regulating governmental agencies may amount to tacit agreement with the violations and/or a failure to fulfill obligatory duties.
It is tragic that injuries and/or deaths seemingly take place before the indications & records of negligence (often dating back years), as likely to be found in the case of the JZK Inc. RSE organization, are brought forward.


Related:
EMF Introductory letter sent to Federal, State, and local government agencies.
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EMF Main Document sent to Federal, State, and local government agencies and enforcement's
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Unread post by Ockham » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:23 pm

The assembly hall in the video, as shown, certainly looks safety deficient. Of course a trained professional would have to inspect the facility and perform detailed calculations. In the United States, many jurisdictions use the National Fire Prevention Association document NFPA 101 to caclulate occupancy load and egress capacity for fire safety. That standard to me is a bare minimum.

From the video, egress capacity looks grossly insufficent. A standard 36 inch door has 32 inches of clear space, and NFPA rates door capacity at 0.2 persons per inch. Thus one door with 32 inch clear space is the standard for evacuating 160 persons into unrestricted exterior safe space. If there were 1,000 people in the arena, there would need to be at least seven 36 inch commercial type doors leading to safe space. The egress capacity is also affected by the number and width of internal aisles, stairs (not any there), corodors and obsturctions. Seven doors aren't sufficient if RSE has not rigiorously enforced clear aisles of sufficient capacity to reach the doors. The video shows people sleeping head to toe with barely any clear space; this is a big problem.

The other huge issue is the apparent lack of a fire suppression system in the building. The video shows the rafters and side walls of the building. There are no signs that there exists any sort of sprinkler system.

The video states that the fire alarm system is shut down, presumably to allow for the accumulation of smoke from the use of tobacco pipes or other ceremonial activity. Disabling or tampering with the fire alarm system is a serious violation in any self respecting jurisdiction.

There are a lot of other health and welfare issues raised by the video. For instance, is there sufficient sanitation for the occupancy load? What about the smoke exposure? Is there enough cooling capacity to remove the heat generated by the occupancy?

The RSE arena looks more like a prisoner of war camp than a proper scholastic instructional facilty, or even for that matter a proper fraternal meeting house.

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Unread post by ex » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:17 pm

there are enough doors. remember the double doors. the big one at the end of the hall? there is also a sprinkler system installed. if it has to be tampered with is a different thing. if there is smoking in the hall her insurance bill will be sky high or she will be uninsurable. i guess a liability case can ruin at least rse. that is the main reason for letting her customers sign theire rights off. her own money is probably save.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:47 pm

Thank you ex, Ockham This video will get some attention.
If you or any of our EMF members are open to leaving comments on the Youtube comment section I would very much appreciate it.
Information on blocked exits, candle focus, drunken rages, sleeping in the arena....etc..This would be very helpful.
Just a point to remember..it is as Ockham pointed out... The fire/smoke alarms at RSE are HARDWIRED directly to the fire department,
it is illegal to tamper or disable them.

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Unread post by freemysoul » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:28 pm

Anyone who has ever been to an event at Judith's barn know exactly how chaotic, disorganized, and packed liked sardines it becomes. Add to that the smoke of over a thousand people chain smoking pipes, intoxicated from Judith instruction to 'toast' until inebriated, all the while alcohol and prozac perform blitzkrieg on the brain, compounding said inebriation, while toddlers and young children run afoot like wild animals, mingling with stumbling shitfaced zombies. Walking to the bathroom during an event is an effort in futility, as the narrow walking lanes that are supposed to be opened get filled by people JZ has intentionally overcrowded to pad her pocket book. THIS IS A TRAGIC DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN, and in my opinion stems directly from JZ's greed, "Why hell, if code says only 1000 should occupy this barn, whats wrong with 2000, hell lets make it 3000 if I can triple my profits." It takes hours to get into or out of that barn in the best of circumstances. Under the ones I describe above, hundreds if not thousands would perish, people would trample each other or get compressed and stuck at the confined, snake like exit at the north entrance/exit, which is usually always locked during events, and the large sliding door at the south end would be overwhelmed by the panicked attendees, leaving two tiny single doors, in extremely inconvenient locations, compounding the imminent death toll.

I thank you David for the video and all the work you have put into something I had never thought about until leaving JZ's grasp. I had lived under the recklessly delusional assumption that "Ramtha wouldn't let that happen, we're safe, Ramtha would never let anything happen to me", ignoring all evidence to the contrary. JZ/Ramtha doesn't give a shit about me, or you, or anyone but JZ, so why would a senseless massacre due to her blatant disregard for health and safety laws so much as make her blink. She would justify it all as those who died needing the experience, while her bloated, surgically disfigured ass continued to spread plagiarized evil nonsense, a life ruining trail of purge to a whole new generation of subjugated swine.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:24 pm

I had lived under the recklessly delusional assumption that "Ramtha wouldn't let that happen, we're safe, Ramtha would never let anything happen to me", ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
Thank you freemysoul,
this dangerous insanity continues today at RSE, with students believing they are somehow invincible because 'Ramtha' is protecting them and their families.
I remember at one event JZ/ Ramtha proclaiming "I will protect you and your families if you move to Yelm. :-?
RSE circa 1992, I also remember just one Earthquake drill when we were instructed to RUN to the exits and go to the field.
Does anyone remember events so overcrowded we were elbow to elbow sitting in the arena?
Also...Does anyone know of a Fire Marshals visit during an event, or a fire drill at RSE?

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Unread post by preeatenna » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:18 pm

David, yes to your first question and No to your second question.
There was a fire started once, a small one in a light in the ceiling almost directly above me. Several of us tried to get the staff's attention to alert them to the situation, and we were initially ignored, and then told to shut up. We were calling out - there's a fire. Noone was interested. It was some minutes before we were able to get our message listened to. Later, Scamtha told us that the fire was started by Mothman.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:38 pm

Thank you preeatenna,
Scamtha told us that the fire was started by Mothman.
Mothman... :shock:
Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

So I guess its safe to assume no fire alarms sounded?
Do you remember how the fire was extinguished?

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Unread post by preeatenna » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:26 am

No fire alarms, and no fire brigade arrived as far as I remember. It was a small electrical fire. I am assuming they turned off the electricity, and doused it with the emergency equipment. But then again, maybe Mothman pissed on it. That would have done the trick.

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Unread post by Ockham » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:06 am

Mothman was originally from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, over here in the eastern United States. Perhaps Mothman was vacationing Yelm at the time. Maybe it was Kokopelli getting even for Judy disturbing the peace on sovereign Nisqually land.

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Unread post by Rooster » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:59 pm

I remember several events where one group had paid for tickets and their seats. Upon Ramtha (jzr) calling a session, all groups were invited. Shortly after begining to speak the whole group, in tents or the mess hall were asked to join inside of the arena. Our already small space was tripled or doubled to allow others to be seated. Also causing quarrels about who seat is whos being others also paid for their specail seat. There were times it was so packed there was no getting up to go any where at all.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:50 pm

There were times it was so packed there was no getting up to go any where at all.
This has also been my experience at R$E .
We were suppose to be grateful to be on holy ground sitting in the presence of 'Ramtha'. :roll:
Meanwhile the authorities are still TURNING A BLIND EYE and passing it on to one department after another.
Just who at RSE is tampering with the fire and smoke alarms at RSE?
They are hardwired directly to the fire department, there is no OFF SWITCH.... :idea:
Follow the money :arrow: Follow the corruption ..$$$$$

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:35 am

For the EMF record.

Addresses of EMF Documents sent out February 17, 2010

____________________________________________

Ron Harding
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City of Yelm
P.O. Box 479
Yelm,
WA 98597

Washington State Fire Marshal
PO Box 42600
Olympia, WA 98504-2600

Thurston County Fire Marshal
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Olympia, WA 98502-6045

Thurston County Planning Manager
Development Services
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Olympia, Washington 98502

Thurston County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
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Olympia, WA 98502

Attorney General Rob McKenna
WA STATE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
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Olympia, WA 98504-0100

State Auditor Brian Sonntag
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Internal Revenue Service
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Secretary Janet Napolitano
Department of Homeland Security
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FBI
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Long Range Planning Director:
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Natural Resources Program Manager:
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Permit Assistance Center Supervisor: Gina Suomi
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Building Inspection/PlanReview Lead:
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Compliance:
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RSE BUILDING/ FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS
The Department of Planning and Development (DPD) is responsible for inspecting privately owned buildings and property for compliance with existing building and property maintenance codes.
DPD also works with other departments, such as the Seattle Police and Fire Departments, to solve problems with fire hazards and criminal use of private buildings.
If there is a building or property site in your area that is a considerable “eyesore,”
there is a good chance it is in violation of the Housing & Building Maintenance or Land Use Code.
You can call the Complaint Hotline at 206-684-7899 to report suspected violations.
If you wish to remain anonymous you may do so; you can obtain a case number and the name of the inspector assigned to the case after a few days by calling back or checking online. Once a complaint is made, its status is available online at
: http://www.seattle.gov/DPD/enforcement.
The Fire Department Inspectors will investigate inquiries usually within four days of receipt or immediately if a life-endangering situation exists.
For non-residential buildings call the Fire Marshal at 206-386-1450 FREE 206-386-1450 . Non-residential vacant buildings are not routinely inspected on a quarterly basis by DPD.

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Issues Enforced by Thurston County Land-Use, Building, and Junk Vehicles
Please call Thurston County's automated Compliance Line at 709-3083 to advise us of a code violation with regard to zoning, land use, building codes, hulk vehicles or abandoned vehicles in right-of-ways.
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Fire Health and Safety Violations at RSE part 2 of 3 Sept 20

Unread post by David McCarthy » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:59 pm

Fire Health and Safety Violations at RSE video 2 of 3 3 Sept 2012 - YouTube
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David McCarthy.
Fire, Health and Safety Violations at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE)
Video 2 of 3. Brought to you by EnlightenMeFree.com
Thurston County commissioner Sandra Romero was notified of these violations over and over again for two years and even as recently as this month and she still proceeded to speak at RSE. JZ Knight is Sandra's Romero's largest campaign donor.
Resource Stewardship, who works for Romero, reported last week that there were only minor fire code violations. End the corruption in Thurston County.
Vote out Sandra Romero

We are former Students of RSE making our concerns public regarding Health and Safety Violations at 'Ramtha's School of Enlightenment'
in the hope that in doing so we may contribute to the prevention of more injuries in the future and/or a tragedy from occurring at RSE.

The RSE (SUP) 'Special Use Permit' SUP-95-007
Granted JZ Knight to operate RSE as a 'Fraternity' lapsed in February 2000.
RSE is Not a Fraternity, nor a Church.
RSE is a Private Multi Million Dollar Business Owned and Operated by JZ Knight.

Aside from the abuses inflicted upon attendees through the methods used at RSE,
we assert that there are grounds to expose, or otherwise pursue public safety issues as they relate to the RSE school facility; and we believe that it would be irresponsible on our part not to do that.
The public, including the participants of RSE, deserve all of the due care and attention governmental agencies have been established to provide.
We further maintain that failure to investigate when violations are brought to the attention of regulating governmental agencies amount to tacit agreement with the violations and/or a failure to fulfill obligatory duties.

It is tragic that injuries and/or deaths may have to take place at RSE before indications & records of corruption and negligence (dating back years),
are found in the case of the RSE Corporation are brought forward.

We Request that JZ Knight and her Directors be Investigated for Fraud and Corruption
Resulting in Gross Breaches of Fire and Safety Regulations at RSE
With Blatant Disregard for the Safety and Wellbeing of RSE Students.
RSE Needs to be Shut Down Now
Before a Major Tragedy Strikes and Lives are Lost.

For more information Visit: http://www.EnlightenMeFree.com

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(EMF) View topic - JZ Knight Gifts Local Fire Department $120.000
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(EMF) View topic - RSE business license expired Feb 2 2000
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(EMF) View topic - Fire, Health and Safety concerns at RSE
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1804.

Fire is DEADLY!
Smoke and toxic gases kill more people than flames do.
Fire uses up the oxygen you need and produces smoke and poisonous gases that kill.
Breathing even small amounts of smoke and toxic gases can make you drowsy, disoriented and short of breath.
The odorless, colorless fumes can lull you into a deep sleep before the flames reach your door.
You may not wake up in time to escape.
Only when we know the true nature of fire can we prepare our families and ourselves.
http://www.ready.gov/home-fires

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:40 pm

Hi everyone,

I've asked this question before and just to be sure I will ask it again.
Has anyone experienced a FIRE DRILL at RSE?
During the seven years I attended RSE (1989- 1996) there was just one earthquake drill, this was (around 1992)
and consisted of a JZK staff member Vicky Caddy shouting through a megaphone for us all to run like hell to the nearest exits. :shock:
Of course, bottlenecks were created at the exits, even at the double doors that I headed for.
No alarms sounded and no Fire Marshal or county officials were present.
I was thinking at the time this is nuts...
if this was a real emergency I would get trampled in the panic.

Anyone?

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Unread post by Shocked » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:09 am

Never was there a firedrill at any events I attended, not even a briefing given if a fire or disaster took place.

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Unread post by David McCarthy » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:49 am

Hi Shocked,

What were the years you attended RSE?

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Unread post by seriously » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:14 am

89-91

There was never a fire drill at any of the events I attended nor were there any safety related instructions provided.

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Unread post by joe sz » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:04 pm

RACE does not mean run like hell when a fire breaks out :lol:

this is the US code, the same one we practice regularly at the hospital where I work.
https://www.guideone.com/SafetyResource ... fety08.pdf

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Unread post by Ockham » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:33 am

The NFPA chapters 15 and 29 appear to be relavent to standards for the way RSE is using the converted horse barn. Reading the codes is a pretty good insomnia antidote:

http://codesonline.nfpa.org/a/c.ref/ID0 ... 28/chapter
http://codesonline.nfpa.org/a/c.ref/ID0 ... 22/chapter

Furthermore, Thurston County, Washington Title 14 appears to aopply:

http://codesonline.nfpa.org/a/c.ref/ID020101119622/


Stuff I've seen in RSEs own promotional video that RSE posts to YouTube appears to violate some of the standards in the regulations cited above. For instance, do those huge graven images of JZ Kight cover more than 50% of the wall?

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