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Unread post by curiouser&curiouser » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:40 pm

Hi. I'm new here. I went to RSE as a child in the late 80's, early 90's. Over the last few years I have been doing my own research and hearing things that are quite disturbing from old friends or complete strangers that suggest there is something even more sinister going on at RSE. For instance, I may be just repeating old news, but has anyone noticed the connection between Ramtha and Guy Ballard's "The I AM Activity" that began in the 1930's? I'm just curious as to what other people have found and how it all ties in. Any information would be quite helpful as I am trying to present information to someone that I care a great deal about so that she can see that this is not the place that she thinks it is. Thanks.
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Unread post by David McCarthy » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:43 am

Hello curiouser&curiouser welcome to EMF,

To start the conversation rolling I thought it would be helpful to explore the following posts pulled from our old forum
I am sure there are other posts on Guy Ballard ETC posted on EMF,
but for now I hope this is helpful to you.. :idea:



EMF link to....St. Germain and I AM possibly resemble RSE
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Posted by EyesWideOpen
Jun 11, 2007
This is intriguing information about St. Germain and I AM.
Before "Ramtha" taught "I have always been..." the official teaching was "I AM..."
http://home.gil.com.au/~perovich/Ballar ... .htm#bryan

Have you ever heard of the I AM Activity, Guy Ballard, Edna Ballard, Godfre Ray King, Saint Germain, The Ascended Masters, Mt Shasta, The Great White Brotherhood?

Were you ever an I AM Student? Do you wonder why the magic you first felt when you became an I AM Student was gradually replaced with uncertainty, confusion, fear, loneliness? You are not alone.

Are you ready to stand with God and take a real honest look at the origins of the I AM Activity?In the year 2000, a book originally written in 1940 by an early I AM student, Gerald Bryan, was republished after being out of print for 60 years. If you are an I AM student, its insights into the Ballards will shock you.

why does this web site exist?
the damage done

We are former I AM students who have developed serious concerns about the origins of "The I AM Activity" religious movement, started by Guy and Edna Ballard in the 1930s, and now run by the Saint Germain Foundation from Chicago, Illinois, USA.

We have also become increasingly alarmed about the I AM Activity's subtle but devastating ability to harm the young, the vulnerable, the uneducated, the poor, the aged, the sick. Over the last 2 decades, we have seen dozens of I AM students psychologically traumatized, and left financially and socially destitute after years of sincere effort to live by the I AM teachings.

for evil to succeed, good men must do nothing
We also feel the proliferation of web sites that treat the whole concept of Ascended Masters and an "I AM" Presence as some sort of undisputed "given" need to be balanced by available objective evidence.

The danger of leaving this view unexpressed is the young and vulnerable will then be at risk of living lives based on others' delusions.

A calm and considered sincere seeker will do well to read about the origin of the I AM Activity and the Ascended Masters, and not take the word of anyone who says he/she has met and hears an invisible, inaudible Master.

We have also seen the psychic paralysis students go through when trying to let go of the I AM Activity. The process can be debilitating and drag on for decades. One might feel nothing more than emotionally punctured but then they may be driven to suicide. There might be a sense of loneliness, extreme guilt, fear one has failed God, confusion, and alienation; especially if you cannot talk to someone who has insight into the teachings.

does God reward spiritual elitism?
If you have read the I AM teachings, you will have found its literature resplendent with dazzling light and promises of Invincible Health, Wealth, and Happiness. However, like us, after many years of practice, you may have collected a panoply of rationalizations on why your decrees haven't worked to full effect, and how, if you just 'believe and feel' a little deeper, you really are going to get all that good stuff the Ballards say you can.

But then, you may become confused when you look at Christians, Buddhists, and members of garden variety meditation groups, who seem to have just as much, if not more, health, wealth and happiness as I AM students. This just keeps feeding the doubts which go round and round in your head.

You argue with yourself, hey, I am sure to get more good stuff than the others because I have given up meat, onions, garlic, alcohol, television, and sex; and go to classes three times a week; and wear only constructive colors on the right days; and give decrees three times a day and before crossing the road; and have given up a healthy social life to be in this special little group of spiritually elite and nice people; and hey, I am more sincere and passionate about my religion; AND AFTER ALL THIS, I MUST DESERVE TO GET MORE THAN OTHER RELIGIONS PROMISE.

One of the most difficult things about leaving the I AM Activity is breaking the social bonds formed with like minded people. Most students mix with other students and have limited social life or commonality with those outside the I AM. And we admit that most students are exceptionally good and noble people.

However, when one starts to question the I AM values, it is difficult to remain close friends with those who accept them unreservedly. And yet, it is also a lonely search to find a replacement group where one can hold onto the idealism the I AM Activity fosters.

However, all is not lost. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We believe there is a path that leads to a clearer understanding of one's relationship with God, and accommodates the positive experiences you may have experienced in the I AM Activity.

We are currently collecting students' views on why so many have beautiful experiences in the first few years before things eventually sour. However, until this is published, it is timely for you to sincerely analyze the origin of the I AM beliefs. If you don't question, then you risk not putting your Higher Self first, but instead, are submitting to the Ballards' threats of punishment by angry Dieties, that keep the Will of God in you paralyzed.

If the I Am Activity is all Truth, then it will steadfastly weather any sincere rational inquiry. If it is not all Truth, then it must be revealed as such with God Speed.

the disturbing revelations of gerald bryan

Gerald Bryan was an I AM Student in the 1930s. He became concerned about the Ballards as he started to discern their inconsistencies, their arrogant manner in dismissing criticism, and the teaching's destructive effects on many followers. During the 1930s, he wrote a series of pamphlets revealing these problems, which he published as a book in 1940.

The College of the Siskiyous Library near Mt Shasta has an annotated bibliography written by William Miesse addressing folklore about the mountain. Miesse summarises Bryan's book "Psychic Dictatorship in America" there.

Copyright on Bryan's book has entered the public domain and we have a significant excerpt on our site here.

Following we discuss just a few of the revelations of Bryan's book.

pelley rip off
Before they concocted the I AM activity, the Ballards had built up years of experience in metaphysical organizations. These included The Theosophical Society and William Pelley's anti Semitic politico-religious fascist movement, The Silver Shirts, also known as "Foundation for Christian Economics" and the "Christian Party".

Indeed, Guy and Edna conducted regular spiritualist meetings in Chicago where they used Pelley publications. In addition, many Chicago-ites remember Guy as a man fascinated with mediumship, the channeling of Spirits. He was well known amongst gullible female servants of the wealthy for conducting meetings where he channeled one or more spirits.

One further precedent that would prepare the Ballards for constructing the I AM Activity, was Edna's job as a shop assistant in a Spiritualist Bookshop. Here she had the opportunity to read the prolific range of metaphysical books that met the popular trend for such in the early 20th Century. In addition, the Ballards although poor, had a sizable collection of such books in their home.

When establishing the I AM movement, the Ballards initially focused on drawing members of Pelley's troubled organization into their movement. This was a nifty strategy considering it beat building a member base from scratch, and Pelley members shared metaphysical and pseudo politico-patriotic aspirations to run for government, as the Ballards did. Further, Pelley had a rapid rise to popularity, wealth, and power due to his publications, an act it seems the Ballards wanted to emulate. With Pelley tied up in legal battles and a sinking reputation, the Ballards realized the stage was ripe for a "new improved" movement to sweep America.

A lot of work still lay ahead for the Ballards, which must have seemed a large burden when they were so poor and now aged in their 50s. They had to find a quicker path to the limitless wealth they later preached was freely available to all. So why stop at building up membership on the hard work of someone else, when you can also write your books largely from others' toil too? Which raises the ugly thought of plagiarism.

Gerald Bryan and his wife were well read in metaphysical literature, at least as well as the Ballards it seems. Bryan provides methodical and convincing evidence that six books were plagiarized by Ballard in the writing of "Unveiled Mysteries". These books are:

"Dweller on Two Planets"
"The Brother of the Third Degree"
"The Prince of Atlantis"
" Myriam and the Mystic Brotherhood"
"Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East"
"Secret Power"

Bryan has shown phrase for phrase undeniable similarities between Ballard's words and scenarios, and those of the above books. Plagiarism would be difficult to refute.

the limitations of ascended master protection
To appeal to more people quickly, and pull in that much more money from donations and book sales, the Ballards went to great lengths cajoling and wooing the treasurer of Pelley's movement who had access to Pelley groups throughout the USA.

Ballard, as St Germain, flattered him endlessly, referring to him as his pal. In 1934, after receiving letters from Guy Ballard urging him to come and serve St Germain (and take a cut of the earnings), this man unfortunately succumbed and went on the road with the Ballards, organizing their first public performances outside Chicago. The classes consisted of many current or ex Pelley members.

Now, as part of Saint Germain's wooing of the Treasurer, he had promised his 'pal' Ascended Master protection and blessings. Tragically for the treasurer, Saint Germain neglected to qualify the limitations of Ascended Master protection and blessings.

On Jan 13, 1935, on the last day of a ten day class series in Washington DC, three months after Saint Germain made his promises through the channeling of Guy Ballard, this man was critically injured. He was getting out of the Ballards' car after the last class when he was struck by a passing car. He suffered multiple fractures of the skull and broken legs. Guy Ballard later told him he wasn't inside the circle of light Ballard had drawn around the car to protect it.

This poor man had organized classes and travel on the east coast for the Ballards for 3 months. And the Ballards' return of favor was to dump him in the nearest hospital, consult a psychic healer (not trusting their own healing powers), and continue on their trip across the USA.

To add insult to serious injury, the Ballards later defended themselves against the Treasurer's legitimate cynicism by telling their followers this man had actually died in the car accident and an entity now inhabited his body! How convenient......how pathetic!

the weave of a tangled web

Of course, Ballard never put such qualifiers as "you were standing outside the circle of protection I drew around the car, and that is why you got hit by the car and ruined for life" into the "green books". Ballard knew desperate people trying to escape the struggles of the Great Depression would not find the books as compelling with such un-magical limitations.

From this tragedy, it becomes apparent the Masters and Guy place a lot of qualifiers on their "limitless invincible" rhetoric, AFTER the fact. Anyone who spends a little time in the I AM Activity, soon finds this is the norm regarding that which flows from the Ballards' mouths. Ballard rhetoric, whether in the books or dictations, is all encompassing, limitless, invincible, eternal; no half measures. Anything less would surely raise doubt about the power of the Ascended Masters.

It is only after a student has used decrees for many months that he/she starts to wonder why the promised limitless health, wealth, happiness, and perfection isn't appearing out of thin air, like the Ballards promise.

Only then do the "more experienced students" step in and start laying on a myriad of convoluted qualifiers and pseudo rationalizations explaining why decrees don't always work instantaneously, like the books say they should.

So proverbially, the deceptive weave of the "I AM" web becomes ever more tangled the longer one stays in the Activity. So much so, that the beliefs an I AM student has a year or more after starting out are so watered down they have nothing in common with the magical promises in the I AM books. The first doubt the new student has to get their head around is why the Ballards grew old and died, rather then fulfil the promises of the I AM books.

It is a sobering exercise for every I AM student to reflect back periodically to the frame of mind they were in when they first read the promises of the Ballard books. For many of us, it was comparable to the magic of Christmas when we were children. There were the gifts that appear from nowhere, and a child's awe at the "reality" of magic in the air.

With the passing of time, children grow up, and know where the gifts really come from. They also come to realize Santa Claus is a beautiful idea that encourages us to love and be nice to each other, but also that Santa isn't real. And the same appears to be the case for the Ballard world. The disturbing thing is that the Ballards always emphatically, sometimes hostilely, claimed everything the books had occurred in real life.

guy's invincible body not invincible

Guy Ballard made a lot of claims about having an invincible body of Light that no karma could register on after his Unveiled Mysteries experiences. Early in 1935 when traveling to give a class outside St Petersburg Florida, Don Ballard drove their car into a ditch and wrote the car off. Don, without the invincible body, was not hurt. Guy with the invincible body, broke a few ribs and had to cancel appearances for a few weeks.

ballards are just like you and me

On the same trip to Florida in 1935, normal people noted the Ballards were...well, normal, and not, 'special': Edna got a cold, Guy was known to have a bad temper when things went wrong, and young Don had a fowl mouth.

the love of money

The Ballards dressed modestly until they started receiving "love gifts" and increased book sales on the West Coast in 1935, after which they dressed lavishly and drove flash cars.

Originally, people who attended their classes were told the Ballards did not need money, and the purpose of Love gifts was to open doors of supply to those who gave to the Movement. Attendees at Ballard classes were told not to give copper, only notes and silver. After all, the Ballards were heralding in the "Golden Age", and mere copper would not resonate with Golden Age radiation.

When Edna and Don were up in the courts on fraud charges, guess who paid for the legal defence? No, not the Ascended Masters or Universal supply sources. It was the poor old students again. And supply must have been Spartan at this time for Edna and her students, as Edna often resorted to sleeping in the car during the trials.

Considering the Ballards claimed access to limitless wealth, it is baffling indeed to understand why, instead of asking for money (love gifts), the Ballards did not use their limitless source of wealth to become patrons of many humanitarian and benevolent causes.

The Ballards were poor before the I AM started. They had debts they never paid. When they were later seen swanning around in sparkly shiny new clothes and cars in Chicago, some of their creditors were flabbergasted, and pursued; mainly old ladies swindled by Guy when he borrowed money for living expenses while trying to locate that Ascended Master gold.

In Unveiled Mysteries and The Magic Presence, Guy emphatically states Saint Germain showed him where incredible wealth existed within "them thar hills" throughout America and the world. It is incredulous in the extreme that Guy, possessing this knowledge, did not get one successful gold mine up and running.

Bryan has letters Guy hand wrote back to creditors with sheepish excuses why he couldn't repay, and that in fact he actually didn't OWN any of the trappings of wealth surrounding him. The style in these letters reflect the character of a desperate and spineless con man.

don...don!!! where are you?
It is also hard to reconcile why Saint Germain's pure and beloved Don Ballard, one of Saint Germain's personally selected three "accredited" messengers, thought so little of the activity that he resigned from it in 1957. Rather than serve the mighty Saint Germain, and benefit from the limitless health, wealth and happiness available to all, but especially an accredited Messenger, Don felt a stronger call to the much higher cause of starting up a machine shop in Santa Fe, and wanting nothing more to do with channeling Masters.

imperfect ascended masters
The Ascended Masters are not infallible.
The Ballards had a lot of logistical problems when they first went on the road. Why didn't Saint Germain or the Ballards themselves have enough wisdom to avoid this.

Guy Ballard would regularly check his watch when channeling the Masters. This can only be interpreted as the Masters not being aware of time or the mood of their audience.

Guy, when channeling The Tall Master from Venus, made an error. He referred to a comment made by Saint Germain as being made by The Great Divine Director.

When Gerald Bryan published booklets questioning the I AM Movement, the Ballards told students to go and burn them. This was a stupid thing to do, not something one would expect from an all knowing Ascended Master or their embodied Messiah.

The students had to go and buy the books to burn them. Naturally, Bryan and the bookshops profited from this and the printing presses kept rolling. Eventually, the Ballards had to change their ill conceived, bad tempered strategy of stupidity, and tell their automaton followers to stop buying the books.

the jesus scam

In the beginning, Saint Germain was the king pin. It was only after the Ballards realized they could persuade a lot more people to follow them if they appealed to the Christian background of many Americans, that Jesus started speaking through the Ballards and his picture was hung in classes at an equal height to Saint Germain. How convenient. Then soon followed the Virgin Mary and a host of Christian figures.

The Ballards realized they were onto a good thing with the Christian alignment strategy. So they went one further and started to do an annual pageant about the life of Christ up in Shasta.

This is interesting because The I AM Activity claims the Bible is one of its religious books of instruction. However, the Bible is never quoted from, studied, or treated as a definitive source of information in I AM classes.

ascended master old testament wrath

One original follower selected by the Ballards to run things was dismissed by a letter from Saint Germain warning him that due to his disobedience, his purpose on earth had been cut short and that he should go and ready himself for death. The man was alive and well 4 years later in 1940, when Gerald Bryan published his book.

Many early followers, blessed and selected for responsibility by the Ballards and the Masters, were sacked with nasty letters in Edna's handwriting and signed by St Germain, stating these vicious ones had fallen from God's grace and would now suffer the horrible consequences that would carry for another 2 or 3 embodiments. (After all, what's one extra embodiment?)

These people were guilty of nothing more than contacting and reading about other Spiritual Teachings. It seems free will is an evil quality to the Ballards.

give us a break

And it seems strange that St. Germain could not even risk writing his own letters, let alone showing himself and talking to anyone but the Ballards. An educated person might be forgiven for thinking it strange that no one but the Ballards have first hand experience of meeting St. Germain.

Home the big juicy baits
Like most poorly conceived but high aspiring fringe religions and cults, The I AM Activity attracts or baits people with promises of magical miracles. However, unlike most religions, the Ballards go all out and promise not one but four Mother of all miracles:

Mother of all Miracles Number 1
- Followers can attain invincible youth and health (eternally so), and escape the ravages of old age. Indeed the Ballards say that old age and infirmity can be reversed using I AM decrees.

Mother of all Miracles Number 2
- Followers can materialize limitless wealth out of thin air without working for it or being given the money by relatives or friends.

Mother of all Miracles Number 3
- Followers can live perfect harmonious happy lives untouched by all the common negativities that are part of the human condition.

Mother of all Miracles Number 4
- Followers can raise their bodies into the Ascension without dying.

So now we have in the above, that age old triune sought by all humankind since Adam was a boy- health, wealth, and happiness. But the Ballards go the extra mile and whack in a "no death" clause by promising...no death.

Now, we know many current and former sincere I AM students who decreed for over 50 years and regularly went to big classes, where a decade of yacky karma was dissolved per class. And all of them, without fail, could personally state that:

- NO I AM student has ever attained invincible youth, sustainably reversed the effects of old age, or unequivocally avoided ill health.

- NO I AM student has ever materialized limitless wealth out of thin air, and most I AM students are no wealthier than members of conventional churches.

- NO I AM student has ever lived a life exceptional by its absence of negativity and limitations, not at least without the help of relative's money.

- NO I AM student has ever raised their body into the ascension.

If anyone reading this knows of someone who has attained one or more of the above, we seriously want to hear from you. And seriously, we are giving away $10,000 to motivate you. You can email us at the address below.

Until then, the sad reality remains, that in the 70 year existence of the I AM Activity, not one I AM student has experienced any of the four major miracles of the movement. And the real scandal is, neither did the Ballards.
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We really would love to find the Ballards never lied, so we encourage you to take a trip down to your local I AM Sanctuary, and play 'spot the wealthy self made 90 year old youth'.

We are putting our money where our mouths are (something the Ballards never did) by offering $10,000 cash for the first person to find a youthful 90 year old I AMer.

As proof of youthful countenance, the student will need to complete tests at a medical facility of our choice. We also need a legitimate birth certificate. For detailed conditions of entry, please email us. This is a serious offer.

Re: St. Germain and I AM possibly resemble RSE
Posted by Nellie Neurotic
Jun 12, 2007 - 6:21AM
It is almost too eerie how this article so accurately describes Judy and her gig -- We could so easily plaigerize !! their article by simply inserting the appropriate names!!!!!
Eerie-er still is that after so years since my last 'currentness' I can still feel kicked in the gut by the facts of what happened/s at Judy's place; as well as gain new perspectives - recognize the obvious I never recognized before - at least not so clearly.
Thanks for sharing Eyes.


Posted by Joe Sz Jun 12, 2007 - 10:41AM
Good post. I've been familiar with this site and ex-I AM students, most of them quite old now if still living. I hear from some now and then for help.

In 1983 or so I interviewed the author of "Psychic Dictatorship in America" (1940)Gerald Bryan's widow, Olive Bryan, in California. Quite a lady. After Gerald died she was Manly P Hall's personal secretary for many years. MP Hall was an independent theosophist/occultist and Blavatskyite (he kept a shrine to the old madame at his Philosophical Research Society headquarters).

Olive became a channeler in her retirement years---she even channeled her god Demetrius for me. Just a few sweet sentences of encouragement. Demetrius was a handsome young Greek male from 2000 years ago who 'ascended.'

Sometimes I wonder if these channelers are subconsciously exposing hidden desires through the beings they pick---judyz wants to be all-powerful and an 'outrageous' drunken rascal at the same time. Olive lived simply and alone and had her young male imaginary being

Olive reported how much harrassment her husband went through, threatened often by irate I AM members at the time (1938-1940) when he was distributing the pamphlets that later became the book in 1940. G Bryan was a chiropractor as I recall.


Posted by Cowboy Jun 13, 2007 - 7:25PM


And what about the List? It is a series of "decrees."

Everything was supposed to be said in the I AM form. And then at some point (around 2000?) Judy/Ramtha changed it to I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.

What gives?


Posted by Comte St. Germain Jun 14, 2007 - 4:35AM
Hey Cowboy,

she/he also taught affirmations in the past tense:
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Re: Strange findings...

Unread post by curiouser&curiouser » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:21 am

Wow! So, it's not just me... Thanks, David. I really appreciate it. I can't wait to look over these old posts. This is something very important to me and so far my research has lead me to believe that RSE really is not at all what it purports to be and that is rather frightening to me... Thanks for you help.
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Re: Strange findings...

Unread post by David McCarthy » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:23 am

You are most welcome.
Hopefully I am not about to overwhelm you with too much information at this early stage of your understanding and unravelling the deceptions of RSE.
Remember how hard Judith pushed the Baird Spalding books " The Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East"?
take a peek at this thread sparked by Joe Sz
'EMF' Message Board • View topic - Baird Spalding as I knew him

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Re: Strange findings...

Unread post by curiouser&curiouser » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:47 am

Thanks again, David. I really appreciate all the information you can provide. I guess I am feeling a bit overwhelmed but not because of the info you are providing, mostly do to the sheer volume I'm finding on a simple web search... which leads me to wonder how it is that she is still in business!? And how it is that people are still buying into all of it!?

As I said in my original post, I went to RSE as a child. I was actually there before it was RSE... but that's neither here nor there... I stopped going by the time I was twelve years old (which by the way is longer ago than I care to think about :lol: ). I obviously saw that there was something not quite right there at twelve! But it has still taken years for me to get rid of the indoctrination that was such a big part of my childhood... as much as I didn't ever want to go back and for all the years that had past it was still very hard for me to believe that it could all be a huge hoax... Then someone I worked with who had no idea that I used to be a part of RSE told me about the extremely low frequency machines that are in the arena which lead to a virtual firestorm of unsolicited information that I was bombarded with... long story short here I am trying to figure out what to do with all this information and how I can use it to help others...

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Strange findings...

Unread post by joe sz » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:49 pm

careful, mate. I've been at this cult expose business and helping "others" since 1980. It is easy to get overwhelmed as well as messy.
the former because you are entering crazy territory riddled with anti-social personalities, schizophrenia, deceit, and delusion--not to mention rigid true believer blockheads

Do you recall the saga of Brer Rabbit and the tar baby? That is what happenes when you try to "fight" a cult without proper preparations and protective clothing.

http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/20 ... _baby.html

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Re: Strange findings...

Unread post by curiouser&curiouser » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:18 am

Hi Joe - thanks for the words of caution... you make some very good points that I will absolutely keep firmly in mind. I appreciate the input :D
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JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by David McCarthy » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:47 am

What may be becoming painfully obvious to RSE survivors is the RSE 'teachings' are no more than a massive collection of plagiarized material stolen from works of religious traditions, science, science fiction and fantasy novels expertly marketed by JZK, Inc.
A blatant example of JZ Knights RSE plagiarism can be found in Vera Stanley Alder's book "from the Mundane to the magnificent".



Vera Stanley Alder -
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Stanley_Alder[/i] -

From the Mundane to the Magnificent: A Volume of Autobiography: Vera Stanley Alder:
Amazon.com: Books 9780877285045:
http://www.amazon.com/From-Mundane-Magn ... 0877285047

Did JZ use material from Vera Stanley Alder book?
EMF Bravenet.com Forum
http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... 7&cmd=show
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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by Ockham » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:54 pm

It is intereasting that Vera Stanley Alder books other than From the Mundane to the Magnificent are not difficult to obtain. From the Mundane to the Magnificent is even difficult to obtain via inter library loan. If one does a an Internet search, most ofd Ms. Alder's texts are available as scanned documents in Google Books - but not From the Mundane to the Magnificent. I don't like to be a conspiracy theorist, however I am becoming convinced Alder's book in question is being intentionally suppressed due to its similarity to RSE text passages. The exiatance of Alder's materially similar works pre dating by 40 years Knight's supposedly uniquely channeled messages certianly calls into queation the varsity of Knight's claims. Interestingly, when I looked on Google Books' web page for From the Mundane to the Magnificent , Google cites Ramtha the white book as a, "related text.". As usual, not much gets past the giant Google computer in the sky!

http://books.google.com/books/about/Fro ... LYAAAACAAJ

I wish Google would elaborate on their web page as to why the texts are related.

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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by Marie » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:51 am

There are several copies of this book available on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/From-Mundane-Magn ... 0877285047
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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by Ockham » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:52 am

I know Amazon.com uses some sort of adaptive pricing which allowsmvendors to dynamically adjust prices that its affiliates dsplay to Amazon's customers based on what they think a customer will pay. What Amazon is displaying to me is "1 New from $749 and 2 used from $156.". Ouch!

In contrast, Finding the Third Eye is available for $10.42 new or $2.99 for an electronic Kindle version.

That's quite a contrast in availability.

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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by Marie » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:52 am

A difference in price yes -- availability... well I thought the thread of this discussion was that copies of "From the Mundane... " were hard to find. Amazon has everything!...;-)
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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by David McCarthy » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:40 am

Hi Marie,..
well I thought the thread of this discussion was that copies of "From the Mundane... " were hard to find.
Actually no...This thread topic is "JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material" And I believe any reasonable person who has actually read Vera Stanley Alder's work "from the Mundane to the magnificent" would conclude JZ Knight has plagiarized her book. I remember copies circulating around Yelm in 1991, as brainwashed RSE customers we concluded that 'Ramtha' must have taught Vera Stanley Alder...for what other explanation could there be? :roll:
How about Confirmation bias?


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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by Ockham » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:32 pm

It seems rather odd that of Vera Stranley Alder's book series that only one, From the Mundane to the Magnificent, is relatively difficult to obtain. I am suspect of a fifteen times price premium for a text, that from reading the discussions, does not appear to be materially less desireable than Alder's others. I am not a book maven, so I don't know the fine points of text book, "archeology;" I wish I were more skilled at background research. I would like to know who now owns the rights to the respective books in the series. Wouldn't it be interesting to find out JZK, Inc. or one of its sister companies controls the rights?

We have already seen some possible precedent for manipulaion. It seems almost ccertain that Weinberg who was a writer of earlier Knight texts, including, Ramtha, (commonly known as the, "white book") was paid off to fade out of sight. Buying out the competition to make more market space for one's own products is a time tested industical technique. So be it for JZK, Inc.? Amen.

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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by FreeNow » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:43 am

I am reading the works of Alvin Boyd Kuhn and see a lot in there that Ramtha/JZ has taught.
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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by FreeNow » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:49 am

From The Finding of the Third Eye, 1958, by Vera Stanley Alder on kindle so I don't have a page number but towards the end of the introduction;

Speaking on the new seeker:

"His inexperienced eyes are unable to detect the true from the false, and he is at the mercy of many people who seek to enlist him for their own pet cult, or who wish to make profit for themselves by trading upon his virgin curiosity and yearning. If he has a tendency to emotionalism or a love of the sensational, he will be an easy prey."

Perhaps this is where she got the idea?
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Re: JZ Knight RSE plagiarized material

Unread post by forever » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:02 am

It isn't just plagiarized but it isn't even lived.

When i watched the hardness in her face without Ramtha-i saw it. The same intensity ego typically male. In a million words what's really said? "You are God".

The teachings expand to accommodate her ever growing ego/insanity. In the 20/20 she used the line to Sherrill MacNaughten of being one of Ramthas daughters.

Notice how it's gone from:

1. Jesus came to teach what Ramtha is.
2. Ramtha and friends created Jesus.
3. Ramtha is who Jesus talked to in the desert.
4. What's next?
5. Getting on with my llife!!!

Ramtha is an ever expanding consciousness/entity that over time is being introduced as what's behind/within the great minds of history. Isn'tit interesting that she makes claims that can't be confirmed/denied? As far as that "scientific" study BS..why not just manifest something out of air? Levitate. Tell them what they had for breakfast 10 years ago on a Saturday morn? Anything.

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