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response to wisewoman - part 1
Another Dimension60 posted
Wisewoman ' Thank you for sharing. Part of me wants to apologize for the overt cynicism and sarcasm with which your posts have been responded. Another part wonders what your motivation is here when the parameters of purpose are clearly stated. Perhaps you sincerely believe that readers and posters here lack some significant information that you can share with us. Perhaps, if it's true, and you are the spouse of paid staff, then well perhaps you are 'trolling' for jz. Nevertheless, this one time, in case you're not just trolling, I will respond with facts and perspectives I have. (I've put this post under chit chat to respond to the multiplicity of your posts in one)
Water. I'd bet the farm, if I owned one, that those posting and reading here do value water ' probably more than the average person. The value of water is not actually the issue nor the cause of the responses here to jz's NVN ad or behaviors regarding the city of yelm and the development bordering on her property. Nor do I believe that protection of water and of other people is motivation behind these behaviors. Having one's minions in the dept of ecology change the water rights for yelm (lower), costing the city of Yelm thousands and thousands of dollars and staff time, facilitating the bankruptcy of two people, scaring people, cutting and pasting from a 180 page report and taking a single line from it and expanding on it ' these are not behaviors or reflect characteristics of someone doing 'the Great Work', and are consistent with past behaviors. In your posts you've referred to qualities of love and compassion and integrity and healing. ' '. In this world of corrupt politicians and govts and corporations, Yelm is blessed to have a few decent honest loving compassionate peace loving people with integrity doing their honest best to serve their families and community. '. Per your report, I bet you are smart enough to come up with no less than a dozen different approaches to the city of Yelm re concerns for the water of its citizens ' each plan of which would reflect love and peace and compassion and integrity. The fact that JZ and Steve Klein continue to use the same tactics utilized in RSE ' of division, of mis-information based on valid information, of engendering fear, of attack, do not, to me, reflect qualities or behaviors I admire or want to emulate. Cooperation, sharing, compassion, discussion with love and integrity ' these are the qualities I'd consider reflective of concern for a community and its natural resources. Peace and harmony and balance are not brought about by attack and accusations and disruption and lies.
Jeffry Knight sincerely believed what ramtha told him ' that he would be healed. He was also promised health care by jz. She refused to keep her promise. He went to tell her that if she didn't help him as promised he would take her to court. She asked him to come back to her. He refused.
Where is the love and compassion and integrity and healing for a man who stood by your side and facilitated the growth of your career.' Jeffry Knight could not afford health care. To dare blame him for his death or his lack of medical care is ' to me ' heartless, reflective of the rhetoric you've absorbed, and unnecessarily hurtful.
Speaking of love and compassion and healing and integrity ' if you had a few million dollars and 30 years of studying healing with the greatest master who ever lived, and your friend and loyal employee of those 30 years was needing surgery ' would you allow her to go to outpatient surgery for a devastatingly major operation' Would you mock her in front of the people she's known and served for decades' Do you find such behavior admirable' Is this the kind of behavior reflective of 'the Great Work''
Every day thousands of people are being healed through a diversity of 'procedures'. For some it's prayer. For some it's ritual/with meaning. For some it's dancing or singing. For some it's simply seeing/knowing. Etc. Healing without medicine is factual, universal, throughout time and culture and tradition. Have healings occurred for and with people who have attended ramtha events' Of course. So too have healings occurred for and with the people in the churches down the road, and probably even the Buddhist Temple across the street. Have unnecessary deaths occurred for/with people involved with ramtha' Yes. As well as in the churches down the street and throughout the world --- it's just that there are more unnecessary deaths that I've seen/know about with those involved with ramtha than in the churches down the street.
Most interesting is that the Ramtha of 1984 would have said to you/the child who healed ' Master, always give credit to God first. --- In fact, OldOne, if you're listening to the Hawaii video, you've heard Ramtha say that. So if it was the child who healed ' then I'd have to say, humans are capable of manipulating everything seen and unseen ' powers do exist. As do OBEs. Sidhis. Cards are found. Even our govt.'s employees can do remote viewing. So. What is important to me, is, - is there Love, acknowledgment of the Divine, and the recognition that there is only One Presence and One Power in the universe, and neither you nor I are It. We can become/allow/surrender to Oneness with It. If the child healed, he is a good magician. He has a future. If God/the Divine/the Union of intent healed. Blessings.
Whatever is truth or true that has been taught at ramtha events has been cut and pasted from books that discuss such truths. Similar to the cut and pasting done by Steve Klein/JZ Inc et al regarding the water supply in Yelm.
We all have learned through our experience with ramtha. each in our own way. We who post here, and many who read and don't post here, also have been able to see that the environment ' physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually is abusive. Apparently you disagree. 'so be it'.(Taylor Caldwell, Great Lion of God, p.527, 1970)
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Sat May 30, 2009 11:07 pm
David McCarthy posted
Perhaps I missed a post here AD, can you direct the moderators to what you are referring to?Part of me wants to apologize for the overt cynicism and sarcasm with which your posts have been responded.
This is sadly very true.Jeffry Knight could not afford health care. To dare blame him for his death or his lack of medical care is ? to me ? heartless, reflective of the rhetoric you?ve absorbed, and unnecessarily hurtful.
Wisewomen,
Do you remember David York?
Do you remember him limping in agony in the name field and tank? his feet were covered with lesions.
Shortly before David died of Aids, I asked him..
Why on Earth didn't you ask "Ramtha" to heal you?
he said... I did, I got down on my knees....and begged,
I told "Ramtha"...
I know you can heal me, Please heal me..!
"Ramtha" told me..I was not ready...
David was buried with his cards.
Judith sent some flowers.
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Wisewomen,
You have been a "student" of RSE for many many years,
So on this basis...I sincerely ask you...
What of the following disciplines / remarkable abilities can you or "Doctor Greg" demonstrate
unquestionably the claims made by RSE Inc?.
For instance...
Introduction to RSE 2004.
What You Will Learn..
What a student can expect from attending a Beginning Retreat:
To learn the science of manifestation by "properly" using the brain.
The various disciplines teach you focus and how to access the "magical" parts of your brain.
To learn to heal and rejuvenate your body through an ancient ritual.
This discipline has healed every conceivable disease and can extend your life beyond your genetic expectancy.
Manifesting Something Out of Nothing
Discipline of Blue Body Healing
Ability to Physically Heal Yourself and Others
In this school you are given knowledge that is found nowhere else in the world, literally.
The disciplines of the Great Work are designed in such a way that nothing is left to chance or belief..
Another great aspect of this school is that you are initiated into the philosophy through special disciplines designed by Ramtha that turn the philosophy into personal experience.
This allows the students to begin to experience their own personal truth, their own personal wisdom, and no longer rely on blind faith or someone elses word. The only requirement in the school is full participation. No one can fail this school; you can only quit.
You will receive knowledge on how to do miraculous things with your mindRSE advertisements 2007........
What You Will Learn.
Manifesting something out of nothing
Healing with the Blue Body?
Twilight? - A visualization process during sleep
Students are initiated through special disciplines designed by Ramtha that turn the knowledge into personal experience.
This allows the students to begin to experience their own personal truth, their own personal wisdom, and no longer rely on belief, faith, or someone else's word. In this school you are given knowledge that is found nowhere else in the world.
The disciplines are designed in such a way that nothing is left to chance or belief.
They allow you to put to the test the statement that you create your own reality.Dear Wisewomen,2001 Ramtha quote
focus on my eyes - when you are insecure and you are sick and you have forgotten to believe, all you have to do is focus on this face. This face is burned into your training because my consciousness is greater than any weakness you could possibly possess. And anyone who watches this is going to get those close-ups of me, and I am going to work wonders in the world.
RSE 2005
Become a remarkable life..
Where the incredible become the credible in just eight days of your life.Quote:
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RSE 1996?Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, the American Gnostic School.
JZ Knight.
Ramtha?.
This is a school that will challenge your current beliefs and intellectual assumptions. You will work hard. You will grow. You will be transformed.
There has never been anyone in this school that has ever been harmed.
Quote:How many people in your family do you know? Maybe you wear glasses, maybe you can't hear very well. Maybe you have cancer, maybe you are plagued. You know someone who's bruised.
Let us say, in less than seven years, you have the power of the healer, you have learned all of the knowledge of how to do its sacred knowledge, sacred science.
And then the more you do it, the more consistent you come in. And then one day you turn to your child, your mother, your father, to yourself, and you apply the knowledge; and behold, it happens.
That's what you're going to learn here.
I have students in this school that have healed themselves of terrible diseases, maladies. I have students who can see through blindfolds. I have students who can read your mind. I have students who can find what you hide.
I have students who leave their bodies. I have students that love the nature of God. So what I teach is a truth.
Now, wasn't Jesus born in a manger?
Sitting on the floor, it's a sign of humility. It's a sign of being back to nature, close to the earth. It is coming down from your humanistic point of view.
There is no need for alcohol or drugs in this school. There is no need for any outside stimulation. God has given everything to you to go within to find that.
This is your opportunity to set the record and facts straight if you can.
I am willing to videotape any RSE "student" that can demonstrate the outrageous claims and advertisements made by RSE,
And post it on EMF.
Just drop me an Email me at: LARSE@ywave.com
Lets meet for tea at Mr Doug's
With kind regards,
David.
P.S.
Ramtha quote..1988
Become Christ.
"Do you think the most important thing in your life is your children?
They?re going to grow up and leave you. Do you think the most important
thing in your life one another It is a conspiracy
The most important
thing is you.
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Sun May 31, 2009 2:02 pm
wisewoman posted
Wisewoman is Here Again...Now
Let's be absolutely clear about this: I am not trolling here for anyone. I am not employed by JZ. I am not the spouse of any staff member or employee. I am not here to disturb anyone's point of view or change your minds. I just came in to find out if my friend, Ms. K....* moderator edit was feeling better about her life after leaving the School. She called me and we talked for two hours before I left for Colorado last May. I have been in Colorado, Arizona, and Canada before returning to Washington state, so I am out of the social loop with some of these issues and concerns.
I do have a mind of my own. I am not one to randomly take sides. I look at the issue, instead of the people supporting it or being against it. I would gladly be willing to stand alone on principle, even if ten million people stood on some other platform and all concurred about some topic. I am a thoughtful individual. I speak my mind on some subjects and on others I may choose to remain silent. It depends upon what kind of mood I am in at that moment. You could find laughter, debate, endless discussions with examples, and even the occasional "I don't know" coming from me. I do not do other people's dirty work, so your fear or concern that I might be trolling FOR anyone can be dismissed.
I did not expect such strong reactions to my posts, but I did anticipate that most people would be here to air their concerns about JZ, Ramtha, and RSE. I have not been living under a rock, but I have been away and thought I could get a sense of where everyone is now. I have... I am not offended, because I have no sides to take. I have my own experience and I stand upon the merit of my own Beingness. I suppose that I could demonstrate my mastery of the disciplines and that might be useful and purposeful to some if David were to post it here. The real question is how does each individual learn for themselves how to be the Master. That is not for me to decide...I am busy taking care of this for myself. I do like to discuss issues and share experiences however; and I doubt that this will change anytime soon.
Jeffrey made his choices and I am not condemning him for those choices, but they led to his death. JZ and Ramtha had the free will to decide to intervene and help him heal...or leave him to his own devices and follow his path to either healing or dying. I have worked with patients with HIV and AIDS and some have recovered while most have died. Either outcome was not my responsibility, it was and always will be the individual's responsibility. I have no reason for blame. I do see that his choices determined the outcome of death. That is not a hurtful position, it is simply an observation of the little part of my interactions and/or potential for interactions I had with Jeffrey. Hey, I even sat on Jeffrey's side of the courtroom during the trial and some of the people in our School were puzzled by my choice of where to sit. I didn't mind if I sat beside Jeffrey's key witnesses, lawyers, and supporters. I spoke with the lawyers that were next to me. I talked with Jeffrey and others there to help him. I am not the type of person who takes sides. I made my resources available at that time and Jeffrey chose not to pursue them. I am not the type of person who forces what I know on others; although I will boldly speak out about what I know to be true for me. I am not shy and I will not apologize for my stance on any topic of discussion. You will always know where I stand and why, even if it takes ten hours to fully explain the reasons for my position. If only I had the luxury of taking all that kind of time here. I don't. So sometimes you will find me here and other times I may be absent for awhile. I genuinely do care how former students, people in our community, and even those who would wish to destroy our School feel about these matters. I have spent time with Rev. Stowe and was the first student from RSE who ever visited his church, met with his congregation, and interacted with his Baptists who wanted to look me in the eye and see if the devil had possessed me. We all had a good time and left as friends agreeing to peacefully co-exist in our community. I am no stranger to diverse opinions and perspectives. I may not agree with many of you here, but I do respectfully listen to your personal experience.
I did watch David York and others deteriorate from their diseases. I have also watched and assisted many students attend to their health care needs and have watched them heal and restore their health through a variety of approaches. I am not heartless, nor hurtful. You don't need to project those qualities upon me...they don't exist within me. I have gone to great lengths to help people in our School as much as possible for two decades and counting. People have helped me, too. People have also ignored me. It's alright.
If I continue to come into this Forum and post stories about my experiences, then you will learn through my writing just what disciplines have been mastered to varying degrees. I should write a book... There are some accomplishments that I have documented with video, laboratory results, and witnesses; but then that became relatively unimportant to me. I fell in love with my Being when I could walk among the aspens in the mountains of Colorado and call forth the Wind...and the Wind would whisper to me immediately. I even taught four high school age girls to change the weather during one of the wild afternoon thunderstorms that passed through. I showed them how to change the weather in one quadrant of the sky where there were rain clouds, rain pouring down, and thunder with lightning on its way toward us. I asked them in what direction they wanted to learn to send the rain, since the earth needed to drink it up for all things to grow. They fully participated in the process and witnessed it happening right before their eyes. Then after the first successful demonstration, they wanted to make sure it wasn't just a fluke, so they picked another quadrant of the sky which was dark and rumbling and within five minutes there was blue sky and white clouds to their satisfaction. This was not the first time I did this and it will not be the last. In fact, at one Beginning Event at the Ranch, just before registration ended on the first day, new students were milling around between the Great Hall and the Annex and it was beginning to rain. They commented on how it would be nice to stop the rain. So I showed them how to do it and while everyone was watching as they got organized for the event to start...the rain stopped. There are more stories that I could share, and perhaps I will as time goes by. It's enough for me to know who I am and that I am satisfied with my level of mastery. Everyone can do what I do. I have given demonstrations to prove that this is the case in a quantifiable methodical manner. If I eventually discuss this here, it will be due to everyone honoring me for who I am...not who I know.
David - If you really want to meet for tea at Mr. Doug's, I will consider meeting with you. I prefer the Blue Bottle where I can get a cup of fair trade organic coffee! Mr. Doug's doesn't serve the kind of tea or water that I put in my beautiful body, so I would have to watch you drink your cup of tea while we talk. Fine by me...
Sara - I cannot send a private message on this Forum, but I thank you for yours. I am honored to hear from you. Blessings and much gratitude! Hopefully, we may find a way to exchange messages and discuss our common experiences with integrity and sincerity.
David - I do not personally know what Greg can or cannot do. I know him, but I have not asked him to demonstrate his prowess to me. I did discuss his train experience with him. One of these days, remind me to tell you the story about my airplane flight to Canada. I altered the weather during that flight while we were making our final pass after two hours of circling the airport waiting for permission to land the plane. I chose to make my connecting flight to Canada, since I was the Guest Speaker at a Holistic Medical Conference in Canada and didn't want to miss my speaking engagement. In front of all my fellow passengers I did 'my thing' to a lot of snickering and amusement and doubt. But when the captain announced that we had miraculously been cleared for landing, everyone near me cheered. They knew what had just happened and who had done it. No biggie...I just wanted to make my next flight and speak at the Conference.
moderator edits - EMF respects the privacy of all who post here. Please do not use people's proper names on this forum or use it to solicit others to reveal personal information about those who post here. Your cooperation is appreciated. Thank you.
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Sun May 31, 2009 7:42 pm
David McCarthy posted
wisewoman,
I will be happy to meet you anywhere in Yelm, just drop me a line.
The same goes for a video tape interview of any RSE student (current or not)demonstrating what RSE claims to teach.
It works like this,
If a Music School claims to teach a master course in classical Flute,
Yet....
Not one of its students can demonstrate playing the flute, even after twenty years in the school,
further more, not even the "Master Teacher" can demonstrate playing the flute...!
And I am not talking about "Talking year after year about the theory of playing the flute,
What kind of school would that be?
Did you not read in black and white the RSE curriculum?
What I am asking is a very simple request that would be forthcoming by any legitimate school
be it music or otherwise.
You are supporting an organization that is not only fraudulent..... it has destroyed peoples lives and continues to do so.
But what I read in your book of life is that everyone has free choice in these matter's,
much the same as Judith's RSE line.... "There are no victims in this world"..
But this is the philosophy of a sociopath....
David.
LARSE@ywave.com
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