Issue of Abuse addressed on JZ Chat
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:21 am
http://ramtha.com/html/community/chatroom/1-16-2002.pdf
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student> Z. I woke up yesterday with the urge to tell my father that his father and 2nd wife used hypnosis on me as a child and molested me. I developed sexual neuronets by the age of 5, and used to have fits trying to explain it to my parents, but couldn't.....
student > Would it serve him to know this...I do not want to cause him any grief, since his father is dead now.
Zebra_aka_Z > ....I'M SORRY. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?
student > Do I tell my dad that his father molested me as a small child....would it serve him to know this since his father is dead, ...I only know that it would explain my fits as a child ...
Zebra_aka_Z > CAUTION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE IN FRONT OF MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MISUSE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT...
student > So it would be used to bias their relnships to me hereafter? Or would their advice be misleading?
Zebra_aka_Z > WELL,... HAVE YOU ALWAYS KNOWN THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED?
student > I know that I had sexual responses at about 5 years. I know that my step grandmother talked to me in my sleep......and that I got really weird inside when I visited them on my own for several weeks at that age.....
Zebra_aka_Z > UNFORTUNATELY,... SOME FOLKS CAN SEE INTO YOU AND IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THE TRUTH TO BE
KNOWN,...THEN THIS COULD BE A WEAKNESS THAT SOME MAY USE...GET MY MEANING?
student > yes...it could be used as a hammer when my defenses are down...or better to say when I am open ...
Zebra_aka_Z > RIGHT....
student > I have done that myself all my life....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...STILL WANT TO CONTINUE?
student > yep
Zebra_aka_Z > HOW HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN YOUR LIFE?
student > I am shaking...........
student > I get to having an open talk or love relnship with another and then I zing them, and I see them hurt...even did this with Ram. That was a real killer...
student > I just want to stop it, but have not gotten to the roots........
1-16-2002 ? JZ Chat Transcript Page 2 of 3 5
student >student> Z. I woke up yesterday with the urge to tell my father that his father and 2nd wife used hypnosis on me as a child and molested me. I developed sexual neuronets by the age of 5, and used to have fits trying to explain it to my parents, but couldn't.....
student > Would it serve him to know this...I do not want to cause him any grief, since his father is dead now.
Zebra_aka_Z > ....I'M SORRY. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?
student > Do I tell my dad that his father molested me as a small child....would it serve him to know this since his father is dead, ...I only know that it would explain my fits as a child ...
Zebra_aka_Z > CAUTION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE IN FRONT OF MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MISUSE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT...
student > So it would be used to bias their relnships to me hereafter? Or would their advice be misleading?
Zebra_aka_Z > WELL,... HAVE YOU ALWAYS KNOWN THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED?
student > I know that I had sexual responses at about 5 years. I know that my step grandmother talked to me in my sleep......and that I got really weird inside when I visited them on my own for several weeks at that age.....
Zebra_aka_Z > UNFORTUNATELY,... SOME FOLKS CAN SEE INTO YOU AND IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN,...THEN THIS COULD BE A WEAKNESS THAT SOME MAY USE...GET MY MEANING?
student > yes...it could be used as a hammer when my defenses are down...or better to say when I am open ...
Zebra_aka_Z > RIGHT....
student > I have done that myself all my life....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...STILL WANT TO CONTINUE?
student > yep
Zebra_aka_Z > HOW HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN YOUR LIFE?
student > I am shaking...........
student > I get to having an open talk or love relnship with another and then I zing them, and I see them hurt...even did this with Ram. That was a real killer...
student > I just want to stop it, but have not gotten to the roots........
1-16-2002 ? JZ Chat Transcript Page 2 of 3 5
student > Some part of my mind is warped and I do not feel that I can be in an open relnship with anyone...it has always been about sex and co-survival.. knew that I could not raise children too....
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT,.....DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE..?
student > yes
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT ,....DO YOU KNOW AND REMEMBER THE ACTUAL SEXUAL ABUSE AS A YOUNG PERSON?
student > no.I just have flashes of strange things, afterwards........and hiding myself away
Zebra_aka_Z > LIKE WHAT?
student > One time I was on a walk with my grandfather and either he or another gentleman had a walking cane.. I have no memory of anything but this deserted cane afterwards...but I know that something happened.. and I have always been a come on when I thought that I was being nice to people.....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...DO YOU OR DON'T YOU HAVE A MEMORY OF ACTUAL SEXUAL ABUSE WITH YOUR GRANDFATHER?
student > no I do not.
Zebra_aka_Z > THEN, MY ADVICE IS NOT TO TALK TO YOUR FATHER JUST YET......BUT, YOU TALKING ABOUT IT MEANS THAT THE BOIL IS READY TO BURST AND PERHAPS IT IS TIME...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
student > Yes. thanks...........
SIGNS OF SUCH AND THEN LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT THE SOUL'S CULTURE IS UP TO ...WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS?
student > the cultural warning signs first.....
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT,.... KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE KUNDALINI MOVING DOWNWARD IN CHILDREN.....LIKE RAM TAUGHT US,...ITS MANIFESTATION IN CHILDREN VARIES WITH AGE... FOR EXAMPLE, THE KUNDALINI WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRST SEAL
Zebra_aka_Z > IN A FIVE-YEAR OLD...AT THAT AGE THE KUNDALINI IS IN THE 5TH AND 4TH SEALS....SO, IN OUR CULTURE, MEDICAL SCIENCE KNOWS THAT YOUNG CHILDREN
Zebra_aka_Z > ARE NOT SEXUALLY PRONE BUT NONETHELESS CURIOUS...MEANING THAT CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE THE ACTIVE HORMONES, SAY, THEY WOULD HAVE IN THE ONSLAUGHT OF PUBERTY.
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student> Z. I woke up yesterday with the urge to tell my father that his father and 2nd wife used hypnosis on me as a child and molested me. I developed sexual neuronets by the age of 5, and used to have fits trying to explain it to my parents, but couldn't.....
student > Would it serve him to know this...I do not want to cause him any grief, since his father is dead now.
Zebra_aka_Z > ....I'M SORRY. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?
student > Do I tell my dad that his father molested me as a small child....would it serve him to know this since his father is dead, ...I only know that it would explain my fits as a child ...
Zebra_aka_Z > CAUTION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE IN FRONT OF MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MISUSE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT...
student > So it would be used to bias their relnships to me hereafter? Or would their advice be misleading?
Zebra_aka_Z > WELL,... HAVE YOU ALWAYS KNOWN THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED?
student > I know that I had sexual responses at about 5 years. I know that my step grandmother talked to me in my sleep......and that I got really weird inside when I visited them on my own for several weeks at that age.....
Zebra_aka_Z > UNFORTUNATELY,... SOME FOLKS CAN SEE INTO YOU AND IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THE TRUTH TO BE
KNOWN,...THEN THIS COULD BE A WEAKNESS THAT SOME MAY USE...GET MY MEANING?
student > yes...it could be used as a hammer when my defenses are down...or better to say when I am open ...
Zebra_aka_Z > RIGHT....
student > I have done that myself all my life....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...STILL WANT TO CONTINUE?
student > yep
Zebra_aka_Z > HOW HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN YOUR LIFE?
student > I am shaking...........
student > I get to having an open talk or love relnship with another and then I zing them, and I see them hurt...even did this with Ram. That was a real killer...
student > I just want to stop it, but have not gotten to the roots........
1-16-2002 ? JZ Chat Transcript Page 2 of 3 5
student >student> Z. I woke up yesterday with the urge to tell my father that his father and 2nd wife used hypnosis on me as a child and molested me. I developed sexual neuronets by the age of 5, and used to have fits trying to explain it to my parents, but couldn't.....
student > Would it serve him to know this...I do not want to cause him any grief, since his father is dead now.
Zebra_aka_Z > ....I'M SORRY. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?
student > Do I tell my dad that his father molested me as a small child....would it serve him to know this since his father is dead, ...I only know that it would explain my fits as a child ...
Zebra_aka_Z > CAUTION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE IN FRONT OF MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MISUSE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT...
student > So it would be used to bias their relnships to me hereafter? Or would their advice be misleading?
Zebra_aka_Z > WELL,... HAVE YOU ALWAYS KNOWN THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED?
student > I know that I had sexual responses at about 5 years. I know that my step grandmother talked to me in my sleep......and that I got really weird inside when I visited them on my own for several weeks at that age.....
Zebra_aka_Z > UNFORTUNATELY,... SOME FOLKS CAN SEE INTO YOU AND IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN,...THEN THIS COULD BE A WEAKNESS THAT SOME MAY USE...GET MY MEANING?
student > yes...it could be used as a hammer when my defenses are down...or better to say when I am open ...
Zebra_aka_Z > RIGHT....
student > I have done that myself all my life....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...STILL WANT TO CONTINUE?
student > yep
Zebra_aka_Z > HOW HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN YOUR LIFE?
student > I am shaking...........
student > I get to having an open talk or love relnship with another and then I zing them, and I see them hurt...even did this with Ram. That was a real killer...
student > I just want to stop it, but have not gotten to the roots........
1-16-2002 ? JZ Chat Transcript Page 2 of 3 5
student > Some part of my mind is warped and I do not feel that I can be in an open relnship with anyone...it has always been about sex and co-survival.. knew that I could not raise children too....
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT,.....DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE..?
student > yes
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT ,....DO YOU KNOW AND REMEMBER THE ACTUAL SEXUAL ABUSE AS A YOUNG PERSON?
student > no.I just have flashes of strange things, afterwards........and hiding myself away
Zebra_aka_Z > LIKE WHAT?
student > One time I was on a walk with my grandfather and either he or another gentleman had a walking cane.. I have no memory of anything but this deserted cane afterwards...but I know that something happened.. and I have always been a come on when I thought that I was being nice to people.....
Zebra_aka_Z > SO,...DO YOU OR DON'T YOU HAVE A MEMORY OF ACTUAL SEXUAL ABUSE WITH YOUR GRANDFATHER?
student > no I do not.
Zebra_aka_Z > THEN, MY ADVICE IS NOT TO TALK TO YOUR FATHER JUST YET......BUT, YOU TALKING ABOUT IT MEANS THAT THE BOIL IS READY TO BURST AND PERHAPS IT IS TIME...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
student > Yes. thanks...........
SIGNS OF SUCH AND THEN LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT THE SOUL'S CULTURE IS UP TO ...WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS?
student > the cultural warning signs first.....
Zebra_aka_Z > ALL RIGHT,.... KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE KUNDALINI MOVING DOWNWARD IN CHILDREN.....LIKE RAM TAUGHT US,...ITS MANIFESTATION IN CHILDREN VARIES WITH AGE... FOR EXAMPLE, THE KUNDALINI WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRST SEAL
Zebra_aka_Z > IN A FIVE-YEAR OLD...AT THAT AGE THE KUNDALINI IS IN THE 5TH AND 4TH SEALS....SO, IN OUR CULTURE, MEDICAL SCIENCE KNOWS THAT YOUNG CHILDREN
Zebra_aka_Z > ARE NOT SEXUALLY PRONE BUT NONETHELESS CURIOUS...MEANING THAT CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE THE ACTIVE HORMONES, SAY, THEY WOULD HAVE IN THE ONSLAUGHT OF PUBERTY.