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Since JZ is Promoting Gambling and everyone from the Ranch are going on a field Trips to Casinos near them. I thought I would share this story.

http://www.rse-newsletter.com/2013/02/a ... o-winners/


Robert Jones; The Biggest Loser a Casino Ever Saw
Three years ago while at a friend’s party I met a couple that had just moved from Washington State to here in Vegas, since they were my friend’s friends we also became friends. This is how this story started, at the party they had mentioned what they did for living in Washington, it stayed in the back of my mind After meeting them a few more times one night they asked us where did we live in Washington? When and Why we moved there?. My wife and I started to explain that we had kind been in a Cult located in Yelm. They started laughing and told us they knew someone from someone from RSE ,and they proceed to tell us all about this person. You see my friends were dealers in a Casino somewhere outside of Tacoma. Yes they were talking about Sir Robert, telling us that he was the Biggest Loser the Casino ever had, he did not know anything about gambling that he was trying to focus on the cards while playing Poker making the most stupid calls, he was known by every regular Gambler there as the LOSER, everyone wanted him at their Poker table, the same with Blackjack, he would lose thousands thousands of dollars on any given day, my friends were Dealers for over 20 years and never had seen a loser of that caliber .They asked us what he did for living to be able to support his losing habits, I told then that everyone thought he was winning at Gambling using Knowledge thought at RSE, they practically fell on the floor laughing. So that bring up this question. Where did Sir Robert gets his Money? Few years back Friends from Yelm (still in the school) came to visit us and told me that Sir Robert was one of the biggest tournament winner here, that the Casino would send the Jet to pick him up. Vegas Casinos have a lot of small tournaments, after they left I looked everywhere if he was a Known Gambler by the Casinos here, I could not find anything on him, I did find something on James Flick.

Now You Know The Rest Of The Story

Robair

Oh my! That link you posted to the RSE newsletter highlighting GAMBLING winners. WHAT?! Winning a few hundred dollars at a slot machine now qualifies as a manifestation?

So be it...

It is odd that on one hand Ramsters freak out about sovereignty, about how they have to have underground shelters in secret locations, have to have a secret food hoard and a secret stash of silver coins tbey plundered tbeir pension funds to have.

On the otber hand the same Ramster hypochondriacs are willing to have their mug shots along with information about casino winngs plastered on a public web site that has allowed them to be forever indexed into Google's elephantine memory!

Cognative dissonance? Shows that wanting to crow about winning trumps doomsday prepper worries!

Great, another addictive discapline to pass onto struggling students. I remember the talks against gambling. How a master never gambles. " If you gamble, you have already lost", that was a direct quote from Jzr.

http://www.rse-newsletter.com/2013/03/r ... um=twitter

RSE is boasting about running this ad today in newspapers. Was admittedly surprising to have a version of this ad popup when trying to look over The Olympian today.

Of course, running an ad is just a matter of paying the $, not that big of a deal, and these are not necessarily the "prominent" newspapers as they claim.

Plus RSE claims here that their b.s. can help heal strokes and potential cancer.

We need to start advertising in the same paper for EMF, just to keep the playing field even for people who don't know what and who rse really is. This is the epitome of false advertising. What about the thousands of others who will and have spent their life savings on a degenerate gambling addiction that jz says will make you rich, and they gloss over the fact that the couple who won the $50,000 spent $100,000 or more to win it, and will go on to lose much much more. This makes me angry. These people claiming how rse focus healed them, PROVE IT..........such horseshit..............its easy to say something when you have a stake in the words effect, like the high school gossip ridden chest puffing atmosphere that is the inner circle of rse, where people will say anything if they thought it may gain them one iota of favor in the eyes of their master jz. These people couldn't heal a cold, and they are advertising to the most fragile among us, the terminally ill, who have sought out every known modern medical procedure for their illness, to no avail, and here is this group claiming to not only be able to heal you, but they'll make you rich in the process, almost any hopeless person in this condition will reach out to the 'sounds too good to be true' option, once they have exhausted all the rational ones. How low and sickening, to appeal to the most desperate and damaged amongst us, not to heal them, but to take them for every penny that JZ Knight can, man this pisses me off. This is low JZ, even for you. You know exactly what you are doing, a desperate person is easier to suck into your evil empire than one who doesn't need anything you falsely and callously offer. We will make sure that the people you are trying to ensnare are educated about you, so they don't go blindly unaware into your clutches.

FMS,

I understand your feelings. Once conned, every instance of seeing it happen to others brings to the surface justifiable feelings.

JZ's methods are so typical of mediums, faith healers, con artists, financial scammers etc....

Simply, she and they all exploit human nature. In a way it is a spiritual cannibalism and they are the ones feasting.

When given a choice the majority of people will opt to focus on the positive and either delete or diminish the negative. It happens in science, pharmaceutical industries, law and just about any other sub society within our own. Not for necessarily nefarious purposes as it is in the con or R$e.

One focuses on the hits, not the misses. After an experience of getting taken by this sort of methodology one becomes a bit more sensitive and can begin to understand it is not what one hears or sees or feels, but what is missing that needs to be paid attention to.

Ironically, making the unknown, known.

Human nature, we all experience it on a daily basis. We go to yard sales, we get a great deal, we relate what a great deal we got to our friends but we never speak of all the times we overpaid or ended up with something we really didn't need. and on and on it goes.

RSE takes this, amplifies it to a deafening roar DELIBERATLY and then keeps those involved in the loop by the exploitation of their own human nature, that is why I said cannibalism.

This will end up to be her own undoing in the same way that the feeding of other animal parts to cattle led to mad cow disease.

Interesting point brought up by a poster

http://olyblog.net/ridiculous-ad-Ramtha-olympian

Does this gambling thing ”manifest” from her former boink, the poker player? Just ” askin”.

Robert Jones was known as a "fish" in poker circles....meaning, a big donor to others.

Jame Flick has one decent year in 2006 with 1 small tournament, one medium buy in tournament,
and he paid for his 10K buy in for the WSOP Main Event with his winnings in the medium sized tournament.

He never went further with his poker other than his casual get togethers with his buddies.

Lottery winnings credit teaching from ancient warrior Ramtha http://www.king5.com/news/Lottery-winni ... 1.html?c=n

“There is a history of that organization making claims in order to bring members in,” said Breckan Scott, a lawyer who represents former students.

Scott said her clients are upset their former school has incorporated a game of chance into its marketing campaign.

“All of them would express a deep concern for the public, and a deep concern for other people that they not be deceived by this,” said Scott.

The King 5 news video is worth watching

Below is the text attached to the video clip from King 5 News, entitled, "Lottery winnings credit teaching from ancient warrior Ramtha"

by DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News
Bio | Email | Follow: @Drewmikk

Posted on March 26, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Updated today at 7:00 PM

YELM, Wash. - Clare Wade was so confident she had the winning numbers, she bought two lottery tickets.

She was right. She and her daughter Barbara split two $10,000 jackpots in a Match 4 game in January.

But don’t call them lucky.

“We have been taught by our master teacher our thoughts create our reality,” said Barbara Wade, who credits the teachings at Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment in Yelm for her winnings.

Since 1988 students have come to Yelm from around the world to learn the teachings of an ancient man named Ramtha.

JZ Knight, the school’s founder, claims to channel the warrior from Atlantis.

The school markets itself as a place where students learn to use their minds to create their own realities.

Within the last year the school incorporated picking lottery numbers into the lessons. And the school claims it has paid off.

A spokesperson said nine of the 2000 students have won lottery jackpots totaling $120,000 since last October.

That’s not counting the winnings at local casinos.

“This is not wishing, this is not gambling, it has nothing to do with faith,” said Steve Klein, the school’s Event Services Manager.

“It’s an evolution of the teachings that have been going on for 25 years,” said Klein.

A state lottery official said there’s no proof Ramtha students have any better odds than others.
The school and its methods have always had its critics.

“There is a history of that organization making claims in order to bring members in,” said Breckan Scott, a lawyer who represents former students.

Scott said her clients are upset their former school has incorporated a game of chance into its marketing campaign.

“All of them would express a deep concern for the public, and a deep concern for other people that they not be deceived by this,” said Scott.

JZ Knight was not available for comment for this story.

Lottery winnings credit teaching from ancient warrior Ramtha | KING5.com Seattle
http://www.king5.com/news/Lottery-winni ... 1.html?c=n

Saying you won money gambling means nothing. What are your net winnings?

These allegations of 'winning the lottery because of what people learn at rse' are no different than all the other outlandish, dishonest tactics jz has to resort to because there is no verifiable EVIDENCE, or CORROBORATION of anything astonishing or extraordinary EVER happening at rse, or to anyone who has attended and applied jz's 'teachings'. The only people that espouse success there are either exaggerating, seeking jz's and other's validation, outright lying, or their 'success' was preordained.
JZ Knight and her band of coconspirators must employ this approach, as the aftermath of her 'teachings' leave her students suffering the consequences of their application for LIFE, and the list of these consequences outnumber their absurd claims unequivocally, while her 'results' are complete fabrication and propaganda.

EVERY COIN WILL EVENTUALLY LAND ON HEADS, and I'm sure she will take credit for that too...............................

It is pretty easy to see that RSE's winning the lottery scenario doesn't scale. Suppose the RSE advertising is really effective and then thousands upon thousands of people sign up as RSE students to learn the copyrighted technique for picking winning lottery numbers. All those thousands and thousands of students are all going to pick winning lottery numbers. The result is that the lottery pay-out is then divided among those thousands and thousands of winners. Don't forget that the lottery commission and merchants get their cut of the action (win or lose, so who are the enlightened ones?). After the men and women in the middle get their cut, the pay-out is reduced by their share, which means you'll spend a buck to get an enlightened (as in monetarily enlightened) fifty cents back. ... but you'll feel so good doing it! Nudge, nudge, know what I mean.

Lottery is socially retrograde behavior, just pushing money around and not creating any new wealth. Why not use that RSE enlightenment to found a business that creates some irresistible gadget that everybody loves and needs? With such enlightenment abounding, it ought to be easy to manifest the flawless business plan. This really is creating something where nothing was before and it reinforces the social fabric rather than merely stretching the fabric thin as does the lottery.

As Caterpillar posted on her thread.

RSE has been placing full-page newspaper ads in the NVN & The Olympian about their recent Lotto winners.
JZ Rose also sells Lotto
http://www.ramtha.com/Docs/Lottery_Winners_NVNad.jpg .

follow the money

The point is that RSE is selling luck instead of creativity. There is a fixed supply of luck to be divided among however many lucky people the are. The larger the number of lucky people there are, the less per capita luck there is to around. Creativity on the other hand is limitless.

Of course with the newspaper ads, RSE is looking to snag suckers that are desperate, in need of money, hoping they'll hit the lottery. These are the unfortunate people least able to afford expensive RSE courses that probably won't help them anyway.

freemysoul: I like where your head is at. Very nice post!

What about healing? Or remarkable changes in a persons life? Happiness and joy? As well as the "creatures that hang from the wires and doors around places of entertainment waiting to fall/jump on you"? Masters huh? Do they win enough for the privilege of listening to a drunken old woman talk about her issues?

It's all such a scam.

Isn't the Ram i knew? Uh huh, and what Ram is that?

The "teachings" are not original but written of by Vera Stanley Alder. I wondered how JZ came up with name, Ramtha until today i found, "Revelations of Ramala."

Nine RSE class-takers got a total pay out of $120,000 USD from the lottery. That is more or less an average of $13,000 for each of those nine. That is about enough to pay for a year of RSE classes for each of the nine and their partners. Yawn. I guess they are being modest and not manifesting too much.

If there are a few hundred to a few thousand other RSE class-takers also wagering on the lottery, then the winnings of the nine do not seen out of line as would result from chance for a group of say 1,000 people wagering on the lottery. It depends on the game, but I believe the Lottery is designed to pay back about half of the revenue it collects from the wagers. If the group of 1,000 bet $250 each, then the pay out back to the group should be $125,000. Of course RSE doesn't bother to say what was the total amount wagered, so there is no way to evaluate if the pay-out is any more generous than sheer chance. I doubt that the Ramsters bothered to keep track of their total dollars wagered anyway; if they did, the statistics would probobly be too disappointing.

From someone that's gambled they aren't telling you how much it cost em to "win" that $$$. :)

Yes, i agree it certainly is sad to think of people signing up to learn how to win at gambling. There's only one winner.....it's the cat on the throne. On my, students are cat food? It better be 9 lives.