My Last Event: Joe D
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:28 pm
I want to talk about my last RSE event. It was a non-mandatory event in November of 2005. I traveled to go to this event because it was, as many of the events are, highly touted as important because it was Ramtha's event. Gosh, don't want to miss that one ! (sigh)
I sat in the front, and what I witnessed - a complete character assassination of Dr. Joe, was one of the major factors in that event being my last event. It was the icing on the cake. Why ?
At the time, rumors were spreading through the school about a rift between JZ and Joe. He was being criticized for something that JZ herself has done; he had a media article where he didn't specifically give credit to Ramtha as his teacher. IN MY OPINION, this is ridiculous, when JZ herself was on Larry King Live and never mentioned Ramtha as the source of her spiritual knowledge. Further, Joe did backtrack and correct his situation. At that point, one would expect, both parties would have moved on. No, no.
Joe wrote a book, (competition for JZ) that contained content beyond the scope of RSE's teachings. He was doing his own thing, but it was viewed by JZ as competition and she sent out a letter telling staff what to say to students about it. I think we posted that on the old EMF site. If not, we do have a copy. Joe was cited as being against RSE and it was necessary for her to take the action of dismissing him as a teacher. Later on, all of a sudden, the Gag Order appeared without notice, at an event with new and longtime students. The Gag Order (Conditions of Participation) restricts students so severely, that not only would they be unable to write their own book (ahem!), they can't even talk about dreams they have in which they experience Ramtha. My understanding is that Joe refused to sign the document and was promptly kicked out of RSE. In my opinion he did the right thing and I'm sure it took a lot of courage, because like many of us, we loved our teacher and the teachings.
JZ has a track record that speaks for her. Many people who get close to her, be they staff or otherwise, end up departing. Long time students have watched this happen for years. Nobody has been allowed to shine a light brighter than hers, without ending up out the door. A painful realization that we are not encouraged to shine brightly in our own right. There are lots of spiritual teachers on this planet, but none may come from RSE teachings at all, because she IS The Show there. White Wind Weaver had a pre-existing teaching she did, joined RSE and suddenly was accused of forgery. That's one example - and WWWeaver is being dragged into court.
In those latter years, as the teachings/teacher deteriorated into highly abusive talk and actions, drunkness, etc., it was time to leave. However, many of us felt a sense of loyalty to the teacher. Perhaps a very misplaced sense of loyalty, but it was there, nevertheless. Why ? Due to special experiences that we had with "him" . So, when JZ's actions were less than stellar, much would get swept under the rug.
So what of this sense of loyalty ?
At what point does a student or ex-student say, enough is enough ? When does a person say that if Ramtha is real, that we have the right to stand toe to toe with "him" and cite a wrongdoing and stand up for ourselves ???? If someone does something nice for you, even something you have deep gratititude for, and then goes forward doing many wrongdoings, does one overlook them because of the "good" ? No.
Now, I am saying that only to make a point, because there are ex-students who believe Ramtha is real, for their own reasons, even if they believe JZ is messed up. Allowing the wrongdoing, is wrong. I've watched this pattern for many years, myself.
I watched, at that November 2005 event, when "Ramtha" acted like a toddler having a temper tantrum, SCREAMING out Joe's name, and saying *uck him, to the entire audience, repeatedly for a long time. It was like he was inciting a riot. He talked about Joe negatively and then, went into this chant, flipping him off with both fingers and screaming this nonsense. When he finally stopped, he said to the audience (LOUDLY), "So what do YOU say ?"
Many, many in the audience, I would say at least 90%, screamed back, mimicking Ramtha, flipping Joe off and yelling *uck you. I didn't. I sat there and watched in disgust.
Now, make no mistake. I know Joe only has a casual acquaintance. If he saw me, he would immediately recognize me. We chatted a little bit a few times about science. I wasn't much into any social scene at RSE. I was there for the teachings and then I went home (far away). Period. But, what I witnessed that night, was a thinly veiled method of turning the students against Joe. Being as compliant as many of them are, like puppets, I would fully expect that they wouldn't dare be seen with Joe after that evening. Just like what happened with Audrey. She was accused of cheating at a discipline, and it really rattled the school. Students were divided amongst themselves into two camps; those that believed Audrey, who said she did NOT cheat (later she confessed after JZ made her an offer-deal....hmmm..), and those who felt she was being ousted because the teachings were going more global in the marketing strategy, and the focus was more on JZ as "Magic Number One" student, so it wasn't prudent to have Audrey in any limelight anymore. So much for conflict resolution !
An ex-students loyalty to Ramtha, if they believe there is, or was, a Ramtha, should not, in my opinion, ever outweigh upholding integrity for what's right - and for what's not. For the sake of argument I will say something that I've said before and again, this is my opinion (to each their own). If Ramtha allows these behaviors to go on, when he has expressed strong opinions about many other things in the school, about students, about the world and humanity, then it is only intentional that he would allow JZ to act like a sociopathic guru. NO student should allow that. If they are in a position to shine light to expose her shenanigans, they have a moral obligation to do so. Ramtha can either support that stand for integrity and nobility, or sit down and shut up.
No fear. No need for fear. We need to take a stand for ourselves and not be mistreated, or wrongfully treated.
I sat in the front, and what I witnessed - a complete character assassination of Dr. Joe, was one of the major factors in that event being my last event. It was the icing on the cake. Why ?
At the time, rumors were spreading through the school about a rift between JZ and Joe. He was being criticized for something that JZ herself has done; he had a media article where he didn't specifically give credit to Ramtha as his teacher. IN MY OPINION, this is ridiculous, when JZ herself was on Larry King Live and never mentioned Ramtha as the source of her spiritual knowledge. Further, Joe did backtrack and correct his situation. At that point, one would expect, both parties would have moved on. No, no.
Joe wrote a book, (competition for JZ) that contained content beyond the scope of RSE's teachings. He was doing his own thing, but it was viewed by JZ as competition and she sent out a letter telling staff what to say to students about it. I think we posted that on the old EMF site. If not, we do have a copy. Joe was cited as being against RSE and it was necessary for her to take the action of dismissing him as a teacher. Later on, all of a sudden, the Gag Order appeared without notice, at an event with new and longtime students. The Gag Order (Conditions of Participation) restricts students so severely, that not only would they be unable to write their own book (ahem!), they can't even talk about dreams they have in which they experience Ramtha. My understanding is that Joe refused to sign the document and was promptly kicked out of RSE. In my opinion he did the right thing and I'm sure it took a lot of courage, because like many of us, we loved our teacher and the teachings.
JZ has a track record that speaks for her. Many people who get close to her, be they staff or otherwise, end up departing. Long time students have watched this happen for years. Nobody has been allowed to shine a light brighter than hers, without ending up out the door. A painful realization that we are not encouraged to shine brightly in our own right. There are lots of spiritual teachers on this planet, but none may come from RSE teachings at all, because she IS The Show there. White Wind Weaver had a pre-existing teaching she did, joined RSE and suddenly was accused of forgery. That's one example - and WWWeaver is being dragged into court.
In those latter years, as the teachings/teacher deteriorated into highly abusive talk and actions, drunkness, etc., it was time to leave. However, many of us felt a sense of loyalty to the teacher. Perhaps a very misplaced sense of loyalty, but it was there, nevertheless. Why ? Due to special experiences that we had with "him" . So, when JZ's actions were less than stellar, much would get swept under the rug.
So what of this sense of loyalty ?
At what point does a student or ex-student say, enough is enough ? When does a person say that if Ramtha is real, that we have the right to stand toe to toe with "him" and cite a wrongdoing and stand up for ourselves ???? If someone does something nice for you, even something you have deep gratititude for, and then goes forward doing many wrongdoings, does one overlook them because of the "good" ? No.
Now, I am saying that only to make a point, because there are ex-students who believe Ramtha is real, for their own reasons, even if they believe JZ is messed up. Allowing the wrongdoing, is wrong. I've watched this pattern for many years, myself.
I watched, at that November 2005 event, when "Ramtha" acted like a toddler having a temper tantrum, SCREAMING out Joe's name, and saying *uck him, to the entire audience, repeatedly for a long time. It was like he was inciting a riot. He talked about Joe negatively and then, went into this chant, flipping him off with both fingers and screaming this nonsense. When he finally stopped, he said to the audience (LOUDLY), "So what do YOU say ?"
Many, many in the audience, I would say at least 90%, screamed back, mimicking Ramtha, flipping Joe off and yelling *uck you. I didn't. I sat there and watched in disgust.
Now, make no mistake. I know Joe only has a casual acquaintance. If he saw me, he would immediately recognize me. We chatted a little bit a few times about science. I wasn't much into any social scene at RSE. I was there for the teachings and then I went home (far away). Period. But, what I witnessed that night, was a thinly veiled method of turning the students against Joe. Being as compliant as many of them are, like puppets, I would fully expect that they wouldn't dare be seen with Joe after that evening. Just like what happened with Audrey. She was accused of cheating at a discipline, and it really rattled the school. Students were divided amongst themselves into two camps; those that believed Audrey, who said she did NOT cheat (later she confessed after JZ made her an offer-deal....hmmm..), and those who felt she was being ousted because the teachings were going more global in the marketing strategy, and the focus was more on JZ as "Magic Number One" student, so it wasn't prudent to have Audrey in any limelight anymore. So much for conflict resolution !
An ex-students loyalty to Ramtha, if they believe there is, or was, a Ramtha, should not, in my opinion, ever outweigh upholding integrity for what's right - and for what's not. For the sake of argument I will say something that I've said before and again, this is my opinion (to each their own). If Ramtha allows these behaviors to go on, when he has expressed strong opinions about many other things in the school, about students, about the world and humanity, then it is only intentional that he would allow JZ to act like a sociopathic guru. NO student should allow that. If they are in a position to shine light to expose her shenanigans, they have a moral obligation to do so. Ramtha can either support that stand for integrity and nobility, or sit down and shut up.
No fear. No need for fear. We need to take a stand for ourselves and not be mistreated, or wrongfully treated.