The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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David, You have just clarified why i ask you to post the pm of posting rules i received from you. Because not only are you bias and critical of me in a way you would never be to the guys, they wouldn't tolerate it. But you are guilty of the very things you say RSE is. Brainwashing and abusive. EMF i...

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I am sure i have posted on seeing the news paper article pinned on wall in corridor to bathrooms. And it didn't set well with me at all. Because i was hearing two different stories/things.

1, Ramtha's love for us and his mission to teach us.

2. JZ being exalted as a successful business woman.

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Whoa David. I reread your questions for clarification. unless i misread/misunderstood ...when have i EVER said there isn't brainwashing? My stance has been that at first there's an inner voice/alarm. And at THAT point people have a choice to listen-or not. If they consistently dismiss it ....they ar...

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This is something that might help clarify. What i saw reminded me of a litter of puppies all crawling over each other to get to the milk. Ramtha. It's crude. But accurate. And it's what confused me-greatly at that time. Because it's contradictory to "God within" and "you are gods"...

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I am not sure i understand the question you are asking about the teachings being/not being abusive. The events i attended no one was beat on-beat up by Ramtha. (i am using words that identify) It was NOT like that. I heard things but it was always second hand-rumor. :roll: and something that was all...

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David,

I ask you to post it because i couldn't agree more.

Thank You

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Students had a relationship with Ramtha i didn't have. Or understand. Ramtha seemed to be what was important to them. I am trying hard to find the right words to paint a picture . Example. I didn't see or hear students celebrate something in their life or them self they had conquered. At that time a...

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David, I just read a pm from you. For the sake of discussion i am asking you to post it please on this thread. discussion. In response to the questions in that pm. I was in Yelm only months. Because i couldn't handle the lack of character and dog eat dog of RSE community. I wasn't there to party.If ...

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Journey, First question: Do you mind if i address you as Journey rather than full EMF name? Your rules are reasonable and acceptable to me. My Rules. 1. Please do not talk down to me. 2. When you don't agree with something i say please don't assume and proceed from a position that i am automatically...

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Journey,

I am asking you a question. What is your interest-intent in a dialogue? Is it because you are honestly interested in something i have said or is it because you think i need to have my thinking corrected? Straightened out?

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If people want to consult with others on what they should or should not think-it's their business. How a person lives their life-is their business. I have thrown out things to people coming out of betrayal, deception. That have "given their power away" (RSE speak but at least a mutual poin...

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Journey, Ockham, spectators and anyone watching this :D Brainwashing to ME is when something someone knows something to be real and is told it it isn't. Isn't real. That they are somehow mistaken in their comprehension. And then their "reality" is replaced with something else. I have been ...

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There is no one size fits all. In reference to black/white vs shades. As a matter of fact isn't that what contention is all about on planet earth? People not respecting/allowing others to think/believe differently? Who and what sets the standard for the right or wrong way to think or believe? A pers...

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I need to clarify the doctor was a female. It was a friendship.

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Journey,

You made the the statement that

without inclusion.....

I responded with inclusion.

P.S. I read the word nefarious some place. You are saying i am wicked?

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Journey, The difference between unfaithful and faithful (to ones self) is conformity. In other words go along to get along? With someone or something because it's acceptable to the majority???? Or to avoid friction? There's a LOT of misconceptions coming from assumptions. From people having differen...

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David,

Look again. Yes it is said.

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Journey, I agree, you did not ask questions. You launched an attack and made accusations. Made statements. Without knowing from what i speak? Is that kind or fair? Do you assume that because you have confidence and experience and can handle yourself in a given situation that others, more specificall...

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Journey,

I am not the only one with condensed posts

Where did i say that ultimately

i am the only one i can trust?

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I will investigate thoroughly. Considering the source is a responsibility and necessary in terms of accuracy and reliable information.

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Journey,

Everything is energy and that's all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be no other way. This is not philosophy. This is physics.

-Albert Einstein

Is this what you mean by

pseudo science?

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Journey,

Dictionary.com

2. To be unfaithful in guarding, maintaining or fulfilling...

exactly as i used and meant it.

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Journey, Appreciate the input. Had to read it several times to understand and not sure i do. What is apparent though is different points of reference always creates questions and/or misunderstandings. However, questions are healthy and i will respond. Actually, i did forget about "all eggs in o...

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Anne Marie was married to Robert Prescott, Flying Tigers. JZ had had some big time connections. I recall Anne Marie from dialogue video and recall JZ saying Anne was her "best friend". However, it seems to me i read something about Anne Marie siding with Jeff Knight? And that she left RSE ...

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Ockham,

JZ was living in a mobile home? Wasn't she married to a dentist at the time?
Do you know how she met Annmarie ?

What do you mean 3 different dates?

I do not believe for a minute any "enlightened" being would be part of any type of fraud.

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Not sure this goes here David .

Annmarie Bennstrom in Joe Sz post? Is on YouTube being interviewed by Monique Guild.

Annmarie Bennstrom was in an orphanage from infant to 11-12? years old.

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It's like being in a jury room and going over evidence in an attempt to understand something. Reach a verdict. The first time JZ opened her mouth it was about the difficulty of her life. It was a red flag. The confusion/question is how can she JZ live and be so contrary to the teachings. That's of c...

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Porn pop up again. I blocked it. Hopefully it's resolved.

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I posted about the woman that was shot because i was thinking about the people that made RSE their life. That woman ...her whole life was her family and church. Being a "good" person. How would anyone come to terms with it? Her own kids support the man that...? This isn't a random or mispl...

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Forgot to add that the kids refused to believe their father was guilty. Stood by him through the trial. Irrefutable evidence. The woman had been shot in the head. Lost an eye. Husband having affair. Hired hit. And the kids stood by dad-not mom. Go figure? Mom was a christian woman. Kind, caring and ...

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The entire of RSE (in my day) wasn't about believing in Ramtha. It was about believing in ones own self. Learning how to do things. Uncover and utilize latent capabilities. Learning about "image". The pit falls, snags and snares. It was seeing those very things in JZ that....red flag. The ...

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At the end of the day we are all responsible for self. There's a difference between blame and personal responsibility-self betrayal. Isn't a matter of blame. Self betrayal is when a person makes the choice to allow them self to be treated in a degrading way. For any reason. Cigarettes don't kill an...

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Hmm, sexy bugs bunny. Interesting.

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After the porn popped up and i quick got rid of it-few hours later my computer let out a shrill beep beep beep that wouldn't stop. There was an ad for Norton-saying a "possible threat" had been detected. And another window with telephone number saying to call immediately. I couldn't close ...

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yep. and how much more energy did we all have 20 years ago? Takes as much energy as it does money to fight. And yes, talk about channeling and a 35,000 year old from Atlantis- :roll: and your mental health records (if any) are subpoenaed. History of plaintiff is always on trial. Burden of proof. And...

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My thoughts exactly on fund raising. Regarding the illusion of "justice and liberty for all". The sentence wasn't finished. It's justice and liberty for all-that have money. Every institutions first priority is to protect itself. By institution i mean company, corporation. Altruism, honor ...

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When i was in the coma there was mental activity. I was "aware", thinking, processing and "realizing" things in and about myself and my life. What mattered was having another day. another chance at life. I didn't know i had been in a coma. I was on a ventilator and all kinds of t...

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Yes, i have gone through it. I am well aware of the toll it takes. I am less than a year out from my lawsuit. Nightmare? I know. It about did me in. Justice? Ha! On what planet? The name of the game is $$$$$$$$. At a different time i "believed" in good/bad, right/wrong. And thought i knew ...

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David,

It looks by all appearance you have a case against the attorney.

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On first try porn came up. Second try-no porn. Yes, few weeks ago i ran virus search etc. Unfortunately there's unscrupulous people trying to con/scam people out of money by telling them they going to cancel their window license and they will have to buy a new computer unless they pay $65. It happen...

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David,

Porn is coming up on EMF under post reply.

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YouTube free. Quantum mechanics by credible source.

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The amount of Love, Respect, Support and Compassion i receive from others is in direct proportion to how much of the same -i have for myself. I will never let myself down, treat myself like a doormat, or make myself small so others can feel big. P.S. Try it out at home first. Live by this and there ...

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David, I emailed you on this subject presenting these thoughts clearly with no room for misunderstanding. With no thought of Joe at ALL in what i said. How it could be misconstrued....? Nor is it a question of "faith". Is or isn't ancient and current religion based on channeled information...

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Oh No-misunderstanding. I couldn't care less what religion anyone subscribes to. It's their business-not mine. That wasn't aimed at Joe specifically. It's in reference to the basis of EMF -of which i am a part-being unaware that we attack and criticize as fraudulent-we actually practice and believe ...

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I posted this once but for some reason it didn't post. How can we attack someone like Jz Knight as a fraud and greedy power hungry sociopath (true) and ignore biblical cult activity. Also the result of channeled information. On channeled information an army marched upon nations murdering and subduin...

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David,

Is it not appropriate to combine the 3 separate post threads?

Joe SZ post
Epiphany
All can anyone say

Put all on one so they run together?

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Thank You David,

Channeled information? Is the concept of God based on channeled information using bible as point of reference?

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Can we put these posts together. It's an epiphany. Joe posted that cult in Japan, gas attack. What came to mind is the alter incident in OT bible. People acting on orders of leader. At the order of God his leader Abraham? put his son on alter to sacrifice? Your post about your life being threatened ...

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I posted this in response to Joe SZ post, part one of two. Because it's what immediately came to mind in terms of cult behavior. Follow the leader. It has also unexpectedly occurred to me that "channeling" is as old as the garden of Eden. From the beginning of time (as we know it) civiliza...

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David,

Where's your post about the people that threatened your life for criticizing Ramtha? They were dear friends of yours-not passed away?

Why was Jesus put to death?

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From a CT point of view it sure looks like cult mentality.

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Who was it in the bible that put their son on an alter-to sacrifice at the alleged instruction of "God"?

What's the origin of circumcision again?

What of all those bloody battles in old testament ordered by "God"?

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Keep It Simple Stupid. KISS A concept taught in sales. Not meant to be insulting. Humanity isn't without purpose. Individual/personal responsibility is that each person has to identify and answer the "W" questions. What am i. Why am i here. What's it all about. What's important. Where to f...

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Thanks Ockham. Not familiar with it. The most confusing thing was that having read White book, listened to tapes years before going, the theme was individuality. But when i got to RSE it isn't what i saw-or heard. It seemed to me people mimicked Ramtha. Even the laugh. Have a conversation and it was...

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Thank You. :)

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Quitting. Have tried before. This time i am going to make it.

On a roll. First Ramtha, now cigarettes and then coffee. Month from now be addiction free. :)

I can do it.

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Seriously-

What do mean "bounded choice"?

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It's a cartoon on YouTube. I don't know how to do link? Can someone put here please? It is sooooooo RSE. It's about creatures with a star on belly and others didn't have one. So they were shunned by those that do. In an attempt to be accepted an INC did well. Cartoons are wonderful for peace and lig...

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Hey Joe, I always thought everyone knew more than me. Doubted myself. It's what makes people vulnerable. I was curious but scared. I didn't follow rules. Wouldn't give up my personal space-boundaries. Got locked out and kicked out. RSE wasn't any fun. You defined it well on being responsible. Childr...

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Allow me to share this with you please. I wasn't going to post on EMF any more because i do not like conflict and friction. I was done. And then in talking to my source tonight (last nite now) And for the first time in my life instead of asking for the strength and love to help others, i ask to be s...

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Thanks for sharing David.

Ironically the teachings i used were that sliver that helped me stand up for myself. Take responsibility for myself.

Yeah i know. Unreal isn't it?

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Having called paramedics twice in one day-first time refusing to go to hospital. The 2nd time i didn't have a choice. I just wanted them to stop the bleeding. Paramedic was mad and took over. Told me i didn't have a choice i was going to hospital. Good thing-i would have bleed to death. In the ambul...

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I DO believe in cult/religion context (and domestic) people can be brainwashed and their will taken. Defeated. Absolutely. Can't say it loud enough. However-it isn't immediate. It's a process. And in that time frame they have a choice. To listen to their gut or not. And if they don't? Heaven help th...

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David, i know. Our stories are ....i admire you for being open. Takes guts. In my naivete i thought people didn't know they were hurting others. Giving what i experienced as a child it was incomprehensible to inflict pain on others. I dreamed of how to make the world a better place. When RSE came al...

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It took YEARS for me to understand i had low self esteem to begin with. And RSE?

I listened to my feelings. Sat outside during wine ceremony? Climbed the wall and left? Took my blinders off doing forest and walked in to arena. Fine-kick me out but i am not doing it.

People DO have a choice.

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Don't Give Up-beautiful.

A person has to have and believe in them self.

Ever hear the expression, "isolated unity"? It means people that think they stand alone...don't stand alone. There's others around the globe united in belief.

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I really didn't want to get into this because i don't think my opinion is taken seriously because it's different than majority. David what drew people to RSE? "Love Yourself Into Life". Validation? What has happened to us as a civilization/society that people do not go within for answers? ...

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There's no argument from me on that. It's what i am telling you. It has to start within the VICTIM. To get out. Help them self.

Did i not say that RSE isn't "the " problem but rather a symptom of our society? The problem goes MUCH deeper. It's what i have been trying to say?

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- Moderator Comment - This new thread "Domestic violence IS same as RSE?" has been split from our EMF topic thread 'pseudoscience/define' ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ockham, Surely you jest? People paid $1500 to watch Hi...

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I agree with that entirely. But it has to come from within a profession. Like the doctor in WA? get him to push it within his community.

Listen. Society SUCKS in general when it comes to "victim". Unless you have $$$$$ to hire Gloria Allred.

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Perhaps the professionals need to be educated? Seriously, what can they do? If someone is seen standing on a bridge ready to jump-suicide and be stopped they are taken into custody. mandatory 72 hr? To prevent them from harming their self. But cigarettes are legal? Where's the line David? Where's th...

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David, i uninstalled abi. That's when messages began double tripping and all i got was blanks.

The back door? It's a manual. I am not sure how i got to it. It's a URL?

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Victims usually are blamed. You know why? To make it go away rather than address an issue. I watched the LARSE on YouTube. Journey/wise?, 2007? And i was SHOCKED at the underhanded tactic and manipulation of RSE shared by wise? EMF member? (protecting names) She got out. She had a father pulling for...

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David, i can't get on EMF by clicking on it. I don't know why. It says "not available". I am through a back door that if i can find....something to think about. Return to victim topic. Love them. Give them an example of something different. Respectful/happy. Be kind and caring. Help them c...

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You said it David and that's the frustration. The victim has to Want help. I witnessed someone i love be beaten into submission by her husband. I gave her and her kids a home-repeatedly. She always went back. You know why? Because she didn't want to lose her nice furniture. So what do you do? Take t...

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I do not know you other than in relation to RSE. As a result i do not know what you have been exposed to. What your experience in life has been. If you have not dealt with the system or had conflict and adversity...my experience has been much different. So speaking from my experience i will sound cy...

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People in general are reluctant to get involved in things that require taking a stand. Across the board. In any given profession abuse and neglect is ignored. because people do not want to be sued or have to testify. On the victimization of children? What about children in a household of smokers? Ev...

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I couldn't get to the post because i had to circumvent system. The children do not have a choice. I wasn't referring to children. The adults do have a choice. As far as CPS not doing anything? It isn't just RSE. I know of unimaginable situations where CPS has "investigated" and not removed...

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Stanford is now teaching quantum mechanics on YouTube. Scanning i counted at least 25 hours-free. I have also researched what's being taught at RSE. Alice Baily is an author of many books on occult going back to 1920. Once again-writing a book and having an opinion does not make anyone an expert. In...

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Ockham,

I saw Alex Collier on YouTube and watched a presentation in which he warned the audience AGAINST Ramtha. I was surprised to then find a presentation "at the ranch".

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Joe, Cheating at anything defeats the purpose-to me. I disagree with you entirely on the cards issue. What i have said to you is; if you're going tell someone it's pseudoscience then have a logical explanation to maintain the integrity of EMF. Moreover, to take things out of context isn't honest or ...

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I still cannot get on. I had to circumvent. Yes, everyone it's me.

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Not sure where this goes. David, professionals DO care!! However, people have a choice-that's the law. I emailed this to you and i am not on this board to debate opinion. It doesn't assist regrouping. Let me give you some stats. Are you aware of domestic violence? Rape stats? Do you know we lost app...

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Ockham, RSE took a chapter from occult-the extent of it. Without someone having solid foundation to even attempt to teach such things is destined to destroy individuals who went there with their heart in hand to learn. I wasn't there physically for years like David and many others but i was hooked i...

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Joe, Ever hear of someone going to school to learn what they already know? :D I am not interested in stirring up conspiracy but i have wondered....if RSE is a research project. I had a friend in major university cussing mad because his professor was using students to do researh (computer) and then p...

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The alien thing has been ....?

Something called Wes Penres..Papers? About 300 pages of stuff on alien ..it's too much. If you get a chance check it out. Mind boggling.

What's with Canadian Defense Minister and Pope stuff?

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That's something i have never herd of. Awesome. Thanks.

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When i got the white book and later video dialogue both seemed to exude love. The Pentecostal experience left me gun shy. I was uneasy with the word God. At first RSE was a free space where someone could exhale, haul out their baggage and get the mess cleaned up. Create a new life. Ironically RSE be...

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Isn't Parson the Silver Shirt group and Hubbard the I AM?

Hubbard pursued and recruited the Silver Shirt treasurer to draw the Silver Shirt followers. Again, follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!

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In Pentecostal church i had friends, one of the few educated people in that particular church. She was a teacher and he was a salesman for Wrangler. Their home had a very nice fallout shelter. Cold war era.

Can you elaborate please on why a ug needs to be regulated or should be a concern?

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Thanks Ockham. Cynicism is the result of leaders not practicing what they preach. Sex usually is what destroys honor and credibility. It's the world we live in. How many people no longer pay attention to anything outside of their individual life? Should they? Joe posted and article with interesting ...

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Perhaps it's aliens running RSE?

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Can't imagine. It was shocking and scary enough with what i recently got off YouTube. I didn't get any of that at RSE. I was in a sliver of time that focused on quantum theory and all potentials exist simultaneously. Rocks??? I just can't imagine the trauma, fear and insanity. It was hard enough hav...

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www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13

IRAN SAYS " TALL, WHITE " SPACE ALIENS CONTROL AMERICA

There's a ton just like the ones already posted. Anyone think these sources are getting their information from RSE?

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David,

You have broached an unsettling ....i think i ask about this?

It's all frightening. People have wondered about RSE being a testing ground? Hard part is everyone pointing a finger-at someone or something else. The answer is-we don't know.

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Murky indeed. The problem is that no one knows what to believe. WHO to believe. I have stayed away from this stuff on EMF. At this point everything is speculation and suspect. When government corruption, corruption in the church, religious community has been exposed and scientific community doesn't ...

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Exopolitics.org POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS of EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE POPE FRANCIS TO ANNOUNCE EXTRATERRESTRIAL ACCORDING TO NEW BOOK written by DR Michael Salla April 1, 2013 @ 2013. Michael Salla, Ph.D What are people supposed to believe? You don't have to look far to see where RSE is getting informatio...

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POPE JOHNS DIARY REVEALS KNOWLEDGE of ALIENS (timing may be slightly off) 1999 There's a mountain of this stuff. People do not know what to make of it. Some build a ug. Others are wondering and some are not interested-period. As posted, i only learned of it few months ago. Read and watched everythi...

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YouTube

UFO EVIDENCE ufoevidence.org
Scientific Study Of The UFO Phenomenon
and Search For Extraterrestrial Life
A, Hovini, UFO universe, September 1988
THE SHOCKING TRUTH: RONALD REAGON'S OBSESSION WITH AN ALIEN INVASION.

People don't know who or what to believe.

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I have a 200 amp electrical panel. Half is being utilized.

That's how RSE is marketing the brain and human potential.

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YouTube

BREAKING!!! UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE By Canadian Minister of Defence.
May 2013

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Very interesting article. A few decades ago i called a local television company with an honest question. I wanted to know what causes the picture to appear on television screen. I was ask if my television was plugged. If it was turned on. No-that isn't what i am asking. What makes the picture appear...

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Davids experience in contrast to mine reflects and explains the 180 degree shift in teachings. Davids group was the core nucleus of school. What my group called "old timers" and advanced students. They were used to establish and implement field discipline, "prove it" . So when ne...

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Can't imagine what David is describing. We were treated with kid gloves. No more than two hours on field. Must be they lost too many people $$$ from previous group to be rough on us.

I had never thought of field work as miracle because it was explainable by pseudoscience.

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Joe, Finding the card is the result. The priority is focus . The obstacle is the steady flow of chatter in the brain. Did i remember to shut and lock door. Turn coffee pot off. Are the kids alright. Homesick. I'm sorry i was such a ......my back hurts. My feet are tired. I wish i had eaten breakfast...

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Davids group laid the ground work for group i was in. He was part of implementing field, i wasn't. It was already established. Imagine you're a new student. Never seen C&E, don't know a soul. We didn't question it because students it had already done by other students. PROVEN. So we believed it'...

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Joe, There's an entire teaching/class given prior to field. Idea is that frontal lobe is throne of God. Mind. What sits in frontal lobe through focus becomes reality. Focus on the symbol/picture on card and you will go to it-blindfolded. It's focus that's difficult. Ever try to still your thoughts? ...

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IMO blind people have the developed senses/mind that students can dream of having. Why? Because they see with their mind and not eyes. Do you what's taught at RSE? In depth? It's about "resolving the image". I have met people from every walk of life. Doctor, lawyer and Indian Chief-literal...

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I have it on tape. I didn't have "alien" indoctrination. It was before my time. I was shocked to hear David and Jeff Knight say they were afraid of being eaten by lizards? HUH? A few months ago i stumbled into you tube and Alex Collier "at the ranch"? I watched it. Then many more...

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I meant that all the participants have the belief that they have, are learning to have, and are attempting to demonstrate that they have obtained some sort of paranormal ability and that they think that they are under conditions that are valid, so that the results they get cannot be questioned. One...

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Your grandmother was Tall? Awesome. Common or "normal" events such as first kiss, first day of school need no explanation. Not to me. I went there thinking to have freedom to explore and understand what isn't "normal" in our society. And in a round about way i now understand it. ...

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Using your Grandmother as example can you imagine how confused she would have been going through life if her intelligence had not been recognized and cultivated? Imagine the struggle for her? She would have gone through life as "different". Wondering what's wrong with HER that she is the o...

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Yes and no?

Some people go to RSE to get something they don't have. Others go to receive an explanation to understand what they have already experienced.

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You lost me. What do you mean "test psychics". ???

I do not see any way to skew results. You can see in you tube.

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NO.

In a class of 500 we each made two cards. Placed in individual baggies. Not allowed to look at others cards. Goofs us focus if you do. Then on way to field students (suckers) exchange cards many times with other students. Each student hands two cards on fence. Blank side out.

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We exchange many many many many times with other students. Without anyone seeing what's on the card or knowing whose card they have. The cards are passed face down. Instructions are to NOT hand cards close together. It's a big field.

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Ockhma Page can't be found. I had no awareness to such things as aliens etc. Everything has happened in reverse in my life. Meaning 25 years later i find out what was being taught at RSE before i got there. It's in blocks. There appears to be "era" blocks of teaching. I am not inclined to ...

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I'm saying i don't think they actually expect anything extraordinary to occur. The point is an ascended master would have already known about it. Paranormal? There is no one size fits fit all. Meaning what's normal to one may not be normal to another. That's why i am cautious about others life-messi...

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I have never and will never focus on miracles. On the cards? Good question. Have not done it in forever-no pun :D At the time i was so excited it didn't occur to me. Had no idea what RSE is. Well, can't really say that. Because first time JZ opened her mouth as "self"-i knew something was ...

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Hey Joe, Be careful. You're quoting Ramtha. I get the impression that we all have a different take (of sorts) on RSE teachings because we were there at different times. There's blocks of teaching. "I am not my body" is an expression used to clarify a persons interest, position. Actually, i...

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Just told there's been 3/ cases of people with 2 sets DNA on news last six months. Also, when was DNA done on JZ?

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Ockham Cards. The disciplines do not create finding of card on fence. Bear with me here please as i attempt to strighten out the association between C&E, focus being what takes student to their card. It isn't. If you get in Third Eye examine and evaluate the idea of thought having vibration and ...

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RSE is teaching almost identical from Third Eye, VS Alder. A book I scanned weeks ago and last night went back to actually read. I spent hours on fifteen pages. Hours! IMO RSE has taken what is indeed called "ancient wisdom" or hidden knowledge as it has been referred to in the occult. Cre...

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Ockham; Thank You for responding. It has been a point of confusion and major frustration for me. No criticism here ( and i mean it) but what i am hearing is that it isn't real, is luck or otherwise dismissed entirely without answering a question because we all know RSE is crap. It is important (imo)...

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Question: Is it a fantasy that people in a blindfold find their card on a fence?

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Hey everyone,

Cell tower trouble and computer went down. Messages dropped. I have no idea what has and hasn't been received. David, you get the emails DNA? I just now tried to email and i have no idea if you received it?
Let me know.

Thanks

GB

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OMG bless you! My brain has stretch marks from all the books, articles, posts, my thoughts and processing. I agree with you. It's exactly what happens. I am more fortunate than many because i didn't integrate. I couldn't. Too insane for me. I took the teachings and ran. It's been an alone journey in...

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RSE Website has changed. It's sloppy as if thrown together carelessly. Advertising alien cds and Ramtha crop circle stickers. It's sad. Our bad ass warrior that (in theory) so bold and bombastic from behind the veil of a woman. Won't show his face. I am not sorry i went there. At that time in my lif...

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Thanks David. Now i understand but it still doesn't make sense. So that's the "Big Event" she was marketing huh? It's all about the $$$$$$$$$. If proving Ramtha is the priority why not just have him step out? End the drama & suspense. DNA shows two separate DNA. One taken before and du...

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where did Joe get the information JZ revealed DNA test results? I'm trying to find the news article she put out? Anyone have it?

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Seriously, Keep the faith. My kids really went through it. However, she got through college and is independent. A scientist actually. For years i was destroyed, anguish over the effect of my choices on my children. Recently she told me she attributes her success to the structure of our home and life...

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I am questioning the relevance of her DNA? You are not your body is the foundation of Christianity. Journey Of Soul Into Matter/Body is a doctrine of RSE. Talks about why a soul would reincarnate into a different lineage. I do not see the relevance of her DNA. Not to mention the shady character invo...

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I will see if i get her to post on EMF. She's busy so it won't be immediately.

I don't understand what JZ DNA has to with Ramtha? "He" never said he's IN her body. The explanation was that he overlays her body and works it through reptilian brain.

Response please?

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I have a family member that's a scientist. Several degrees. Fellowship with CDC. Iowa Hygienic Lab. Public Health. Let me see what i can do.

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Ockham,

The stars "come out at night". Where are they the rest of the time?

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Would someone explain why this is even an issue? What does having two sets of DNA have to do with an alleged ascended master she allegedly channels? ??????

Want to prove he's real? Let him show himself. That simple.

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Hey Joe, Appreciate your response. When something is important to me i go with it. I have 24/7 to research and process. I also have a very quick mind. Process quickly and on to the next question in the blink of an eye. That fast. Once i am on something i stay on it until it's resolved. It's like bei...

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Ockham-my thoughts exactly!!

It's just a publicity stunt.

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That was a subject i wasn't going to approach. :-) Celibacy. In our "modern" world :roll: that we call civilized :roll: sex is so .... :shock: Lack of self respect and respect for the act. IMO celibacy is a natural part of evolving. When someones thoughts are on Christ ....! To each his ow...

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Thanks David, Don't say it too loud. I might show up at your door :lol: I agree. I have had enough....it's insane. Fortunately for me i wasn't integrated into RSE. WHEW!!! And no RSE friends. However, nothing can compare to when i left Pentecostal and went out into a world completely unfamiliar. :sh...

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What video?

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Are you SERIOUS????? OMG

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All of us have looked to others for direction, inspiration, help, support from many different sources, institutions. Mental health, religion, education and science. All are based on opinion. History reads the way whoever wrote it wanted it to. Medical field isn't a science either. Religion-which one...

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I have never seen such insanity. I wasn't there for it. I grabbed the information and ran. Most of what i have is early to late 90s. "Truth" teachings. You know-back when it was important to be honest? Not play games. Nor was there as teachings changed. That was the SHOCK when after evolvi...

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WHAT????

No Way.

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Crystal Blue Persuasion

Tommy James and The Shondells

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I am sick and tired and fed up chasing this that and everything else from hell and back in the name of God. Heaven/hell, society, mental health, politics, science, education, religion and RSE and every other cult and organized crime syndicate all have a self serving agenda. I am obviously blowing a ...

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David you have a marvelous sense of humor.

The DNA stunt takes all. It got my ire up. When and where does the insanity of RSE end? ENOUGH already!!!!!!

At this point i don't give a shit if Ramtha is real. I've had enough of the insanity and ugliness. Give THAT to Willy Wonka.

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Excuse me but how in the hell can anyone get a DNA sample from an invisible Ramtha? It's bullshit. Excuse my mouth but this garbage has gone on unnecessarily for far too long and reads like a freaking soap opera!! The cliff hanger that holds raft attention? Why go through all the cloak and dagger to...

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Alright everyone. Brain storming here (as you know :-) ) for answers. Here's what i have come up with. That organized anything is a construct of thought-doctrine. Politics, education, religion, RSE, atheism, medical field, law. No science or absolutes in any of it. Just some basic concepts. Gnosis c...

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Ockham, Wow, 3 of us live in Amish counties? Interesting. Yes, they can be cold. I have turned to them to create better self sufficiency. I bug em-pick their brain and hire them to teach me. The Amish here are "modern". They have generators and don't use kerosene. My Pentecostal life was q...

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Joe, Gnosis can't be taught. It comes from within. I don't see faith, reason, gnosis as separate. It's one thing. I had already had unimaginable experiences long before RSE. I went there for an explanation. I understand the pseudoscience aspect. Meaning that RSE uses unproven science as a foundation...

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Thanks Joe.

I agree. I have backed off because i see the biggest issue is ego. It's sad. It hurt deeply to discover a situation so close. A person has to take personal responsibility.

You live in Amish. It's a trip. I love them and their products. They do good work.

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Joe, Thanks for response. Words are a pain in the @##$. Words also create misunderstandings. Let's replace "agenda" with the word position/stance. :D As you know i was in Pentecostal many years and staunch in my faith, belief in God. Not the church-God. There's a difference. I devoured my ...

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RSE has a wide dragnet. For females it's a major hook. JZ had it all. She was talented, independent, beautiful, a business woman and feminine at the same time. When i read her book i could relate to her. Plus she was intelligent. I didn't know then. Back then she was sweet. For females that had stru...

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I was asking about mundane/magnificent.

Mine fell through. Back to start. Find another.

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Just saw it. The shirt Ramtha wore at big event being auctioned, currently at $8,000. My God, what's next.

hey Ockham, clog in the system? I was asking you about mundane/magnificent.

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I understand what RSE parents are doing. They see the world as a threat. Are keeping kids away from society. They think they are protecting them. And yet I cannot image ANY parent allowing their child at a wine ceremony. Exposing them to filth and a harsh environment. It's hard to say the fate of th...

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Cult children. I didn't allow the boys to go shirtless. They could wear shorts. My daughter wore only dresses. As did i and females of any age were not allowed to cut hair. I wasn't sure how to raise the kids. What does any 18 year old person know about life? I got into the Pentecostal church becaus...

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I was under 25 when i got the "call" that ultimately took me to RSE. I read my bible every chance i got. With 3 kids? It was when they were napping. One day i was reading my bible, scripture that said, "get wisdom, knowledge and understanding". What struck me is the "knowled...

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I spent many years in a Pentecostal church. I got involved when i was 20 and left 9 years later. I had no contact with society other than to go to grocery store. Always had my kids with me. Never away from the kids. My life consisted of being a wife, mother and loving God. That's where RSE began for...

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Joe I have cut my teeth on EMF breaking away from RSE, regaining myself. The tough questions have to be ask. Emf is a library for people that are struggling to comprehend RSE yes, but isn't limited to RSE. Not only are the similarities between religion and RSE scary-but the same abuse and control ta...

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Patience please. I am wading through information. Perhaps it should be titled defining delusion/reality rather than pseudoscience? Joe, i ask you to explain the difference between the mental health definition of delusion/reality compared to the accepted practice within the religious community. Then ...

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I am asking an honest question and requesting a response from all who read it. People threw off religion and ran to RSE as well as other groups that professed to have answers that religion didn't/doesn't provide. We took a journey through Ramthaland and here we are. Coming out of it, waking up. Aski...

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Joe, Question: In mental health how is delusion defined? Would you consider someone that talks to them self or has an invisible friend as delusional? If so how then how do we reconcile faith and prayer? I do not know of any religion (Christian) that doesn't teach and preach that God, an unproven and...

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Joe To prove a miracle wasn't and isn't the question or answer. Proving an extraordinary event does not identify or prove the source , cause. That was the question. My point to you is that EMF is a place where and for people to go that are questioning and waking up to mind control and brainwashing. ...

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Decades ago the Pentecostal Church was a closed community with strict moral code. Main theme was, come out from amongst them and be ye separate . In reference to main stream society. Home schooling sprung up as a way to prevent children from being effected by society. The curriculum was based on the...

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I saw the video tonight. I want to to point out that Greg Simmons cited a large number of people that have gone to RSE in contrast to the handful of disgruntled students that comprise LARSE. Question: So why if 50,000-70,000 (est) have attended RSE are there how few in contrast that make up the core...

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Ockham

I have read more in the last 30-45 days than 2 years.

Let me say that while most of my life i had no television, due to circumstances and i began watching television 4? years ago. Talk about mind control!! I got rid of it last fall and have been "learning" since.

Thanks

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Joe sz I am not selling anything and how would "collaboration" answer the question that out of the confusion and TRUST i posted. For you to make it suspect? Allow me to point out that it CAN be "proven" with-through and by public record. Easy. However, THAT is not and was not the...

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David, The question wasn't "if" something not only improbable but impossible occurred. That's a given. I wasn't trying to "manifest" anything. I was in an unhappy situation and angry. I didn't even want the property after discovering that i had been lied to, stabbed in the back a...

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I quake and shake within and break out in a sweat to think of lives i impacted. I believed the illusion and concerned for others tried to get someone to go to RSE. Thank God he had the insight not to go. At the time it was devastating to me that my family ...they despised it, Jz/RSE, i didn't dare o...

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Exactly Joe, my point and anger precisely at what RSE is doing. I posted today about that very thing. What's sacred isn't marketed, flaunted or for sale. Quite frankly it didn't occur to me to use RSE BS on it. My background was real estate and i was going through that process/procedure. Completely ...

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Ockham,

I didn't know there's a difference between .com and ,EDU and criteria that determines which. I am getting an education. You mentioned in a post about real estate listings. Ramster homes having the picture of Jz doing the finger gesture? I have a finger gesture for her.

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Anything sacred is not marketed or used to obtain fame and fortune It isn't flaunted. It's kept private. Rse is set up and designed to market and cultivate RSE-not spiritual growth. And the people that go there honestly believing are oblivious to the manipulation and deceit. They don't catch the bai...

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RSE has cinflict of interest. It is impossible to market "enlightenment" and simultaneously profess to be doing "the great work." The commercialism aspect erases spiritual aspect. So that what they end up with equates to someone paying $$$$ to waste their energy on "discipli...

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Nope, what was on the survey days earlier (and witnessed) we had out going over changed on the survey as well as all copies, including master copy at surveyors and appeared on the plat map hanging on the wall at city hall. And i am not talking about weeks later. City hall was less than 4 blocks away...

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I have no idea where this goes. I want to clarify what i have said. First and foremost within the last 6 weeks? i have forced a watermelon through a key hole in all the information i have had to comprehend. Intense. And like anyone else it's a process not an event. I want to clarify something. That ...

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Now you understand my confusion? People saying the teachings don't work? All the mind boggling ....i have experienced i attributed to the teachings and Ramtha. Only to discover Ramtha isn't real? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm serious as a heart attack. The only explanation i have is that consciousnes...

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I have depended on manifestations for my survival. And because of so much other stuff materials no longer mattered. Being able to manifest. i wanted to KNOW God. Go beyond where i was. I had already experienced things that most people would be hard pressed to believe. I had a goal. To get myself int...

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now you see the dilemma for me? The question? There's several witnesses. I automatically attributed it to RSE. Consciousness and energy or Ramtha. After that experience i knew anything is possible. That's only one of the things. The cop that had a copy of the survey knew about RSE. I was giving him ...

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I don't as a rule disclose such things and as i read California Dreamin and others i have wrestled with it. All of us are asking same things. The following is an example. One of the miracles. I was given a small piece of undeveloped land. It was in 2 sections. One was .75 of an acre and the was 1.5 ...

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Ramtha isn't real. He is her and she is him. One and same. No doubt in my mind.

The teachings: We know Ramtha isn't real. We know where the "ancient wisdom" came from. Here's my question and dillema.

So what created the miracles that i automatically attributed to RSE?

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It's one of the most awful books, subjects, i have ever read. It was mandatory reading. Not a pleasant subject. back then unheard of and now common knowledge. Requires a strong stomach.

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Doing a lot of soul searching. Change isn't easy. Not when my entire reality has been shaken and i am defining what i am and believe in. Ironically the "do unto others" has been put in my face. As posted the information about government, grey men, conspiracies is a lot to put on anyone. A ...

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Thanks Ockham.

I agree. To me it was used to instill fear, sow doubt and mistrust. You familiar with Cathy O'brian and Mark Phillips? Trace formation Of America?

How's your book coming? i don't have it yet.

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It was work to believe the channel concept. I was skeptical. From the moment i opened the white book it turned my life upside down. I didn't read much of it at first because it was just too bizarre. Put it aside and life went on. But something drew me back to the book. Over time it got my attention....

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I have read everything i can in an attempt to understand and get to the "truth", A word i don't even like or trust any longer. Unlike many on EMF i didn't have any prior awareness of God as anything beyond religion. It was very challenging for me to embrace the "teachings". The h...

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I needed a good laugh. It's so insane what else can you do but laugh? So now ascension is in death when the soul departs-ascends

Oh!

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Found it under Ascension Research Center. She claims to have been Joan Of Arc. Apparently Ramtha and St Germain are confused. Maybe it's altzheimers :mrgreen: Wouldn't that be an interesting lawsuit. JZ suing Edna for saying SHE was Joan Of Arc or being sued by Edna Ballard..Maybe there was two Joan...

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Dear Student, Have you wondered why it costs so much for an event? Why your beloved teacher Ramtha, for sale? Auctioned off to the highest bidder for a one on one? You should know in the early days an hour session with Ramtha was $500? Back to the question of why it costs so much for events can best...

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Anyone have a copy of the list from the I Am church?

I have the one from RSE that came with the cd. Not to mention I know it by heart.

My fabulous wealth came, i woke up to the lie of RSE.

David: Keep it coming. The information/articles/books are incredibly liberating.

Thank You

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I'm serious as a heart attack about Hitler tactics. Don't take my word for it-or anything else for that matter. Be responsible. Protect yourself and loved ones by educating yourself. Many informative books are available online as pdf free. I cannot say enough about Psychic Dictatorship. It appears t...

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I just scanned Psychic Dictatorship In USA. It's about the I Am church. Guy Ballard and his wife Edna. St Germain, same BS. Greed, dictatorship, fear.....crap. That has robbed people of their life-literally. Their money, energy, mind, neglected health. It's incomprehensible. I feel sick-literally. T...

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Dear C.D. Thank you for responding. After watching the many video's of Linda Evens and again the one of JZ spitting at her-i wasn't happy with my criticism and judgment of her. Not to mention recalling that when JZ played her game of the grey men trying to close the school. it was Linda Evans that l...

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I don't think this is the accurate place for what i am posting. David sos. Psychic Dictatorship...de ja vous. At the start of the school? Church I Am founded Guy Ballard and his wife after the alleged appearing of St Germaine to Guy in CA. At the first group meeting St Germaine as channeled went bac...

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I read something by Sir Roberts :roll: daughter. she published a public apology for any harm done by a product he was marketing-that killed him. Caused kidney failure. It's all such a twisted crock of crap. First and foremost RSE is a corporation. Duh. That resulted from a created product called , e...

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Yes, he had one, positive. His old teacher. Small man. kept his writings wrapped in a leather? to protect. Their initial meeting was a man that trespassed on a property. The warrior said to the old man, "know i could i cut your head off in a moment"? The old man says, "know in a momen...

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Science Of Mind Have it and scanned 95 pages so far. Oh My. Realize how many people (that don't read a lot) have no idea there's nothing original about "the teachings"? Except the Ramtha character and he is pieced together from many sources. Straight out of Hollywood. Unbelievable. Histor...

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