The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

Xylofone

Oh, masks make superb popcorn holders while you walk down the street and need a little snack. The little elastic ear ties fit right over your fingers so you don't lose any popcorn. I'm waiting and ready for the next show, wheeeee!

Xylofone

Ha. that sounds like it would be a great intimidation. If anyone sees those videos and doesn't lose their faith then they need their head examined. I just found out it's a reference to the alien invasion we've all been waiting for. by we I don't mean me. I guess aliens will come down in ships and in...

Xylofone

LoLoLoL! I'm glad you posted the quotes. I wasn't sure if we could do that here without getting you in trouble. "Why never attempt to channel an enlightened being while completely out of your tree on drugs" Humm, ho, this seems like a familiar plot, like I've seen it somewhere before! Man,...

Xylofone

From JZ's Facebook page: "WHITE GUILT.. I was, just a moment ago answering a lovely woman’s question... so I thought I would address this Race issue, which, I never had.... Some of this story is in my autobiography A STATE OF MIND..but this is a bit of expansion of that time 1948, Rockwall, Tex...

Xylofone

To add to the growing list of plagiarisms, Neville Goddard coined the phrases "fabulously wealthy" and "radiantly healthy." These are two of his signature phrases. I wasn't sure where to post this. Admin, feel free to move this post if it should be elsewhere! But, try not to move...

Xylofone

Now, how many RSE students are out there cleaning up their consciousness while wearing masks and washing their hands?

Xylofone

One more. JZ says: Another example of our Teachers' long sight, this was from 20 years ago almost to the day “There are viruses that are intelligent that can change so fast. You don’t change but they do. They are the host that is going to feed upon what is not going to change and they are going to d...

Xylofone

**UPDATE: As of March 21, 2020, Absolute Health Clinic has finally decided to close the blu room due to COVID-19. However, the nutritional IV drips and other appointments will still be available with AHC doctors. What took so long? Did they finally realize the blu room won't cure this new disease an...

Xylofone

We all know that when you're in RSE you think Ramtha is a great prophet and when you get out you see clearly how silly that is because the information is just plain wrong. I saw a post on JZs facebook that is a great demonstration for how she stretches facts and grabs for any and every connection. T...

Xylofone

And now for your daily dose of stupid. Many RSE students believe they are immune to the coronoavirus and JZ Knight is the only one talking sense. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?! Right, she has to play the part of the responsible human. She can't slip into her Ramtha character and tell everyone to "just ...

Xylofone

Ockham, cool :-D Apparently Sylvia Browne "predicted" the virus in one of her books. In around 2020, a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments,” Browne wrote. “Almost more baffling than t...

Xylofone

Hehe, of course you know it's up to each student to protect themselves with the 'disciplines' and create their day in order to avoid such things as viruses, accidents, bad situations, etc. Why, Ramtha wouldn't dare interfere with any of his students' karmic lessons, that would be a tragedy and he wo...

Xylofone

Maybe the Q thing wasn't as profitable as they had hoped. Oh shucks. There will be another profitable movement that will rake in some cash short term, just wait. The current craze is C-60. JZ said it was like swallowing a blu room packed into a pill. C-60, Carbon 60. It's lovingly referred to as &qu...

Xylofone

The book is fiction, but the content is very much a reality for some, including myself. I was able to see cards for a period of time. The number and suit would appear on the back of the blank white card in a shadow form. Other times I could close my eyes and see the card flash in my mind clear as da...

Xylofone

And bingo was his name-o! I always found it annoying the way she said "lab-ri-NITH" - but the worst for me was listening to her say "hertZIAN" rather than "hertizan" referring to frequency. Ok science master oh great all knowing and all powerful Ramtha. Why would I trus...

Xylofone

I won't post the link but the RSE official youtube channel posted a video a couple weeks ago (Attitudes vs The Observer) and it's pretty funny. "I have been taught like Jesus taught his disciples that the kingdom of heaven was smaller than the mustard seed" - "Ramtha" What transl...

Xylofone

I just replied to him via PM!

Xylofone

Brilliantly stated. I haven't read the Federalist papers, but everything you said makes sense. I've read bits and pieces of content explaining what is and isn't true about these documents and I was shocked to see that even the declaration of independence wasn't what I was taught in school. Shocker. ...

Xylofone

Oh interesting, I had no idea! That is rather similar. Seems like a common theme with the sword.

Xylofone

Okay, so I'm really torn here. I used to view Steve's blog as kinda cool. A little update here and there on the town of Yelm and a sprinkle of Ramtha thrown in. I don't see it that way anymore. I'm torn because I don't understand how anyone can think anything Ramtha says is even remotely intelligent...

Xylofone

Hi Ockham, thanks. The only benefit I got from the Blu Room was the initial pain relief from joint and arthritis type symptoms, which is the only science-backed result of UVB. It's not a miracle, I'll tell you that! I agree, a qualified person should make that judgment. They have no qualified people...

Xylofone

Here it is, the Focus Game was presented at Seattle Nativity School. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rc_kN51MB8 The school's website: http://www.seattlenativity.org/about.html It's a tuition-free Jesuit Catholic school... allowing students to learn from an alleged disembodied 35,000 year old spirit...

Xylofone

Now that the Phoenix School has shut down... what will the kids do? Oh wait. Here we go. Ramtha's pseudo-neuroscience was packaged into a game a couple of years ago ("The Focus Game") and now the creator (long time RSE student and former Phoenix Rising teacher) is running her own classes t...

Xylofone

:-D He is hilarious!

Xylofone

To expose faith healers, Derren Brown trains a regular guy to act as a faith healer and he gets a 100% success rate on the street "healing" people of their aches and pains, proving the subjective nature of pain and how easy it is to alleviate pain temporarily through psychological means al...

Xylofone

This is hilarious! The best part is when he says "I don't know how they did it"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbwWL5ezA4g

Chuckle, chuckle, ha ha

Xylofone

It's true. Sad, but true. I'm glad someone is finally speaking out against the org. even if it is just by forcing them to take down testimonials that are misleading. The Blu Room actually caused and exacerbated existing medical problems for me. Did anyone want to hear it? NO. Even though blue light ...

Xylofone

I remember looking around at everyone on the field (and I LOVE the field) thinking to myself, "is this where I'm going to be in 40 years? Paying $1500 to come out here and find my card over and over again for the next 4 decades of my life? My God, doesn't anyone see how stupid this is? How many...

Xylofone

A new article from the Nisqually Valley News A Day at Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment NVN Reporter Takes Opportunity to Visit Local School http://www.yelmonline.com/news/article_2c9fadaa-08ba-11ea-a5be-9f695e38b38d.html The article isn't particularly interesting, but I did notice something. The fir...

Xylofone

Yep... really scary in the wrong hands!

Xylofone

Here's a link full of Prozac content that has survived the great web purge: http://last.ram-europa.com/EN_Newsletter/EN_Newsletter_Vo-2_Is-3.htm Excerpts from the page include these gems: "I find the neurotransmitting qualities of Prozac to be extraordinarily favorable because it replaces what ...

Xylofone

"In the old days, really old days, leaders of continents, nations, and principalities taught people how to think. To help them along, they used to put an herb called rauwolfia in the community water well. In other words, quietly they endeavored to put the herb equivalent of Prozac in the villag...

Xylofone

"Prozac is what brings back a calming, logical, flowing thinking, whereas marijuana destroys the brain. It destroys the brain cells. The 'high' is the death of the brain." - Ramtha RSE 1996. Prozac effed up people's lives who followed Ramtha's advice to take it. They lost their calm, rati...

Xylofone

I love this!

Xylofone

That is incredibly sad about Robert, but thanks for pointing that out. It's important for people to see the contradictions. ah, but there's always a reason the disciplines aren't working or aren't good enough, right? They're not dedicated enough, not doing it right, they're not focused enough or may...

Xylofone

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/10/24/ces-personnes-qui-pretendent-vous-guerir You can translate this page using Google Translate as an extension in your browser if your browser supports it. Note: There is a video on the page that might be hard to recognize as a video in some browsers. According to...

Xylofone

This is one of the greatest posts around the forum, a great resource to be linked to people just exiting and hopefully for people on the fence to find!

Xylofone

looks like that's all still going on. claims of horrible diseases, then claims of being healed - then some MD posting infographics to the internet stating she is free from disease only to see posts from JZ stating she is going in for surgery just to be safe... then she's disease free and people cred...

Xylofone

:lol: :lol: :lol: I heard a similar story about some other teacher but can't recall who it was... the guy scammed a bunch of people and then came out and apologized and everyone applauded him for coming clean and let him off the hook for the crime, it could have been a Scientologist. LOL @ your open...

Xylofone

I "heard" through the "grapevine" that JZ later appeared on stage and admitted that she had lied about the IRS going after RSE, and everyone applauded her for her honesty... I wasn't there, but I've heard multiple people say they witnessed this??

Xylofone

"This Man Makes You Think"

The first part of this video is a fantastic representation of how easy it is to manipulate others... (the rest is good too, but I think the first part just nails it!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JE8j5Ncmw

Xylofone

http://matthewremski.com/wordpress/what ... lt-members

This is a brilliant article I thought others might find helpful.
Not sure where to post it, admin?

Xylofone

I thought this was really cool and fun... the Simpsons are better prophets than Ramtha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZpuW6nYKCw Everything their shows "predicted" may have been simple and obvious coincidences, but at least they depicted scenarios that were realistic. Ram could learn a ...

Xylofone

Has anyone noticed that the bottles of wine Ramtha drinks from are already opened and the cork is placed in the bottle... meaning, it's entirely possible Rammy wasn't drinking wine at all? I noticed a few events where Rammy-Poo made a big stink about having downed multiple bottles of wine and was no...

Xylofone

Posting this here since the drug and alcohol forum is locked from new topics and replies! RSE students are passing around emails warning people of the dangers of Prozac, now that it's come to light that Prozac pushes people over the edge when they're already considering murder and suicide. The case ...

Xylofone

OMG that's hilarious it made me laugh out loud pretty hard!!!

Hey didn't the lizard people get eaten by the greys when Rammy-Poo recreated the DNA of Jesus in a lab and ended up creating a monster that looked like Bigfoot that devoured all of us in 2012 right as we all jumped timelines??

Xylofone

I used to hang on every word out of "Ramtha's" mouth. I was looking for those gems - you know, like when you're sifting through your cat's litterbox panning for gold and you keep sifting because you know there's one more nugget? I remember one event very clearly where I just looked at JZRa...

Xylofone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3H6-NQ6hfA

"It's not brainwashing... he's washing your soul"

Xylofone

How funny. I used to hear those things and other similar stories and think the students were just running away with themselves, but then I started hearing it from "Ram" and realized it was part of the whole shebang. Maybe they measure "Ram's" bands with one of those mood ring sto...

Xylofone

I can relate to your story in so many ways. And beautifully written too.
It seems like the kind of exit story that would be relatable to so many people. I hope more students find your story.

Xylofone

Wasn't the UFO festival thing this recent weekend past? Maybe word got around about RSE and people started checking it out online and found your site? Interesting!!

Xylofone

HAHAHAHAHAHA! The kid was the best part of all. And people think Bashar is real but he sounds just like the first guy LMFAO I can't believe people take this stuff seriously. Or maybe everyone's just pretending and nobody knows everyone else is aware it's hilarious nonsense LOL!!!

Xylofone

Her content and "teachings" are so transparently regurgitated theosophy. Thanks for posting all of that, good find, and I'm sure there's more, but who has time to read through the books to find it all? Or who would want to? Too bad they're not digitally available to use a word search funct...

Xylofone

they showed us trailers for this bizarre film over and over in events it's being created by Jaime and Paulina and there's no substance to it. From the trailer it looked like another film designed to make JZ look good. I was lost on what it was all about it was just a bunch of music and graphics and ...

Xylofone

I was confused the first time someone told me, "but Ram taught Jesus" I was like wait a cotton-pickin' minute, what?? So the big R didn't just teach Jesus, he created him. Not surprised such a claim would come out of the school. I think she used her knowledge of the Bible from back in the ...

Xylofone

Hey Webmaster, I'm not sure where to post this so feel free to move where appropriate. I found this video, it's nothing we don't know but for people catching up with the history of RSE and JZ it might be a useful way to get an idea of how things have progressed. It features multiple clips from over ...

Xylofone

:!: :!: :!: :-? That's horrible... just disgusting. OK now I'm remembering a time when "Ramtha" was really laying into Steve Klein about something I don't remember what, but "he" was giving it to him HARD. Trying to get him to admit to something, and he was in tears and he wouldn...

Xylofone

Wow. There is always a way to rationalize anything. But that's what you're trained to do - master knows best! Anything master does is a lesson! A great runner! I've heard of three people being slapped so far. When she crosses the wrong person, they'll spill their guts. I can't imagine anyone will ca...

Xylofone

Xylofone, Maybe if she takes enough testosterone, "Ramtha" will finally stop sitting and animating like a female would. :lol: Every time I've watched "Ramtha", he sits in ways that would be uncomfortable for a male You mean the way Ramtha exaggeratedly manspreads on the throne m...

Xylofone

Oh wow I had forgotten about that, I remember hearing that in his interview.
Ay yay yay.

Xylofone

Wow. That's crazy that she slapped people across the face and they were happy to have that experience. I'm remembering what a former friend of mine said to me about her great hierophant master teacher never being hard on her like he was on others, and she was so distraught because she thought he did...

Xylofone

Very interesting! It's refreshing to see information from someone who understands these tests to notice and point out these important details. This DNA test thing has been the source of "proof" for so long, it's now clear as day (or should be) that it is a fraud. Besides, doesn't "Ram...

Xylofone

Thanks for posting this important piece of the puzzle.

Xylofone

Has JZ ever encouraged RSE students to go after ex-RSE students like Scientology, aside from the intimidating emails Mike Wright has been known to send? I do recall several events where she railed against current and ex students to incite an angry mob but I wonder if she's ever gotten people to atta...

Xylofone

Wow. This is absurd!!! RSE needs to be shut down and she needs to find something else to do with her time. What a waste of time, energy, and money. Kudos to Glen for fighting her insane accusations. It's VERY clear she only wants to shut people down and has no legal ground for her lawsuits. Her stud...

Xylofone

Xylofone

Ridiculous!! I heard about the "uniforms" from a long-time student. He talked about his distaste for wearing the "uniform" as if it made him a disappointment to his teacher and he just didn't care. "Ramtha" sure created a lot of drama for people to engage in. I mean, th...

Xylofone

Pretty good!

Red guards are also emotionless zombies that never smile and go through the motions with a straight face that makes one wonder if they're bored out of their red minds... as if they know all the tricks already and aren't impressed... Hrmmm...

Xylofone

Xylofone

I thought that was another thread. I just saw here that she posted a link to get the other books, since she had posted the other pdf files.

Xylofone

I don't see what Heyoka is posting as promoting the work or creating fear. I see it as exposing another source of the deception. It needs to be out in the open and discussed and made available like all the other books and titles so people can look into it, get the books if they need to, and then rea...

Xylofone

There is no "shocked" emoji, so imagine my jaw on the floor right now! YOU FOUND THE MOTHERLODE!!! Whoa. Check out page 436 of book IV and tell me if that's not familiar as all get out. I am just skimming so far and I don't think my jaw is going to come off the floor anytime soon. This is ...

Xylofone

https://artvoice.com/2019/06/20/fred-j- ... amtha-act/

An analysis comparing JZ Knight to Jane Roberts outlining similarities.

Xylofone

Ramtha's brain science made it to Seattle's Nativity School - a Catholic STEM school, in the form of a board game created by an RSE student and former Phoenix teacher. The game is to remote view playing cards. The presentation is complete with Ramtha's famed "turn to the person next to you"...

Xylofone

Oh, i see haha no prob.

Xylofone

I'm glad you made it out of all of that. That's too much for a young child to have to experience. Sharing your story will help others who come here for sure.

EMF Moderator: I just checked my inbox but don't see a message? Did I post something personal? I didn't think I posted anything?

Xylofone

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/05/30/rejectramtha-is-having-a-wonderful-time-thanks-to-inthematrixxx-and-shadygroooves-perception-management-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/ He created a funny video and posted it to YouTube but JZ claimed copyright for the video and got it taken down from YouTube, ...

Xylofone

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/06/13/rejectramtha-and-all-traitors-associated-inthematrixxx-and-shadygrooove-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/ The article covers several things in depth including the controversy with the Ramtha and the Q movement, the NXIVM connection, JZ's steamrolling of Virginia,...

Xylofone

I admire your courage so much!

Xylofone

funny, but true and sad!

Xylofone

Hi Rachel, I'm in awe of your courage to share your experiences so openly! I'm sure there are people who will see your videos and read your words and will be validated as well, even if they never say anything openly. I hope that as more people share experiences, more people still involved in RSE wil...

Xylofone

"being lured slowly into the church without being told all of its beliefs"

I can think of quite a few of RSE's shocking and dangerous beliefs that are hidden from new members until they really get into it.

Thanks for posting this!

Xylofone

Another brave soul published her experiences of how "Ramtha" ruined her childhood. She was in the school as a child. Her abusive father was obsessed with building underground bunkers so much that they lived in an army tent while he built them, and she was forced to dig and work to help bui...

Xylofone

It just occurred to me that one time "Ramtha" was seated with his wonderful "comrades" and said to them, "one of you will betray me." It didn't hit me until now that she was playing Jesus, making a reference to Judas. There are so many examples of her acting out the sto...

Xylofone

The worst thing I ever did was believe that the videos were edited without even watching them myself first!! We were told that rhetoric and I repeated it like a good little sheep to anyone who brought them up. The joke was on me, because I was defending something I had never seen. When I watched it ...

Xylofone

When one moves beyond the need to constantly feel good, then reality isn't a bad thing even when circumstances seem unfair. Life was always this way, you just never see it when you're always striving for the next hit of (fake) happiness. When you get out of the mind trap of always trying to rearrang...

Xylofone

Sounds like something straight out of, uh, well, RSE! No respectable organization would have a leader that gets off on these things. I can't believe people defend all these actions for so long. Forty years, really?? Come on students, wake up! I'm especially appalled watching the video of "Ramth...

Xylofone

That's probably where she got the term from originally! But with regards to why Ramtha started calling experiences runners, there is a video somewhere that recounted the story of a man who ran into a house carrying a Ramtha message (or something like that) but he was in the wrong place, and JZ said ...

Xylofone

I remember reading or hearing that the term "runner" was created when a person literally ran into a house and I can't remember if they were delivering a message or what, but it was long after Ramtha had been making tapes and videos. But in A State of Mind, JZ says when she first met Ramtha...

Xylofone

https://frankreport.com/2019/06/08/ramt ... h-raniere/

According to a Ramtha follower, the parallels between RSE and NXIVM don't exist.

Xylofone

Your red flag post reminds me of something that has always troubled me. I know parents who brought their young children into the field for one of those adventures and one of their kids got hurt I think a fracture in the leg, and refused to come back to an event. I think the kid was 8 or something. T...

Xylofone

Great video! I was appalled but not surprised to hear him say she threatened to expose his sexuality and HIV status in the divorce settlement.

Jeff really does seem to have been a gentle soul.

I'm still lost on why Linda Evans sticks around. Surely she has to know by now.

Xylofone

Haha that's funny, I thought maybe she was using a catheter at one point since it takes sooooo looonnnng to get ready for Ram, even though she says it takes minutes on TV interviews :lol: Yeah her goblet is not clear, always dark or ornate. It's huge, but we don't know what it looks like inside. And...

Xylofone

That's a great find! What was the rest of the interview? Was it all about RSE? I just saw the shadowed person at the end and wondered if it was someone else speaking out against the organization.

Xylofone

That's great!! Thinking about one of the wine ceremonies it occurred to me that "Ramtha" was acting drunk rather than really being drunk. Sometimes "the body" is drunk, and sometimes it's not. I've seen "Ramtha" actually drunk and I've seen times when it was an acting j...

Xylofone

Hilarious. The first line of the invocation of "Initiation, Human, & Solar" mentions:

"The Mind of God"

Now where have we heard that specific term before?

Gee, I feel like I'm playing that memory card matching game.
What a coinkidink!

Xylofone

More about Alice Bailey. She was a member of the theosophical society, which we all know was founded by a satanist and 32nd degree mason. Hmmm, ironic that there are so many references to the number 32 in the materials JZ seems to have used? Could that have been an influence on her constant use of t...

Xylofone

How ironic!

Xylofone

I was wondering where the mythology of the city of Onai came from. Matthew 1:21 from the complete jewish bible (CJB): "She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means ‘ADONAI saves,’] because he will save his people from their sins.” ADONAI can be shortened to ONAI. I...

Xylofone

Howdy journeythroughramthaland! The cost depends on what location you visit. Apart from JZs (I think her only location is on campus) they're all franchises, so the cost varies. The one in Yelm is $60, but $35 for seniors. Olympia at Absolute Health Clinic is $30 across the board, they used to be $60...

Xylofone

UVB light is much like infrared, it helps with pain and has been used in sports for decades, (and it's used to treat skin conditions too) this is scientifically proven, but beyond that it's unclear what the other effects are in terms of health benefits. It stimulates vitamin D production, which is g...

Xylofone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO9YwSTZWH0 She did a good job at being witty like Ramtha and using his phraseology but with a French accent hahaha she even drops down just like JZ and does the whole arm/leg stretching thing. Her husband is still alive but I don't know if she is. Azena didn't last l...

Xylofone

On another note I heard from multiple people that when Ramtha is ready to leave they'll have a big party and the last event will be "grand" or something like that. At first I thought the end of the school would look like a "big party and wine ceremony" and now I'm thinking they'l...

Xylofone

My biggest question is when she dies who in the world is going to hold up those crazy contracts that extend how many years past her death, like 20 or 25? The only people I can think of are people she's paid off while alive and she can only hope they'll follow through when she dies. If everyone on he...

Xylofone

I think JZ was probably just lying about Esther having been a student to make her point.
Just like she lied about 3M and other corporations calling her for advice.
Totally bogus!

Xylofone

Some people say it takes JZ 2 hours to get ready to channel despite her saying it takes a few minutes. What does she do for those two hours? It's possible she uses a catheter for wine ceremonies and uses the extra time to have someone stick it in for her. Or she really isn't drinking as much as it l...

Xylofone

it took a great deal of courage to send your materials to the School for review. Wait a minute, white wind sent her teaching materials/course to RSE for review, and that's why she was called out by JZ and dragged through court? I've never heard anyone share that before. Wow. I thought JZ found out ...

Xylofone

Does anyone have a copy of that magazine available or a transcript of the interview?

I found the archived URL
http://somarchives.org/som-magazine/ite ... ruary-2006

But the site says they are working on rearchiving everything, so the link doesn't work.

Xylofone

I read in archived news reports found through archive.org that she was a cable TV salesman! Nothing to do with production. This was in at least 2 different articles. They called her "former cable TV salesman, JZ Knight..." Also there is no way her book is an autobiography. An autobiography...

Xylofone

I've got a couple questions on this paper and the research team. There's so much ambiguity around it based on what we've been told from the stage so I want to make sure I get it right. These scientists came to study her at her request, yes? She paid Melton to write the book and test her? The test wa...

Xylofone

You can't take her work seriously. She wanted center stage at RSE and JZ let her run experiments for a while and then cut her off. She ran off and joined another cult in India (a live-in cult) after leaving RSE and pledged the rest of her life to a charlatan guru whose disciples have been caught fak...

Xylofone

If you pay close attention to the indoctrination, they begin by declaring war on the rational, thinking mind. This happens overtly. They belittle rational thinking in every program, stating that analyzing situations is part of the human drama you want to transcend, and rational analysis has no place...

Xylofone

JZ told the 20/20 reporter: "People are entitled to say that I'm a fake, I'm a fraud, I'm the devil, I'm the antichrist... I'm everything but doing something good for somebody. And it's okay if they say that because you know, the thing that I've learned is that everyone is entitled to their own...

Xylofone

Another "red flag" that was thrown in my face that I blatantly ignored was this. Early on in my time as a "student" (that word is laughable to me now) I was dealing with some medical issues and you know how the rhetoric goes, "it's all in your mind." I knew I shouldn't ...

Xylofone

And now the school is closed. There was a LOT of drama around it... I don't know the details but nobody likes to talk about it

Xylofone

If you're pretending to channel an entity called Ramtha who can make anything happen, but you're not sure everyone believes he's real, how do you convince people with sleight of hand that he has super powers? Easy. When an alien smoking a pipe appears as a crop circle, use a presupposition to remind...

Xylofone

The story goes, one day there was a guy in the audience with a gun. Ramtha was on stage, and pointed at him directly and accused him of having a gun. The security team swooped in, apprehended him, and he was whisked away... and maybe arrested? I'm not sure. I've heard this story told by so many stud...

Xylofone

And another thing just popped up for me in memory that made me pause and say WTF. There was an event where JZ came out to talk to all of us and she was in the middle of her spiel boasting about herself (disguised as being humble as always) and then she said something like, "I know more than any...

Xylofone

K, here's another thing I've pondered. "Ramtha" and JZ have both said "Ramtha" is not inside her body he just manipulates her body from the back of her brain. Or he's "holding my body together through the back of my brain" as she likes to say. Even though that makes no ...

Xylofone

The JPG images from the RSE newsletter website showing the DNA "side-by-side" has mysteriously vanished from the website's "docs" directory... giving a broken image in the newsletter article where they originally published a part of the DNA results... how interesting. I won't pos...

Xylofone

I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet but I remember them telling us from the stage that after publishing the DNA results too many people were calling the DNA testing centers they sent the tests to and the centers became nervous about the fact that there was 1 person with such different DNA... a...

Xylofone

Cool, I have been finding dead links and going to archive.org to find the content when the link is no longer live on the web.
I'm really glad this site is back!

Xylofone

I just remembered one more thing. A friend, a student that began in Colorado before there was a school, told me that JZ had promoted taking Prozac and she didn't know any better and took it for a long time and it really messed up her life. That was a red flag that stuck with me in the back of my min...

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Oh yeah and I found out really fast how many people can't associate with people who don't believe in the Ram. It's the most divisive group I've seen. There is no room to question or think for yourself. When they find out you've left, you are the enemy. Reminds me of Scientology, and how there are ma...

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Here's my story somewhat in brief. Sounds like people have similar stories concerning how the deception starts to show through the cracks... I was listening to tapes and CDs for a while but ended up going to RSE live when my brother was stationed near Yelm. He was never interested in the school, I w...

Xylofone

Thanks for the welcome, it's good to be here. I'm glad you opened the forum back up. I hope more people will be finding their way even if they don't post.

Xylofone

I guess when you run out of positive messages you have to spice it up? With swears and violence (I'm amazed that she hit people that is crazy). Using the character to lash out at people she has an issue with. Thankfully i was warned by a few people to never get involved with her even if i was asked ...

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Yep that sounds like more of the story. It's far more complex than her simple understanding. The Hindu culture didn't even start as a religion, it's kind of like Jewish people who can be Jewish by blood but not necessarily be Jewish in terms of the religion. Hinduism came later, as a more structured...

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Instead of editing my post, I'll add a point here. The Hindu culture was born from the Indus river. When JZ wrote her book, it doesn't appear that she knew that? Why would she tell the story recounting a conversation where "Ramtha" (or JZ?) corrects someone to say that the people of Indus ...

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I wouldn't be surprised if it did start sooner, like you said. Now that I think about it, even in the late 90s when "Ramtha" was still teaching beginner's events, there was an added masculinity and not just in voice. The total 180 of the teachings into total harshness makes no sense. Even ...

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Some of her videos online where she's speaking as Ramtha are completely hijacked Landmark teachings with interchanged adjectives. Ex: she changed the word "significant" to "relevant" for the teachings on relevance. If she didn't get that concept and other things from Landmark (th...

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In an interview on one of the VHS tapes (Hawaii I think) JZ says that Ram told her he is the "original God of the Hindu people." But in her autobiography there's a passage where she's "recalling" a conversation with someone (it may have been one of her kids) (sorry I can't find t...

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When made correctly, ormus (aka the 'concoction') retains no lye. Just like making pretzels and other baked goods that use lye in the process, in the end it should all be gone. It's easy to test and anyone making ormus should be testing the pH all throughout the process. Anyone who drank actual lye ...

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I got in trouble several times for lighting a candle in the arena years ago during a break when I wanted to focus. Red guard said it was against the fire code. Few hours later 800 people each lit a candle, and it was magically okay!

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I think JZ has been on testosterone at some point. Daily injections could have been a low dose of testosterone. She didn't just gain weight, she gained weight like a man . Her jaw squared off like a man . Her voice got deep like a man . The deepening of her voice is thick, smoking may have contribut...

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