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I think Wisewoman is failing to realise what many in cults such as RSE don't understand and that is just because two events happen seemingly simultaneously (eg I wanted the weather to change and it did) those two things are not necessarily related. Its easy (and convenient) to forget all the times t...

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the book you are referring to is "Baird T Spaulding As I Knew Him" by David Bruton

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On the subject of being happy, the reason it is clear to me that RSE doesn't bring happiness is that there are two adults in my house, myself and my RSE partner. I have a glow of joy in me all the time, yes I get sad or angry at times (I'm human after all) but I always carry a feeling of joy and hap...

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Blueheeler you seem to have focused on me for some reason when I am the most anti-RSE person on this board. Remember I have no belief in any of it and never had (and never would) my only connection is through my partner (and like most of the world I had never heard of RSE or JZ before I met him). Se...

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Actually I have a better idea, how about we meet up Blueheeler? I live in Victoria but travel occassionally interstate if you are elsewhere.

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That is so hysterical, oh my god if you guys knew me you would seriously laugh your heads off. We all know who you are blueheeler, I recognized your whining as soon as I saw you start to post.

You are truly delusional.

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Wolfman can howl as much as he likes, it doesn't bother me. I wouldn't swap my life for anyone's elses, I live in paradise and the fact that I have an RSE partner just makes my life all the more interesting. I've dealt with enough men like Wolfman in the boardroom and the bedroom to know exactly wha...

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Wolfman sounds exactly like an RSE member. That ridiculous attitude - "you are too stupid to understand what I know". Just as well everyone doesn't think like that or we would all be walking around in diapers talking gibberish. From my experience an attitude like that is born from doubt.

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Ignatius, I am a partner of an RSE member and I too have felt and still feel to a certain extent the way you do about RSE and people who believe in Ramtha. I have tried to understand how intelligent people can get sucked into a cult like this, part of me does but there is another part of me that sti...

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Is Salma Hayek no longer a member of the school?

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How funny is that! I have only watched one video and some youtube clips and have seen her drop out of character many times as well as the accent changing from one video to the next.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

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Xindy, what I meant in regard to your sister's situation is that from the knowledge you gained of RSE through this forum you were very relieved your sister was out, this I imagine would be how your sister would feel if you were to get out of your situation. Again it's easy to judge from the outside,...

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Xindy, a few days ago I was going to post a simple message to you - "Are you okay?" my feelings weren't wrong and I would imagine that many others reading your posts were concerned for your well being. You have now told us what the problem is. You need help outside this forum to change you...

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Wouldn't the best thing be to just throw any RSE material away? There is no reason to keep it, only excuses.

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I think thinks get way too senstive on here sometimes. I have to censor nearly everything I post in case someone is offended (and I have offended people here with the smallest thing) I do feel that we have to tiptoe around a bit here, and can't really express how we feel about things especially thos...

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Thanks Bud, I was looking for a reference for the use of our Brain just the other day after a discussion with my Ramster partner. I knew the whole 10% thing was old news I just didnt know where to look for verification

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Thanks everyone - I would actually love to go, and if there was an introductory evening (which I think used to be held all over the country) then i would definitely be there. I think if my partner saw it through my eyes it would have an impact - the same way you think you look great in a bikini unti...

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The problem with the Australian workshop is that it is in another State and during the week. How motivated am I to take time off work (I am a consultant so that means money lost), spend money travelling to another state and find someone to look after the children for something I consider absolute ru...

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Maybe I should go to the workshop. Although I dont know how I would keep a straight face, if its anything like the videos I will end up asleep or laughing. I am not sure how my partner would react, whilst he keeps on saying he believes I am not sure he would actually like to see Ramtha through my ey...

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Ha ha ha - bring it on

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Swambinton, I can't really comment with a lot of knowledge of the teachings, only what I have read and things my partner says. My observation would be though that there could be a lot of explanations for many of the things you hold as truth from Ramtha. It is your desire to seek answers to particula...

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I didn't assume you believed it, I was just commenting that its just the sort of thing a Ramster would jump on to. Anything that justifies their "knowledge"

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California Dreamin - you're welcome. As soon as I read that link the first thing that came to mind is how much my partner would be into it, its just the sort of thing he prints out from the internet to keep in his reading pile. What I find really interesting and maybe some of you could comment on it...

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Wolfman - you knew as soon as you posted that link any Ramsters lurking on this site would immediately be drawn to it, they love that stuff. It's so easy to get them salivating over any of that nonsense.

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Big Dave, my partner is a member of RSE and has been for 20 years (we have been together 3) I can certainly relate to the feeling of uncertainty when you are introducing your parents to people. I am always a little anxious before we are going to be in any social situation, will he be the funny, inte...

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If students are finding their way to the forum because JZ rants about it at the ranch and this is opening their eyes to the truth then it is very likely she will shut up about EMF, she doesn't want to lose students and the income they bring in.

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Wakeup- the experiment, study whatever it was that recreated the orbs didn't do it with any photographic tricks, their study concluded that orbs were present whereever there was a lot of energy (this could have been freshly cut wood, people dancing etc). I'm not that into these things so I can't rem...

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It seems to me from both my partner and now Swami that Ramsters have some particular fear of being controlled, which is amusing as they are allowing themselves to be manipulated and controlled by JZ and her act. My partner has been manipulated by women over the years to an extent I find astonishing,...

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yes you are correct Journey that it is something to do with the abundance of digital photography. I am going to try and find the link because it was such a clear study and very hard to argue with (although I have no doubt Ramsters would) dont they believe something ludicrous like the orbs are entiti...

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I notice that Swami refers a lot to orbs, does anyone remember the link for that excellent study on orbs and the scientific explanation for how they occur? I think it was a UK based experiment. Basically orbs are a natural phenomena and it was very logically worked through and explained. It was on t...

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To the Moderators - thank you.

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Swami - what is "divine" about anything taught at the school, why do you refer to finding a card on a field as "divine" why these skills? Its very funny to me. What is so special about these skills, I can't sing but if someone could teach me to sing with a beautiful voice that wo...

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thanks Wakeup, it really is great to have an arena to vent our frustrations and to understand our loved ones better. Without those of you who have left but still remember the way you were I would really be struggling to understand why my partner says and thinks what he does.

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Do you know something funny, my partner is always talking about gold and how we shoudl buy some and how much it has gone up etc. I did a little experiment I measured buying an ounce of gold 100 years ago to putting that same money in a low interest rate account - guess what the cash was worth more t...

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I'm not asking him to make a judgement generally about what I wear, I was just using that as an example. Can't he make a judgement as to whether he likes an orange or an apple to eat, this "fear" of using the word judgement is ludicrious, a judgement is defined in the dictionary as " ...

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Probably not the right place to post but what is the problem Ramsters have with judgement!!!!! It seems to be such a dirty word. My partner and I were having a mild discussion about it last night (can't get too far into anything or its World War 3) I said to him "could you make a judgement as t...

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Swami - I live in Melbourne To all of the past students, can you see yourselves in Swami's words, justifying the school and the whole act? Its almost my partners words verbatim. RSE does a brilliant job of manipulating minds and turning people into robots who all sound the same. Swami as for it bein...

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Wakeup Call - what brilliant logic! I am always at a bit of a loss when my partner says he has experienced things for himself and that I have no right to question that (although I usually do anyway, after all there is no doubt our mind can play tricks on us) That candle in the mirror thing - I didn'...

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Journey - I know sometimes you just cant sugar coat it! When I read exactly the same words from someone else that my partner speaks in defense of Ramtha its like listening to robots and its so funny that they think we are the ones who don't know whats really going on.

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Hey guys I dont think anyone has told Swamibinton one very important fact - that RSE is a cult. Swamibinton if only you knew that the words you are saying are exactly the same as my RSE partner says, they are not individual thoughts at all (I know this because you are almost repeating verbatim what ...

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Humbled Pied Piper, I agree if my partner were still doing the disciplines he did before we met we would hardly see each other. But now instead of getting up at 4am he sleeps in until around 8am (he works mainly from home so has that luxury) or later, does an hour in his special room sometime during...

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I dont know if anyone else with family in RSE has situations like this (I imagine you do). I have had people make comments about some of the things my partner talks to people about, like - It's probably best if **** (dont know why I'm not putting down his name when most of you know who he is) doesn'...

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Sorry but I just dont understand. If Kenny can truly read through cards, why doesnt he just do a quick trip around the country to the casinos, amass a fortune, or at least enough so he doesnt need to work for the rest of his life. It wouldnt bring attention to him, if he isnt known at the casinos he...

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perhaps those with Ramster partners, family, friends need to look in themselves at their need to control/change/convince "their" Ramster. I agree that my first reaction was definitely to convince my parner that Ramtha wasn't real and to change his belief system because of how I felt about...

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Marie I understand completely where you are coming from I use this forum to vent my feelings I dont use my partner. It is so hard for me not to laugh when my partner talks about reptilians etc and I would never discuss this with friends or family as I dont believe you put your partner down to other ...

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Tree, that was beautiful. Emotions are great, I am always telling my partner emotions make us human, lets feel them and embrace them. It so wonderful to read your joy at finding your freedom again.

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HumbledPied Piper - I have definitely learned from this forum not to confront my Ramster partner anymore but to seed things into conversations as delicately as possible. He is on the defensive all the time about RSE (because of how vocal I was at the beginning of our relationship) so I need to be ex...

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California Dreamin, I think its a great idea to focus on something you could do in the future with animals. You will be strong enough to do it, but will probably never be able to remain impartial to the suffering, but thats what makes you human and a beautiful person. One of my biggest problems with...

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I would have to disagree about the dysfunctional childhood, my partner had a wonderful happy childhood with loving parents and has had a pretty typical life since. Good jobs, nice lifestyle, happy long term relationships with women. Its just the RSE stuff that makes him a bit weird, apart from that ...

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I do understand Leemar's questioning. It is really really difficult to understand how people can be duped like this, I know that it couldn't happen to me in this way and before I get yelled down - one of the reasons I know this is I have absolutely no interest at all in the subjects that the school ...

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Humbled Pied Piper - I have been with my RSE partner for 3 years now. We have exactly the same discussions you have with your partner, he is forever telling me to have an open mind but as I often say (and I think this was David's quote) I keep an open mind but not so open my brain falls out! It is v...

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Tree, I think Wake Up Call needs to feel as though those years and dollars weren't wasted. Of course all of those things could have been acheived and attained without paying over money to a cult. By the way my partner is still self-concious about dancing even when he is blind drunk so not everyone l...

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I couldn't agree more with what has been said, in anything I have watched of JZ whatever she is trying to say could be said in about 30 seconds, the rest of the talk is filler and fluff and lots of stupid expressions and fingers in the air. I actually cannot believe my partner can be bothered listen...

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I would say that it is definitelty the failure of teachers and a school if there is no graduation. Surely the purpose of a school is to have the students attain something not just continue year after year being told they are not good enough to acheive the goals of the school, surely the problem then...

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My opinion (which probably isn't worth much as I have never seen her or her act, except laughable snippets on youtube and the most ridiculous old video of my partner's that was like some sort of rockumentary) is that she is an actor playing a part. Think of those daytime soaps that have been going f...

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It's funny that you mention the Chicken Little story, its the one I always refer to when my RSE partner mentions anything slight doomsdayish. My first response is "the sky is falling in, the sky is falling in" and its the one thing that actually strikes a chord with him.

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when I first met my partner he told me about the Wingmakers, I didn't know it was something the school had reffered him to. I bought him the full set of paintings our first Christmas, which he has in his special room at our house, they are actually quite beautiful but my understanding is that the wh...

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I am very grateful that this doomsday stuff is something my partner doesn't buy into (he did mention once that it might be sensible to put some food away, but I just told him it was ridiculous, if the situation every came about that there was a food shortage, the people with the food would be the on...

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California - thanks for posting, it's always interesting to read different people's experiences of the school and what prompted them to leave. Some are very traumatic, others less so and the more information I have the more I feel I can be there for my partner if the time ever comes that he "wa...

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It's a good question - do I hold out any hopes of my partner leaving the school? I'm not sure, what I do know is that it won't be the instant revalation I thought it might be when I first realised what his beliefs were based on, I was so incredulous that he could actually be part of a cult that I wa...

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California Dreamin - why did you end up leaving the school? As the partner of a member of RSE I am always interested as to what motivates someone to leave?

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I am patient with him because I love him, he has wonderful qualities in him that I probably never post about. Most of the time RSE doesn't encroach on our lives too much. You are right there are billions of men out there, and I am quite happy on my own also but out of the many many men I have met, m...

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Its heartbreaking to watch how my partner beats himself up about his "addictions" I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. In this case addictions are basically emotional reactions - for any of us who have never been in the school these emotions are a normal healthy part of our lives,...

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Thanks Whatcha. You are probably right it is a bit of both. I find a little arrogance quite sexy, its just that my partner is always spouting about not being judgemental then goes ahead and judges everyone! What I have thought in the past is that you can listen to the teachings all you like but huma...

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My RSE partner is always on about not being judgemental but its such a contradiction as he is one of the most judgmental people I know, always criticising people for not adhering to particular rules. He has these really strict rules of behavior and if someone strays outside those boundaries he feels...

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I seem to recollect that this C&E breathing technique was also used to generate the same effects as LSD back in the 70's (this was discussed in the old forum). ie hallucinations which give the person using the technique the false belief that something is actually changing - smoke and mirrors its...

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Thanks Whatcha that was a great post, you certainly didn't offend me, remember us non-Ramsters don't care what JZ/Ramtha says about us because we don't believe and consequently don't care. Also what you said in relation to critical thinking and those moments when it all just doesn't gel with your ow...

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Kryptonite I am in a relationship with a long standing member of RSE. We met a few years ago and he has been a follower of Ramtha for around 20 years. It is very difficult to understand how he can believe this nonsense but reading this forum has helped me enormously in understanding that intelligent...

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Voidgate I know you dont want me to address you but your posts dont bother me personally, why would they? It is pretty clear you are still completely wrapped up in the whole Ramtha thing, you actually believe he existed ????? How does that help anyone reading this message board, to have you rave on ...

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It seems to me Voidgate as though you still believe that Ramtha existed. Can't you see that JZ is just a good actress, where is the evidence that JZ's brain had some sort of anomally that couldn't be explained by anything but chanelling? You are very bitter about JZ, yet you still believe that there...

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Doesn't JZ want this development, surely she manifests only what she wants? Or could it be she just can't create her own reality?

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Glad you like the boots, probably says more about me than any post I've ever written!!! I think its important for people to keep communicating, more than anything this forum is a valuable tool for those who are questioning RSE or who have come to the realisation it is all a scam. Its great that many...

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Is it just me or does everyone else think that messages have slowed down to a crawl since we changed over to the new forum format. It seems to me that a lot of the intimacy and closeness of the old message board has gone. I think its partly because its difficult to pick up where the new posts are, w...

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