The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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I could send a PM but I can't.

David, I am sorry if I accused you of withholding information
re: Virginia's case. Apparently I had no idea what I was talking about.

Kind regards,

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I knew Deborah and Dakota [b]very[/b] well. They were not involved with being staff. They bought their house off one of the former staff members and then sold that house to Ron Reid and moved to Virginia Beach, VA. I do know they spent a bit of time in NC. Dakota was more involved in MLM's and ponzi...

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I'm really so sorry to see that it appears 2 factions that have a similar intent are warring. If there was any way for mediation, I think things could be worked out. Merida has his/her opinion, and stated such. Why it was called deflective when you called for opinions on the matter, I don't know. I ...

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[quote]If you agree with Mike Wright because he is in charge of maintenance, then you MUST AGREE with JZ Knight because she is in charge of the ENTIRE SCHOOL, right?!!?! That would be what your logic dictates.[/quote] no. That would not be my logic. In fact, your suggestion is nothing I would have e...

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freemysoul: honestly, it's not all about me. I am agreeing with MikeW here because he used to be in charge of Maintenance. He would know what is required. I had said, albeit a different way, re: the fire codes. But thanks for the bashing. Love to you too. That's why I choose not to post here much. M...

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Why were they expelled?

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-Moderator Comment- > Please Note < In the interest of keeping the Mikew thread on topic : "Mike Wright RSE Fire & Building Codes" EMF View topic: http://enlightenmefree.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2118 Tree's controversial post and subsequent exchange posting have all been mo...

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Great letter and insight from someone who has left Yelm...the land of the living dead.

May your new life be everything you truly want it to be .... without all those stupid disciplines! :shock:

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Thanks for asking seriously. No...not the wind anymore. But on occassion, if I see I wind chime, my brain monologue goes something like this: "oh. did you see that wind chime?" "yeah. Remember that Lord of the Wind crap?" "oh yeah! But even better, remember we were at so and...

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I just today saw this post.

I have no idea what it is in reference to.

No, I did not receive an e-mail. Nor a PM.

I am sure I do not have the e-mail I started this account with.

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BE STRONG!!

and way to go!!!

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not so close now to the area. But several months last year as well. I just find it fathomless how a 19 yr old can plant a bomb one Monday morning - that is SOOOOO important to Bostonians and New Englanders - Patriots Day- and then go to classes and party like nothing every happened for a few days un...

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oh....and Shocked.

I think of you every night.

I hope all is well every day for you.

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oooooh! I so feel for you with the planting and the wind blowing. -one time, someone told me, "Do it anyway!!" -another person said, "Take your time. Do it when you are able." I am always amazed at the approaches that are suggested. I am of the "take your time " variety...

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just checking in Shocked and hope you are doing well in your recovery.

I am glad you have found the resources and and solace here

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I have been posting with the utmost honest, no vitriol and only facts (especially according to your rules).

I am not lobbied.

You win either way. Well played.

but on an even playing surface, and there will be one with the slander......best of luck.

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Tree, I know you can't help twisting things due to your disorder,

I have been only addressing all the questions you ask of me. I made points about what moderators were thrown of where and when.
I even wished you well.

But this statement is definitely slanderous....

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I have not misrepresented any facts. They are facts as I know them and not spinned in any way from anyone else Cedar, you are missing a few your self. You are only one tiny part of a story. There are several parts( which were explained by the lawyer). I sent you maybe 3 messages to please refer the ...

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Tree, please take a step back, and seek outside assistance for this/these ongoing matters. You have caused a lot of harm here, but do not see it yet. if me telling you to "scroll up" led you to a nervous breakdown (as you mentioned earlier), then I think you should heed your own advice. Y...

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Let me remind everyone that Virginia was kicked out of EMF as a moderator many months ago in the middle of the night, You didn't hear her throwing a temper tantrum about it. Robair was thrown off as moderator on EE "in the middle of the night" and you would have thought he was scalped by n...

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You also do not know what Virginia's lawyer said about you. Cedar- I thought you were legally and professionally advised. Apparently that is not the case, otherwise you would not be stating such inaccuracies. in the future, if you are going to quote me, you should do so accurately. I could go throu...

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and note Cedar, I do not call for actions for you to personally resign from a position, anywhere. you are pointing fingers and flaming with every post, and EMF still allows this. You were contacted by the lawyer for Virginia, yet you still continue to pour gas on the fire. If people did that in Bost...

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Apparently no one read my level headed response above. Several years ago, long before Robair was a moderator here, I was abruptly banned from EMF. I was was fresh out of rse. It was the second worst thing that could have happened to me because my story literally launched EMF. NOT that it could not h...

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If You Live in the Yelm Area - Look out for Lee Nguyen The Thurston County Sheriff’s Office has contacted Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment (RSE) to advise that former student Lee Nguyen has been arrested April 2nd for “breaking and entering” a home, a Class B Felony. The Deputy Sheriff requested RSE...

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Speaking of media attention, someday I would love to see a documentary about RSE... The French Documentary was VERY good until jz had it pulled. (Le fin du monde) produced in 2012 There is one documentary that Showtime owns of an ex RSE student. It cannot be shown until all the legal matters have b...

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"I'm hearing some pretty disturbing things about goings on on EE these days" I would call that hearsay. EE has been SUPER supportive, at least in my experience and outside observation. As Cheryl stated both groups are amazing in their own specific ways. Each person or group who "owns&...

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wtf?! (first reactions) " Once the guy came up on the stage Ramtha gave him the microphone and went over and sat down on the edge of the platform. Then Ram started taunting him saying stuff like, "go on tell the Masters whats on you mind, look at the camera and tell them ass-hole" {th...

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Hello my surviving Shocked :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-IJQtDyRA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXqtRsKdKoc&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=866byihj6tA&feature=endscreen Hoping you have walked some today. Made a very long meal and drank some tea of coffee whi...

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you can also check the original EMF board:

http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... 54&msgid=0

and the thread: To All Prospective Students:
http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... 8&cmd=show

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Shocked- Yes...the aftereffects are BEYOND cruel. I would never, ever wish, what I have been through since my exit (6 years now a couple of days ago) on ANYBODY!! 3 months after I was out, I saw an ant in my sink. I did not know it at the time, but it caused what I now know as an anxiety attack of s...

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p.s. Make sure to communicate and be upfront with your family. Their understanding will just floor you!! My sister had lived right down the street from the main Scientology building in FL when I came out of RSE in Yelm. when I had finally contacted her after 14 years, she (as well as the rest of the...

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One thing that network operators do is to set up real-looking enticing accounts or entire computers containing digitally water marked data and intentionally allow the data to be compromised by hackers. Such a device is called a honey pot. Wouldn't it be amusing if RSE investigators were to find the...

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Thank you for having the courage to post Shocked. - moderator edit - Dear Tree thank you for your post. Until further notice, several paragraphs from your post regarding EE have moved to our moderators forum for consideration of permanent removal. Only read as much as you can at first here. It will ...

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this teaching scared the holy crap out of everyone for weeks!!

later, we were told to burn our notes.

what a crock of sh*& !!

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hang in there and try to ride the waves of depression. If I can do it, YOU can do it!! it REALLY feels like the bottom of the pit....but hang on! if you need to , see if you can't get some meds to help with the very worst times. you just have to keep riding the waves until the waves settle down......

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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/arti ... fraud-case

Lou agreed to a deal just yesterday.....

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Breckan Scott Good news!! The judge granted the motion to quash as to all the info except ip addresses and mac addresses...no personal info, identities, email, phone, etc are subject to disclosure anymore. If they are able to match an ip address to unauthorized access to the live event, then they wi...

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Robert Jones was known as a "fish" in poker circles....meaning, a big donor to others. Jame Flick has one decent year in 2006 with 1 small tournament, one medium buy in tournament, and he paid for his 10K buy in for the WSOP Main Event with his winnings in the medium sized tournament. He n...

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Lou was a die hard commuter. First row. preferred seating- him and his wife. Went to everything. Scammed this guy in VT into 1) giving him lots of $ to fund his UG 2) getting him to be his disciple....while Mac rallied and ponzi schemed his funds to continue going to r$e I spoke with the writer in D...

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^ the above was useless.

here are a couple:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcS35OMK ... e=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcS35OMKk4c

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nice update Roy.

Nice to see and hear about improvements and healing.

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heyV- your going out on a date reminded me of me trying to get jobs after r$e (which I end up not being able to keep more than 2-3 months tops). On my first couple of interviews, they would ask what I did at this JZK, Inc. I later just termed it "high end estate" because I then went on to ...

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Not to mention, Prozac does NOT do well with alcohol.

It leads to suicidal thoughts.

in hindsight, I am with Ockham here.

outlandish for a group leader to be suggesting anti- depressants and then introducing wine.

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oh! you posted while I was posting!! you are sounding a wee bit better. :D yes, it comes in waves. You must ride those waves. It really sucks. Also, that huge hole or void of not having "God" or even 'you' as aspiring to being someone great. POOF. GONE!! BIG BIG HOLE!!! I think that hole i...

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hey V Know that I care. Know that I have been through the same thing. Also know, the moderators have removed my ability to PM others. That is their perogative - it is their site. At any rate, join us on EE via Facebook. As Cheryl said, sign up under an alias if need be. Friend Virginia Coverdale and...

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I have contacted the owner of the videos.
They are working on getting them back up.

That link was "meh".

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There are so many twenty something people in the greater Seattle area who have parents who are still in RSE. I think many do not realize what damage this caused. Many of them drink like sieves and have not grown past the age of 14 when they were exposed to drinking copious amounts of wine in RSE. I ...

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HeyV- Wanted you to know that I felt that exact way (minus feeling stupid under the parent's watchful eye) for my first 3 months out. One day, (after several days of drinking half bottles of Jack D) I decided to call my mom (who is, literally, like Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest. Seriously. Hangers...

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skeptic1 wrote: Blech.

ditto....

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rhiannonj-

you would never recognize RSE now from the Ahk Men Ra days ( I was as well).

it has escalated to something formerly unfathomable.

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heyV first...welcome and I am SOOOO happy you navigated your way to this site. Having said that, you WILL navigate your way o u t. But....it is very difficult and painful. Time, solace, reading & reading (then stopping to absorb because it is too much), more time, talking to ex ramsters (visit t...

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I think r$e is a just a few linear years and a few lawyers behind Scientology.

They do eventually hang themselves.

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very very similar, even in verbiage

I have not heard of John Oliver.

Once on here though, guarantee, jz , Mike W will have a look see

Keep 'em busy

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"upper staff" ....meaning...

jz herself.

she makes all decisions, big and small.
she is WAYY behind the 8 ball in regards to the interwebs, in particular social media as well as SEO

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she knows VERY well, every detail of every day. She has conversations, at LENGTH, with the green leader of the day, with feedback from the students, down to every minute detail. Who said what? What did you hear? How did the students react? And the green leader tells her what she wants to hear. What ...

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This is now marked private.

a) any reason why?
b) is there another link?

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so well said Sunshine and as always :-) freemysoul. I was very good friends with Jeff, and Jan and Jayana. being such a young mother and such a young person in the school....and slowly weaving your way out Sunshine...My heart goes out to you. It is so difficult at times. Some days will be fine, othe...

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....just listening (and reading). Thank you.....

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Thank you for your story awaken. Someone referred me to your post. I think it is very important to understand that because people are very different in how they were raised, what situations, and by their very nature as individuals that first, the road to discoverying that r$se us both a cult and a f...

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Cheryl-

I did not know it was Valerie you were writing about.
She was a very good friend of mine and her boys are still very close friends with my son.

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fascinating story Eddie. Wow. I think most people on the outside could accept a story like yours and even justify the exhorbitant amount of money spent, because your story sounds somewhat rational. Your experience of meeting her in person so reminded me of the Darren Brown videos/tactics. she claims...

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Thank you for your reply David. yes, many people have put in countless hours of work in the aftermath of r$e, and will continue to do so to help their fellow man. Since you stated Shawn Newman does does represent EMF, I am not sure how this information applies of revealing this. It makes this a tad ...

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The other night I was in a fog, barely asleep, and became aware of a rectangular glowing hole in the middle of my ceiling. Amazing! then it winked out. A couple seconds later it happened again, as bright as could be, and my foggy brain finally said, "wait a minute". Maybe that's not a dim...

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Oh, that is so sad to hear. I remember her. Ahhrgh. Around that time, I think, was another woman who killed herself. Days before falling off the rock cliff she sat next to me at a wine ceremony. She got very drunk very early and confessed that she got pregnant and she was sooo upset about that. She...

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Tank , anyone?

pretty funny Rooster

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thank you for your perspective Phoenix

Try living out here in the world, it takes guts

totally.....

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welcome.

and keep reading at your own pace.

there is also the old message board that can be accessed as well.

viewforum.php?f=36

http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... 54&msgid=0

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I hate those mindworms. Any of them. I do love Ayn Rand's logical, methodical approach to things, although I understand there is a fanatical cult of Ayn Rand extremists. People can make cults out of anything: Yoga, theater, psychotherapy, etc it's really amazing and crazy all at the same time :shock:

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Welcome Phoenix :-) Quite the analogy from the icebox to the full boil. I am pretty sure the recovery is the same though. Please take your time to process things and what you read. You will want to read and read and read, and then time to take a break. Feel free to join the EE group as well. I am gl...

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yes, she was blonde, was with Marc H (he acted like James Flick and Fred Lomax- losers who latched onto wealthy women) there was verbal abuse as well as slapping. People do not know there was an argument between Marc and Megan's sister and jz and James that preceded this incident. it's amazing what ...

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I hope both EMF and Virginia have identical documents , especially with Virginia's case being current. What is EMF's plans against jz knight? Well, of course, someone is going to say "it is behind the scenes", but we have to have some movement of some kind. Could both EMF and EE work toget...

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I am experiencing interesting emotions on a daily basis reading all of these posts.. It's like what you feel years and years after a divorce...you don't like what the person did but the love remains from long ago. When I watch the "drunk lady" videos I hurt. Then I laugh, not at what is b...

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I know ramsters who still believe it is going to pay out

nice to know people like Watcher7 are keeping an eye out because most of the
rest of us were brainwashed. It takes a bit of untangling.....

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Not long ago I attempted to post my experiences with Ramtha starting in 1980. I had read the LARSE for a couple of years. Now after reading most of the posts on your website I am so glad that you did not post my writing as I have taken responsibility for having been in denial. This is a powerful st...

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Thanks to George’s email, I came back to dig up residual emotions left within me from the time I left rse a decade ago. I have spent the past few weeks in here reading, reading, reading, learning. I particularly identified with Awaken’s post titled “Hooked by a Celebrity”. My Salma equivalent was T...

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Cheryl-

James Flick has not left the area per se.
He does fully well know what it going on.
He is choosing to do nothing about it and keep his back side clean and glean
his $ from reservetrol endorsements.
He knows a good ticket when he see it ;)

(he is now with someone who is still attending r$e)

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Kathy is alive.
Her husband Gregory May died.

Kathy and Gregory were pretty chummy with jz around that time. a few visits up to the house, etc

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yup, David Hudson was brought in as a speaker to get us all to invest $500 a piece in his creation of the philosophers stone.
I know one woman who drank the lye and is STILL so intensely sick, she is on disability. She is lucky she is still alive.

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I still have one of my original prescriptions from Kathy May during this time period.

But yet we can't prosecute her in any way because of Hippa laws. Insane.
But she only following what scamtha was saying.

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yes, that was Dave Reynolds with the Harrington-Templar scam. jz as ramtha bringing him up on stage praising him for "creating something out of nothing". I sat in the back thinking, "wth? that guy is a scumbag? I know what he does!" Red flag did not poke me enough apparently. :sh...

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(never saw this post before)

thank you SO much Robair!

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Paging Dr. Stupid

this is the best name I have seen for him yet!
great post!

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Rooster wrote:What a heart breaking post. I am am happy to see it has helped another. Deafashell, welcome and Thank you, for your insight.

Well said.

Welcome.

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Thank you Roy and Vanilla for your heartfelt writings.
These inspire me.

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http://www.physicsofchange.com/newsletter1012.html I notice the book is credited as written by Greg Simmons. On your website, you have an Ask Dr. Greg section. Do you have a doctorate? If so, I would suggest using your title on any future books or republications of this one. If you haven't earned yo...

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Good thoughts to your continued, healthy progress and walk through life Vanilla.

Your posts give great insight.

Happy New Year !!

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It's hard to come up with anything remotely brilliant or compassionate that would soothe your heart and soul Hopefully your grandkids, when they wake up (which usually about 14 yrs old) will be very thankful for your being. Bless you and your dear wife this holiday season. (Your daughter's actions m...

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it's like dealing with a drunk. There is no sane way to communicate with them. Draw your boundaries for YOU. do not empathize with the RSE student in any way. It will do no good. Think of ALL the outcomes that would best benefit YOU. Because the RSE student (in just a couple of days, weeks, months -...

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Keep at it RoyGBiv! You are regrounding yourself. It can take time. You are taking back you brain and it takes fortitude!

This will be a long road. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other. Keep going.....

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I remember Roy, standing outside my little cabin 3 months after things came to an abrupt halt in regards to my world views which instantly collided between RSE and the outside world. I was having a nice cup of tea when the wind blew. My body instantly went into a panic and sheer fear. I was technica...

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Thank you Cheryl. I will check out "Drive" as my brain sometimes will, unknowingly to me, reverse back into this gear. As for the kitchen queens smelling the sheets.....that is just bs and jz's paranoia. One time she openly chastized Nancy for deliberately trying to poison her with Nancy's...

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Jingz- your writings/musings made me chuckle. You have such a way to encapsulate what it feels like to be sucked in and then laughing at yourself , especially after the Caterpillar teaching for the umpteenth time!! hahaha! I feel the same way about Seabiscuit (need the barf emoticon!). Anyway, thank...

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try vimeo

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There was one Kerri (who still works in maintenance) at the ranch. She is an Aussie. There was one Karri, who took directives directly from JZ in regards to the dogs, the garden, restoring antiques for the store, painting, the horses, the pool, amongst working with the other Kerri in maintenance. Th...

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freemysoul, thanks for your compassion for all the people I have and will hurt with my attitude, I am sure they (will) appreciate it. But maybe their feelings are none of your business, just maybe. And even more potentially you don't know how a person reacts or responds to my attitude when they are...

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On the tapes I heard that: 1. Masters levitated in the field and disappeared. 2. "Grandmother" bilocated but stopped going to the next level 3. They changed dust into pearls and tennies shoes into feathers. Phill: you say you heard on tape. I can tell you from personal experience IRL, jz ...

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I find it rather amusing and ironic it was Steve K making out with jz as ramtha seeing as he was gay in his life before jz as ramtha set his up with Yael. In the other attendees eyes, it would "look" to them like Steve was making out with the "big Kahuna who has balls of steel." ...

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David- I don't know quite where to post this. But it HAS to be posted and noted. Please move where needed. Posted on (EE) person A: Still got a Japanese student staying with on my property, in fear of days to come, even though he can see I am no longer in that place.......no income, illegal and in f...

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Thank you David. ( bowing emoticon) As I stated in the SUP thread, I understood that was not withstanding. As for Robair, that dinner left a very bad taste in my mouth when I left. That was my experience. Your wife was very sweet. I should have taken the advice of my current partner : not a good ide...

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Robair- I am not here to make myself look important. I took care of more things than you know of at the Ranch. I find your post personally insulting and unprofessional. I, along with the rest of the maintenance department took care of all the Fire documentation. I was present and participatory in al...

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Kelku-

I was on a 7 month sabbatical when you posted.
From a former staff member, thank you for such a honest, moving post regarding your journey.

I hope you have found some semblance of solace here on EMF.

Hugs,

Tree

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anytime I get an email from an old RSE friend, I just send them a link to this webpage. Those that stay in RSE, bark back at me stating, "How can you leave me alone with these people?" I know they are confused. As we all once were. But many fall into the depths of "other" doomsd...

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This was the big news at the time. Every RSE student felt validated that "yes, the masses are now getting it!!" "The legions were coming..." "There will be bombs going off and you will be out doing fieldwork." I do know after this was applied for, she nixed it because i...

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Now what would we do without a sense of humor? Here ya go.. A picture speaks a thousand words...... Dont-Let-Her-Con-You-visit-www.EnlightenMeFree.com.jpg Left Click to Enlarge, Right Click to download and Email to RSE students! well, THIS is brilliant!!! and I did not realize Robert Hoffman was 'l...

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and no, Knight Fire Protection has no connection with jz or her family. From our research....The county/RSE uses a private contractor to conduct those Fire safety inspections.. I will do some digging and post the records / documentation we have on EMF. I am not sure what you are getting at by gettin...

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From our research....The county/RSE uses a private contractor to conduct those Fire safety inspections..

are you talking about Knight Fire Protection? who inspects the fire extinguishers? or the fire pump system ?

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My feeling is the best bet would be to go after RSE on an issue that would not be easy to quickly paper over or feign compliance. That would be the claim that the so-called arena is a 2000 person venue - something that RSE says boldly on its own web site. I can't speak for any architectural changes...

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The #1 Ranking for me in regards to Brainwashing is, "Scamtha is Lord of the Wind". To this day, even though I know its all bogus BS, I "link" the current weather to Scamtha in my brain. I hope this will someday go away. . me too Eddie :cry: it's this kind of stuff that really i...

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I have no personal knowledge of the SUP. I was not aware all the other permitting rests on the shoulders of that SUP. This, and the parking situation, which according to what I have read re: parking in Thurston County would be the crux of the situation. I would imagine the maintenance and business s...

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very moving post OP. And I would VERY much be concerned about your niece. Many many young people, including my son who is 25 and had been in the teachings since age 1, are HUGELY adversely affected. Not to mention all the suicides, murders, and other mayhem. Let's also not forget Sally Paulsen, who ...

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With all of my critical thinking back in order, I have just re-read the entire contents of this agreement. THIS IS ABSURD to agree to this. legally, a lawyer has to know people are brain washed and under duress while signing this piece of crap!! this is really maddening to read this and know that we...

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Does JZ Knight hold a special use permit to provide RV camping with electrical hook-ups on her property? Has JZ Knight obtained permits from Thurston County Public Health & Social Services to operate or allow the operation of the following? -A Mobile Food/Drink Unit for the coffee trailer locat...

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EMF Comment: Does RSE's water system provide adequate flow to its sprinkler systems and when was this last tested or inspected? In the event of power failure, is there provision for water to be pumped/delivered to the sprinkler system? Has the Fire Marshal established the minimum residual pressure?...

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I honestly wish I had seen evidence of this when I first started,
examples like this and Joe Sz 's are truly hard evidence,

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I am sorry for your loss G2G. Truly sorry for people all over the world who have bought into jz's bs It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free - to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representa...

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awesome replies. I agree with Ockham here: It sounds like the Groundog Day crap is just marketing change-up from RSE to try to give people a fresh reason to attend events. I can TOTALLY recall the "go to the dark" teachings that had everyone in total fear. And we were supposed to burn our ...

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lovelight-

good riddance to him.

Very difficult on one hand (the smaller gerbil wheel, if you will)
The best thing for you on the other ( in the grand scheme of things).

my heart goes out to you.
Hugs,

Tree

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thank you Rooster for such a poignant post.
Truly.....

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I am going to throw my two cents in here and say, as David said that the likes of Michael Wright, Gregory Simmons, Stephen Klein, James Flick , Robert Hoffman, Pavel Mikoloski, Miceal Ledwidth and 'others' DO know. I also know that a few teachers on the world tour do NOT know and therefore perpetuat...

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I know that Steve Klein is working on something, I dont if is against you, a friend of me send a E mail about your letter to Steve and he answered that they are working on something, so be ready if something show up.

jz does love the drama.

waiting with popcorn.....

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during the time I attended RSE (19 yrs) as well as having worked there (7 years), a "yellow guard" could not be in school - conflict of interests. Scotty G HAD previously attended RSE but was not attending while employed as a "yellow guard". The policy may have been changed after...

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When a person chooses to leave RSE, they leave behind nearly all of their friends, their ENTIRE social foundation, their support system, their tie to the herd. It is as someone completely pulls the rug out from under your ENTIRE life. It is very difficult. But know that there are other social struct...

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several times during my tenure at RSE, I had the thought to actually take a poll of all the Ramsters. How many of them had been abused as a child, or were children of alcoholics, or some other form that was abusive. I wish I had taken that survey. It is my personal opinion that nearly everyone that ...

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I can only tell you of my son's experience, which he is not willing to share for himself at this time. He was subjected to the school from age 1 until he moved out of the house at age 17. He is now 25. It affected him quite adversely in the drinking dept. He is a recovering alcoholic. He struggles w...

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We stared into our partner's eyes to bond with them for all disciplines.

Some people, via an on line chat, took it a step further with a mirror, but nothing that was specifically taught.

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James knows very well who he is dealing with.
It was a risk he was willing to take.

And ALL Yellow guards have NO affiliation with the school.
They only work there.

Very typical of jz.
Fire someone over a dog
or a waste basket that someone missed the mark on.

So typical.

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I can't IMAGINE what Mr. Wollersheim had to go through all these years.

just mind boggling the stalling tactics in our "expeditious" right to trial in this country.
wth...

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that child, Gatsby, was the twin of the one that survived of Jenny (former kitchen queen) and Jonathon's. Jenny worked like a DOG in the house until her doctor ordered her to stop as the twins needed all the rest they could. And children, even though resilient, still suffer the ramifications of thes...

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as Virginia stated, there are varying stages or degrees of leaving a cult. I think there are varying stages of where people are at who post here. Some think the "old Ramtha" was a sweet, divine being and the "new Ramtha", a very dark Lord or presence. Some who have been schooled ...

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Can anyone shed light on how she predictedthe following events if she is truly a kook? 1. the rise of gold prices 2. election of two president Bushes 3. being attacked on our own land after the second Bush (9/11) 4. absurdly low interest rates the supposed gold prediction was in the original Days t...

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But, I take full responsibility for my actions – because when you go against your inner knowingness, I can blame no one but me. Normally, people with good critical thinking skills as well as a developed emotional component can say this and stand upright. The think is, when it comes to brain washing...

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thank you for the pics of the book David.
yes, I posted about this on the original EMF site when I first left RSE.

JZ later contacted the author and had her name removed from any further batches of the book being made apparently.
But the quotes are in the original version, of which I have a copy.

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of course , to the tongue in cheek

and yes, for her back yard to look "impeccable" whilst turning in all the students' Undergrounds.

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But many people are tearing themselves apart by sitting on the fence. I can only imagine what is happening inside their head with all the people, such as myself, other people who were high profile people, or people who were the 'ol foundations of RSE falling away. My heart goes out to them and hope...

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I still like my bogus theory that Judy's got a secret pot farm in the stand of pines at the back of her property off 93rd Ave.

sorry to burst your bubble

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all of the buildings are permitted on her 14507 property. I know the property inside and out. I was one of only 4-5 people allowed on any part of the premises. but...for JZ to give a list of students and thus turn over to the assessor's office? nice move jz. and then AGAIN to blame David. I am SURE ...

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Ramsters only take on new jobs because they run out of money or current scams.
There is no way your daughter is seeing any kind of light at the end of the RSE tunnel end.

Sorry to say, Sad Grandfather, but you already knew that.

ps I can't believe her husband sold the business! wow.

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great investigation David.

I just wish someone closer to Olympia could follow up.

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right. and since there is no edit button on these forums,
for clarification, James Brandon was his name who was licensed to carry a gun on her property.

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yes, there were two James.

James Flick.

And James in the " yellow guard" security.

This is sad to hear. She must have had a stick caught sideways because those security guys really do their job well.

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OutonaLimb and UKGirl- I hope you are both doing better. I responded in the "From Virginia" thread. I had recently taken a trek. A trip. Actually, I hiked the entire Appalachian Trail. I just summited Mt Katahdin 4 weeks ago today. I hiked the entire thing. And camped. 2184 miles to be exa...

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Dear Virginia- Thank you for writing your experience and story. I have been on a long trip without access to the internet and upon returning, decided to check the EMF site out. I have to say, for the first 3 1/2 years out of the school, I felt that I was in the only "unique" position. I ha...

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RSE is in the middle of an event. Actually, it is coming to a close today. so of course, being the more advancing retreat, no news. This is very typical of an event like this in regards to no news leaking. It was great timing for JZ as she could chalk it up to 'natural causes.' Of course word travel...

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the Charlie Sheen analogy is quite apropo.

If I, as well as everyone else, hadn't been hurt so badly , I find this performance totally laughable now as seen from this view point.

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I know this was possibly posted on the previous EMF website, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3tugG0ch7s&feature=related After having watching the Solidarity with the democracy drunken stupor video I decided to watch this one with Merv Griffin again. Little did I know Merv's producer was Les ...

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Most users ever online was 71 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:41 am

I can hardly wait until this weekend's event

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Wow. This was just yesterday. Think I'll call my friend and get the buzz. CD yes...pray tell oh wait....I predict (that's a joke) a moratorium of silence this weekend as they 'create their new year' because she bashed them a couple of days ago for not doing so (look up Grace's Cycle of Abuse) a) dr...

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it is quite sad to even watch this. I know nearly every one of those people on stage or close up to the stage. and the old timers are really looking very ashen in the face, sullen in the eyes, but their veils are down :roll: aka they are drunk off their a$$ they should question why James Flick left....

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Most users ever online was 70 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:22 pm I find this statistic quite revealing. The more judith hampton knight turns up heat , the more people view EMF. the more she shows her the rise of her sociopathic actions, the more she uses the ruse of Ramtard as an excuse to drink beyond no...

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"Ockham" I wonder if the RSE money managers are out on vacation, and Judy and her circle of friends cooked up the Monday event without management's assistance. don't be fooled. SHE calls the shots. Every single one of them. There will be the occasional "marketing meeting" which ...

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this evenings are called to assure attendance. there is a create your year vom 13 -15. students might got too happy surviving last year despite her predictions. time to scare the shit out of jz's followers again. hitting the nail on the proverbial head. Wow. ya know? one can't see the forest while ...

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ty for posting this ex

Teri Simpson is just trumping up the deck to add more to her coffers of a business.
She'll follow the piper to both of their graves.....

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I would like to address Robair in his most moving and sincere post: I am moved to nearly tears to read your story as I know how much you worked for and on your property and land, how you moved away now with intentions to go back after retirement. And to think there are so so many more hundreds of pe...

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hi ponysong- thank you for your link in your signature. gives a good background of your experience. I had heard of EFT. It worked for a friend of mine but I did not resonate with it at all. Anything at all remotely connected to chakra's, meridian, god, whatever...."You shall not pass!!" LO...

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all the views here I totally agree with. I heard the Deburrs diamond lady is a student. it's an Oppenheimer. CD: your friend who is still in: I find it utterly amazing this could have been me and/or you as well -today-, but fortunately, something clicked or a crack was led open. This is soooo unfort...

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In this case, I am willing to bet she wasn't getting the reaction she wanted from her 'students' and felt the reins slipping away so to speak. So, as she does when she throws out the old "The Sky is Falling!!!!!!!!!!!!" routine, she says something just vague enough to get peoples attentio...

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Looking at these diagrams again, I find myself feeling sad and naive. They recall a time in my life when I thought I was experiencing true joy at the most meaningful level a human could experience. The deception I lived through all of those years still burns deeply -- some days more, some days less...

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[quote="California Dreamin'" A couple of days ago I was in an uncomfortable situation with someone and later, when I was alone and began thinking about the it, I said to myself "blow it out." Yikes! :shock: [/quote] don't you just HATE when that happens??!!! I mean, you're trying...

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I am going to take a stab at trying to answer a few techniques. I would put it under the heading of "Mindfulness". Fortunately, this doctor has not chosen one of jzr's trigger words for the therapy. in my experience though, with both the therapist and the group therapy, there were often ti...

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um..is there a way to subscribe to a thread so I know what I missed?

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CD- I will look them up this afternoon and post them. At first I thought they were totally stupid and elementary. The part where you said about the natural world being tainted by the teachings I totally resonate with. it's crazy crazy hard because even any tree or some bird or some ant can have the ...

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Thank you David and Thank you CD :-) A friend of mine read what I posted and called me. She pointed out that what was really poignant was for family members to realize that getting people out of the group is only the first step. The battle, if you will, begins then. I think Joe posted about a new or...

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I think it is for purely monetary concerns and overlay. First, she is turning the entire "advanced" group into one group because attendance is dwindling in the US. It has been on a decline in the past 7 years in the US, hence the promotional "World Tour"- meaning- gullible people...

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Firstly, what is a "cult"? The word is thrown around very loosely and can simply mean no more than a religious group that one does not like. Anti-cult or "cult-buster" groups tend to be extremely loose with the term, and this is how they arrive at alarming figures like the 3000 ...

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He said he was disappointed with the last teaching,Ramtha apparently said at this teaching, that no gloom and doom is happening. That he will see everyone next Xmas. And that " What do you expect when you guys live in fear" and he also said, " I was just giving you guys what you want...

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the trailer looks very intriguing
and most likely too close to home to be able to watch it.
Although I would love to see it

Glad someone is doing something in mainstream so get some info out into the real world

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Hi Duk- I hope you are doing better now. It has been 5 years and I am still dealing with every kind of anxiety imagineable. of course christmas music has just passed, I just missed "creating my new year"- btw - the first time in 5 years I was not reminded in my own mind that I needed to do...

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Hello. This is Tree. This is an update. It will be 5 years in March (the 30th) when I had the stark and immobilizing realization that I had been a part of a cult for 0ver 19 years. It has a very rough, challenging and sometimes amusing 5 years. Since I last posted I have been diagnosed with PTSD, ac...

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ex- thank you for taking time to put your thoughts together with some help as I know English is not your mother tongue. Thank your friend for helping in the grammar and thank you for searching out for standing and stating so strongly what we all steadfastly hopefully occurs: and that is for regular ...

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When we allow our emotions and personal stances to become bigger than the purpose of the board, the only smiling persons here are jzr and current cult members.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Caterpiller- I do hope the people who were assuaged into investing went the way of your friend. That would speak highly of them. I would think if they saw what your friend did, I think it would raise a red flag as well. I don't know too many people who would sell their soul for 100,000K if they saw ...

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AD said: Some, perhaps as Tree, are not so conscious. lol. Sounds like someone else I once knew telling me how I was/am. um.....I think I know better by now. thank you for your assessments. They are quite off, and I have not assessed you in any such way. Have I labeled this little behavior abusive? ...

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After having started a thread about "Abuse at EMF", David pointed out that "no one is being singled out." yet....in this thread: Tree is at the forefront of this issue, much like a fireman who would rather see the house burn down if he cannot control the fire engine...! So, the s...

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ah

another fine example of the pot calling the kettle black.

many former members form their own groups and become leaders of such.

I rest my case.

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Is there a good 'exit' book?

Take Back Your Life
by Janja Lilich et all

and

I Can't Get Over It ( if it applies)
and
Get Me Outta Here (again, if it applies. If it doesn't apply, need not respond)

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Do you know that she wrote me a letter -- 20 years ago -- because she thought I wasn't grateful enough to HER for my sobriety??? According to her, it was because of her, and her candle focus and meditation that I stopped drinking. and on goes the madness of how people think when infected with the l...

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Maybe we should put an ad for friends and family that know JZ pre-Ramtha to come forward and tell their story. jz, of course, has had them all, including her children and J. O. sign little pieces of paper that state they will never talk about her until 25 years after her death. They sign. She gives...

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK5MH42CQSEOO The following is a post from the above site. The plot thickens. JZ, is this true? Can we verify this? Kathy Alexander is a very very old school, "original" student who actually is an inner circle person where ever she goes (think AMB). Sh...

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Greg S. in Physics of Change newsletter mentioned Conquer yourself 1 oz pure silver coin from Ramtha's pure wisdom collection. several years ago, a lady name Cheryl M minted several coins under the business "Sovereignty Coins." She had the groups names minted on them with several ramtha s...

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maybe you two can use skype as it would be a very long distance call!

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, if someone asked you to put your finger on a 'hot' stove, how would you know whether to do it or not..

I think that is stored under memory.
If you were an amnesiac, you would be prone to alot of finger burns!!

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For ME, if I 'track' a feeling to its origin, I don't get caught up in words of others to give me the interpretation of who I AM....my feeling takes that responsibilty. This is another pause for thought here. I have been observing my dog alot lately because he is going blind due to complications of...

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what I do is just left click on where I want the quote to start, then left click when I want it to stop.
when I paste it, if I do find I want to delete a word, I just highlight THAT particular word,
delete it, then highlight the whole quote again and go up and hit quote.

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What comes first the thought or the feeling? Good question. I think the thought comes first then the brain sends the message to the sensory part of the body. I think this takes a nano second longer to get to the parts of the body involved. But, I think if people had harsh experiences let's say in t...

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highlight what ever it is you want from previous post.
Keep it blue.
Then go up to the little box and click quote.
Whalla

Then go up to the little box and click quote

Tree[/quote]

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.to what extend do people go to protect theire jobs there? very good question ex. as you know, living in Yelm, if you haven't heard horror stories about working there, you are dying to be employed by the best god/goddess ever! :-x I am serious here. People would give their right arm, or run over ot...

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See & E- Red Guard Staff (I'll skip all the various groups, as I've posted on the old board about those) now "Lead" Green Yellow lead... Master Builders The Unseen I am not sure how these terms came about. They were established before I started working there. I do know some came from M...

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ex- they missinformed guided me on a stupied need to know I am hoping I got the gist of your question. If not, ask it another way. Your line here stuck out in my mind like a thorn on bush. It has been my experience that the entire staff runs on a "need to know" basis, which gives rise to t...

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unbound- "Does JZ know that she is doing it or is she just repeating a process that captivated her mind also? ? I will never forget my initial exit counseling with Joe. (3 days) He stated (a very good example of this point is the movie The Wave, based on a true story) "The channel/guru lea...

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Were you still on staff when you left the school? yes. I left in the middle of the night, so to speak. She laid the staff off for 2 months during which I found a better paying job and someone told me about this site. I told the yellow guard I needed a few things, and I took all my ranch gear (think...

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Aging Manson 'Family' members long for freedom http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/30/manson.family.aging/index.html (CNN) -- Susan Atkins is terminally ill; Charles "Tex" Watson is an ordained minister. They and other members of Charles Manson's murderous "family" now shun him. Aft...

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Sorry Tree but knowing what we know about JZ do you really think that she has the capability to Adored anyone but her self. knowing what I know about sociopaths, no. this was just my personal experience. I would say about 90% of my work directives came directly from her. she was always very endeari...

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Tree, no offence to you Smile Maybe you can explain. It comes from the top of the pyramid, right? Smile Cat- I found it very very difficult to be around staff there. That was the biggest stressor working there. I was fortunate enough to make my "office" space quite a distance from the bar...

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AD- Well, me thinks you have been having private conversations with the David and Whatcha and apparently the camp lines are drawn. In the past, I have endeavored to allow and think ramsters might still be people I could deal with on a professional basis. I was mistaken. You were not in the office wi...

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oldone-
Greg is a self dubbed Dr.
He was a marketing guru for Tony Robbins years ago.

Robert Jones was given that bs title by jz acting as ramtha acting as if he had knowledge
of the akashic records.
I have never called him sir. He is anything but a gentleman.

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This is a pattern David which has reared its' head before. I consulted several experts regarding this issue with exiting members and with those people who exit who do not get professional help. As it happened before, and as I said before, I do not have to play in your sand box. I have only stayed fo...

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Tree has, ad nauseum, posted how awful the people of Yelm are, and horribly she's been treated -- That's her experience and perspective, which doesn't include how she's treated people. Leaving ramthaland can be equated, in some ways, as leaving a relationship/a divorce/ yes, I posted about what it ...

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my creative self has this image of a "Ramster"/Instant Manifester driving along an interstate highway at 70 miles an hour and someone tailgates his car then pulls around and cuts back barely missing his cars front end, and the Ramster/Instant Manifester yells "F...k YOU!" -- Ins...

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