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Sad Grandfather

Hi, folks, I have been going through quite an ordeal, and haven't been up to using the computer. Back in 1985, I had some serious fractures of my right femur, and hip. It was all put back together with screws and a rod in the femur,which turns 90 degrees, at the top, with the old hip ball screwed on...

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Thank you, Watcher, for your insight, contribution and thought into my problem. I first found this site right after I discovered that my daughter had been sucked into the cult, and was planning to drag her whole family, including my only 2 grand children into moving to Yelm, and vicinity. I had hope...

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But I thought I'd share some of mine, recently. I guess it must be bad, as I have had 2 calls from my daughter.
http://www.joesue.com/Journal2012/Journal1204.htm

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Well, I haven't signed any contract with Judy, so if those videos were to mysteriously appear in my email, I'd like to see her try to stop me from posting them, and if she doesn't like it, she can send her lawyers to Mississippi, where I doubt they will find the system as friendly as her paid lackey...

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Here's one that someone posted on Facebook. Looked like it was made for here!

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RoyGBiv wrote: The judge called V disingenuous.

I have concluded that Judy owns all the local officials, and that may include this Judge.

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Jingz wrote:(not sure which one is the barf emoticon) lol
Jingz

Here 'ya go.

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How did the election turn out for the officials owned by Judy?

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How can she lose? She tells you you shouldn't even need to lock your doors, BUT if you get robbed, it was YOUR fault because you created it, yourself!

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Thanks! From what she said, I think they would come back, now, since she is doing the ramtha thing online. They first have to sell the house and land they bought out there, and find a place to stay back here. It can be worked out, but will take time. Here's hoping!

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Go get her, Virginia! I got a phone call from my daughter last week saying she was homesick, and wished they hadn't sold their house and land, here. I asked if she was still into ramtha, and she said she was following her online, but not paying to go to the live things. It sounds like she is about r...

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Maybe this will be Judy's final undoing. The only way she can damage Virginia would be with legal expenses, and I wouldn't think she'd need a lawyer to answer Judy's ridiculous accusations. Virginia seems to me to be a pretty sharp lady, so I'd think she could handle it.

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I predicted all those things. Does that make me a channel? What about her predictions of Japan sinking beneath the sea? What about her predictions of a lot of other disasters, to scare people into moving to Yelm? My daughter told me, when she was moving to the Yelm area, that the world would be unde...

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I am writing this as an outsider, with only the experience of having lived for many years. Most of you are probably already aware of these things. Gold has traditionally had value because there is a limited supply, it is pretty to look at, and it does not rust or corrode. It was used as a medium of ...

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I also left a comment on the FB page.

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Yeah, wierd thinking to me, but I have heard it explained before, by others who have had the experience. I don't think any of his employees had to go. Another veterinarian bought his business, the business name and the building, and (I think) kept the same employees, but he went from a successful bu...

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Nope, he's her husband. After she moved out there, with the kids, he went out there for Christmas. Then grand daughter, then 16, said she was tired of it and came home with him. The grandson, then 18, then came in for a visit. I thought it might be working out, until she flew in with a ramster frien...

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I just heard an ad on TV, soliciting people to call California Psychics, for just $1/minute. Now the "psychic" scammers are even advertizing on TV!

Judy has done really well on the internet. Imagine what she might do by advertizing on TV!

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And then - - - - nothing?

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OK, I thought Elvis was a show off, but my wife, who was a couple of years younger really liked him. I learned to like a lot of his songs. He did have a great singing voice.

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I guess I'm just an old fogey. Who the heck is Justin Bieber?

If he's a musician, then that's why I never heard of him. The music that I listen to is mostly over 50 years old.
http://www.joesue.com/Music/

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ex wrote:sg that's insider knowledge. since you do not belong to a cult and don't pay someone for this knowledge you must be a romulan agent.

Darn! Ya got me!

We'll be leaving now!

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No doubt all these ships crowding our upper atmosphere would have to be Romulans and they are "cloaking" so they are invisible.

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Thanks for the advice. I talked to her - mostly listened to her for about a half hour, and didn't once mention ramtha. I had made a deal with her some time back that if she wouldn't mention the ramster cult to me, I wouldn't tell her how stupid it was. She slipped and posted about some other "c...

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My daughter called, yesterday, to say "Happy birthday". I hadn't heard from her for a few months. She said she is going back to school to take a short course in hypnotherapy, so she can supplement their income. I never much believed in hypnosis, but I guess if the "customers" bel...

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The (CPS) Child protective Services in Tumwater, WA, told me directly they have no jurisdiction to investigate RSE because it is a private business. I told the official that we (EMF) have evidence and witnesses of child abuse at RSE, she replied in very terse and cold terms to go to the police. The...

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Just one outsider's opinion about all the bickering about the RCC thread and general religious stuff - - - -

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Well said! I was born and grew up in a fundamentalist church. When I started to question some of the beliefs, I was told to accept what I was told or burn in hell for eternity. It didn't make sense, to me, that we were told that God has infinite love for us, but if we don't accept exactly what we ar...

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Judging from the content of the original letter, and his/her supposition that Judith is actually "channeling" anyone, I find it about as ridiculous as the ramtha concept. :roll: It makes me wonder if this person may have visions of starting his/her own cult by "channeling" Mary, ...

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It must haved been their own fault! Couldn't be the cult leader's fault!

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This is a revial of an old thread, but this just showed up on my Facebook page, saying that my daughter clicked "like" on it. Click Here. It's advertising her new book and saying that it was endorsed by Barbara Marx Hubbard. I think I have heard that name, on here, before. :roll: I couldn'...

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OK, with Carl Sagan! Anyone who debunks Judith's scam is a friend if mine! Sorr, I guess my mind has started to go! I forgot I had previously posted regarding this cult. I reviewed the answers given then and sent them to my grandson.

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Forgive me, Sad Grandfather, if I say, with respect, that you have completely misrepresented the late, great Carl Sagan here. Please see: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan Perhaps I did misrepresent Carl Sagan. I guess I only remembered him in connection with SETI which probably had bonifide scien...

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Hmm! Still no "Edit" button? I was going to edit to say the granddaughter finishes HS next year.

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Anybody familiar with this one? From what he posts on Facebook, it appears that my grandson has escaped from the ramster cult, and may have jumped into something equally ridiculous. From what I could find on Google (not much that made any sense), it involves a world society, where money is replaced ...

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Testing again!

It WORKS!!!!

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Not mine, but it may be just me. Check with others.

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Testing Edit feature.

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No, still no EDIT tab.

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New test.

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Well, the 3 hour limit is fine, but in the test above, I didn't have an Edit tab immediately after posting, so that's why I used the second post to say so. Am I missing something? I have my own Phpbb forum and it's sometimes hard to see what other folks are seeing without signing out. I'm sure that,...

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I don't have an EDIT tab. Has it been discontinued, again? It was a good idea, just to be able to edit typos, and wording errors, if nothing else. I use it a lot on other forums.

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Hmm! Could it be she will hire her own assassin? There must be a lot of angry folks out there who wouldn't mind applying for the job!

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Yes, I can see that once a person is "invested" in the scam, that self delusion may be the easiest way to go. After I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and had been threatened with eternal torture in hell, all my life, it became normal to push any doubt out of mind from pure fear. I resi...

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For enough money you can get an audience with anyone!

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Of course, I haven't had the "benefit" of judy's "enlightenment", but to me the only reality is REALITY. I have only a mere BS degree in mathmetics and science, but I find the whole concept of remote viewing as ridiculous. And if there were beings capable of traveling through tim...

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For those who believe this stuff, please send me a deed to your house and property, and add my name to your bank accounts, since you won't need it any more. :shock: :roll: :evil: But - - - don't come crying and want everything back on Dec 22. Come on, do you really believe it, or not? :mrgreen: :D :...

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I agree with David, and Joe. If you find you are drawn to this stuff, you'd be better off to deep six your computer! It sounds to me, a total outsider, as if you still have just enough of Judy's coolaid in your veins to make you a bit crazy - no offense intended. As I responded to your other post, i...

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Hi, Rooster. I can definitely sympathize. My daughter found "ramtha" on the internet several years ago, and eventually dragged her whole family, including my 2 grandchildren, out to Yelm. I haven't seen any of them in 3 years. I was keeping in contact with them by email and on special occa...

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Sounds like an idea, to me! Let me know if I need to testify!

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They should put these gurus in a cell under guard, so their cohorts can't slip them food and drink, and see how long they can last. That would eliminate the scam factor, and their death would not be a loss to the world.

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Well, I agree that "out of sight, out of mind", is true for most of us outsiders. All my life I had vague knowledge of cults, but always passed it off as just a bunch of wackos. Then when my daughter got into ramtha land and dragged her whole family in with her, it got to be more personal....

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Well, as far as aging and infirmaty, I will be 78 in August. I have had 2 major auto accidents. The last, in 1978 left me a cripple for life. I had 2 helicopter crashes, and 2 plane crashes, all of which I walked away from. I have had cancer twice, the first time in 1987, with 38 radiation treatment...

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I was referring to the leaders of the cults, and not the followers.

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-Moderator comment- This topic has been split from the topic thread 'When JZ dies, then what?' Thank you SG ___________________________________________________________ One question, for Joe, and anyone else - - Do any of these people actually believe their own BS, or are they all just con artists?

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Way to go!

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Thanks, folks! I just had to sneak in a little "graveyard" humor for April Fools day.

Nice photoshop, David.

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Hey, great idea!

we could start our own cult!

Hmm! Now how much should we charge our "students" for their beginner session?

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Perhaps some of you folks from other countries are not familiar with our "April Fools" day, on April 1?

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I have decided that if I can't beat them, I'll join them. Effective today, April 1, I am becoming a ramster.

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Thanks, all, for the "enlightenment". I hope I live to see her get her mind back, but will try to salvage my grand daughter, in the meantime. She is the only member of the family who has never fallen for the ramster BS.

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Has anyone heard of this one? My daughter called awhile back and said she no longer "worshipped" ramtha, but still considered him a wonderful teacher. She said she didn't think she was going to a coming event required to stay "current". I thought she might be getting her mind bac...

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The reason, I think, I have never fallen for a scam like ramtha, is that when I had my religious "crisis", I realized that there is no way for mere humans to have all the answers and knowledge. I also realized that, if there is a higher power, then this power, God, or whatever, certainly d...

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And apparently, they want something to believe in so badly that they don't catch on after the first few are obvious scams?

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I think my daughter was probably a scam victim the first year or two she was out there. She did tell me she was renting space from a woman who had been in the "school" for 30 years. She told me she was paying $2500 monthly for the space, which I thought was ridiculous, even for the west co...

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WHAT INTEGRITY?

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Sounds a lot like Judy Knight, except she hasn't led her followers anywhere. She cons them into coming to her. She probably wouldn't do well in the nomadic life.

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(3) That would seem to include anyone injured in the tank, or doing diciplines and those who relapsed into acoholism or was messed up by the prozac, etc. How about the survivors of the woman killed in her UG, the tank, etc? To sue for fraud, concerning promises of health, wealth, or aging, I guess t...

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I understand this is something you would not participate in Joe, and why should you? A class action lawsuit has not and will not be taken off the EMF table. :idea: David Actually, I would be glad to participate, but I have received no prersonal damage from Judy, which might disqualify me. I have su...

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Maybe if enough former "students", who were harmed by her, were willing to come forward, it might be possible to file a class action lawsuit, and with enough participation, a good lawyer, or team of lawyers might take it on contingency. Unfortunately, it seems that most former students jus...

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I bit on the Amway thing, back in the late '60s. I soon realized that the only people making money were those who got in years before and recruited a large number of sales people. Practically everyone we knew had already been recruited. I learned the recruiting pitch and made a few presentations, bu...

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This brings out something I learned, over the years. There are 2 kinds of people who can't be intimidated. Those with unlimited resources and those with nothing left to lose. This case proves that the latter is the more powerful!

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I suspect any complaint to Thurston County officials is a waste of time, since I think they are all owned, body and soul, by Judy Knight. :-x I called the FBI fraud division in WA after my daughter got involved. The person I talked to said that "enlightenment" had no real meaning, so to sa...

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While I recognized the whole ramster thing as being a total hoax and scam, from the beginning, I have lost my daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren because of it. At this time, the youngest of the family, my grand daughter, who just turned 18, is the only one who has not become involved. She was d...

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A very reasoned explanation. It has certainly worked on my daughter, as she moved to Yelm, and dragged her whole family with her. They are now rapidly going through all their money they got for his businees and their land, which should have been their retirement. :shock: At the rate they are going, ...

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Having been taken by a few card sharks and carnival hucksters, in my younger and more naive days, I can see how it could happen.

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And what gets me, as an outsider, is that no one says, "Show me some of these people who have achieved these things - before I give you my money"!

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Click Here!

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A bit off topic, but Merry Christmas, to all. Turn on the sound, click the link -
http://joesue.com/Misc/Christmas2011.htm

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Sic her on me! I am too stupid to have fear and too skeptical to have any superstition. I am old and retired, no job or business to lose, was never indoctrinated by her fear, am retired military, and have a gun permit. Though I am a 77 year old cripple, I will face her, or her goons, and my .45 will...

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If Judy decides to sue this site, by all means blame it on ME. There is nothing I would enjoy more than being my own lawyer and cross examining her on the stand. I also have little to lose, as I don't think they could attach my Social Security and retirement, and I would enjoy laughing at her while ...

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Go for it! Any kind of negative publicity is GOOD!

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I think our immigration laws have been ignored for several years, except when it benefitted the politicians, like the sham wall. The Dems want to get them amnesty, so they will have a whole new underclass' who they can exploit for their votes, and the Reps want to keep them available for their handl...

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What is it going to take to show her up? Someone paid a ridiculous amount of money to meet, one on one, with Judy posing as ramtha, and then she puts it on the internet for all to see? The "customer" should sue for invasion of privacy!

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Well, there is no "recovery" for me, except maybe getting my family back before my time is up, and that seems unlikely at this time. I would just like to see Judy taken down, by any means possible, to (maybe) open the eyes of her current victims and to put an end to her scam. I realize the...

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If you can get enough people, who have been injured by RSE, to join in a class action suit, it should cost us nothing. If we could get 100 people to enter a class action, asking for 1 million each in compensation, I would think lawyers would be clamoring to take it on contingency, even if they thoug...

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They have a problem in defining cults. Since they use some of the same tactics as RSE, would the nutty Baptist preacher who leads his flock to protest at military funerals qualify? Or for that matter, what about the hell fire and brimstone, preachers scaring young kids half to death with the fear of...

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I am for it. Too bad I am 3000 miles away, and too old and decrepit to stand up and hold a sign, if I was there.

If I can do something on the computer to help I could do that.

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Blame it on ME! I'd like nothing better than some of Judy's thugs to come here and try to harrass me. In Mississippi we have something called the Castle law. If someone is breaking into my home or car, burglarising it, stealing my stuff, threatening me or harrassing me, on my property, I have every ...

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There are 2 kinds of people who don't fear a lawsuit. Those who have unlimited funds and lawyers and those who have nothing left to lose. If you are the later, you can forget lawyers and defend yourself. Then if you get a judgement against you you can laugh at the guy with the judgement, while he ha...

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Thanks, I'll look inti it.

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Here is an email, I just got from my daughter, and my reply. is Judy Knight now connected to this stuff, or is this just another set of crackpots. My reply: Is this some more of Judy Knight's crap, or are you now involved with some other crackpots? ECETI has been around a long time and only the seri...

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Good one!

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David McCarthy wrote:
she probably paid for it....
Yep...
lets see how long it lasts before a local drives over it....
I give it two weeks...
David

Yeah, if I lived nearby I'd likely shoot it full of holes the first night, and then run over it.

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It is just my take, and I went through something similar when I thought my way out of "conventional" religion. Everone, by our very nature, want to have all the answers, and their is an endless supply of gurus who say they can provide them, many like the cult leaders, and some with honorab...

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Thanks David, for that insight. I guess I have faith that everything will work out in the end, but have little faith in the mystical. I do believe there is a "power" that controls the universe, but not that it "created" the universe, since I believe the power (God, if you prefer)...

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And I thought nothing could get more ridiculous than Judy Knight and her ramster scam! Apparently there is a proliferation of frauds and scammers, and an unlimited supply of suckers to fall for their scams. Sorry, folks, I know most of you have been there, but have recovered your minds, or are in th...

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It now appears that cults proliferate like roaches and other pests, and it's too bad we can't just call in an exterminator.

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I do exchage email with her occasionally, but only regarding personal and family things. Since I am in Mississippi and she and the whole family are in WA, I effectively don't have any "family". My wife has moderate Alzheimer's and I am physically disabled to the point of walking with diffi...

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I'm not sure if she is done with RSE, or not, since we agreed to avoid the subject, but I'd think, if she had dumped Judy, she would have told me. The last time she said anything on the subject was that she no longer "worshipped" ramtha, but still thought he was a great teacher. When I com...

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Thanks for that info. Who is the Selacia character? She sounds like a knock off of Judy Knight, but with a different twist. And she only has a council of 12, instead of 13. I don't read all that stuff because it is depressing, and there is nothing I can do about it. The NPIEE seems to be about some ...

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On my daughter's facebook info, she no longer lists the RSE scam, but seems to be involved with other crackpot cults. Here is he list of interests: http://www.facebook.com/#!/ECETI.org http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Selacia-The-Council-of-12/119090911407 http://www.facebook.com/#!/NPIEE.org http:/...

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From my experience with ny daughter, son-in-law and 2 grandchildren, I'd say run as fast as you can to a lawyer. Make sure your funds and your child is safe and get what you can from him to support yourself and your child. You will learn soon enough whether he holds any value in you or your relation...

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Sorry, that starts Wa-a-ay past my bedtime, Central Time, so guess I'll miss it. I wonder if they allow call in questions? Wish I could make a list to ask her!

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Sorry, that starts Wa-a-ay past my bedtime, so guess I'll miss it. I wonder if they allow call in questions?

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Iamgod, so your concept of family would be if you are a drug addict, you should only hang out with other addicts, because they are of "like mind". Ypu seem to agree that you owe minor children something, but not that children owe anything to parents? So though my wife and I spent years bri...

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And people actually watch this crap?

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If I had to pick a silver lining attaching to the cloud that is membership in RSE, it would be the sharing of group values, the mutual support and sense of community it affords to members. I am quite sure the Jim Jones cult had this "sense of community" as well as the Nazi party in 1940 G...

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If I had to pick a silver lining attaching to the cloud that is membership in RSE, it would be the sharing of group values, the mutual support and sense of community it affords to members. I am quite sure the Jim Jones cult had this "sense of community" as well as the Nazi party in 1940 G...

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Despite her assurances that everything she says is proven by science, she is nothing more than the leader of a religious cult, and is pure evil. There is no nut like a religious nut. Not sure she qualifies, since I still believe that it is all a scam, she concocted, but maybe she has started to beli...

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Thanks for your concern. I'm afraid I am not as forgiving as most of the people on this board. My first thought to solve the problem was to take her out myself, but decided I was physically unable to pull it off. I would still celebrate if someone else did it for me, even though her cohorts would li...

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From my brief experience (3 years), nothing works, once the brainwashing is done. By the time I learned what was happening, it was too late. Logic and reason were brushed aside, as just being my ignorance. Family and responsibility were brushed aside as "everyone is responsible only for themsel...

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OK, so what's your plan?

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WofthesunEofthemoon wrote:David, how deeply embarrassing, and what an insult to Islam this footage really is. W.E.

Hmm! I have heard of people having a fatwa issued for their death, for insulting Islam! Maybe we should send this to Al Quida - - - Maybe they already have it. Let them do the dirty work!

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the ramsters that got suckered into this real estate deal... had to cut their losses short (among them apparently my mother who will not talk about the downfall with us mortals, I suppose out of embarassement!) because the local ramthian leader did not have a clear title to the land he was selling....

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adiosmom wrote: (again, I hate to use this hijacked E word)

I can't stand the word either, since it is so ridiculous. I just refer to the character as Judy and the group as the ramster SCAM. I believe those terms are totally accurate.

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Hi, Adios. It has been over 3 years since my daughter, who was supposed to be fairly intelligent and 47 years old, got involved with Judy's cult. She took my 2 grandchildren out there. The grandson (oldest) got hooked and has graduated to other kooky things. The grand-daughter never bought the scam ...

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I'm sure it went like this - - - - No photos are allowed, because I'm making this video and if you want it, you can BUY a copy.

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At the time my daughter got involved with Judy, my son-in-law was a successful veterinarian, looking forward to retirement. His big failing was that he "goes along to get along", so when she moved to Yelm, he was told if he wanted to "keep the family together", he had to sell his...

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I was brought up in a fundamentalist church, where everything depended on accepting what you were told on "faith". They had the ultimate doomsday scenario, which was being tortured by fire in hell for eternity, or living in total bliss in heaven. There was no gray areas, and your only hope...

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Are you required by the court to pay for her addiction? Are there children involved? Time to go to court.

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Thanks, Kensho, I agree. This board has been valuable to me in getting some idea of how the ramster brain works. I think it may do as much good for prevention, as it does for rehabilitation. I wish I had known of this site in time to send a link to my daughter before her mind shut down. Of course, I...

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Well, one difference is that I constantly shake my head when I hear about people getting hooked on drugs. How on earth, with all that is known about drugs, could anyone be stupid enough to get addicted? The ramster addiction is more insidious and understandable since the general public doesn't even ...

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If only my daughter was involved, it would be much easier for me to show patience and just expect that she would eventually figure it out. Since my grandchildren were dragged into it, it is a bit harder to be patient when they are being abused. The grandson got into it, and now is involved in other ...

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Good grief! Just think! If I had forgotten about living an honest life and become a r4eligious con artist, I could now be a trillionaire. This guy was milking millions of suckers from all over the world!

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I am most frustrated that my grandchildren got dragged into the cult thing, and are too far away for me to talk to them. My son-in-law was at home with my granddaughter, who never bought the cult line, when my daughter flew in and gave him the ultimatum, that to "keep the family together",...

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Marie, I guess We have a different perspective than those who have actually been in the cult and escaped. I have, also, been verbally abused when expressing my opinion to my daughter. At it's worst, I considered violence against Judy, but since I am old, crippled and barely able to get around, I kne...

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I am sorry that I may have offended some with my reference to "suckers". I was a sucker MANY times in my life, if I use the definition of "sucker" as one who falls for a SCAM of one kind or another. Each time I fell for some scam, I became a bit more mature, and while I would nev...

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I , too, am waiting for Dec 22, 2012. I plan to contact my daughter again and ask what happened? Are you feeling stupid, yet, for moving 2500 miles, and blowing most of your retirement on a SCAM? Of course Judy has already given them an out because she has told them to concentrate their "powers...

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Strictly as another outsider, I was already in my '70s and had seen many scams. When my daughter got involved and started telling me of all the wonderful things she had "learned" from "ramtha", my reaction was, "That is the most ridiculous, assine, bunch of crap I have ever ...

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Yeah, how does Judy manage to have such a propaganda presense on the internet, bilk people from all over the world, and then NOT get investigated by the press or law enforcement? Could she be buying them off?

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Yeah, if he wanted to tell the whole story, he could get a lot of first hand information from this site. Maybe he's afraid she'll sue him?

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Thanks, I have hopes. The grandson got involved and is now into all kinds of conspiracy theories and junk science. He is starting college at Central Washington, and I hope he gets over it. The granddaughter was dragged out there against her will and I don't think she is , in any way, involved. She h...

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IMO, having never been a ramster, but having studied the ramtha phenomen extensively, since I lost my family to it, the whole thing was a scam, created in the mind of Judy Knight, to get her a following and get her out of the trailer park and into ill gained wealth. I'd have considered her less evil...

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At least your BF can be replaced. I lost my daughter, son-in-law and my only 2 grandchildren to the ramster scam. I still have hope for my granddaughter, whoi was dragged out there against her will and has not accepted Judy Knight's BS.

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Camping has crawled out of his hiding place, and says his calculations were off by 6 months, so get ready for Oct 21. Same song, second verse, and send more money!

I find it depressing that there are enough people stupid enough to send this guy $18 million in 2009!

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Good Grief! It gets more ridiculous all the time!

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Naturally "channels" are jealous of each other. That are competitors in the scam market. It is astounding, to me, that there are enough suckers to go around, but they all seem to be doing quite well. While Camping did not pretend to "channel", I saw a story that his 2009 report o...

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Depends on whether it happens, or not.

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I saw in the paper, today, where the reporters are searching high and low for Camping. His business is closed, and abandoned, as is his home. Could it be that he was the only one raptured? :shock: :roll: OR maybe he's off to the tourist Meccas of the world, spending some of those millions he reporte...

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Well, they could just put some of us old coots in charge. When I was a kid there was no TV, no telephones, no internet and no computers. The products in the grocery store were marked with prices, instead of bar codes. There were no thermostats on wood burning stoves and fireplaces. We heard about th...

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I saw Camping on TV tonight, saying the rapture takes place at 6 PM tomorrow, and rotates around the world to all the time zones. I suggest, if you don't want to participate, then you should head west. If you stay ahead of the rapture, when you cross the international date line, it will be Sunday, a...

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There was a fairly extensive story/study done on the "orb" phrnomrna, showing it to be reflections off dust particles in the air. It was just some more BS manufactured by Judy, to bilk her followers.

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Interesting thread. When you "saw" these things, were you maybe on drugs or inebriated. I am quite skeptical of such things because I got my degree in Mathematics and Science, and I was a Naval Aviator and later a commercial pilot, logging over 13,000 hours of flying time. While I saw a fe...

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The fool proof SCAM. If it doesn't work for you it's your own fault.
That woman is an evil genius.

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RIGHT! Be HAPPY! You have finally reached ENLIGTENMENT! You now know that ramtha is a figment of Judy Knight's imagination, which she turned into a multi-million dollar SCAM! http://joesue.com/Misc/ThumbsUp.gif I still have hopes that MY family members will reach that level of enlightenment, soon. h...

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When someone walks into the doctors office in pain, its excruciating, they haven't sleep comfortably in months, haven't been able to walk, stand, sit, lay, or move much at all without this pain, they go there with the IDEA that this doctor will help them. They make the phone call, set up the appoin...

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hey duk the context of rome is several people have claimed that a sigil is below the altar in rome (david icke interviewed some lady arizona wilder who claimed she attended a sacrifice at the sigil). I'm sure if youreally searched you would fin several people who would claim that space aliens atten...

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My Daddy was a mason and wanted me to participate. I attended the initiation ceremonies and came away thinking it was all a bunch of crap. I never attended another session, but since I was "initiated" 60 years ago, maybe I am tecnically a mason, but only as much as most on this board are s...

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Congratulations on putting it all on the line. While I am only involved as a family member, I am sure it is much easier for me. I originally signed on as Sad Grandfather, so that my daughter wouldn't get her feelings hurt, if she saw this site. I soon discovered that she no longer had "feelings...

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Like my daughter, who has swallowed the whole ramster thing, hook, line and sinker, I believe it takes someone who is looking for answers to unanswerable questions. Therefore, they are open to the techniques used, because they are being told things they want to hear. I am probably the worlds greates...

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Well, does that sort of stuff effect you? I have never had the problem. To me it sounds like they just can't get their thoughts together, are lousy speakers and maybe a bit stupid. No one can control your mind unless YOU allow them to do so.

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At first I thought there was being facetious and satirical. If he/she actually is in this fantasy land, he/she needs some psychological help!

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I think the demise of Judy would be very good, even if a lot of the current crop of suckers continued to believe. At least she wouldn't be out recruiting others. Too bad she didn't die before she sucked my daughter in.

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My beliefs are more along the line that there is probably a higher power running the whole infinite universe. This God didn't have to create the universe since God and the universe are both eternal and infinite. Then man evolved and invented religion, in all its hundreds (thousands?) of forms and th...

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I have skimmed over this thread, and my only comment is, "Why do some people seem to have to have some supernatural crap to believe in? Is it because you lack self confidence, such that you must dream up (or let someone else do it for you), some kind of imaginary beings to run your lives? Do th...

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Surely, no one was taking her seriously - - - except maybe herself?

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Maybe a taxidermist could stuff her and they could all come by weekly to watch for ramtha to speak from the trophy. I'm sure there would be others willing to handle the money.

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If she wants to actually make this production come true,
I'd be happy to ---Moderator Edits--- or whatever else she might need to facilitate her demise.
Her choice!

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And if anyone ever decides to start a class action against her, I would certainly like to help. Of course, I have not suffered direct harm from her other than stealing the minds of my daughter and grandchildren. I would like to shut down her scam.

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Hello Lost In Space I did not ad anything to it,you guys can comment on it,for me it is always a Good day when things like that come up, it will be interesting how JZ will Spin that one. Oldone . Well, didn't I read recently, that she was telling her followers to turn their powers toward changing t...

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California Dreamin' wrote: Where is that barf icon?

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Thanks for your kind thoughts. It has certainly been an "experience"! I'm glad you have been able to keep your perspective. Maybe your ramster will eventually get back his sanity and you can have a life.

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Thanks, for the encouragement. The kids are grandson 19 and grandaughter 16. The boy is into the cult thing, but the girl was not, the last I knew. I am resigned to the fact that I can do absolutely nothing to solve the problems, and that I may not live to see my grandchildren again, except their pi...

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Yes, I was given the same treatment, in that I was told that I was just ignorant since I had not experienced all the things that she had. I always knew she was a bit gullible, but never thought she was stupid enough to fall for Judy's line of bull. I have lived a pretty diverse life and experienced ...

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I am a 76 year old grandfather, not in great health, and my wife has Alzheimer's. Over 3 years ago my daughter "discovered" Ramtha aka Judy Knight, and after flying out there 3 times with my grandchildren, packed up and moved, with the grandkids, leaving my son-in-law with the ultimatum th...

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EMFWebmaster wrote:Again,
where is that danged emoticon I'm searching for?!?! I need to create one of me being sick, because this is how I feel.

Is this it?

You're welcome!

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I have never even considered being in RSE, though my daughter is involved and has dragged her whole family and my only 2 grandchildren into it. Since she got involved, 2 years ago, I have researched and studied the "school" from all angles, including Judy Knight's claims of being supported...

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Yes, that is my take, also. The processes of mind control were used extensively in POW camps in Korea and Viet Nam. Being in the military during that period we were all briefed on the phenomenen and the tecniques used, which included uncomfortable positions for long periods, continuous repititions, ...

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We are on the same side of the fence. I had never even heard of ramtha, until my daughter got involved and took the whole family with her to Yelm. I defer to you on the Eastern religions, since I have not studied them. I have learned much from this site regarding the ramtha scam, and the thinking pr...

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What strikes me about the teachings in this regard is that they seem designed to instill fear. Does anybody want to comment on whether that is deliberate? And why would Ramtha want to instill fear? Fear is one side of the plan of anyone who wishes to control people. It works for various Christian s...

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Be careful. If the number is between 1 and 100, and 100 people take the challenge, there is a mathematical possibility that one of them will get lucky. Why would a true psychic need such a hint. If they are really psychic, any number from 1 to 1 million or any combination of letters should be readil...

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If you let me use my cards, I can get 52 out of 52, 100% of the time. Using an unmarked deck, getting 8 or 10 right occasionally, is within the relm of probability. If you can see through somebody else's cards, fabulous wealth is as near as your friendly casino at the blackjack or poker tables. Do y...

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If you let me use my cards, I can get 52 out of 52, 100% of the time. Using an unmarked deck, getting 8 or 10 right occasionally, is within the relm of probability. If you can see through somebody else's cards, fabulous wealth is as near as your friendly casino at the blackjack or poker tables. Do y...

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Someday, someone will develop a pesticide which is deadly to lawyers and politicians but harmless to humans.

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Well, if it is true, I guess that explaing how Judy can break laws and ignore regulations with abandon. She OWNS those folks!

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You are right to be worried! At least, if it comes to that, you can find a new friend. I lost my whole family to the ramster scam. My daughter, who has always been gullible, went first and took my 2 grandchildren. She is totally brainwashed, at this time, as is my grandson. My granddaughter, at last...

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Thanks for the info. Things get wierder all the time. The last I he4ard from my daughter was a brief call on Thanksgiving day.

In a sense, it was good that it was short, so I was able not to say something that would have gotten me called "ignorant" and precipitated an argument.

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I read some of the link above about "The Draconians and the Paa Tal:"

Are there really people who believe that crap?? That stuff makes ramtha look like pure logic!

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thanks for putting the right math on reading the cards.the other story was about the field were you put your cards up, with a symbol of your choise, at the fence. you r blindfolded and hyperventilate. through focus you r suposed to find your card among the ones from other people. on a blue college ...

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Another type of shill was used by carney operators to hype their fixed games. As a teenager, I would go to carnivals and watch the shill, when things slowed. He would go up to play the game, and since the wheel was controlled by the foot pedal under the table, the shill would start winning and makin...

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Since we don't have the edit feature, please note that, in the above post, "my family is NOT involved" should read "NOW involved".

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I am the visiting heretic, whose only interest here is that most of my living family are now involved in Judy's scam and are contributing to her welfare. As to seeing through the cards, maybe there are people with ESP, though I do not believe such a thing exists. If one person goes through a deck of...

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I didn't read most of the links here as delving too deeply into other people's cults seem to give me a headache. From what I did read, I have two observations. 1. Scientology seems to be different from Judith's cult in that the leaders seem to be egotistical enough to actually believe their own BS, ...

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hey Lothar - is your post an attempt at satire? I think there is a pentagram on the wall -- and there has been human sacrifices for jz's pocketbook for 30 years.... Hmm! Maybe lothar is planning to start his own cult? He does claim to be ramtha's good buddy, but also a great teacher in his own righ...

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About 30 years ago, I went through a transformation, following a major accident, of having all the answers (as given to me by a church), to having NO answers. As I came to have doubts about all their BS, I was threatened with burning in hell for eternity. I came to realize that, since the world is f...

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joe sz wrote:SG If we believe that an objective reality exists beyond the self or self awareness, ...

Perhaps that is where I come up short. I don't think I actually believe there IS a reality beyond my own self awareness.

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Why do people NEED a "teacher" to tell them what to believe? Do they not have a mind of their own? Are they incapable of rational thought? Does this mean I am one of the few rational people left - - - OR am I one of the crazy ones? I guess it all boils down to - define "rational"...

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WIERD!

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I don't read such books because I have always been a skeptic, though I did read a book reccommended by Caterpillar, about Quantum Physics, which I sent on to my grandson who has followed his mother into the ramtha maze. I found the Quantum book interesting because I have a scientific background. I t...

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David McCarthy wrote:RSE victims should accept responsibility for joining RSE...!

Doesn't Judith, er, ramtha teach that everyone is responsible for ALL your own problems, because you were not "enlightened" enough?

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I was just sent this link by a friend who seemed to be impressed: :roll: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html It all sounds so familiar, when compared to all the "facts" my daughter has quoted to me from ramtha's teaching, and the stuff I have picked up here. It would appear,...

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I suspect that within 5 years, my family will also be broke and in financial trouble. My grandchildren will be gone from home by then, and I hope will get away from there and become successful, but I will be very surprised if my daughter and son-in-law are not left to live in poverty, with their ret...

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Furthermore all the focus I did never gave me money so I could improve my daily life. The circustances I lived in where already dreadful at the time. What is the point of all of it when you can't even get a normal reasonable life ? It never gave me employment and it never healed my body despite hug...

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I too am in a "foreign country" where ramthaland is concerned. I live 2000+ miles away, and I have researched this phenomina on the internet, and on this site, but the "reasoning" of the current ramsters just leaves me shaking my head in disbelief!

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I'm going to bed! I get a headache just thinking of people believing this crap!

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OK, it worked that time. Hmm! So how long will it be for them to join? Will it be by 2012, when the world ends? I also refreshed my memory with the link on changing your DNA. Just stop the aging process where ever you like! I guess that's what Judy was doing when she got her facelift? :lol: At least...

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I clicked on your link and got a message that the website delined to show that page. That was quick!

Let's see, if there is a large earthquake every 500 years and it moves 30 centimeters each time, they will be joined WHEN?

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Back a few decades ago, Jean Dixon predicted the end of the world. It didn't happen and she lost credibility. How does Judy get by with false predictions - - - - Oh, right, she gets all her followers to concentrate hard and change the timeline. Then she gets credit for "saving" the world! ...

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I cannot speak as a former ramster, and I guess I have always been a "loner" but I have found that "friends" who belittle you are not friends, and I will tell them to buzz off. I don't have many close friends, but the ones I do have know that like Popeye, the sailor, "I yam ...

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