The EnlightenMeFree (EMF) Online Debate Forum

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David, thank you so much! This site has been my sanctuary to process and discuss my experiences at R$E and my family's continued dedication to JZ's BS. There's a lot of pain, confusion, anger, hatred and frustration I still work through. No one can understand it except people that have been through ...

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Great response Shocked. I know a lot of people can relate. Parapeto, take Shocked's advice. There are no magic potions or mystic enlightenment to be attained. C&E isn't going to unlock an unused portion of your brain giving you magical powers. People have been doing it for 25 years in their sing...

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Multiple people focus on a picture to bring clarity and win the lottery? Bizarre. Maybe I missed the point. https://www.remoteviewdaily.com/ (will ask you to sign into a security system to view, you do not have to) Theosophy, Islam, Scientology, etc, etc etc: People's ability to believe in the absur...

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Forever, thanks for sharing. I remember reading some earlier posts when you discussed your pre-R$E days. You've had some unique circumstances in your life and sorry for being presumptuous but it feels like you're trying to process your history and find out who you are and what you believe. That's un...

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I watched about half the vid and it was informative. This debunk vid was uploaded to youtube in Dec 2012. I remember the R$E initiated fear in 2012. Yelm ATMs kept running out of cash because Ramsters were emptying their accounts. My parents were certain Nibiru was going to wreak havoc on Earth beca...

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I found the book Bounded Choice to be a good read. It explains a lot of the big and subtle reasons it's so difficult for people to leave a cult. You can probably find it cheaper on other sites but here's a link:

http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520240186

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JZ pretending to be Ramtha is a terrible financial advisor. Remember to buy gold, banks are going to fail, the stock market will crash, US dollar will be worthless: all things Ramtha, the enlightened one has claimed since the 80s. The cost of R$E events are just a small part of the road to financial...

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Hey Watcher. The Michael Bolton theory is certainly possible. Overall, I think people who would attend R$E want to believe they are more than the sum of their parts. They feel more has to be out there and believing you're a God and one is attaining secret knowledge and supernatural abilities is cert...

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I watched Going Clear the Scientology documentary. It was very good and there are some similarities with R$E. The members believed they could attain magical powers. Hubbards income stream was more sophisticated than JZ's but Scientology is a much larger organization. It was funny seeing some of the ...

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Cults make you feel like you are doing hard work, when in fact you are scrubbing bathroom floors with a toothbrush. Joe, brilliant analogy. Sorry to be crass but you're polishing a turd over and over again. Ockham once said something along the lines that learning the intricacies of dumpster diving ...

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Yes. According to JZ/Ramtha aliens were everywhere. There were bad and evil, dangerous aliens. There were invisible ships above the ranch during events. There were alien ships hiding above the clouds over Mt. Rainier. See the swirly clouds over Mt. Rainier? Yes, that's proof there's an alien ship. T...

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For sure, JZ would never ever submit to questions unless they came from a trusted source or were predetermined.

Why would she? She already has a franchise set up with a loyal, paying customer base.

Thanks Joe.

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Hey Joe. I read your How to test a Channel post. I heard you discuss it at the Millersylvania park video as well. I don't presume to have knowledge anywhere close to your level in theosophy or cults but couldn't you break it down further and make the test easier? JZ has a mic in her ear. I've seen h...

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Thanks for the insight forever. I'm assuming my niece will rebel when she's older. Hopefully, it's not done in an unhealthy way.

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Seeing my niece in the video is deeply upsetting. It's painful to watch my niece interact with non-R$E kids. She talks about focus, blessing food, and things like being outside her body. As you can imagine, these topics are not well received and confusing to other children. Without supplemental scho...

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That's a great, well researched article. It upsets me for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of history there that hits really close to home. The late 80s were so full of fear and dread for me because my parents were and unfortunately still are fully entrenched in R$E. I was 16 and thought there was no...

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Mafu needs money too.

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Forever, I never recall JZ acting as Ramtha ever mention having a teacher while I attended. When I was there, nature, the power of observation and contemplation were claimed to be Ramtha's teachers. Ramtha was slain and remained on a rock for 7 years. Insert reason and common sense: There must have ...

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I've had many interactions with chiropractor Joe and he's a congenial guy. I like him. I guess he's using his skill set to cash in on some bigger $$$. Why only get $40 per person, one at a time when you can get $1200? Wine ceremonies: Forever, I've discussed this in several other posts and apologize...

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Forever, nice job. Many people have commented that JZ got a good deal of her original material from that book. I'm looking forward to your book report. I've been trying to make time to completely dissect the book "Last Waltz of the Tyrants". It's essentially a transcript of JZ's made up fr...

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Ramtha is not real. JZ created this character for her own reasons (adulation/$$$$).

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Congrats forever. You're turning the corner and using logic. It's important to ask logic based questions. Extraordinary claims require proof. With R$E, there is none. I know quite a few long timers (20 yrs plus). They don't have any amazing or magical skills. They don't have fabulous wealth or radia...

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Rooster, interesting. How large were horses 35,000 years ago compared to modern day horses or donkeys. Also, how tall did JZ's pretend friend claim to be? 7ft comes to mind but I don't know if that's accurate.

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Mindstate, you've been through a traumatic experience and you're on the other side. It will take time to heal. In addition to letting thoughts and emotions pour out, read and contemplate others experiences noted in older posts. I think the majority of us that have been away from R$E for an extended ...

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Back to the thread title: yes, JZ's actions are wrong. They're very wrong. At their base, it's a desire for money and adulation with complete disregard for others. JZ is evil. How else could one be so callous as to encourage followers to leave their lives in order follow her? So many people have bee...

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Hey Forever. Dr. Gregg answered that question. He said something along the lines that someone called him Dr. and it stuck. He does not hold the credentials of Dr. from an accredited university. To his credit, he admitted it when directly asked. I don't know that Mr. Simmons could actually earn a doc...

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I'd love to listen to the JZ "channeling" Jesus tape. My parents have it somewhere along with a ton of other R$E crap.

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Shocked,

Hope all is well. Hey. Now it's your turn for you to provide some humor. What did Alex say about the Kennedy assassination? It was so top secret he had to have the video feed stopped while he shared the top secret alien provided info about Kennedy. Just curious. Thanks.

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Hey Lost in Space. I wrote about the Lemuria topic a while ago. Here's the link http://enlightenmefree.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2127 35,000 years is nothing in geologic time. Geologists universally state that Lemuria and Mu never existed. JZ acting as Ramtha has also claimed to be from a l...

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I watched a good portion of it. Hilarious but sad people believe it. The speech was in 1996. According to Alex who was speaking directly with aliens (Andromedans); within the next year, the US government was going to completely unravel. OMG. Oh wait. It's 2015 and that didn't happen. 100,000 childre...

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Thanks Joe. I googled Ruanel and read some of his other insightful interviews. OMG!!! Snake Oil "Channelers" love aliens. It's hilarious. I remember in the early 90s, JZ aka Ramtha would try and instill so much fear around aliens. In retrospect, it's funny. Unfortunately, people believe it...

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Sera, thanks for posting. I can tell you with 100% certainty there are only a few financial winners at R$E and they're all on staff. My parents do the exact same thing you do. They're elated when they win and then don't understand why their focus and teachings failed them when they lose. Actually, t...

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MindState, thanks for joining and posting on EMF. Most of us on EMF have either gone to RSE or have family that's involved. I check both of those boxes. You seem to focus (no pun intended) on the card work. Did you just dismiss JZ/RAM's doomsday teachings (aliens, dark planet, japan, tidal waves, et...

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I was thinking this a year or two ago when Mike Wright started posting about R$E's compliance with fire/building codes and in so many words called EMF members too dumb to understand. He was pretty condescending and came across as pretty pompous like any good internet troll would. Considering Mike ha...

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Rooster, thanks for the post. Yes, dealing with our own experiences in R$E and being exposed to it from a young age by our parents has been difficult to work through. You and I both still have to deal with the fallout from our families still being involved with JZ's sham. Didn't your folks work in t...

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I don't live in Yelm but an acquaintance who has business dealings in the booming metropolis, told me they heard JZ was moving to Chicago. This person has zero affiliation with R$E. However, the info was relayed from a business person in the community that has a lot of contact with Ramsters and the ...

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Happy New Year Rooster, David and the rest of the EMF family.

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12/11/2014 Ramtha is wreaking havoc all over Western Washington and knocking down trees and leaving thousands without power. The National Weather Service recorded Ramtha gusts of 48 mph at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport Thursday night, but flight delays have not yet been reported. Ramtha speed...

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Congrats on your progress Cali Dreaming. Once you feel you're in a place where R$E is 95% (i don't think any of us will ever be 100%) in the rearview mirror, consider coming here on occasion to help others through their struggles. If I didn't have family actively involved, it wouldn't continue to bo...

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FreeNow, Guruphiliac sounds like a condition. Are you referring to a specific person/guru? The quote from a guru points out a very big red flag at R$E which is JZ's physical transformation over the years. People will argue she's only a participant like everyone else and not a christ. From his/her ve...

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I agree. It is disgusting.

Remember, prior to wine ceremonies, prozak and tobacco use, JZ, acting as Ramtha, clearly stated alcohol and drugs kill the new brain you're awakening with the breath (C&E).

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This is just one of many examples but on 3/31/2011 JZ, acting as Ramtha, told her audience to pull all money out of the stock market and banks. Use those funds to go to the highest mountain away from prevailing winds and tsunami waves and build an underground. I'm paraphrasing the last part but that...

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Check out this article about how to quack proof yourself. It's not targeting cults but quacks in general. Congrats JZ. You are definitely a classic quack. Buyer beware. http://www.skepticalob.com/2014/05/six-red-flags-you-need-to-recognize-to-quack-proof-yourself.html secret knowledge conspiracies f...

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Rooster, I love it when humor and logic intersect. Thanks for the laugh.

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Hey David. We're thinking of you. I'm sorry it worked out the way it did but completely understand your actions.

Best of luck and keep up the good fight.

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HA HA.

JZ, when I think of you, I definitely think of the C-word.

Example:

How could anyone be such a gigantic, self absorbed, evil "C-word"?

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Great video. I'm glad someone else remembered JZ aka Ramtha stating that alcohol and drugs kill the new brain being created/reawakened by the disciplines, in particular C&E. I remember he/she stating it with 100% certainty because my reaction was "$H!!!!!T, I love beer". However, I was...

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Rooster, please share what you've heard.

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We survived the great changes JZ/Ramtha prophesized at the end of 2012 and then 2013. According to Dr. Gregg, aka Dr. Stupid, 2013 was what JZ/Ramtha really meant to prepare for. Dr. Stupid quote: For the past several years, Ramtha has had us focus on ‘2013.’ We focused on this 2013 card during many...

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There was never a fire drill at any of the events I attended nor were there any safety related instructions provided.

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Sorry. To directly answer your two questions: The arena was full. This was back in the day when the floor was dirt. I would guess 1990. I don't know the capacity back then. I can't say for sure if candles were sold at R$E. I never purchased any there. Hey David. I'm thinking of you and hope you are ...

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I don't recall if it was a beginner's follow up or a week long event. The lights in the arena would be turned off with the exception of maybe a dim light or two back by the bathrooms. The candles were on the stage and raised. There may have been multiple sets of candles. I don't recall 100% but I wa...

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I did the candle focus at R$E events and at home. You probably know the process but for those who don't; you take two candles a short distance apart, maybe a foot or so, and focus/stare at them until they become one flame. This is done in the dark while sitting on your pillow. You are to be still an...

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At one of the events I attended, JZ acting as Ramtha ridiculed people for spending time bouncing a ball and putting it through a circle. The breath is the real work masters. Concern yourself not with pursuits not in line with your enlightenment.

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Funny. I don't remember Mike from my time at R$E. He comes across as a condescending know it all jerk in this thread. The fact that he has to lie about his credentials is hilarious and makes him appear like a intellectually insecure mental midget. Good stuff. Maybe he rationalizes the lies with &quo...

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Aliens, Orbs, Government takeover, The Great White Brotherhood, Nibiru, A land called Mu, Channeling, Magical healing, levitation, projection, Mothman, time travel, hollow earth, card reading If you believe in Ramtha and therefore buy into the notion JZ's body is taken over by a God, you must believ...

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Any recent scare mongering on this topic? Years ago this was brought up and R$E folks wanted cars from the 60s and 70s to avoid EMP pulses killing their transportation to the ranch. Anything new on this? I heard some discussions but didn't know if it was just bringing up old gloom and doom.

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OMG. Wake up and smell the BS!

Ramsters, buy this children's scientific method flow chart and hang it in your trailer.

http://www.teachersparadise.com/c/chart ... -8928.html

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Provided R$E doesn't have a Heaven's Gate or Jonestown type ending, this would be great news. Then, we'd have to see how we can help our indoctrinated friends and relatives. I'm sure JZ doesn't care about anything other than the loss of a revenue stream and worship but a lot of Ramsters are going to...

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James Randi is great. If you're not familiar with him, go to YouTube. He would have a field day scientifically debunking Ramtha and every magical claim made by R$E.

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Good read. R$E members think their movement is so unique. It turns out, JZ is just one BS vendor in a very constipated marketplace.

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I don't normally speak ill of the dead but Sylvia Browne was a horrible person. She was a self proclaimed psychic and according to her could communicate with the dead. She would prey on people's grief and naivete. Good riddance Sylvia. There are people that contribute to the world and society at lar...

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FreeNow, I really liked your statment: I pay no attention to fear porn anymore from any source. It just keeps me in a state of agitation and poor decision making. RSE member's lives are saturated with fear. They don't recognize it but from any outsider it's plain to see. Those of us that were a part...

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A negative ET? Uhhhh no. Ramtha is the character played by an old woman named JZ.

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Right on Shocked. Congrats on embracing your life again after the RSE detour.

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Bummer. I was looking forward to a good laugh.

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Congrats David and thanks for all the good work you do.

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I remember the bar orbs because my Dad told me about them. I play guitar in bars on occasion and was warned. I think about this and it makes me half sick knowing he believes it. He showed up one time to see a band I was playing with and he was all dressed up in this weird disguise. I don't know if h...

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Here's the wrap up by the host of the show. He can't be more than 20. It's so convincing. Didn't JZ/Ramtha blame a light going out during an event on Mothman? Funny. http://www.aetv.com/classic/video/ryan-s-recap-mothman-17081198?seriesfilter=Paranormal%20State Mothman, I don't believe you exist. I ...

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I've seen this before but was it definitely worth another view. thanks for posting.

I love when common sense is applied to the ridiculous.

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Broach the subject of the ridiculousness of Ramtha and expect to hear; that's your truth. It's a really stupid argument but the indoctrinated feel like slam dunk, case closed. There are truths and absolutes in this world. Your personal belief or faith is irrelevant. Truth: Ramtha isn't real. JZ crea...

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Ockham,
Nail. Head. BOOM

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Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly: Virginia signed the conditions of participation contract. Whether actively participating in R$E or not, Virginia is bound to the contract and therefore can not release proprietary information about R$E to the general public. There is also the issue of c...

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I feel like I'm eavesdropping but I wish you two could share more info. It sounds fascinating. The late 80s - early 90s was a weird time in Ramthaville.

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Real letter? Did Ed Snowden's father really misspell his own last name (Showden)? I'm not a Snowden fan nor am I an advocate of unlawful search and seizure or privacy breaches. In this case, I try and look at it logically. From my perspective, here's what is taking place. Metadata is maintained on p...

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Is Miceal Ledwith still at the Pheonix Rising school?

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Ockham, you're right. I didn't even consider the ice age. The planet was on the tail end of an ice age which had the most dramatic ice encroachment. This reduced the human population. At different times, JZ as Ramtha has claimed to be from both Lemuria and Mu. According to accredited scientists, nei...

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Sometimes, JZ acting as Ramtha, claims to be from Lemuria and at least on one occasion, claimed to be from Mu. Both are hypothetical lost continents. Their authenticity has been debunked. Know you what are termed as scientists entity? However, Mu was supposed to be in the Pacific/Indian ocean accord...

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Great review of the White Book. Thanks for posting. Maybe I'll make that my next read. I'm currently re-reading Last Waltz of the Tyrants which I purchased for $.01 (not kidding). Time permitting, I'm going to write a full book report on it.

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Ramtha (ie JZ) threatens: "I will bring you down." This is a true statement. Ramtha will bring you down. All fear Ramtha, the enlightened one. Don't fear Ramtha in the way this threat was intended. Ramtha has no power because Ramtha doesn't exist. However, if you stay in R$E Inc, Ramtha, a...

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Just ordered. I'm looking forward to reading it.

Thanks Joe

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I just ordered Last Waltz of the Tyrants. I'm sure I read it way back when. It should be comical and reinforce what a horrible prognosticator JZ...errrr I mean Ramtha, the nonexistent one is.

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Tree said: we were sitting in the back yard by the bon fire and the wind blew, then the wind chimes blew, and then someone said, ' oh. The Ram is paying us a visit.' And then the other people drinking wine would declare,"SO BE IT! TO LIFE!" Ha ha. Tree, could you pass the vomit bucket plea...

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Shocked, good points. Our situations were a little different and I understand your point of view. I was indoctrinated as a young person but only attended R$E for a year and a half or two at the most. I gave up a lot too during those times and my life took a very different course than it would have h...

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Eddie and Tree, are you still haunted with thoughts of Ramtha being the wind. It's tough to let that crazy stuff go isn't it. If any current R$E students are reading this, Ramtha doesn't exist and in no way impacts the wind. The sun warms the earth unevenly due to land, bodies of water and the shape...

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Hey Elizabeth. Welcome and thank you. Isn't it awesome when you break away from fearing doubt and logic as being your monkey mind trying to keep you from reaching your potential. When you don't have logic and critical thinking abilities, it allows one to stay ensnared in predatory groups like the R$...

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Hey Joe. Sorry about your dog. They're such great buddies and a big part of the family. Remember the good times. Vitriol: I'm in the same boat as Rooster. If I had found RSE on my own and decided to participate of my own volition, I would feel differently. If I didn't have to watch my parents WASTE ...

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RIP Sad Grandfather.

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Did you believe in Ramtha? Unfortunately, I would have to say yes I did believe in Ramtha for a short time. I was always skeptical and felt uneasy about the concept of channeling and had doubts about the existence of Ramtha. However, for a time, I suspended disbelief and really tried to embrace the...

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Sunshine, please accept my apology. I should have started a new paragraph when asking current RSE Inc members/believers to omit their children from their fear based lives. Sorry. It was a general statement and in no way meant to be directed at you personally. I"m sorry about your son. It will w...

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Sunshine, I didn't know you were an adolescent R$E victim. If you're currently attending RSE Inc. and have kids, DON'T fill their heads with all the JZ doomsday crap. It's brutal. They're trying to figure out who they are, their future, how the world works, etc. They don't need to feel a constant st...

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I remember my parents talking about this. If I recall, aliens were in the hollow earth. I remember being shown a "picture" of the hollow north/south poles. Scientists and the government know the truth but they're keeping it from us. Uhhhhhhh. Good times. It was awesome being 16 or 17 and b...

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Hey, congrats HeyV. You're definitely turning a corner and making progress. Keep it up! It's all going to be OK.

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He's not as polished or engaging as JZ is but dammnnnnn he has his RRRRRRRRRRRs down. Roll that RRRRR Jerhoam. It's as ridiculous as RSE but he needs to spend time on his BS channeling voice. I need to apologize to everyone for giving JZ a compliment. JZ, you're still a horrible horrible snake oil s...

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Thanks for posting those quotes Joe. I like to see things like that because it reminds me of the bat$hi! crazy place i was in for a few years. It also makes me appreciate where I am now. I recognize those quotes as complete ridiculous nonsense. However, JZ aka Ramtha ramblings like that caused a lot...

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newshoes, Wow, 26 years. I'm sure you know my family. They've been in probably 24. They're a little surprised they're not Christs yet. If they just did disciplines a little bit longer, they'd be able to manifest a piece of lint. Sorry you were in for so long but congrats on getting out. I know it's ...

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Jerrene aka aquariel, I found humor in your post and must congratulate you on becoming a Christ. The amazing powers you posses sound extraordinary. You have visions and can heal the sick? I would assume you can also levitate and manifest physical objects with just your thoughts. I'd love to see a de...

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Shocked, you couldn't be more accurate.

Definition of ridiculous: Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd, preposterous, or silly. See Synonyms at foolish.

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Soteriou created a pretty bad day for himself. Every time you feel the wind in your prison cell, know it is Ramtha the enlightened one reaching out to you......or it may be a prison guard doing his rounds. So be it. Turn to your cellmate and explain how you manifested fabulous wealth.

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Omg. Hilarious.

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Way to go Virginia.

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Thanks Joe. Good read. If RSE Inc members tested their RSE abilities in a scientifically controlled environment, they would quickly find out they have no special powers. If common sense was used, they would deduce they have no special powers.

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Thanks for the reminder Free. I do remember being told the star of Bethlehem was a spaceship but had forgotten about the Great White Brotherhood, which JZ is a proud card carying member of, gave their DNA to create Jesus. Uhhhhh. I completely agree with the rest of your post. What were we thinking???

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Freemysoul: I missed the co-creator of Jesus Christ "teaching". Could you elaborate? I know JZ pretended to channel Jesus. My folks had the casette. I bet they still do somewhere. That would be hilarious to listen to.

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Hey Derrick. Thanks for posting. It was a tough story to read. I'm sorry for your situation. We're all slightly different versions of RSE Inc collateral damage. Do your best to maintain a relationship with your son. He's going to need a sane parent.

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Comments on Birth of Innocence by producer/editor: Horace Williams Jr Good writers report things in error sometimes, and their stories can often have critical omissions. I'd like to correct and append the public record. The trustee's name in Mac Parker's involuntary bankruptcy case is Douglas Wolins...

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freemysoul: I like where your head is at. Very nice post!

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Soteriou sounds as if he was living the teachings. Because of RSE Inc, he was fully expecting to do all of the crazy things he's taught he can do like ascend, move through walls, move through time, remote view, etc etc etc. He was "manifesting" $$ via Parker to continue his research/spirit...

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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130325/NEWS02/303250002/The-Mac-Parker-saga-The-secret-partner If Mac's explation sounds nuts to you, you're in a good place. Of course, we know the origins of what he's talking about but what do you think the people in the room are thinking during the in...

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Saying you won money gambling means nothing. What are your net winnings?

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Retiring? When you live the teachings like Dr. Greg does, you don't age. He obviously hasn't. He doesn't look a day over 21. JZ too. Wow. She is gorgeous with that beer belly and nice taught facial skin. So, why would Greg retire? Maybe he's about to ascend. It only takes 7 years to become a fully r...

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If EMF helped dissuade the "Dr." from dispensing ridiculous fear mongering advice, that would make me very happy.

If logic is compared to just about everything that comes out of RSE Inc, the ridiculousness of it is so obvious. Keep fighting the good fight everyone.

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Original Question: I want to know if we had the alignment on the 21st? Are some students missing? Disappointment is what we felt. No lights or warping in the sky. Nothing of what the Ram said happened. I move away from my home 1 year ago based on Ramtha's predictions, left family and friends to go t...

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This is yet another red flag pointing out the obvious. Ramtha isn't real and the "school" is in the business of maintaining a revenue stream.

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HeyV, be strong. Get through this. Your son needs you. You're important and you life matters to more people than you know. If you're feeling like you're going to do something, please seek help. Go to an emergency room if you have to. Set up some time with a counselor. It would be good to pour all yo...

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Thanks for the post Sunshine. Parents in "the school" have a huge impact on impressionable young people looking to them to point them in the right direction. Thanks for the post. It hit home. I know Rooster can relate to it. You may want to reach out to her. You've had some common experien...

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HeyV, welcome. I'm really sorry you're feeling the way you are but at least you're not still on the inside with blinders on. Now you know the truth and can move on with your life but do so with more knowledge about the world and people like JZ that take advantage of others for their gain. She's a ho...

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I never read this post before. It's so sad. I think I may remember Ed. There was a big family that would show up at events in a beat up old station wagon. This was around 90 or 91. I wonder if that was him. I remember people saying oh, the "can't remember name" family is here. Reading his ...

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Ok. I get what she's doing. She doesn't want to share any of the proceeds with any underlings spreading the BS. Did everyone have to sign this to go into an event? This was way after my time and I know I never signed anything like this. Excuse me for one moment. I need to explore the freedom that go...

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My Mom was a big Edgar Cacye fan/follower as well. I was too young to really get a feel for the particulars but it was a springboard into crazyville for my Mom and my family. Thanks Edgar. I believe the don't go to the light teaching at RSE Inc was after I left. However, my dad said Ramtha warned ev...

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Maybe I'm way off base here but I think its perfectly OK to not forgive people. There are people that bring beauty, art, music, science to the world. There are people that give of themselves and help others. JZ is not a giver nor does she bring anything positive to the world. She is a user. Many peo...

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There are some software packages out there that may do the bulk of the work for you. Examples: Dragon and Cogi

I've never used either. So, I can't attest to their accuracy. Cogi has a free 30 day trial.

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Kenny is no more supernatural than SkoobyDoo

Rip off mask at the end of every Scooby Doo episode: Kenny and JZ would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

Kenny's "skills" are a total joke.

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If anyone, including Kenny, feels they have some supernatural ability, let's test it out. If you can pass a mutually agreed upon set of tests in a safe/non-threatening environment, I'll give you cash or pay for your next RSE Inc event. In return, I get to video an interview and the results of the te...

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Hey Sunshine. Welcome and I'm so sorry your youth and then your family were so adversely affected by RSE. Several people on this site have had similar experiences. Feel free to ask questions. There are no dumb questions only dumb cult leaders. In one way or another, we're all JZ's collateral damage....

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Hey enchanted. I think you're looking for ways to justify who JZ is and her actions over the years. Her charade may have started innocently but it grew into a cult that has hurt a lot of people. At least now JZ's exterior matches the ugliness that resides within.

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Eddie. Congrats!!! Great news.

Vanilla, that's a sad story. FU JZ. You've destroyed so many families and hurt so many people with your BS.

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Pheonix wrote: No, I can not levitate,or dematerialize,or any number of magical things, Welcome. Don't for a second think anyone who has ever attended RSE Inc can levitate, dematerialize or do anything out of the ordinary. They can't. On this site, I have offered $$$ multiple times for any RSE Inc s...

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Ramtha, Lemurian's #1 used horse salesman. "What's it gonna take for you to ascend on this horse today?"

Omg, it's all so Fing dumb but I can't laugh about it.

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Thanks for posting Caterpillar and great points Vanilla. Yet another situation making it painfully obvious Ramtha is 100% bull$}#%. Why would a Christ here to enlighten people care about a persons finances? Coincidentally, JZ would befit from the transaction. Hmmm. I've said it before and it's almos...

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I hadn't seen "Dr." Gregg's site until last month. On it, he answers questions from people seeking advice. His ridiculous responses can't go on without being challenged. Below I'll list a few questions posed to the "Dr.". I'll list his response and then Dr. Seriously will give it...

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Sorry. I didn't see this was posted in the laughter section. Feel free to disregard my previous comment.

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the politicians are evil reptilians, one world order, conspiracy theory galore days Freemysoul, your post was great. My youth was filled with so much illogical fear and anxiety. Unfortunately, I was too young to realize it was so stupid. "Our politicians are aliens." Really????? Unfortuna...

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So, your friend perceived aliens actually visited him and he held conversations with them? Was this in a dream? Hopefully, your friend doesn't actually believe this. If so, he probably needs some professional help.

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Sorry you're going through this Vanilla. You're a good person. Time will heal and you'll be in a much better place.

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I would bet my entire 401k the CIA is not involved. JZ likes money which allows her to own a mansion, have a staff, drive a Rolls Royce, etc. JZ likes adoration . She has thousands of people treating her like a god and hanging on her every word. She has lackeys like "Dr." Greg and others k...

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Hey Rooster and Vanilla. I was reviewing some older posts. Yes, RSE Inc is a cult and JZ has ruined many lives and families in her pursuit of adoration and $$$. Rooster, I also lament the destruction of spirit that has taken place in my family. I was at my parents for Christmas Eve and my Dad mentio...

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Roy, I'm really proud of your accomplishments. You haven't been out very long and you thought through the scenario very logically. No offense FreeNow but listen to Roy. My family has been in a long time and there's no way they would look at the proposed questions and respond like Roy did. I know I w...

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Hey Denotes. Welcome. I'll briefly regurgitate things I've said before; you can't think things into reality. Thinking is the first step of the process and then you have to DO. Get off your ass and do something. You're right. If you create your own day, why would RSE Inc students, who are supposed to...

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Sorry. Sometimes, I read a post or an article and it's just frustrating. It's a maturation process. I get it. People at RSE Inc aren't dumb. They're just under the influence of a mind altering for profit business. So, please accept my apology. You can't tell someone to build an underground because o...

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's all so Fing dumb!! Roy, you were around in 87? I was in my final year of HS and my parents were inundating me with the BS doomsday predictions. It made me anxious, fearful and really unsure what kind of future was going to be around for me. I'm sure yo...

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Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the info. If you're familiar with my story, you know why I'm asking.

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Do the kids at PR go to the tank? Do they take field trips to the ranch? Does Jz go to the school to speak to the kids?

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It was pretty obvious she was insinuating she just did some cocaine or was joking that she just did cocaine. Don't performers use cocaine to get up for gigs? I haven't been to an event since probably 1990 or 91 at the latest. It's surreal to see what JZ has turned into. She used to have a good deliv...

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Is Phoenix Rising affiliated with RSE Inc? I know RSE style teaching goes on there meaning they do bow and arrow target practice, C&E and most likely other RSE related "disciplines".

Does anyone have any inside information on this? Thanks in advance.

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I remember Ramtha bringing up brainwashing saying something close to "What is this washing of brains? How does one wash a brain?" Everyone laughed.

As many of us know, it's difficult if not impossible to have a logical conversation with people like the RSE Inc follower from Ireland.

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The notion of paying $5,000 to go to a dinner with Ramtha is ....sigh.... so dumb. If Ramtha was real and concerned with enlightening students, small group meeting would consist of "masters" requiring additional help. Same goes with the one on one meetings auctioned off on-line. It's just ...

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Has it been determined if the rse inc "contract" is valid and enforceable? After reading it, I can't imagine it will be upheld.

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Updates. How is it going?

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I think Interested is living on a plane of existence I'm very glad to not be a part of. however this is the one area of EMF where we should tolerate pro JZ ramblings. I get it from my family but maybe other EMF members are no longer exposed to it and it can be used as a reminder or yardstick to see ...

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Hey Interested. Welcome. Life, which includes your time at RSE Inc., is a journey. From your post, it's pretty obvious your belief systems are heavily influenced by spirituality and mysticism. Believe what you like and I wish you the best. Here's a bit of advice from a 3rd party with no skin in the ...

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Jingz, thanks for stating the obvious. People still active at RSE Inc really need to take a step back and look at their situations objectively. If you can think something and make it so, then: why can't you control your weight through thought? why haven't you obtained fabulous wealth? why can't you ...

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I forgot about Joe's murder until reading this post. I don't know that I knew Joe Sumrall but was attending RSE Inc around that time. RED FLAGS: Keep in mind Joe was at the ranch with Ramtha prior to going home where he was murdered. I see two possibilities why Ramtha didn't intervene in Joe's murde...

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Jngz, welcome aboard and congratulations on getting your life back. Hopefully, your family member will be able to get back to the land of the living too. I mean even when Rambles doesn't come down, why doesn't she do the field work, or c&e???? Excellent point. I know when I was there it was unde...

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Grandpa, great news! You're closer to getting your family back. AWESOME!

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Welcome. Best of luck on your journey back to sanity and logical thinking. You're going to go through a range of emotions. Sorry you were in for that long. In time, you won't be afraid anymore. You won't have to fear evil orbs, aliens, dark planets, tidal waves, the government or any of the other cr...

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One way of getting hooked that wasn't touched on too much in this thread: Kids being inundated with RSE Inc during their formative years. It makes believing the ridiculous much more palatable. If you approach your average teenager or young person in their twenties and showed them a Ramtha video and ...

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I always have a cloud of worry hanging over me. It's not because I fear the end days or aliens or any of the other crazy BS JZ disseminates. I fear for my family because they believe in RSE Inc hook, line and sinker. JZ is an old woman. She's an egomaniac. What will the end game be? Will she be happ...

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Oh my God. Where to begin? Bettye, you obviously have no idea how crazy you sound to sane people. I did enjoy your Lord of the Rings quote to solidify your argument. Funny. Here's one you can add to your repertoire: "I find your lack of faith disturbing" Darth Vader. "I bind you."...

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Philll, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. The majority, if not all of the people that responded to you, have spent time at RSE. We know what we're talking about. I get the point you make about not letting others impact your life. Ok, you have a goal you aspire to. That's ...

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When I am ready to go back into my old personality I know I will have you guys to rely on. :) Thanks for this milestone on my journey. But I will have to move forward and step on my own landmines because words don't teach, it's only life experience that teaches. Phill, this kind of pisses me off. Y...

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JZ pushing gold has been around since the mid-80s. I know this because my parents cashed in their savings to purchase gold during that time period. We were supposed to have a complete financial meltdown every year since 1985. It was and continues to be a pretty common theme in the conspiracy theory ...

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Sorry naturegirl. You have not offended or injured me in any way and I would never ask any of the moderators to remove a post. My mother inundated the family with mysticism (auras, past lives, premonitions, seals, channeling, spirits, etc etc etc) growing up. Then, the RSE Inc "teachings" ...

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hey naturegirl. I don't mean to offend. After growing up inundated with mysticism, having family in RSE Inc for 20+ years and attending RSE Inc myself, I lost my ability to think logically. It took a long time to regain my critical thinking abilities. Because of this, when someone makes a statement ...

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Hey naturegirl. Thanks for your contribution to EMF and I applaud your decision to leave RSE Inc. However, in my opinion, you still have some delusional lines of thinking. You believe you're an orb or can become an orb? Does this mean you can physically transform from flesh/blood into a ball of ligh...

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I saw Greg Simmons mentioned in another post and remembered the name. I googled him and recognized him from my time at RSE Inc. Check out Q & A with Greg. It's amusing, sad and pathetic all at once. Amazing. It sounds like Dr. Greg is a self proclaimed authority on a variety of RSE Inc topics. J...

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Sad Grandpa, I bet your daughter felt she materialized this money and had every right to it. It's how Ramsters think. Essentially, she stole from her husband and family. I've witnessed it first hand. I bet absolutely zero consideration was given to the company employees that would as a result of her...

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I just did my due diligence and responded to a person's ridiculous post on the end of the world site.

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Thanks for your post Vanilla and thank you EMF moderators and contributors for giving all of us a place to relay our thoughts, feelings and experiences.

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Hey Sad Grandfather. You said your daughter went through a 1/2 mil from selling "his" business. Just curious; was that a typo? If not, who is he? Her X?

P.S. I enjoy reading your contributions and sorry you're losing out on a real relationship with your daughter and grandkids.

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‘Jehovah’ with an army of flesh eating reptilians are on their way with a massive fleet of UFO’s to invade Earth. So best cover your underground bunkers with copper foil to avoid being undetected from the ’raiders from above’. The cringe factor when reading things like this is so overpowering. Ever...

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Wow. That's so sad. RIP Wanda.

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Hey Eddie. Thanks for your post. You had a unique perspective most people at RSE Inc don't get. I'm not telling you what to think but my experience has been, the longer you're away from RSE Inc. the more bizarre the common denominator of RSE Inc. becomes. Check out other channels on youtube. They'll...

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Sadly, if this guy presented at the Ranch, he'd have $25 from both of my parents.

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Learning and practicing the art of dumpster diving holds more potential prospects than doing RSE disciplines. Kensho, that is hilarious and 100% true. During the time I was attending RSE Inc., I maintained a fairly regular disciplines regimen. I want my wasted time back! If you're reading this and ...

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Hey Vanilla and Kensho. Thanks for the kind words. Vanilla, I don't recall the exact particulars of the case but yes, a woman that moved here from another part of the country and went to RSE Inc was murdered in Tenino, WA a few years ago. I believe she was murdered on the walking trail and was wrapp...

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I grew up in a conservative area and was brought up Catholic. Although my Mom is congenial and easy to get along with, she never fit in. She was always looking for something more. The metaphysical and eventually the new age movement were her salvation from the mundane. As a kid (7-12) I remember see...

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I just saw the post. Sorry I missed it. I would like to meet fellow EMF members. It would be therapeutic.

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Why would Ramtha need a translator? Considering JZ/Ramtha claims to be a God, a translator seems kind of silly. JZ/Ramthata should be able to speak every language. In fact, why not telepathically deliver the message? Now that I think about it, why does anyone have to come to you? Since you're everyt...

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I may be behind the times but it seems like the scam of the month is Essential Oils. People I know at RSE Inc. have been talking about it a lot lately.

Anyone have any experience with it? Multi-level marketing?

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Hello All. My original intentions were to make current RSE Inc members aware of the site so they may discover information which could get them back on the road to thinking for themselves. If I had to boil it down even further, I know this sounds cliché but I want to do it for the kids. It saddens me...

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I was actually being serious. Personally, I don't care if JZ knows who I am. Maybe I'm being naive but do you think she'd really identify and seek out her peaceful detractors?

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Have any EMF board members ever considered walking with signs in front of the RSE Inc. entrances before/after events? It could be a good way of making "students" aware of EMF. Stop living in Fear. enlightenmefree.com If it sounds too good to be true, it is. enlightenmefree.com etc, etc, etc.

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Thanks for the reply Rooster. It sounds like we've had a lot of similar experiences. It's so frustrating it's difficult to put into words. When I said I'm haunted in my earlier post, I meant I'm still upset by how naive and gullible I was. I regret relationships I ended and friends I alienated becau...

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Thanks Rooster. That clears up a lot and I'm not surprised it's more ridiculous than I imagined.

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I'm glad I revisited this post. The late 80s was the era when I was a teenager and my parents were force feeding me this crap. To read it now, it seems so ridiculous. At the time, I don't know how but it seemed real and possible. Maybe because the info was being fed to me by people I love and truste...

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Come on? So, NASA was tracking a spaceship and not a comet? This spaceship that can obviously travel faster than light to reach our solar system but slows down and takes on the trajectory of a known comet? Could someone that was at the event fill in the blanks? JZ spews some seriously outrageous stu...

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She has lived off all us and she's taken a lot more than just money.

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NoBS I know we should not have expectations of our partners and One should respect others choices and Free Will You should definitely have expectations. Some of your expectations might be; Our family will live above ground. Our family won't own assault rifles and stockpile 7 years worth of food. We ...

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Hey Grandpa. I've read many of your posts and I'm sorry about your situation. I don't wish any ill will on anyone, even JZ. I don't believe in karma but if there is such a thing, JZ has some unsavory things to look forward to. You're right that once someone is brainwashed it's difficult to reason wi...

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IamGod, I tried that route for 20 years. I've recently done a 180. By not pointing out the ridiculousness and the lack of common sense in my family's RSE Inc beliefs, I've just been enabling them for years. I started pointing this out to them when I heard about the June doomsday scenarios. I actuall...

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This should be a great runner for RSE Inc folks. If you haven't watched the clip above, please do. It's generic but amazing how many similarities there are to RSE Inc.

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Brief and funny take on What the Bleep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4jn9A6M ... ure=relmfu

The natives couldn't see the ships because they have never had the experience. OMG. How could anyone possibly believe that. enjoy the video. It's hilarious.

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Hey JustTruth. Thanks for the thread. I understand what you're saying. Don't kick people when they're fragile and at a HUGE crossroads in thier life as it may turn them away from this excellent resource. In some of my posts, I do come across a bit harsh I suppose. I have a fair amount of animosity b...

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if quality of life is a measure, rse is not doing much for anyone.[/quote] Marie, your above statement is perfect. People that go to RSE Inc, including myself for a time, are looking for something. At first, they get a taste of what they desire but in the end it's negative and in some cases devestat...

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Thanks for the thread. I cringe and am deeply saddened every time I see the time and money my family puts into preparing for impending doom. They've been doing it for 20+ years. I'm exausted by it. I can't imagine how they feel. RSE has been pumping out the fear for so long and all of it nonsense. L...

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I've always had the suicide thought in the back of my head and I've discussed it briefly with my family members still in RSE. They're definitely fanatical and have blinders to reality on but I don't think they'd go that far nor do I think JZ would go that far. I think she likes the money and adorati...

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Hey Dave. It's definitely tongue in cheek. Sorry for the confusion. I have family in RSE and I attended for a short time around 1990. For years I didn't think much about RSE except when a family member would give me a dire prediction that of course wouldn't come to pass. Things have changed. The Jun...

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A group of non-physical entities called Abraham are channeled through Esther Hicks. She's been around since the mid 80s. To attend workshops, it costs around $200 per day. However, some of her workshops are on cruise ships. Nice!! Join a cult and take a cruise. At least for the price of an Assay you...

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I tried the 7 year school argument with my family members that have been involved since the 80s. It's so frustrating. After 7 years, you were supposed to be a Christ. However, you can't do any of the things that were promised. You can't remote view, stop disease, create wealth, etc etc etc. All they...

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