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:oops:Oops. Sorry for duplicate posting. Tree posted first. David, please feel free to delete.

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Trespassing charges against former JZ spokesman dropped Trespassing charges filed against former RSE spokesman James Flick were dismissed without prejudice by the Yelm Municipal Court judge. Posted Nov 21, 2008. E-mail this article to a friend. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News Trespassing charg...

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Actually, Tree, that's a pretty good idea and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets implemented now that you mentioned it. Quick, you should trademark it

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I've been sitting on this question for several months. I'm just putting this out there to see if it is believable to you guys. A good friend of mine is a very close friend to the sister of a former 20-year student and his wife. They left the school a couple of years ago for the same reasons all of u...

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On a personal level, I'm happy for James, and glad he is getting his life back. I know he has been criticized for hooking up with JZR, but who's to say I wouldn't have taken a bite of a similar carrot if it were offered to me. :evil: When he was first caught up in JZR's web, he was a devout student ...

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"all recent students have signed a waiver before attending," Why couldn't former students who have chosen to talk about what really takes place in the compound reply WHEN and IF they get caught simply reply: "FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, I HAVE NEVER SIGNED A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEME...

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Look at what's new: http://jzknight.com About This Site JZ Knight.com is JZ Knight's Official Web Site, Contact Information, and Blog where you can find personal information about JZ Knight, President of JZK, Inc., as well as radio and TV interviews, press releases, media articles, and current news ...

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Just posted my comment on YouTube, and also rated the Mining video. Saw my comment appear. Let's see if it sticks.

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Ramtha teachings now being offered on-line is a sure sign of "the fall of RSE." How totally crass. Foolish me, I really never thought JZ would take it down to this level. Shame on you, JZ. No pride? Getting worried? Maybe a nice scandal that makes the headlines of the National Enquirer or ...

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Wakeup -

Where did you post your comment and the link to this site? I couldn't find it. Does the RSEWebTeam have the tools to delete unfavorable comments?

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Great idea. Count me in

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Yeah, those hand movements, especially in the last third of the video, look like hula dancing or something. Like she's trying to be hypnotic with the hands. What a show!

It's really an embarrassingly offensive performance.

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This video was released today by the RSE Web Team. (I wonder what the significance of the timing of the release is.) I used to pride myself on being able to follow what JZ was saying, believing I was "analogical" with the teachings. Now, try as I may, this video just sounds like gibberish ...

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Covering the Nisqually Valley since 1922 Monday, Nov. 17, 2008 nisquallyvalleynewsonline.com First Report: JZ Knight Issues Press Release Nov 14, 2008 JZ Knight responds to developer claims that RSE sewer is overtapped Yelm, WA. � JZ Knight, renowned channel and founder of Ramtha?s School of Enlight...

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Since JZR is the author of the book from which this info has been extracted, I can't help but wonder at what point did she begin re-writing her life? Perhaps she had already moved to a new "neuronet neighbord" when the book was written.

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Judge out of line in Knight case, says mayor City officials say they aren?t pleased with how JZ Knight?s land use appeal on five area subdivisions was handled in Thurston County Superior Court. Posted Nov 14, 2008. E-mail this article to a friend. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News City officials...

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I clearly remember when JZR (as Ramtha) began talking about penises. The subject wasn't talked about in an educational way, but in a graphic manner. During the early (maybe the first) blue body teaching male partners were told to turn to their partners (male or female) and admit that they masturbate...

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Tree said: "see? that is called "having your staff monitor EMF so we can get some great ideas because those folks are internet savvy and I need to employ those methods". After Tree's post earlier today, the sewer article is now 'back' on google above the sewer article. Imagine RSE com...

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:o I'm so confused :? Now the PR piece is no longer on google above the RSE piece. What's going on here

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ADVERTISEMENT: LOOKING FOR LOVE False prophet seeks new lover to take things up several notches above humble consorts of the past. Must be sophisticated and worldly and willing to sacrifice personal integrity to the sacred teachings of RSE (that were initially promoted as being only for the special ...

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This story is a crock of lies. It is so obviously written by a public relations firm that gets paid to prevent the possible/likely reputation damage of their clients. JZR is such a blatant liar, which should be apparent to anyone who takes the time to actually listen to what she is saying. She is ad...

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Tree -

Great letter. Thanks for writing and submitting it.

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Will someone please tell me how to access NVN Letters to the Editor?

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Tree and David - I can see and understand where both of you are coming from. Remember -- not that you need reminding -- we are processing out (years of) damage resulting from the twisted and deceptive cult we were a part of. As I see it, we're all fortunate to have found each other and to have this ...

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Check out Steve Klein's column at http://Yelm.com (DEAD LINK) regarding this latest NVN article. It's under the heading November 8, 2008.

I've tried unsuccessfully to copy/paste it on this page, but am unable to do so (Perhaps someone else can successfully copy and paste it on this forum.)

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RSE sewer overtapped, say Yelm developers Thurston Highlands developers are taking aim again at JZ Knight, claiming she doesn?t have the sewage capacity to accommodate the thousands of people who attend events at her Ramtha School of Enlightenment. Posted Nov 07, 2008. E-mail this article to a frien...

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Loved the article. Any chance of getting it posted in Masters' Connection

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Xindy - You have so much more going for you than you may think. It takes a special person to expose their inner self as you have done. You come across as very giving, caring and authentic. Because I can identify with many of your emotions, when I read your posts I am able to better reflect upon myse...

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Xindy -

I sent you a PM (private message).

CD

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Tree -

My two cents:

Please know that I really value your postings here on this forum. I sincerely hope that any irritations you experience on EMF from time-to time won't result in your abandoning this forum.

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Truster - [quote]put a label on that coffin "court documents to bankrupt rse archive" and move them to the garage where you keep the trash cans and let the stink permeate it. dont give them away this board may need such a complete collection to stop her, or counter for the takedown. [/quot...

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Xindy - I absolutely DID view the posts by you, SadG and Oldone as being made "in fun." ABSOLUTELY. I know from personal experience that at times I've said things in "jest" that have been taken the wrong way. It's just that anyone looking to discredit this website could take thos...

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I agree with AD60. Even though I believe the "revenge" postings were made in jest, I believe they should not be posted on this forum. As an ex-RSE student, although I was certainly "conned" by JZR, BUT not for one minute do I ever wish for a violent revenge. To a newcomer who rea...

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I have hundreds of RSE tapes stored in a big, long, coffin-shaped box under my bed. I keep waiting for a "signal" from somewhere to tell me what to do with them. I have every tape from every event that I could purchase beginning in 1988. Like you, Truster, I can't quite seem to throw them ...

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Joe- I'm half-way through reading this book, and your review is like a bonus chapter inserted in the middle of the book. Thank you for writing it. There are so many red flags waving about JZR/RSE in The Prophet's Daughter. I'm underlining all of the similar modes of operation between Elizabeth Clare...

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My worst forest experience was my first forest experience. Firstly, I was bundled up and fully clothed/prepared for any type of weather. I even had my rain gear (unbreathing rubber top and bottom) on. Because I was so layered, I was sweating up a storm. I didn't think to bring water with me, being m...

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"How in God's name were you able to suppress your thinking? How long were you involved in RSE and what finally made you leave?" Xindy - I've posted this before on an earlier thread, so I don't wish to bore anyone who has already read of my particular situation. I'll abbreviate my situation...

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Why no mention of "The Forest?"

Different experience than the tank, but certainly a whole new type of abuse

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Xindy: I only speak from my personal experience. There are as many personal experiences at RSE as there are students. RSE's teachings were compatible with and reflected many of the beliefs that I already held at the time I joined. My replies to your questions are based on my interpretations and expe...

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I recall that the name Ramayana is the name that Ramtha said was JZR's name when she was his "daughtern" back in the Lemurian days. Supposedly JZR as Ramayana was a spirited girl who desperately wanted to be a warrior and ride a great steed and fight alongside the male warriors in battle, ...

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G2G - [quote] I would like to believe "enlightenment" is unconditional love, compassion, joy, peace...etc. and NOT "manifesting" $$$.[/quote] Check out this article by Debbie Christie that appears in the Oct. 2008 RSE Int'l. Newsletter, and be sure to note Debbie's last comment r...

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A very disturbing aspect of the RSE teachings is that one must absolutely guard all of their thoughts, as thoughts are the seeds of reality. Have you ever tried not to think of the elephant sitting in front of you in the room? It's impossible. Just as it's impossible not to have certain random thoug...

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Wakeup, it feels like we are paddling boats in the same convoy. Although I officially became a "non-current" student in October 2000 when I chose to miss a mandatory event for the first time in 13 years, it wasn't until June 2008 that I gave myself permission to "take my blinders off&...

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http://www.yelmonline.com/storynews.php?subaction=showfull&id=1224271265&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1 Lawsuit ruling: ?Business as usual? Channeler JZ Knight?s appeal of five area subdivisions came down to a single word. Posted Oct 17, 2008. E-mail this article to a friend. By Megan H...

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There is a comment on Steve Klein's blog today. In this comment, the Court's Decision is repeated, but the poster's (Jillian's) lead comment is just the type of remark that may soon be conveniently deleted from the website. "Jillian said: uh...she lost, dude." Jillian then goes on to repri...

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Aussie Girl - You are absolutely not letting everyone down. I now understand your circumstances a lot more completely. I didn't realize the extent of the logistics to get you there, and I also didn't know it was a three-day event. It's good just to read your communications from all the way "dow...

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Aussie Girl -

I vote for you to attend. You can be a "fly on the wall." Your feedback after attending would be well-received and greatly anticipated.

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"Regarding the eye color...I heard that story when I first started school. I have never seen Ramtha's eye color be anything other than JZ's eye color. Hard to miss when so many teachings are video re-play on big screens. I believe this was something claimed in the early years of the school - I ...

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I'm browsing through older EMF posts and was wondering what "the shoe on the coffee table" was about. Anyone remember?

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Vicky Cady was supposed to have seen Ramtha's sword, Krosham. But according to carbon dating, iron-based products were not around 35,000 years ago. Wonder what the great sword was made of

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I watched the video, The Wave, for the first time yesterday. It blew me away. I had no idea what it was about prior to watching, or that it is based on a true experiment on brainwashing and control that took place in the 1960's in a California high school. I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it yet i...

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This was in today's Nisqually Valley News. Photos and link to video interview, also.

http://www.yelmonline.com/storynews.php ... om=&ucat=1 (DEAD LINK)

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David -

Many thanks to you and Glen for these enlightening videos. WOW

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[quote]there is a waiver upon becoming a staff member that states this[/quote] RED FLAG!!!!! Is everyone on staff just so honored to be on staff that they've tossed out their critical thinking and blindly sign the waiver??? Oh yeah, right -- their critical thinking might lead them into the evil real...

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I came across these links today: one is from 2007, one from Sept. 2008. Interesting reads if you have spare time. http://obadiah1317.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/channel-surfing-with-j-z-knight-and-ramtha-part-two/ (DEAD LINK) http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/make-known-the-unknown/ (DEAD L...

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Webmaster -

Is JZ's sworn testimony public record and therefore available to everyone? Just wondering how you were able to access it as I'd like to read it myself.

As for the perjury, perhaps a local news reporter would be interested in pursuing this. I'm sure it would create a lot of buzz.

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QUOTE: [quote]?We are allowed to have human bodies in the 100-foot buffer,? Flick said.[/quote] This statement gives me the CREEPS. According to the Merriam Webster On-Line Dictionary, a couple of definitions of the word "body (bodies)" are 2. the physical remains of a dead person or anima...

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[quote]?We register people all over the world to use the teachings,? Knight said. ?We license oodles of people.?[/quote] "Oodles of people?" Oodles? Does anyone know of even ONE person who has been registered or licensed to use the teahings? This reminds me, I used to wear jewelry associat...

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RSE: DEVELOPERS' ASSERTIONS "PETTY" Posted 19 Sep 2008. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News Ramtha School of Enlightenment property manager James Flick says allegations about JZ Knight?s water system not being in compliance are petty. ?There?s nothing I really want to rebut,? Flick said....

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KNIGHT PREVAILS IN SUIT AGAINST WEAVER Posted 19 Sep 2008. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News A jury sided with channeler JZ Knight Monday and found Rainier shaman WhiteWind Weaver violated a signed contract. Knight was awarded $10,388 and acknowledgment that Weaver broke the contract. ?It was n...

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Swami - Going back to your original post on this topic about commenting on information taught at RSE. In my experience, I learned a bit about physics and biology at RSE. The information that was taught also just happened to be readily available for purchase at the RSE book store (formerly "bull...

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Aussie Girl -

Right you are.

As I read through a good portion of Wolfman's post, I immediately reverted to a "scary place" in my mind where I felt the stuff said by "insider" begin to reasonate within me.

Your post, Aussie, gave me a reality check. Thank you.

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Wake-up - "disgruntled students who couldn't do the work" It was just this type of comment that used to fuel my fire and determination and kept me returning to events. A comment such as this, or the threat of "being weeded out of the school," challenged my competitiveness and as ...

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Somewhere in the newspaper articles regarding the trial (unable to find it right now) there is the allegation that the term "turn to your neighbor" was illegally used. I've been to many seminars where this technique was used, and this was before my years spent at RSE. If you google Turn to...

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... and let me sincerely add to my prior post, I mean absolutely no disrespect for the loyal students of RSE. They don't know any better and are lost in the big deception.

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[quote]I am sure they have all run to the bank to get out their money like the last time it was suggested by a Mr. Klein aka (dubbed by you-know-who as) "Financier".[/quote] Isn't it just amazing how Ramtha and his posse turn just about every major news story into an opportunity that will ...

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Now that JZR has been named "victor" in the trial, I'm sure that RSE students will run with this "victory" and use it to VALIDATE Ramtha, RSE, and JZ Knight. I fear this trial will be used as a reference point in defense of any past and future allegations made about RSE. In my ex...

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Tahoma Terra claims RSE is overtapping water supply Tahoma Terra developers came out swinging this week with allegations that JZ Knight?s water system is not in compliance and could pose a public health risk. Posted 12 Sep 2008. E-mail this article to a friend. By Megan Hansen Nisqually Valley News ...

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THE BUZZ BLOG SEPTEMBER 11, 2008 THE BUZZ BLOG September 11, 2008 Posted at 12:01 am by Jon Bauer, Herald staff Pigs 'n' politics Pucker up, porker: . . . . Change the channeler: JZ Knight, who claims to channel the 35,000-year-old warrior Ramtha, has sued a woman, saying she took Knight's teachings...

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Quotes: "Fried Twinkies for breakfast!" "The judge in that case wouldn?t let cameras show Knight?s face. But there were no such rules in Thurston County this week. Let?s just say after all the work she?s had done, we?re surprised her 35,000-year-old warrior pal, Ramtha, still recogniz...

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A NEW ARTICLE RE THE TRIAL: (This one is hysterical.) In a humble T-Town kitchen, a legend is born THE NEWS TRIBUNE Published: September 12th, 2008 12:30 AM Gotta love the drama of two New Age spiritualists cat- fighting over good ol?-fashioned market share in court this week. Couldn?t be more enter...

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While I think it's great to encourage children to be creative and imaginative, it concerns me that the CSE children are being tampered with and molded by RSE teachers at such an early, important, critical stage of their young lives. I'm afraid it won't be too long before these innocent children will...

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If you ask me, if one signs a waiver saying "until 25 years after JZ Knight's death"
then she KNOWS she is NOT going to ascend. wth?

Tree -

Do you know for a fact that there is a waiver that is signed, or is it just a supposition that a waiver form exists?

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Would it be inappropriate to have the reporter, Keri Brenner, visit this website? Keri Brenner covers Thurston County for The Olympian. She can be reached at 360-754-5435 Or kbrenner@theolympian.com So funny, the comparison with Pin the Tail on the Donkey? Good thing JZR hasn't taken the blindfolded...

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""""More than any monetary, relationship, loss in family, friends (or loss OF them in most cases), was the damage it has done to the entire belief system. That is, the ability to belief in anyone or anything from any religion, organization, group or even well meaning professional...

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[quote]"But if you quietlly and promise never to speak out, she will pay you well? (um... JO Alt and possibly
JO's father, Mike< come to mind)"[/quote]

Maybe brother Brett Alt would be willing to talk?

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Webmaster- Thanks so much for the explanation. It clarifies a lot of questions I've been having. I absolutely believe that learning about the creation of the White Book is essential to anyone who is sincere in getting to the root of the entire RSE travesty. (Most) students of RSE revere the White Bo...

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G2G - I've been wondering about the validity of her story, as well. What cable companies did she work for? What about the names and various incidents and mentioned in A State of Mind? I think there probably is some truth in her book (her early years) that is woven with fiction, much like the teachin...

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According to the UK-Ramtha website, JZR's jacket went for $7,500.

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"mm mm mm.... That is hysterical!

I can't decide if rse is a documentary, a mockumentary, a sitcom, a soap opera or a silly reality show!"

. . . . or, a Tolkien spinoff.

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[quote]Any human being, I don?t care who they are, cannot help but crush under the burden or begin to compromise. And compromise can be good, but when you have to compromise to compromise on the compromise on the compromise ? where you are trying to balance everything on the head of that pin ? that ...

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Just last night I re-read Joe Szimhart's excellent paper on cults. It occurred to me to print it out and give it to my friend who is fully vested in RSE. Here's the link again (which I accessed through an early EMF post). I think it's a great read for people who are new to the EMF board, or are on t...

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http://www.gtweekly.com/a-e/people/jz-knight?uncut

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http://www.thefamilygroove.com/aug08_MotherNature.htm

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SWAMI says: "A judgement is only when you comment on someone and it has emotionally content which is actually bothering you, if no emotional attachment than it is only an observation." "Ram as I heard was far deeper into personal abservation on the negative attributes than a casual us...

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Reminds me of the time I was buying lunch from Charlie at his "restaurant" at the ranch. I asked him to please withhold something from my order (was it no cheese on my cheesburger?). In any case, good ol' Charlie charged me 50 cents for withholding the cheese, so like a good zombie, I fork...

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I'm not sure that this is the right place for this comment, but it reminds me of how challenged my "critical thinking" has become over the years. In fact, embarrassed to admit it, but I never even contemplated critical thinking until reading this message board. For as long as I can remembe...

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Check out this latest article:

http://www.yelmonline.com/storynews.php ... om=&ucat=1 (DEAD LINK)

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Oh my gosh! What a divine timing for JZ's story to be presented. Shirley MacLaine's book, The Camino, came out in 2000/2001. But Shirley's book's was ". . . the story of a journey . . . the eagerly anticipated and altogether startling culmination of Shirley MacLaine's extraordinary -- and ultim...

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I thought I knew what the El Camino "teaching" was, but apparently I was wrong. Having been a non-current student when it was discussed, can anyone tell me what it was all about? (I thought it had something to do with re-naming Yelm Highway . . . .)

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Marie - I'm on a summer break (ha ha) from a 12-Step program that's been very beneficial in coming to terms with my path and where I am today. Thanks for the reminder. Tree - This board is great. It allows me to process a lot of stuff that no one else out there would be able to relate to. You're for...

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Whatcha -

I must apologize for taking up space on this site with the trivial items than have recently moved into my brain now that 20 years of my life is gradually moving out of my brain, except for the "pearls" gathered throughout the years.

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"Once one gets out from that belief system, there are many other explanations, sometimes there are none." This comment (made by Tree) makes me think of the latest tidbit that has been bugging me lately (other than my anal obsession with my formatting challenges on this EMF website): I have...

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Dang, I hate re-reading my posts and seeing missed typos. I must practice living in the present, and not be so quick to hit the "send" button. :oops: Also, Tree: 1) my formatting is messed up again, but I never give up trying 2) Would like to run a couple of personal RSE-related questions ...

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I have noticed that the past several new members joining EMF are all different names but are are the "73rd" member to join. How/why does the number of members remain at 73? I know, such an irrelevant question . . . .

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"Judith has stated in her own words (and not from some knowledge base) that one of her son's is
indeed the reincarnational lineage of a Rothchild."

And to think that RSE "students" actually believe her and all of her other reincarnation claims. Unbelievable.

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Here is a article on the results of the auction.

http://www.yelmonline.com/storynews.php ... om=&ucat=1

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[quote]Judi's boy was a Rothchild.....Once a Rothchild always a Rothchild. Judi is a Rothchild legacy. The Rothchild legacy is "The Golden Dawn." [/quote] This claim of Judi about her son (?) is news to me, although not surprising. Please clarify -- is this a claim that JZR made at an even...

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Tree Geez - is there no cancel button for messages that I want to abort? And, not to seem arrogant but I'm familiar with edit functions on both a Mac and a PC. But on my laptop Mac there is no mouse to left click on. Below is my stab at using color on a quote. I don't expect you to figure this out f...

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Well, at least the emotion finally worked.

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Tree -

Just checked my posted message and the quote I pasted read [quote] and didn't show the actual quote.

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[quote]

OK, Tree. Thanks for the tips. I hope it works with a Mac.

Also, how do I get the emotions to show. All I get is stuff in brackets.[/quote]

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I was asked a question this week by my therapist when discussing JZR. I mentioned the book, A State of Mind, and asked if she would be interested in reading the book. In reply, she asked me if the book was "fiction" or "non-fiction." It hadn't occurred to me that the book itself ...

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I've been wondering how new members to this website initially learned of EMF. Myself, I slipped in through the back door while doing a google search. When I found this site I was still on-board with RSE, although my status with RSE was inactive. Then I started reading this site and watched the LARSE...

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Tree -

Nope, I didn't attend. I wasn't in California at the time.

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" The trees I am referring to in this article were just standing there dead, gray ? just dead gray."

Sounds to me more like the work of aliens than cell tower emissions.

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Check this out: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_10077301 and her quote: "I wouldn't give up doing the work with Ramtha because people don't believe in me," Knight says, "because on the contrary; millions do." Now it's "millions" of believers who believe in...

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"I am just not into trashing everything and lumping every thing into one big ball of sadistic mindf*&^ garbage. I refuse to be victimized to 20 years of someone else's agenda. I have made my way out. I have some things of wisdom that have come from the experience. I am not going to just tos...

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David - I know the answer to this is probably posted somewhere in the EMF archives, but I haven't seen it yet. Can you tell me how you know "It is a fact that JZR selects who she wants to make it into the "void"...! by having secret doors and panels opened by staff member, without the...

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Check out this link for the next CSE Auction. I can't believe the items that are up for bid.

http://www.yelmonline.com/storynews.php ... om=&ucat=1

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Bye bye, Jacqui . . . . javascript:emoticon(':lol:')

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"In a way, good for Blue Body not tolerating it and walking away. But, why does he stay ??? Only $$$ ?" Perhaps BBody is trapped in a "cult (JZK) within a cult (RSE)." How flattered he must have been in the early phase of his relationship with JZK. Giving up all that he held dear...

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"Ramtha" is always boasting about his power and prowess, which is a put down to all the men in the audience. His boasting about how all women love him, and he's the best lover, etc., etc., . . . ." I'm strictly going from memory here, but I recall JZR saying that he had never actually...

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Why in the world would she want to SM/Trademark "Gladys.??" Who would want to use it or copy it?

"SM" (service mark) designation to alert the public to your claim, regardless of whether you have filed an application with the state or USPTO

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Can anyone tell me what GladysSM is? It's trademarked on the bottom of the Ramtha website's home page.

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"It may just be that the 23rd Universe is known by another term. Some might call it heaven" Whatcha - Actually, I have believed in a place comparable to 23U since I was a child. Then, when I became aware of 23U I named that place which I originally created in childhood the 23rd Universe. W...

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Something that deeply bothers me is coming to terms with and relinquishing the comfort that the 23rd Universe concept gave me. I made my 23U card and focused on it with such passion that it became a real and vital place/destination. You see, in my focus I made my experience of the 23U a haven for al...

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Humbled - Your 2-year old is fortunate to have you in her life to care about her well-being from a rational point of view. Her mom believes she is doing something wonderful for her child by exposing her to RSE at an early age. I know I had wished my son could have attended the events with me. Unfort...

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"Other than maybe that crap about Leonardo da Vinci being a woman," Even that Leonardo da Vinci thing, I've heard the exact same statement said by at least two other sources, but at the moment I don't recall who. When I heard it though, a Red Flag immediately went up, since it was said pri...

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Aussie - The idea that JZR is performing a mere act is what really perplexes me. I have sat in those RSE audiences for hours and hours at a time and over days at a time and never for a second doubted that Ramtha was utilizing Judy's body as his channel. I remember phenomenal teachings that resonated...

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How do you think JZR actually manages to "pull off" the charade of channeling Ramtha? How is she able to ramble on for hours on end in an altered voice. She doesn't use notes and discusses everything she talks about at great length, in detail, with great authority, and never appears to be ...

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Another Dimension, Tree & Ordinary Mind- Great posts. Yes, I'm definitely grateful for the space my family gave me when I made it clear to them that I was in RSE for what I believed was the "long haul." I probably would have moved to Yelm if they continued pressuring me to quit the sch...

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Joe -

I'll have to check my notes to find the exact date but in 1998 during some Truth teachings, JZR tore into Sai Baba and publicly humiliated one of the students who personally had encounters with Sai Baba.

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Oldone - Thanks for your reply. I felt foolish for posting such a trivial question. I've only realized that RSE is an actual cult within the past month. I'm still reeling with that knowledge. I can't believe how easily I became enchanted with RSE, since I am rebellious by nature. There are several p...

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David, thanks for your reply. My mistake -- not Black Sea Water, but Dead Sea Water. But the Dead Sea Water was back in 1997-98-99. It sounds like Sea-11 is something relatively new. I checked out the comments by Raoul that you suggested, and it is horrifying to me that I "blindly" went al...

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Is the Sea-11 water the same water as the Black Sea water craze we went through in the 1990's? Does anyone remember what the Black Sea water was all about?

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You mentioned you have a story to share about this event. What's your story???

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[color=#][color=darkblue][i]This is a continuation from a thread I just read in the "Power" category in the Old EMF site (2/6/07): ''I remember one time looking into the eyes of "Ramtha" and got the distinct feeling I was looking through the windows into an empty house.. Nobody[/...

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I'm pretty new to this site and have been spending a lot of time reading this and the old EMF site. Many memories of my days at RSE are coming up for me. At the risk of asking what might be construed as a "gossipy" question, I'll ask it anyway: Does anyone remember or know "CIA Ron.&q...

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Perhaps if you were to pretend to align yourself with your mother's beliefs in RSE (only for the purpose of discussing your concerns) she would be more open to what you have to say. When my husband wanted me to leave RSE (13 years before I actually left), he verbally attacked Ramtha, and RSE, and th...

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I missed the event back in 1998(?) where the Wingmakers teaching was revealed. I attended the next event a couple of weeks later and the Wingmakers art was covering the walls in the arena. I kept waiting to see if a teaching or reference to the Wingmakers would be made but JZR never mentioned discus...

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Tree - As you may have guessed, I'm new to this website. I stumbled upon it when my friend told me that James Flick was in a major poker tournament last year (?), and having been acquainted with James, I Googled his name to read about his poker status. His name on Google brought me to this website. ...

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Lost - My apologies for not including you in my last message - I didn't notice your reply to my posting. Fortunately, I don't consider my entire RSE experience a waste of time. I got out when I promised myself I would, and that was when I cared more about seeing my friends at events than about the t...

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Aussie & Tree Thanks for your replies. Aussie Girl, I hope what I've written helps you understand, and Tree, it's good to feel heard and understood. Thank you both. I left because I was burned out and mentally overloaded with the teachings. I had taken voluminous notes over the years and was no ...

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JZR on a number of occasions has repeatedly said throughout the teachings how difficult it would be to be a member of RSE and to have a relationship with someone in "social consciousness." She said that for the most part, not to attempt it. "They will not understand what you know.&quo...

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After spending many hours reading the original and the current EMF message boards, last night I watched (for the first time in 5 or 6 years this "rockumentary." What an eye-opener it was for me to view this so many years after I dropped out of the school. My observations: 1) Ramtha physici...

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I'm new to EMF, but was an active student from 1988 to/thru 2000. I'm disappointed at the way the teachings are now being "marketed." When I joined, Ramtha told us we were the special group who were with him on the march, back when he ascended from the mountain. I recall he said he made a ...

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