17 HOUR EVENT

[Justtruth]

Because they did NOT release part 2 of this streaming as they promised, edited at no extra charge

I would really love to hear more of the second half

can anyone confirm the heard Ramtha say to father, '' forgive , I am just a woman, I am just a woman''

Vanilla, has done a great job of telling us alot, would love to hear more

It is a real wake up call

THANK YOU

[Vanilla]

Part 2 was crazy. Nuts. I sat there like oh my god do I really want to hear the adventures of bikinied JZ and Ladystar on their 20 grand a day yacht. How good they looked. And what they ate. For four hours.

Also give your kids twinkies ( everyone laughs) NO, I am being serious. ( Laughter)


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You know I do know people who taped it. I did. A few. There is a program they pay for you can record anything streaming. But I dont want to sit thru it. I dont want to ask for it. I am barely talking to these people. I cannot confirm.
I did hear a muffled confession. Father please forgive me for I know not what I do. or was it For what I am about to do, its all fuzzy.

But I did hear Ramthe mess up, in giving his speech about all the terrible things that will happen to us he did say BY THE END OF APRIL, twice, when before it was from then until June 15th.

Its funny for the end of the world, Ramsters are throwing parties and having BBQs not quite what I though people would do when the end is near. I do not think alot of Ramsters deep down think anything is going to happen. I think with all this end of world May 21 fiasco they are looking at themselves and their own religion.

I am still mad for believing all the crap I was taught. Its a major scam going on in that school. Everybody should get their money back. They didnt get what was promised. Noone has. Not one christ. Not one lotto winner _pick 4 doesnt count- and gambling at the casino has in no way been better than gamblers. And people come out drunks for life and poor, believing they are somehow evolved because they dont think several times a day.

[ex]

[quote] believing they are somehow evolved because they dont think several times a day.[/quote]
that makes my day. thanks for the laugh.

[Vanilla]

...they dont think as much as they can, because the mind is bad, the mind is ego, the monkey..any doubt is because your ego is jealous of what it would do to survive if you really became a god! ( by not thinking)..basically you are inferior to what you CAN BECOME by staring at a mirror all day.

You stare at the sky pretending to see blue grids...grids you pretend you see, implanting your symbols inside them. They are the fabric of reality, kind of like TRON.. An hour each day. If you do this for hours, then real reality will open up and you will see beings in other worlds. Not this UNREAL un reality we live in. No, thats for mere mortals.

[Ockham]

Thanks Vanilla for the update on the content of the famous 17 hour event. The Twinkie remarks make me laugh. Obviously, even the hard core ramsters think she/he's making a joke about eating Twinkies to live forever - can't believe that either Knight or the Ramtha character is nutty enough to think that's really true.

I'm sure that if RSE thought that people would watch the second-half mess, they'd have it up there on their video web site for viewing at a purchase price of $50 or $200. Of course, ramsters would watch at any price. I can picture Klein and Simmons sitting in an office looking at a TV monitor showing their videographer's best editing effort - saying, "Oh my gosh, if we put this baloney on line, the emperor's clothes will be off!" "Burn the tape!"

[Justtruth]

I cannot believe there has not been more posts on this topic

I think Vanilla mentioned Simmons was trying to get Ramtha off the stage

How bizarre the ''mere humans '' are the ones editing '' a more enlightened

Being and have to worry about Ramtha's behavior

Ramtha has complained about what the media has done to RSE, but the 17 hour event

And the free event with all the F.... Y..... and a........... calling is absolute fuel for the media

Once it is taped , there can be no denial

Between those events, the predictions that were coming June 15th, then on hold, then one

More $ 200.00 event warning about the comet which I heard from a student that Ramtha

Was informed by father regarding this, why would he need father's knowledge???????

I cannot stand to hear anymore, plus the fact I just got a new roomate and I was thinking

At first, how could I watch a streaming and make sure he did not see Ram's crazy behavior,

That was a great wakeup call, I should not have to edit a master teacher. I am glad the event

Happened because it made me really want to let go and take the reins back completely in my life.

Editing a master teacher who is drunk is no different than not wanting your friends to see your alcoholic parent, which I all ready lived through.

Can you imagine if Dr Emotto put water beside Ram when he is cursing and drunk, what it would record??????????? I don't think it would be snowflakes. A friend of mine that is still current said it would not be the same because Ram is a God.
I know to hear it effects me.


I cannot believe the You Tube is still up from that night.

[Marie]

Ockham -- regarding the Twinkies... The irony is that even though ramsters will SAY they "know" jz was joking or they "know" it's not true, despite that, I have found a huge box of Twinkies in my mother's cupboard, when she otherwise never ate them. It is that paradoxical, nonlogical cult behavior. They "know" and believe in life after this one yet they are scrambling to build undergrounds to avoid the days to come and practice exhausting daily disciplines so that they will live forever. They "know" Twinkies don't preserve you, but they eat them anyway hoping it is true. They see the plastic surgery and drunken behavior displayed by jz but she is still channeling a god anyway. Hooey.

[Ockham]

Good evening,

Thank you JT. I heard some of that, "comet," video stream while a friend was watching it. I was there for part of the talk about the comet C2010 X1 Elenin baloney. It started out with what seemed to be Knight as Ramtha talking and then she handed it over to Ledwith to finish up. It was particularly laughable because they were using a tracking tool on a NASA JPL web site to illustrate the comet's path. It was showing right on the video screen in the arena that the close encounter with Elenin is more that 20,000,000 miles between the comet and Earth. Since when did RSE trust the US government as a source of teaching? What the heck does Ledwith know about astrophysics, and why does he have to teach Ramtha about it?

I think, "Ramtha," was claiming the comet contains dark matter. Indeed, there is presumed to be dark matter in our universe, and its presence can be detected because it has gravitational pull on regular matter. If Elenin did contain dark matter, it would have already sent the outer planets zooming out of their orbits. Leonid Elenin who discovered the comet has a video model on his web site that illustrates what would have happened if the comet were massive. Anybody with a modest telescope can see that nothing unusual has happened to the outer planets.

Ledwith claimed that the New Zealand and Japan quakes resulted from planets and the comet lining up, and more disaster would be on the way as the comet lined up with other planets. Well, if you rotate the JPL tracking tool in the third dimension, you can easily see they aren't in a line. This is the biggest batch of pseudo science quackery I've seen in a while.


Also, thank you Marie. You really hit the nail on the head about the cognitive dissonance of cult members having to believe to contradictory things at the same time: Twinkies are a joke - must buy Twinkies to live forever. When I die, I get to go to the Plane of Bliss - I want to live on Earth forever, must build an underground shelter. I can just picture that case of Twinkies in the survival kit.

[ex]

[quote]Ledwith claimed that the New Zealand and Japan quakes resulted from planets and the comet lining up, and more disaster would be on the way as the comet lined up with other planets. Well, if you rotate the JPL tracking tool in the third dimension, you can easily see they aren't in a line. [/quote]
dumwith is a flatlander not mastering the 3ed dimension? quite ironicly that a catolic messes in the realms of galileo.

[Ockham]

Well said, ex!

[Justtruth]

I have heard Ramtha say that Nasa is ''disinformation''

During a talk about how alot of inventions are suppressed

So why use the source for information now??????????

[Ockham]

Yeah, Justtruth. Indeed, why are the feds suddenly a good well of information about the fateful comet? Wouldn't they just falsify the information like they have for supposedly everything else so they can prevent pandemonium while the they gray men escape in their spaceship arcs?

Several years ago a friend lent me a CD with a Ramtha session and it was about the government supposedly holding back on all the extra terrestrial technology they somehow manage to have. It was so nutty, it was hard to listen through to the end. In the first place, it doesn't make any sense - why would gray men or whomever so desperately want all of us to be stuck buying oil when they could be selling us alien flux capacitors that let us have personal hover craft? They could probably sell cool toys like personal over craft for zillions more they mere oil. I suppose the gray men don't want us to see all their cards at once (weak attempt at a joke). Second, since when did the government get so good at keeping secrets? The treasury department can't even keep its list of economic indicators secret long enough to have an official press release. I don't think the feds could keep a lid on sexy extra terrestrial technology. Some scientist would be just dying to blab about it to his/her colleagues.

[ex]

http://hamburgeruniverse.com/artic/Comet_Elenin.html
hey here you go all scientifically founded.1 2 3 a earthquake there will be 5 6 7 you go to heaven. 8 9 10 you r one.11 12 13 you have never been.14 15 16 you are in............

[Ockham]

Ledwith gets around, but it seems always riding on the coat tails of, "Ramtha." I think I'd hold Ledwith's astrophysics in about the same regard as his epistempology.

This is a recent appearance:

http://www.questers.ca/events.html

Reexamining The Origins of Man
with Jeffery Armstrong, Michael Cremo, Miceal Ledwith
Fri evening 4 March and all day Sat 5 March
Delta Vancouver Airport Hotel 3500 Cessna Dr Richmond, BC

Jeffery Armstrong Michael Cremo Miceal Ledwith
... with three brilliant and controversial scholars
A New World Renaissance of Thought Exploring Ancient Wisdom,
Forbidden Archeology, Divine Origins, Modern Science
Exciting and out of the box!

Michael Cremo

Internationally acclaimed speaker, best selling author and groundbreaking research pioneer. Hailed as a lead authority on archeological anomalies relating to human origins and antiquity.

http://www.mcremo.com/

Jeffrey Armstrong

As a global thinker, inspirational speaker, philosopher and author, Jeffrey has spent the last 40 years deeply immersed in the Vedic knowledge of the East. He also has degrees in History & Comparative Religion, Psychology and Literature. Founder of VASA - Vedic Academy of Science & Arts.

http://www.jeffreyarmstrong.com/

Dr. Micael Ledwith, L.Ph., L.D., D.D., LL.D (h.c)

International speaker, author and former Catholic priest and Professor of Theology. Adviser to Pope John Paul for 17 years. Member of Ramtha™s School of Enlightenment. Featured on What the Bleep do We Know and Down the Rabbit Hole.

http://hamburgeruniverse.com/

And his abstract of what Ledwith was preseenting at the talk:
http://hamburgeruniverse.com/artic/Orig ... Today.html

I'll bet John Paul would have backed that paper 100% This conference looks more like a resume building exercise than a serious conference. It has almost no Google presence.

[ex]

at the end of the earthquake-elenin tables there is a helpless try to get ramthas 15. june back in the game.

[Ockham]

Ledwith's tables of numbers relating the comet, Earth and whatever make about as much sense as calculating the last time the New Zealand Napier City Rovers scored a point in football as predicition of whether or not Russia would win the gold medal playing hockey at the next winter Olympic games.

What Ledwith doesn't mention anywhere is how much force is applied on the Earth as a result of his mumbo jumbo comet. By my pathetic calculations, when the comet is closest to the Earth, that could be a few billion Newtons (formula f=G(m1)(m2)/r^2). (Sounds scary becuase a billion is a big number.) However, the mass of the Earth is on the order of 1 with 54 zeros trailing kilograms, so the resulting acceleration from the force applied by the comet's gravity is virtually zero (foumula f=ma). It is darn hard to get that much mass moving!

I wonder what is so special about the distance of 1.829 AU that you noticed, ex, that Ledwith has as the last line in his table? It doesn't seem to relate to any cool astronomical or geophysical number I know. Well June 10 was a few days ago, so I guess there wasn't much special about that number.

I also see on his hamburger universe web home page that he has 2012 crossed out and 2013 penned in. I guess Ledwith is beng disingenuous about somethng.

[WofthesunEofthemoon]

Homer Simpson: "Hamburgers....mmmmmm"

[freemysoul]

1.829 AU is 1.829 Astronomical units or 273,614,742 Kilometers. I have a hard time accepting any numbers, or scientific data from someone who swears by JZ Knight's ignorance, so I am willing to bet they are just numbers he has plugged into an equation that JZ read in Scientific Weekly recently.

[ex]

he puts the eathquakes occuring and the distance between elenin and the earth in a table. plus dept and strength. he not even shows for instant: elenin closing in= earthquakes stronger. earthquakes are random.ramtha cant see the future or predict them. you could count the no of trucks moving down a5 put it on a table with elenin and proof what? the ramsters buy more food so the earthquake activity rises? that's how scientific this is for me.

[Ockham]

Funny thing is that I thought Ramtha causes earthquakes. Every time JZ Knioght has Ramtha talk about earthquake destruction an earthquake happens somewhere. Bad Ramtha! Stop that, go to your room. No gruel for you tonight!