The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar

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The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar

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This post is mostly for my brothers and sisters out there who love the story "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar". It isn't intended as a 'debate thread'. It is a F***-yah thread. You see..... in my 'contemplations' I have gone over many many many times all the 'why' we practice our work with the cards. Remember friends, it isn't the work of "RSE". It is our own. And I did hear once this saying....that sais something along the lines of "nothing is worth expressing that can't be expressed simply". And in my contemplation I came up with this: We do the cards to make sure we are not 'delusional'. If you like that, than it may become your own "why". :)
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Hi Mindstate,

The RSE Henry Sugar story came after my time in RSE.
a quick Google search reveals.... a fictional/autobiographical book written by Roald Dahl.
I will research more...till then...
Can anyone explain to me something of why JZ-R used Roald Dahl's work?
it looks to me that JZ-R had weaved a fictional story into her 'Emperor's New Clothes'.. :roll:

David

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The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar and Six More - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonder ... d_Six_More
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Hi David,

I'm confused, I am pretty sure I posted this in the "general chit-chat' topic. The reason why? It does not belong to RSE. It is not an RSE TM discipline. It is free-game topic for chit chat.

I can talk for hours about the cards and how it relates to RSE. I don't want to because it would take too much of my time.

In the Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar...the main character 'Henry Sugar' trains himself to 'focus' on the back of common playing cards. Through repetition of focus practice, he develops like a 'sixth sense' to be able to 'see' the number and suit appear on the back of the card. Only he sees it appear. No one else could see it. In his focus work....he developed this 'phanomina' in his brain that when he looked at the back of a playing card....the information of the face of the card....appeard to him on the back of the card. He trained so hard and for a consistent period of time until he could read the card in 4 seconds flat. After three years that it took to do that....he noticed he was not the same Henry Sugar he was before he started his work. He also went on to make a lot of money at the casino...and stuff and stuff.

As far as RSE......the book was presented sometime in 2002 or 2003 I believe (before I was a student)......Assy 3 progressive I think.....Kenney Thompson was there.....from what I heard.....he comes back sometime later to demonstrate to the school that he can read a whole deck of playing cards. He demenstrats this on stage. This unfolds a very unique watermark in the history of RSE. For the first time someone can demenstrate a remarkable ability 'consistently'..........years go by....many students, including myself, where inspired by Kenny and took up this work and made it our 'own work'.......years go by.......stuff happens.....then 2009 came and so did a 100 monkeys pretending to be Henry Sugar......years go by....and life goes on.....and stuff!

Where are we at? The abilities described in the short story "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar" are open to the world. That discipline is a universal discpline that belongs to no one particular person in the way that TM disciplines are concerned at RSE....like other TM disciplines. No more than 'candle focus'! That's the story brother! :)
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What this means as far as 'disciplines' are concerned.........anyone in the world can practice the cards just as described in the Henry Sugar story....deminstrate it to the world........and with book in hand, say "I learned this by reading the book 'The wonderful Story of Henry Sugar'. There is no particular cause to 'attribute' such an ability to RSE unless they had an interest in promoting RSE. I sure as hell wouldn't attribute my work of the cards to RSE if the opportunity presented it's self! Even though my work with the cards is completely private! I would never be a tool to sell that cult! I developed my work all at home by the way!!!!
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So if you ever hear me referencing 'the cards' in these forums.....I am referencing it in the context of a 'discipline' in general. Sort of like when one talks about doing any kind of 'meditation' exorcise. I prefer that 'no instance' that I reference 'the cards' that my threads be linked to RSE threads. I wanted this to be 'general chit-chat' for a reason! Ramtha, JZ or RSE did not write The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar. And can not take one part of credit for what I do at home with a pack of playing cards. We shouldn't associate that discipline with other RSE disciplines! Even if Kenny was first to demonstrate at RSE. Even then, what Kenny was doing belongs to himself. He only showed something of what anyone can do. RSE tries to take as much credit as they can for that discipline. But they have nothing real to take credit for. The only thing they can take credit for is that many people also happened to cheat the discipline on stage. Yes many on stage in front of many many people they cheated. Many also....have something real going on with it. Not that anyone must 'prove' to anyone that it is real! It is enough to just say that they are in 'meditation' no? For it isn't causing anyone to hit people with their car trying to cross a street. In the contrary, it is causing people to 'love'.
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I'm confused, I am pretty sure I posted this in the "general chit-chat' topic. The reason why? It does not belong to RSE. It is not an RSE TM discipline. It is free-game topic for chit chat.
Hi MindState,

Thank you for clarifying.
Yes.... you did post your subject 'The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar' in our chitchat forum > and I did move it to this forum. As a moderator I provide this service very often, sometimes I notify the poster, other-times not. Its my call and very necessary to keep EMF navigable and helpful for everyone. Sometimes I make a bad call, :oops: but I do my best.
The Henry Sugar card practice at RSE 'Trade Mark or not'...I believe to be an important EMF subject that deserves more than a 'free-game chitchat exchange even though you wish it so.
As a moderator.... would you have me sanction a poster (or remove their post) if they shared an insightful and serious response? of course not. I am sure that moving your post over does not discourage a chitchat response either.
But I understand your point ..The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar card practice is not an RSE TM discipline and belongs to anyone to freely share and practice..enlightenment or not.. :idea:
I believe strongly that most RSE members during that time were cleverly deceived by 'Kenny of the Cards' while acting as an RSE stage shill prop..The ground already prepared for seeding by JZK-R into grooming the audience into 'believing' in the discipline as something enlightening and exclusive to R$E.. :roll:
I hope you understand that even though an EMF topic may be intended for a lighter chitchat exchange....
Some may provide a key to unlock a much greater debate and understanding of our RSE ensnarement and a path to healing.
Re.. Derren Brown.... he can demonstrate card tricks and seemingly miraculous ESP powers without the dishonesty, greed and egos staged at RSE. :sad:
And what of 'RSE's first Master of the Cards now? > Anyone?

David

Related:

Derren Brown - Messiah - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3izBQfh5M

Stephen Fry Amazed By Card Trick - Trick of the Mind - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5-NDiY7IM

Influencing A Choice - How To Beat The Casino - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McS17KKcm64

(EMF) Online Forum • View topic - Many new Masters of Cards?
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1053
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Hi David,

Thanks for this clarification! I understand better now. And this is indeed a very important topic. It's no light subject! I don't like RSE any more than you do. When I read the description of this forum...I was repelled by all the names of RSE disciplines....all the trademarking. I don't even like to think about RSE. However, as one of my old mentors taught me, "we have our 'head' and '2 hands'. One hand for helping ourselves and another hand for helping others". I use my other hand for helping others escape the trap of RSE and heal the pain. :)

As far as Kenny. I can't comment about him much as I have not much to say. And I can't confirm your statements about him acting as a 'shill'. However, I will not deny it either.

When I was at RSE and everything I saw there......I believe everyone working there are shills. If they are not paid by RSE....they're working there way in the 'in-circles' and finding employment with RSE. There are many people like this who you see stories about for a lot of 'petty' things 'attributed to RSE'. Whatever! My hands are clean from that cult and I'm doing ok without it! :)
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One more thing David, and I wonder if we should have a thread just about 'shills'....or the 'hype about lotto wins and casinos'...

But

As a former ramster, avid student of the great work, 'student of the world', and observer....I can very much confirm that when you talk about 'shills' at RSE, it is very true. I've observed students celebrated for winning at the casino.....I've observed those same students 'gambling' like a true-gambler would in the casino.....and I've been in audiences at RSE and watched these same students silently shuffled to the back door to join in Ramtha's 'smoke circles'. Or the group that meets with Ramtha before he comes into the arena. I've seen nothing at that cult that isn't consistent with what you have been talking about when it comes to 'shills'. These things I believe are 'independent' of the issue of whether or not Ramtha is a real being being channeled by Judy. Fact is, it's a powerful and destructive cult. And I will describe my views in more detail in the thread "RSE is a double edged sword" later (if anyone likes).
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Hi MindState,

I appreciate your candid and honest posts and willingness to understand > WTF RSE < and to help shine a Light into the dark abyss of RSE. It takes enormous courage and 'critical thinking to do so...
I remember as a wee boy being too frightened to look under my bed at night.
less the monster would get me I would hide and suffocate under my blankets until sleep recued me...
I finally reached a crisis point (around 10 years old) I couldn't stand sleeping with the nighttime monsters!
I remember turning the light on and shone my torch under the bed..and there is was..a lost marble and a moonscape sea of dust :D
Here's the thing... Their are monsters in this beautiful world..
the challenge is to see through their camouflage and flush them out...before they eat the children...!!!
One more thing David, and I wonder if we should have a thread just about 'shills'....or the 'hype about lotto wins and casinos'...
Sure...I will start a thread ASAP..
It should prove to be an 'enlightening' topic... :idea:

David
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Yah.....we are going to 'flush some sh8 out' for sure! Just before I found these forums, I wrote on a piece of paper that I am going to root out what troubles me all these years about RSE and be done with it. For things like this are 'too much on my mind'. It gets in the way for me. And I am going to own it right here for others to see. And that is what I am doing.
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David , I remember Henry sugar. It was before I left RSE. IT had to do with the mirror and candle focus. Then came the cards. It actually dated back to the color sheets. We would have colored paper held over our heads. The idea that our fingers had receptors for sight. We could see colors from our cells in the fingers. That was in the book, 'The life of Henry sugar' . It was a fictional story of a man that learned to read cards, through the receptors of his fingers. I may still have the book. Not sue I may have gotten rid of it. I would give you the date. It definitely is was lead to the gambling. It was a bad thing to gamble before. We did colors and the mirror work. I left and the cards became popular. Then it was gambling. They actually took them on buses from the school. I was not there for any of that. Just know the story.
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