Doomsday & doomsday cults

The RSE teachings The Days To Come "TDTC" would have us believe that the world is going down the tubes with all sorts of doom & gloom.
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Article on "doomsday & doomsday cults".

JZ zeroxed from some of these doomsayers.

http://www.skepdic.com/doomsday.html
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Hello everyone
I was reading this article ,about the Mayan and 2012.
It look like no one seam to have taken the time to asked THEM about all of this

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9B8P09G0

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Judith/RSE is totally promoting the so called Mayan 2012 doomsday scenario,
"Move to Yelm and build your underground bunkers before its too late....
"Ramtha" will protect you and your loved ones"..:sad:
The only thing that is predictable is Judith's disgusting and shameful method of fear mongering to control her followers
and to keep her Ramtha show on the road.... -$$$$$$-
But this is how a CULT leaders such as JZ Knight operate within our society, no surprise there.

Excellent article, Thanks for posting that Oldone.
I posted it here in full.

David.

2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

By MARK STEVENSON (AP) ? 4 days ago

MEXICO CITY ? Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades ? the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However ? shades of Indiana Jones ? erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 ? including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity ? a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

The Associated Press: 2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9B8P09G0
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Hello Oldone, thanks for the excellent article.

Quote from article: While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

The above is great advice. At RSE events last year and the year before, a few teachers recommended that we borrow as much as possible from the banks to build the underground as the banking system is most likely to collapse as predicted by Ramtha. Hence, we may not need to pay back the banks. This is in contradiction to Ramtha?s teachings on ?impeccability?.

JZ seems to be using FEAR to control students that rely on God Ramtha for advice on their survival in ?the days to come?. Keep the $$$ rolling?
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The rise of apocalypticism
What on earth is the world is coming to?



Montreal Gazette

By AL KRATINA, Freelance

February 19, 2011


The world is coming to an end.

Depending on how closely you paid attention in science class, the above statement could either refer to entropy on a massive time scale or a belief that the Mayans predict a galactic stroke in 2012. To Concordia professor Lorenzo DiTommaso, the latter assertion is troubling in its popularity.

DiTommaso studies apocalypticism past and present at Concordia's Department of Religion. He's written and lectured extensively on the subject, and his latest work, The Architecture of Apocalypticism, is set to be published by Oxford University Press. To DiTommaso, apocalypticism is not simply the belief that the world will end. "It's not chaos; it's not destruction or anything like that," he explains. "Rather, apocalypticism is a world view that expresses a radical way of understanding time, space, and human destiny."

According to DiTommaso, apocalypticism is a unique collection of four beliefs. To adherents, we live in a world of strictly defined right and wrong. A transcendent reality exists beyond our own, and the world is so damaged or corrupt that it must be swept away. Finally, once the SyFy channel movie about tidal waves or rogue planets is over, a new creation will come into being.

Although this belief is most commonly found in the Abrahamic traditions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, DiTommaso says that apocalypticism has gone global over the past century, spreading like a really pessimistic virus. "Apocalypticism has been transformed into a global, multicultural, trans-border phenomenon," he explains. "Its very nature allows it to thrive in all sorts of ecologies, religious or otherwise."

Currently, says DiTommaso, we're in an upswing of apocalypticism, both in traditional forms and in new hybrid varieties. "Beyond the biblical aspect, it's gained a secular aspect as well ... in music, in videos, in role-playing games, in graphic novels, in fiction," he says, citing The Matrix, the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion, and books such as Cormac McCarthy's The Road as examples.

DiTommaso also describes the 2012 phenomenon, which posits that the ancient Mayans predicted the end of the world by running out of calendar pages, as indicative of the apocalypticism's modern strain.

"You have a fusion of the apocalyptic world view," says DiTommaso, "standard biblical notions of time, space, and human existence ... attached to completely non-biblical timetable." DiTommaso attributes part of this new blend -which also mixes in New Age beliefs and bad astronomy -to the Internet, which has given the 2012 phenomenon the same level of ubiquity as 9/11 conspiracy theories and pictures of cats.

Which is not a good thing. "Apocalypticism is unhealthy," says DiTommaso, "It's a toxic way of dealing with these problems." A key issue is apocalypticism's sharply defined dualities. "It's a simplistic response to complex problems. Either good or evil, nothing in between," says DiTommaso. "(That's) not a productive way of looking at the world ... You can imagine a view of a good and evil leading to views that say, 'You're either with us or against us.'"

Perhaps worse, apocalypticism sees civilization's decline -be it on moral, ethical, environmental or economic levels -as unfixable. "The resurgence of apocalypticism ... is indicative (of a belief) that our problems are so great that they are impossible to solve by ourselves," says DiTommaso. Believing the Earth will be destroyed, he explains, isn't much motivation to ensure the soil isn't full of industrial tailings.

"The argument goes, the problems with the environment are really irrelevant," says DiTommaso, "because the whole problem's going to be swept away on whatever date you want."



http://www.montrealgazette.com/rise+apo ... story.html
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When I first found out, by myself, that Ram was BS...I was so happy.

I mean, it opened up the future to me. One where none of that horrible stuff was going to happen. I dont know why more students see the beauty is letting this go. The freedom, that ones future is not going to be so terrible.

I read that article on the top, Thank you. It helped me.

How could I have joined a doomsday cult? I thought I was smarter than that.
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You are not alone Vanilla - most of us here have been there. I have a University degree. And a fairly impressive IQ, if that's the sort of thing that rocks your boat. Didn't stop me from spending time and money in JZ's clutches. I can tell you right now there is absolutely no point in beating yourself up about this. You are wiser now. Many will never achieve this step which you and I have taken, because that takes the strength to admit that sometimes we make mistakes. Those who can admit such a thing will learn from them. Those who cannot will be forever closed to the knowledge that the rest of the world sees as plain and clear!

Be kind to yourself :)

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RIGHT! Be HAPPY! You have finally reached ENLIGTENMENT! You now know that ramtha is a figment of Judy Knight's imagination, which she turned into a multi-million dollar SCAM!
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I still have hopes that MY family members will reach that level of enlightenment, soon.
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Thanks guys. I am free. I am. Its nice. WHEW

Now what do I now?

I am in Yelm with a beautiful child with another student?

We shall see.

I am just going to focus on reading fiction again. Being a mother, working hard instead of blowing and wishing.
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